why does cheap china made junk always have pic related (allen bolts) ?
does it save them a penny or something? they always come with a shitty allen key too, it cant be about saving money if they have to include that
why does cheap china made junk always have pic related (allen bolts) ? does it save them a penny or something?
why don't you haven koken allen sockets with grip ring homosexual,stop being poor an support 3 year investor living in Massachusetts that is cry baby lib.
i have capri ones but this thread isnt about how i dont have them, just wondering why EVERYTHING has god forsaken allens
Cheap and easier in assembly machines than allens/hex/torx (the ball end bit will just slide in and fasten even if the angle or alignment are off).
They are superior to ph*lips and fl*thead.
>They are superior to ph*lips and fl*thead.
sure until the allen key or the bolt head round off. then you are fricked.
>sure until the allen key or the bolt head round off. then you are fricked.
Doesnt happen. Its a deep and robust pocket and allen key is hardened steel
Idiot detected. Consumer trash with shallow depths and soft material is not like aircraft barrel nuts etc which are deep enough for reliable engagement (though idiots can strip anything) and use quality materials. I avoid any socket head screw with those small hexes.
Shitty cheap hex-heads are still going to be better than shitty cheap phillips heads.
At least Phillips come in rational standard whole number sizes. I have to go through several standard and metric allen bits to even find the one that's going to do the job. Then it's a safe bet 90% are going to work and 10% are going to strip.
Robertson and Torx or bust.
Self inflicted, abandoon the imperial system
> guy has a time machine
There’s probably over a trillion imperial fasteners out there so we’ll need them for a while yet.
Only reason why the US now needs metric shit is because they don’t make anything anymore.
Back in the day, I tried to take apart my ford escape and everything was metric because it was really a re-branded mazda tribune.
>I have to go through several standard and metric allen bits
No you don't, it comes with the tool.
>Phillips
>10% are going to strip
Unironically, skill issue. And what are you even on about when Phillips has fewer bit sizes than the rest so its easier to select the correct one?
>until the allen key or the bolt head round off. then you are fricked.
Flat/slot heads are garbage that nobody should ever use, and phillips screw heads are far more likely to get stripped out than an allen screw. If you're making something that is to be assembled by the consumer and you want to make the chances of the consumer fricking it up as low as you can, I don't think there's really any better option than hex heads. And if you're making so that the assembler doesn't need to have their own tools, it costs a lot less to include an allen key with it than it would cost to include a screwdriver.
?
Are you moronic?
They could make an "allen key" with a phillips head just as easily as a normal allen key
>They could make an "allen key" with a phillips head just as easily as a normal allen key
No, they can't. Like they literally can't make it "just as easily". The allen key is just an extrusion that's been cut to length and bent. Making it so it has a phillips head on one end requires at least one additional step in the process. And additional steps equals additional cost.
The tolerance is also greater, meaning you can get away with worse screws or use screws that will weather more.
Meanwhile a flat has some severe stripping risks, and Philips even more so.
Not all hex keys are the same boyo, you were probably using SAR on a metric bolt.
nothing uses flat head anymore, they are dinosaur tier
phillips is shit but still better than allen
hex >>>>>>>> everything else
Flat head screws are used a shit load in industrial applications because you can easily clean the gunk out of them
Most of those have shitty allen heads and strip onece they get 5 ft lbs of torque on them because they're made from the lowest tier of pot zinc they can find.
Sure, but they'd be even more apt to strip out if they were phillips. The problem you're talking about is not a result of the type of fastener, but what they're made out of.
dese goofy ass nighas really be saying allens are bad because they strip but then they go and say it should be phillips heads instead
>complains about the one thing the chinks get right
Is almost as if you want to stick with inferior Philips bolts, homie. Or maybe... SLOT bolts?
This isn’t that hard. Stop relying on the little keys that come with shit and get a quality set of folding keys. That way since you can’t tell what kind of fastener you’re using you can check Metric against standard till you find the best fit.
I’ll say this tho, pretty much all flat pack furniture ever needs is a 4MM or a 5MM, but sometimes you need a 3MM or 6MM.
i never in my post implied that it was hard or needed tools for it
work on your reading comprehension
Well, get good then, chief.
Not OP but you are still being a moron. Read more better
Take a pill, gramps
>it cant be about saving money if they have to include that
Of course it is. If you have to include a tool in the box, a cheap allen key is cheaper to include than a screwdriver. So they use allen screws because the tool is cheaper.
They can either sell a product that includes everything in one box, including any required tools, or they can sell one that requires outside tools to assemble.
I don't know if it's just a customer satisfaction thing, or if there's a financial/tax implication when selling a product that requires outside tools to assemble versus "everything included."
you wouldnt have to include a tool for regular phillips
who doesnt have a #2 screwdriver
seriously
>who doesnt have a #2 screwdriver
neets who buy their furniture from ikea and walmart and amazon
The vast majority of """people"""
t. ex-hardware store employee
I was at a friends house. He had a loose sink. I asked him why he didn't fix it. Said he didn't have a wrench. Okay, fair enough. I flip his light switch in the kitchen, the plate is loose and missing a screw. I ask him why? Say's he doesn't own any tools at all. Shit blew my mind.
These days i just assume everyone i interact with on a daily basis is a complete fumbling moron that can barely wipe their own ass. Leads to a lot less disappointment in my life.
I work at a hardware store and the absolute cluelessness that many people are afflicted with is astounding. A woman came in looking for a ~3" piece of threaded rod and when I suggested she buy a bolt and cut the head off instead of buying the whole 36" piece of threaded rod she looked at me like I had spoken in a foreign language. She didn't know what a hacksaw was, much less what to do with one.
Big box or mom and pop?
Urban or rural?
I do facility maintenance in the big city and have to make home depot runs in said big city. I've basically given up on asking the workers to find anything or even give me suggestions if they don't have what I need.
i think the conversation might have been metaphorical
>Say's he doesn't own any tools at all
you will own nothing and be happy is apparently a life goal for worthless zoomers
To provide idiots with the tool to assemble cheaply and to deter stools with the tools from stripping shit out by over tightening
you have to push a pozidrive down as you screw it in so it doesn't cam
a hex head screw will pull itself into the hole
zero cost to save fricked up returns from idiots
>buy aftermarket car part
>uses these instead of normal fricking hex head bolts
>follow the torque spec the manufacturer supplied with the part
>it fricking strips
Oh I was fuming. And it was something stupid low like 13 ft-lbf
Happened to me with a "genuine" Ford OEM part.
Remember most Fords use Torx Plus, not Torx.
The difference will strip fasteners, especially shallow ones like their button head bead bolts (which I remove, slather with Jet Lube anti-seize then reinstall so when the fuel pump shits the bed x years down the road it's easy to unbolt and block up the bed to do a pump swap. I anti-seize all my truck bed bolts, all brands, when I get a used truck because dropping fuel tanks sucks.
Because TORX® is copyrighted by Textron fastening systems™
and the chinese are so well known for their stringent adherence to copyright and patent law
what if there was a regular bolt with hex head but it had a depressed section which could also insert an allen key
It would be a pain to loosen with the Allen key if it was fastened with the hex head
First thing you do when you buy a part is throw away the included fasteners. There are exceptions but even reputable brands ship their parts with the absolute cheapest fasteners they can get and don’t give warranty on them either
I would agree to this but then I wondered why even ikea ships Allen keys like
where the head is clearly machined on
These are so terrible to use, get a set ball end long hex keys from Swisstools and torx screwdrivers from wiha er whatever. Should you ever encounter a torx bolt that cannot be accessed with a straight screwdriver then throw the entire part out because that’s just moronic
Lol tell KTM
Folding sets might be occasionally annoying to use, but they never lose a key like an L wrench set, and they sure pack neat and tight for mobile work unlike a T handle set. They’re the best to have on hand in the truck when you don’t know what to expect.
I keep 'em in my riding jackets too.
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The GOAT is the Bondhus 12550 which is Metric on one side and Freedom on the other.
>Swisstools
>buying the gay rainbow flag for 70 bucks like a gay.
>where the head is clearly machined on
There is absolutely no way they stuck that in a mill and machined 6 flat sides on it. I guarantee the end of that that was just stuck in a die and crimped into shape. Perhaps after a while of operation they discovered it was more cost efficient to make allen key "blanks" and crimp die the ends to the size allen key they needed. It would allow them to create multiple sized allen keys from the same extrusion, rather than having to do separate extrusions for each size.
>where the head is clearly machined on
LOL moron who replies to every post is a clueless idiot. BIG SURPRISE THERE.
that's not a bolt
Allen wrenches are cheap to include, are made to increase leverage and are less likely to strip than other equally cheap bits
Your mistake is using those shitty allen keys that come with the product
Your mistake is tightening the screw with the ball end of the allen key like in your pic. That's how you frick up the heads.
If you could apply any real torque you'd wreck the fiberboard the shitty chink furniture is made out of. They'd rather have the fastener fail first.
>why yes, i do use JIS screwdrivers
they have access to the best potmetal alloys. aka zinc.
>does it save them a penny or something?
its cheaper because it's self-centering- which means they can include less hardware compared to the usual bolt with washer. You can also assemble it easier with a small allen tool included instead of the usual hex head. Your first mistake is purchasing shit tier potmetal Chinese garbage and convincing yourself what you bought wasn't a complete waste of money. Stop making your enemies wealthier.
There once was a bathroom escutcheon set screw I droppedinto the twilight zone of some house's floor. The original was made with such fouled up tooling it didn't match anything metric or US units. I know theres some overlap but somehow it just hit that sweet spot.