Why do so many people, especially Canadians, insist that guns are unnecessary when hiking in bear country and you should only need bear spray? Should I not bother to go hiking with my 10mm Glock?
Why do so many people, especially Canadians, insist that guns are unnecessary when hiking in bear country and you should only need bear spray?
I will never understand why people decide to go hiking or enter the woods without a fully functional CIWS mount
Well a gun will help but may not drop the bear as you intend. Bear spray makes them frick off which is much more important than wounding them after they have wounded the absolute frick out of you
>especially Canadians, insist that guns are unnecessary when hiking in bear country
Depending on what you mean by "bear country" (like are we talking grizzlies or black?), a mixture of cope/justification and maybe not entirely unreasonable risk assessment. The objective fact is that bear attacks are, compared to the number of people who go hiking, rare. And unavoidable ones even rarer, lots come from people being morons and having food in their tents and shit like that. Defensive implements cost weight and plenty would rather spend that on something else. But
>and you should only need bear spray
This is just dumb. If you're going to carry something at all it should be a gun. Saying "bear spray is enough" is pure cope for people who do judge bears a threat but can't afford, aren't allowed, or otherwise won't get a gun.
lol
I live in suburban Vancouver and there are black bears in my yard almost every day. You can usually tell those guys to frick off and they'll oblige. I don't frick with grizzly bears ever. They don't live near me and I want to keep it that way... If I was traveling into their territory, I'd have my shotgun since I'm not fricking moronic. We also have cougars in the neighborhood and one was shot outside my house by conservation officers. In general, I'd love to be able to concealed carry a suitably capable handgun so I can take the trails with more confidence, but the law gets in the way. Bear spray can de-escalate a situation or make it much worse, so no... I do not carry it. I do keep my knife on me though.
Knew Bob Nichols and understand the value of a decent full tang knife. Granted, knife fighting a grizzly bear is less than ideal.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1995/oct/24/hunter-kills-grizzly-with-his-knife/
>do keep my knife on me though
I hope you run into a grizzly with your knife you larper
I won't, because like I said... I'd bring my shotgun. My knife on the other hand gets no sideways glances when I'm walking around my local suburban trails. You're a moronic homosexual though, with no reading comprehension.
No, this thread is full of morons.
>you
>the anon that thinks 9mm is enough
>the /misc/ queer
I hope you all encounter a bear with your selected weapons, it would do wonders for the gene pool.
I encounter bears almost every day, Anon.
It doesn't count if you pick up shit at the local zoo
Anon, I literally posted a picture of a bear in my neighbors driveway.
I really hope one day the law of the land is crippled for a day. You onion boys won't have a chance and I'll finally get my board back after 10 years.
>I live in suburban Vancouver and there are black bears in my yard almost every day.
I'm in rural NE and I have them regularly as well, though
>You can usually tell those guys to frick off and they'll oblige.
If they don't though watch out. Black bears can become problem bears, particularly when flatlander morons fricking FEED them because "they're so cute" etc, they lose their fear, and then there is a real problem and they need to be put down. Not that I think anyone here would ever be likely to try "playing dead" with a bear but side note, doesn't work on black bears, they eat dead stuff. Gotta fight.
The other risk if you're hiking is if you accidentally get between a mother and her cubs. Obviously THAT is very bad news. If you back away promptly and leave you may be fine but it's serious. I'd feel bad about having to shoot her in that scenario though. Last time it happened I was able to back right the hell away and go back up the trail and it was fine, but I sure as heck drew.
I had this problem a couple of weeks ago. Fat c**t dragged my green garbage down the street and got flippant with me when I told him to knock it off.
Full tang>fixed blades every time
I meant folders
Butterfly knife > Tanto > Switch blade >>>>>>>> any other kind of knife
t. someone who while you were partying and having premartial sex, was studying the blade
Doesn't hurt to carry both
Can't stand the American tanto blade profile, had a DeWalt folder with a tanto and it was just useless for cutting, got in the way, would snag up & was hard to sharpen.
I was referring to the superior traditional nippon tanto!
I lived in Grizzly Country, I was honestly more concerned about mountain lions than bears.
mountain lions are easy. just wear those hats or glasses with eyes on the back and they won't attempt to ambush you
Those c**ts will stalk you for miles and you won't be able to track them easy...
also you can always just get rail mounted bear spray
>Be me
>Former Canadian forest Ranger
>routinely carried a shotgun in my truck when working extended periods in remote areas
>have to pull it 4-5 times in the course of duty
>primarily for animals threatening my coworkers. Never had to fire, through have used it to hunt often in my own time
Ok so
>know this trapper
>old kook lives in the bush, doesn’t hurt anyone
>survives on trapping, cutting firewood and gold panning in the summer
>lives in a little shack he made himself on a tiny piece of land adjacent to vast stretch of crown land boreal forest in which he has legal trap lines
>let’s call him Pierre
>Pierre (illegally) carries a 1911 in .45ACP
>one day while in the Bush Pierre gets jumped by a grizzly
>ends up putting not one but two full mags of John Brownings Finest 45 into Yogi
>ends up fairly fricked up himself (see Leonardo Dicaprio in the Revenant)
>drags himself back to civilization and is rushed to hospital half dead
>~~*RCMP*~~ get word of the circumstances and charge him out the butthole with whatever they can make stick
>heals fine but life is otherwise totally ruined because he saved his own life with an illegal appliance
>to this day owes tens of thousands in fines, had all his guns taken away and loses his trapping licence.
Cont.
2/2
>also know another guy
>former logger turned fire camp supervisor
>has one of the rarer than hens teeth ATC (authorization to carry) licences - almost unheard of in Canada
>how you ask?
>while out scouting for logging work in the Bush he was attacked by a wild horse
>yes. A horse.
>survived, went home and complained to his boss about wanting to carry
>boss miraculously endorses his application for licence, and he gets it
>what does he choose to carry, as one of the <2000 people in Canada privileged to do so?
>a fricking 6-shot, 22LR revolver, so he can shoot at squirrels whenever he wants to.
Our Canadian firearm laws are fricking up beyond all measure. In no small part because of the current drive by the Loxist, ~~*Globohomo*~~ to disarm the Canadian people before we start hanging their Shabbos, adrenochrome addicted, infiltrated “politicians” from lampposts.
>~~*Globohomo*~~
Wow read all of that, seemed reasonable then saw this and realized ur just a /misc/ shill taking a break or something. Frick off back there aye?
Why don't you instead? You fricking homosexual redditor homo
More buzz words! Tell me that I will never be a woman!
Frick off homosexual newbie
Shouldn't you be spamming nato propaganda in a ukarine thread? I don't think mr. bernstein appreciates you goofing off during work.
vatnigs so that themselves,besides it's fun to watch your impotent rage turn into
a 14 year olds passive aggression.
This is bullshit. Work related ATC’s have a minimum caliber requirement. You’d know that if you were not full of shit. He just probably carries a restricted firearm illegally in the bush, like a ton of people do.
All the more reason WEXIT needs to happen.
I hate the country I had the misfortune of being born in.
Something like this just happened recently too in your gloriously cucked nation
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hiker-shoots-injures-bear-jasper-1.6545399
That's crazy that he got injured despite 2 mags full of .45s, makes me reconsider carrying a 9 in grizzly country.
>guy who never trained with his weapon failed to use it effectively
Nothing crazy about it.
You've trained while getting mauled by a bear?
>That's crazy that he got injured despite 2 mags full of .45s, makes me reconsider carrying a 9 in grizzly country.
You can, and people have, put down grizzlies with one shot of 22lr anon. Obviously that's very much not optimal either (that was by an absolute expert poacher) but the point is shot placement definitely matters. A few dozen rounds of 357mag in a bear's ass isn't going to do much more then really piss it off in the short term, yes it may well die painfully thereafter but it won't save you. Need to shoot it in the CNS for an instadrop, or a heart shot is almost as good, or at more distance lungs because bears have small lung capacity.
9mm is absolutely fine, as is 45 or pretty much anything else north of 22lr (not recommended out of a pistol not merely because of power but rim fire reliability issues). But if you're in bear country please please spend 3 minutes studying a diagram of bear vitals. They aren't the same as deer (or people obviously). You need to shoot in roughly the right ways, like if it's almost on top of you mouth open shoot it in the roof of the mouth so you go up to brain, farther out aim to hit heart/lungs, etc.
And keep in mind if it's rushing towards you and almost there before you reach for the gun because you didn't react fast enough that's a lot of momentum. If you shoot its lungs/heart at that point it's still going to be able to hurt you in the 15-45 seconds it might have after that. Being able to survive is victory there.
Though if you're in a shit country that will frick you afterwards like that poor guy that really sucks. Still better then dying though.
What would have happened if he was carrying bear spray instead of a 1911? Would the bear have stopped it's attack?
for animals threatening my coworkers. Never had to fire,
Are you telling me animals instinctively know the threat that a pointed gun means for their wellbeing?
Anon the animals were threatening his coworkers, he wasn't threatening the animals with the gun.
I think he means he fired warning shots but not at the animals? If not, that sounds like some bullshit cuz animals have no idea wtf a gun is, but most know what a person is.
What exactly do you think animals are
what do you mean?
Natural selection, anon. Guns have been around for 500 some odd years. Animals that feared the gun lived and passed on their genes. Animals that didn't fear the gun didn't.
Only city dwellers. There are still Canadians (surprisingly) that value firearms and their ownership of them.
>how DARE you tell me i don't have to carry a rifle, plate carrier, helmet and all my surplus when going hiking!
y-you don't?
Manlet
>unloaded rifles
cringe
that stuff is great for my burritos I always have a can in the house
Less margin for user error: bad shot placement will massively degrade the usefulness of a gun, poor aim with bear spray isn't going to make a significant difference.
Gun is by far the better choice if you know what you're doing and practice enough, but that's like 1% of gungays.
If you shoot at a bear with anything less than 7.62x54r then you deserve what happens next.
>Why do so many people, especially Canadians, insist that guns are unnecessary when hiking in bear country and you should only need bear spray?
Statistically bear spray is more effective at stopping an attack. Worst thing you can do is shoot a bear that's attacking you and only wound it. A bear's sense of smell is like 10000x more sensitive than a humans and bear spray completely fricks them up.
If you want to carry a gun, that's your choice, but you might as well carry bear spray as well since a can is pretty light. Plenty of bear encounters are just like this and are not really worth killing the bear over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlBUlXYCjUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGGIIsXd35U
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No, we don't have the story linked yet about the old b***h who sprayed a bear and then it came back a couple of hours later and violently and horrifically ripped her to shreds.
You guys aren't up on the latest bear lore (which is weird, because we have this argument weekly)
((Sad when the spectator is more up on this than the participants))
Okay, get back to it!
>sprayed a bear and then it came back a couple of hours later and violently and horrifically ripped her to shreds.
At that point it's an act of God. Your probably as likely to be struck dead by a meteor than have a bear come back for revenge.
I imagine it may have been starving, like late winter/early spring, either just woke up from hibernation or failed to get enough food in the fall/summer and hungry af. I can't imagine anything except a desperate bear coming back around to attack something that hurt it.
Bears are tempermantal homosexuals
>muh heckin teddy bearinos
I like bears and all and bear spraw is effective but if a bear is attacking you either fricked up severely or it's comfortable with attacking humans and should be put down anyways just carry something big enough to stop it when you have to
You don't understand how cucked caligays are. I've straight up heard them say your dog/prostitute mother should die to a bear before it dies to a bullet.
>I like bears and all and bear spraw is effective but if a bear is attacking you either fricked up severely or it's comfortable with attacking humans and should be put down anyways just carry something big enough to stop it when you have to
This, though I'd add to the latter that it may also just be sick, once in a long terrifying while bears to get rabies or other diseases. That doesn't change your conclusion though, at that point the ethical thing to do is to give the poor guy a mercy kill, shit like rabies is a BAD way to go.
But normal, wild bears do not go after people, they run and hide from people. People are dangerous, and predators in the actual wild cannot afford the risk of damage, there isn't any vet to fix them up. That used to be the case for humans too, there was a reason for the old joke
>What do you call the guy who dies 3 days after a knife fight?
>The winner.
Before the miracles of germ theory and vaccines and antibiotics people died from infections we brush off now all the time. Prey attacking back is a real threat, it's why predators in nature often harry the prey, go for sick/weak, why cats throw around even mice before eating, it's to make sure they're well and truly dead/stunned.
If a bear ignores that it's because humans have fricked up or it's a problem bear or sick. To the former, don't frick up. To the latter, have to shoot it. Spraying it isn't going to change its learned behavior.
>not really worth killing the bear
It's an animal. It's "worth" exactly whatever worth I, a human, God's chosen custodian over Earth, decide to give it.
Because they're gay pacifists who think animal life has some inherent special value. You are actually improving the selective fitness of the species overall very slightly by killing any animal that attacks you.
ITT people who think they can draw faster than a grizzly and drop it with some measly .45 ACP
Grizzlies are known for their lightning-fast draws.
No, but they are known for their lighting fast charges
lol this, if you aren't already brandishing your 44 mag wienered, you're going to die to greasy big ounce grizz
Because they mean you harm and want you to die and get hurt. Its a passive aggressive way of getting the competition killed.
It's sour grapes. There has not been a recorded instance of .44 magnum failing to deter a bear attack.
There is no recorded instance of .32 ACP failing to deter a bear attack
One has a significant data set.
Most of the time it is all you need, the same is true for self defense. You carry a gun for the off chance that it’s not enough.
Canadian city dwellers are moronic and think their limited "hiking" experience in Jasper or Banff once a year counts towards actual validity in their opinions.
>Should I not bother to go hiking with my 10mm Glock?
Are you moronic??? I have to hike through bushes and you just walk then the bushes rustle and something runs away and you can see the bush tops shake in the distance. I only hope it's a brown bear and not "something else".
cringe
>points gun at rainbow and tampon
but what did he mean?
based
cringe
Unrelated to thread but since your here, story time
>dumb birb season opens
>drifting down logging roads to scare birbs with kid who likes to shoot birbs
>stop at 4wheeler trail that goes through a bunch of spruce trees down in a valley
>hike down, spooky quiet, no squirrels or chikadees. Hair on back of neck, bad vibes, being watched etc
>kids freaked out
>we hike the 3mi loop through the creepy valley, just before the climb out there's a creek with typical 6ft grass
>kid keeps commenting on lack of game
>I make a loud woop, wake up 3 bears near the creek and get a woop back from about a mile up the valley
>kid proceeds to crap his pants with all the bears moving around
>we hike out, catch some birbs at the other end of the trail
It was fun. Going back to do some wood knocks with a big dowel in a few days. Kid was really pissed that I made him carry the 5.56. Worth
>especially Canadians, insist that guns are unnecessary
Unironic sour grapes
>I don't NEED a handgun
>no this has nothing to do with the fact I can't legally get one I just don't NEED one
>so many people
Might want to double check some of those "people" with that opinion
After watching how effective they are on Alone, i don't see an issue. Don't get me wrong I'll still carry while out hiking, but bear spray as a first resort isn't really controversial.
Those people are urbanite homosexuals who vote liberal and idea of outdoor trekking consists of taking transit to the base of Grouse Mountain so they can vape shatter at the summit and snap a picture for their IG.
I hate those kinds of people, then again I don’t consider myself a Canadian, I am a Western Canadian, I hate Canada and all that it has come to represent.
When I am innawoods up in Canada, usually on crown land I carry either an SKS, an 870 loaded with a mixture of shells with a slug being the first up or an antique cap & ball revolver.
bear spray is ok unless it's windy, bullets are the only real answer
there is no reason to have any bear spray which is a chemical weapon and war crime against fellow mammals let alone something as dangerous a gun. bears are friendly creatures by nature who just want to be left alone or given a nice scratch behind the ears, try just given one a granola bar and you'll have a good friend!
Smoking weed has made you paranoid.
Bears have a natural aversion to getting skunked. They dont necessarily have an instinct that someone is pointing a gun at them. But a sudden hiss and weird smell, plus burning sensation? They know that one
>in bear country
don't you mean homosexual country
Why care what people think? I open carry on my hikes because it's the fricking woods. Only had 2 basedjacks ever complain
Because ~~*CANADIANS*~~ and ~~*CANADA*~~ are a bunch of zogged homosexuals, and the ones whining about people who carry guns in the bush exclusively spend their time on ~~*HIKING TRAILS*~~ and never had a real frick off encounter with a c**t bear or moose in the ACTUAL BUSH not some pansy ass hiking trail thousands of people use every day.
Cope related to the fact they can’t own regular pepper spray against other people
Because their entire identity in life consists of willfully trying to be not-American, despite it being the best place on planet Earth. They hate us ‘cause they ain’t us, and of course gun culture is seen as a hallmark of Burger-ism.