Why didn't the paddle mag release ever catch on? It is physically impossible to accidentally drop the magazine while holding the gun normally, and it's still quick to reload unlike the heel mag release. It is objectively the best type of mag catch/release system for a handgun, and it has fizzled out. Why? It took only ten years for the entire handgun industry to offer optics-ready slides, but in 40 years or so, the paddle could never gain any widespread appeal even though it costs nothing more than a button release. Why must it be this way?
My thumb is too short to reach it >_<
i was told to use a middle finger to release the mag, worked fine when i was fricking around with a usp
just use your middle finger or pull it with your off hand when you bring up your magazine like with heel releases
sometimes the mag paddle jammed a little so i would press down with both the middle finger and thumb
This. I was already used to using a heel release, so when I got a USP I would basically just pull the magazine out in a similar manner.
I use my point finger, others say middle. Wither way works well.
Objectively worse. I don't want to retain mags, I want to reload quickly so I can shoot.
>I don't want to retain mags, I want to reload quickly so I can shoot
The vast majority of people who CC do not carry spare mags. For those people, heel releases are objectively better, as they are virtually impossible to malfunction.
>Objectively worse. I don't want to retain mags, I want to reload quickly so I can shoot.
>his pistol doesn't use $200 magazines that you want to retain
Fricking poorgays kek
>It is objectively the best type of mag catch/release system for a handgun
just because its your favorite doesnt mean its the best
What downside does it have aside from the shooter needing to practice for an hour to get proficient with it? And another advantage that Kiddie-Hands Kyle here
reminded me of is that the paddle is superior for duty weapons because you don't have to worry about people with small hands not being able to reach the button with their thumb without breaking their grip. You're not supposed to use your thumb with the paddle, you use your middle finger or trigger finger, so anyone from the tiniest Mexican girl to the largest Blackmaniac can pick up the same gun and drop the mag in the same way. Also, if you use your middle finger, you can keep a pretty tight hold on the gun still. The paddle is wonderful and you should try it sometime.
>It is objectively the best type of mag catch/release system for a handgun, and it has fizzled out. Why?
>objectively
Lol
>in 40 years or so, the paddle could never gain any widespread appeal even though it costs nothing more than a button release.
Because it's worse than a button release and nobody but you prefers it.
It is still quite popular in Europe, and Walther and HK gays will go to the end of the earth to make sure every new gun by them has paddles at least, even though both are also doing buttons for us morons in the US.
Because Euros (most particularly Germans) have a somewhat recurring habit of being moronic hipster contrarians.
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See above and picrel.
The Walther PDP doesn't even have a paddle. Outside of HK designs I can't think of a single european gun in the last years that had one.
I still haven't seen anyone even attempt to disprove the paddle's superiority. "It just sucks" and "contrarian" are not arguments, and they won't put your mag back in your pistol after you accidentally drop it with a button mag release.
Meanwhile, when Walther wouldn't put the paddle on the PDP, Kel Tec took up the cause. But really, if Walther stopped offering it on their flagship pistol, it's over.
>a challenger appears
This is literally better than the paddle mag release
When you're carrying, itll accidently actuate when you move, dropping the mag. Or at least probably higher likelihood of this.
Heel releases are absolutely awful
Why would you ever want a critical control that isn't within reach of your hand when holding the gun normally?
because when handing out pistols as a sidearm to thousands of troops, dropping magazines inadvertently is a bigger concern than that split second reload.
> It is physically impossible to accidentally drop the magazine while holding the gun normally
Me and my gorilla hands would like a word with you regarding learning to shoot with a USP.
Because it sucks dick and swallows.
This post sounds like it was made by a euro who's never shot a gun.
So pic + timestamp of your handgun with the "better" paddle release.
I ain't taking a new picture for you, but here are my guns. The LCR obviously doesn't have a paddle mag release.
>no timestamp
Ok nogun eurocuck
Do you carry while riding your motorcycle?
Sure do, I usually toss that LCR in the front pocket of the jacket and go. I used to carry the HK (without the match weight), but for some reason, pulling the DA trigger is really difficult with gloves on. The glove material bunches up on the "inside" of my trigger finger as it curls, but I don't have that problem with the LCR.
what do you ride hombre
I agree, paddle mag release is awesome. I think it's not more popular because of inertia in the industry, whose trends are largely affected by military and LE. Unless or until it becomes popular with mil/LE, it will not catch on at any significant scale for civilians. Also for some people it's new and scary so they avoid or talk shit about it despite never trying it.
Stuff goes wrong in tense situations all the time including holding guns weirdly or with a super gorilla grip. I've even heard of people falling to the ground on their gun and bumping the mag release, leaving them with a single shot. I think paddle mag release would solve most all of the unintentional mag ejections you see in police bodycam footage for example
Oh shit, you're the P2000SKbro I was talking to a while back about the match weight and the magazine sleeve adapters. Did you ever try out the one from x-grip?
I did not. I've barely gone shooting in the last couple months and I've been more interested in car shopping than getting any new shooting toys.
KLR 650
I agree OP. It's vastly superior. Although, I will say that I had an HK p2000, the gun I believe you have pictured there and it came with a slightly undersized roll pin that would walk out, good gun otherwise.
Anyway, another point that's a non-issue with most kydex holsters but soft holsters, especially if you're left handed, can also put the mag release in such a way as that you can pop out the magazine accidentally while holstered. I've had it happen but with paddle releases, it cannot happen. Also, if you're left handed, the button mag releases, particularly large ones like on target pistols, can really get in the way of the grip.
If I were right handed I'd probably still prefer it but as a left handed person, they are just blatantly better.
It hurts my hand and it's increadibly uncomfortable. Also most people who do like it are fricking hipsters with zero awareness.
Janky with gloves
>an industry didn't continue to propagate a bad idea that customers did not want
gee weird huh
I find the paddle release on my P2000 more sensitive to exactly where and how you press it than the grip thumb release on my glocks or CZ's. I am confident I could drop the latter style's magazines first try regardless of how I'm holding the firearm or my hand conditions (gloves, slippery, etc). I think I would struggle a bit with the paddle release if I was stressed out and my hands were wet or something. Most of that difference could probably be trained out.
I guess if I was going for a clean sheet design for everyday self defense I might go with a paddle design to reduce the probability of the mag being accidentally dropped, since the likelihood of needing to reload rapidly is basically nil. That being said, I would want to mess around with how the actual mechanism is designed, as the current HK approach of simply hinging around the spring pin leads to an inconsistent feel.