Why didn't they just have the bayonets fixed at all times? What if they got charged by horses or savages when they were firing in lines?
Why didn't they just have the bayonets fixed at all times?
Why didn't they just have the bayonets fixed at all times? What if they got charged by horses or savages when they were firing in lines?
It's hard to muzzle load with a bayonet fixed
What was the excuse for Boer war and WW1 soldiers?
Because then they had guns with magazins instead of single shot muzzle loaders you homosexual
He probably meant why they didn't use fixed bayonets, you illiterate moron
what about the entire time they used the martini henry?
I think the bayonets frick up poi, even though the n1mkIII was specifically designed for that not to happen and that is why the bayonet lug isn't the barrel
thats a VERY small smle, is it getting fed often enough?
Heavy and long
and thus breech loaders were developed
actually yes! An interesting fact of the ferguson rifle is that its overall length was significantly shorter than that of a brown bess. However, they still needed to have a similar length with a bayonet for parade and presumably legitimate bayonet fighting purposes. The result was a comically large 30" (with socket) sword bayonet that was just a few inches shorter than the actual length of the barrel. It also projects from the bottom so I cant imagine loading with it on from the muzzle but thankfully I dont have to do that 🙂
There is actually evidence that there was a confirmed kill with this moronic thing at Paoli, but otherwise since the ferguson was for point target and skirmishing, if you had to use the bayonet, something has gone terribly wrong
Sword bayonets are all that is right and beautiful with this world, and they deserve better than how you're painting them there.
i absolutely love mine and its extremely super sexy, but actually having run around with it, 30" is a little excessive on the tiny fergussy, especially when kneeling or running through brush. My BB bayonet is a lot more comfortable and that is generally what LI used with shoulder carriages
I hear what you're saying, and those are completely valid points, but at the end of the day the man with a sword-bayonet beats the man with the mini-bayonetlet. Every. Single. Time.
but its literally the same length when you attach the stabby bit to each respective gun, you will poke each other at the same time. But yeah for sure, you can slice and dice with the sword as well
light infantry was a relatively new concept at the time adapted from rangers and skirmishers from F&I war a few years prior. Instead of being more or less rigid and tight formations of average soldiers controlled by officers, light inf was looser and more organically flowing formations picked from higher skilled and intelligent soldiers. They would be further spread out, use cover, engage point targets. Grenadiers were just normal line infantry but also picked from higher skilled and stronger/bigger individuals. They didnt really use grenades because those were pretty dangerous and realistically youre not getting into grenade throwing range when you can just bayonet charge. Also cool hats
OPs pic has a LI guy from the earlier part of the war (pre 1777). After that they transitioned to using trousers and most groups also had their bayonets carriages and frogs go from horizontal waist belts to cross shoulder straps like a cartridge box
>its literally the same length when you attach the stabby bit to each respective gun
Yes, but you're overlooking the psychological effect of 'my bayonet's bigger than yours'.
so light infantry were the skirmishers and the grenadiers were just the elite line troops?
...pretty much, theres a lot more to it but basically yeah thats the gist of it
Yeah anon covered it well. Grenadiers of olde, IE 1600s or maybe 1500s, used actual grenades. It's believed that their mitres were so as to make it easier to sling your musket behind your back/over the shoulder than a broader hat. Had to be a wide large lad to throw a grenade far, and to be courageous enough to throw it when in bayonet range, so it was big stronk guys. Grenade disappeared but the esprit de corps remained. Think about how we still had air cavalry long after we ceased using horses, or how I think the last paradrop of the 101st or 82nd was in 2003 but they still maintain that air about them as it gives a tradition and ethos of superior training and courage.
Something similar happened with dragoons, who had begun as mounted infantry but became more and more just 'cheaper cavalry than cuirassers'.
that was the 173rd who jumped in 2003. The 82 only jumped in 1989 in panama, and I think prior to that the last time the 82nd jumped was market garden during WWII. The 101st jumped in Korea, but have been helicopter based since vietnam
Grenadiers were line infantry plus. They were expected to handle ... let's just say 'temperamental' early hand grenades without hesitation or fear, and to charge into the smoke and slaughter after the frags had gone off maybe 20ft in front of them.
>tl;dr - Grenadiers were hardcore, and got the fanciest uniforms for a reason.
7YW uniforms were the absolute peak of aesthetics, i'll prob pick one up for funsies
Either that or the Wars of the Spanish Succession.
>i'll prob pick one up for funsies
More power to you, post pics for extra fun points and free internets.
Forgot the pic
I just finished up the ferguson corps one I posted a few posts above, and im already about 5k in outstanding orders for 18th century uniforms for the rest of the year lol. The lacework and mitres on the 1750s warrants are out of this world. You larp too?
I prefer to call my LARPing 'historical re-enactment' and pretend that it has an educational aspect .... .but yes. My period's a little earlier than this - mostly Norman era stuff, but it's fun to teach the kids and dads who come to the shows about actual history rather than the meme tier shite that gets pushed in the schools.
haha of course, I prefer "living history" if its to normies as well. That's neat tho, love to see fellow autists
It's a fun way to meet up with friends, and a good prelude to a drinking session. By now the pub next to our training ground has gotten used to the lunatics who come in every Saturday sweating under their chain mail, and it's all just good fun.
thanks
>shoulder carriages
what?
what is the difference between the light infantry and the grenadiers?
I've always been curious, did people ever use long bladed bayonets as slashing polearms along the lines of a glaive?
I actually don't know the bayonet drill well enough to answer, and certainly not that of the ferguson bayonet, but probably not (intentionally). Most bayonet drills even to this day are stabbing vs slashing, and most of that is because you have several layers of sufficiently thick wool and leather strapping helping against slashes. Can it work? Probably, but not as good as making holes in people either remotely or in person
>also you can stitch up bayonet wounds, they were triangular for rigidity
Imagine the safety briefs
This post is dedicated to the brave first people warriors of america and their struggle against the eternal goblin.
Makes it harder to load, makes it heavier, makes it way easier to accidentally stab your comrade when you're trying to do something else
It’s inconvenient to have a bayonet on a muzzle loader. Especially one as long as a spear. Especially in basically any environment
You either had to do it at all times or not, because it would frick with how it shot and how your sights were set. Also, adds weight to the gun which doesn't help with fatigue/placement.
Since they all just lined up and took shots at each other 99.99% of the time, it didn't make sense to keep them on. Which is probably why it made perfect sense for the Russians to keep them on all the time.
Why would you want it on all the time? It doesn't take that long to attach, by the time you see the enemy coming you can just fix bayonets then
oh shit I know this guy irl lol
Da fuq
my hobby is larping as a redcoat
Based
Anon forgets it's a muzzle loader the thread
Probably because the barrel on a brown bess is already hilariously long. And another 18" of stabby on the end is a huge pain in the ass.
>Be a British soldier in the revolutionary war
>Sneak into Jorge shultzheimerbergsteins camp armed with some nades ready to cause mass destruction
>Sneak up to Jorge's tent
>*Muffled feminine moans*
>Pull the tent open
>He's being fingered by a french grenadier
>What on earth.jpg
>Horror
>Hands shaking stomach churching
>He almost pukes
>The french guy looks over "HEY YOU COME HERE"
>run
that is some serious loser cope. Isn't the bong navy famous for fricking little boys?
I mean being on a ship for years at a time would give a man an insatiable hunger the man would put his dick into anything that moved... look at abo mixes but lets not forget jorge shultzheimerbetostein was a land man he never set foot on water, nobody really knows where his hunger for french men came from but the one thing we do know is that his thirst for french cum was unquenchable
He was a Germ, it's hardly surprising.
Pirates were well known for same sex relationships as well as marriages
Is this where the term taking Spanish booty comes from ?