They had a lot of boats they needed to land. Not all of the landing sites were so well armed. But who's going to remember the guys who landed on an empty beach?
Yeah, first scene of the film would have been pretty fricking boring if it was just "Woody walks onto an uncontested beach somewhere along the French coast".
>Not all of the landing sites were so well armed.
You're right. Gold Juno and Sword were considerably more defended as they covered the approach of the major port of Caen.
The reality is that burgers in WWII mostly sucked.
The shore bombardment didn't hit the defences, the tanks drowned, CAS was inexistant despite being very much present, etc...
In fact if you read Rommel acount of the area the defenses were mostly concentrated making them easy to take down with corrected artillery or planes AGAINST what he had ordered.
safest way to get troops landed.
the idea is lots of boats means the enemy can't engage them all at once, so your guys can get lodged and start suppressing, helping other boats unload their guys.
Didn't go as smoothly as that but that was the general idea
They have been trying that shit since the Somme, and it never works. Artillery barrages are purely for infantry morale, as they never seem to obliterate the defenders as advertised.
LMAO, no. Artillery barrages routinely cause massive casualties to the defenders' first line. It's breaching the following lines to achieve a full breakthrough and dealing with counterattacks by enemy reserves where things get problematic.
it works fine. the problem in ww1 was that once you had breached the enemy's first line you were out of contact with your own artillery support, and had to sit tight and wait for runners to relay orders from your general 50 miles behind the line, and find out which section your own artillery was planning to blast next to make sure you weren't there when they did it. meanwhile of course the enemy's artillery was pounding your ass as hard as it could, with the inevitable result that by the time you got your new orders from your general telling you to advance and take the enemy's 2nd lines, and your artillery was shelling their second lines in preparation for your imminent assault, your guys had already retreated back to the safety of your own 2nd lines and were busy fighting off the enemy's counterattack, who, being nowhere near their 2nd lines at the time, were utterly unharmed by your side's artillery barrage.
Only on the empty beaches where fortifications were built. There were a lot of holiday homes/resorts on Gold, Sword and Juno which the Germans used as makeshift defences, those guys got absolutely demolished by the pre-bombardment
iirc the machine guns were actually much further away and fired parallel to the beach. This shot was only set up like this for the movie since it makes no sense to build several machine gun nests pointed at the open ocean rather than have one overlooking the entire beach.
I can't wait for VR to get to the point where you can be an MG-42 gunner in a weidersnest on the saving private ryan dramatization of Omaha beach.
seems like it would be fun.
landing forces on omaha were actually off course due to confusion from misidentifying terrain features and landmarks. They landed in the wrong sector, putting them in one of the more heavily defended areas. They still accomplished their objectives despite this
>the gun is shooped
Something about that shoop is reminding me of the most bizarre /k/ Wehreboo larper who shooped himself into both sides of POW rape scenes.
I'm almost certain he had one set in that exact MG nest.
You could join the PLA now and wait a year. It's more likely to be a water and air battle though
>You could join the PLA now
anon wants to defend a beach from a fortified position, they need to join Taiwan's side for that.
Exactly what I said anon.
Especially the bizarre part.
It's more or less SFW stuff, he took photos of himself in period uniforms or cosplay and shopped them altogether into scenes of POW torture and rape and sometimes combat.
Exactly what I said anon.
Especially the bizarre part.
It's more or less SFW stuff, he took photos of himself in period uniforms or cosplay and shopped them altogether into scenes of POW torture and rape and sometimes combat.
i know what you're talking about
i saved a bunch but i can't find them anymore, do you have any?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_of_Finland >Touko Valio Laaksonen (8 May 1920 – 7 November 1991), pseudonym Tom of Finland, was a Finnish artist who made stylized highly masculinized homoerotic art, and influenced late 20th-century gay culture. He has been called the "most influential creator of gay pornographic images" by cultural historian Joseph W. Slade >A controversial theme in his drawings was the erotic treatment of men in Nazi uniforms. They form a small part of his overall work, but the typically flattering visual treatment of these characters has led some viewers to infer sympathy or affinity for Nazism, and they have been omitted from most recent anthologies of his work.
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Anonymous
>canceling a vast selection of an artist's work because you don't agree with it
Kinda scummy to the guy's legacy, but also ironic as well when you consider that it's all just degenerate stuff anyways
That's funny since America and Russia have ugly uniforms and produce all the gay porn (from white-ish people at least. I'm sure South America has lots of brown sodomy)
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Anonymous
I dunno man, germans are pretty fricking gay too, and if you think they only became gay after 1945 i'd advise reading up on history
Unironically when D-day was supposed to happen days before it did and the joint command staff was getting cold feet sitting out in the channel waiting to jump in. German intelligence found out they were coming so the amount of resistance that was present on the beach was unexpected.
They tried hard to minimize the defenders faced by the invasion force. The majority of the landings cleared the beach with no resistance. Some sectors like Omaha Beach were quite heavily defended, but that was the exception.
>Why didn't they use the amphibious landers they had in the Pacific?
They hadn't invented chronospheres yet so they were limited to their 1944 technology.
You can find stuff looking for the name 'Jawman'
https://i.imgur.com/hbh55Hx.jpg
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This guy?
Yes!
That's the guy.
Is this a fetish?
It certainly bears the energy of a fetish
>Is this a fetish?
It might be like some mild furries where it comes so close to a fetish and sexual energy that the distinction isn't really important.
You are now aware they dropped a lot of fake paratroopers out of planes to divert german forces before invading.
You are now away they sent real paratroopers in to cause problems and divert enemy forces before invading.
You are now away that in addition to efforts to minimize german forces at the beach, they also picked the best beach they could.
You are now aware that a portion of the landing troops drowned due to the weight of their gear.
You are now aware that by opening from the front, it got the soldiers from boat to ground the fastest, minimizing time spend in transition, minimizing risk of drowning, minimizing risk of propellers, minimizing time spent without cover in the shallow surf.
You are now aware D-day wasn't some haphazard human wave attack.
To strike fear into the Germans. They had to watch in horror as wave after wave of men made their way up the beach as their guns ran out of ammo and started to overheat. The psychological aspect of corpse-ladder tactics cannot be underestimated.
The hope was that the bulk of the german army would be mostly elsewhere due to the false site that british intelligence leaked to the germans, which kind of worked, and that the naval+air forces would have knocked out most of the fortifications, which didnt work so well, but it did obliterate a lot of german units further inland. The fortifications and effectiveness of bombardment varied beach by beach by beach, the vast majority of allied forces were british and canadian. The US forces overall managed to land relatively easily at utah beach, the other four beaches (1 US, 3 British) were heavily fortified. The aim was also to land tanks first to clear the defences, this generally didnt go as planned.
Omaha-fortified
US fricked up clearing obstacles and landing vehicles, the tanks they tried to land mostly drowned, so mostly infantry on their own and many craft unable to land, the only exits were 6 gullies, which each had killboxes set up, artillery eventually cleared them but not until well into the day
2,000 casualties
Utah-not fortified
underwater obstacles all washed ashore by the tide, able to easily land, only opposed by 2 battalions and no fortifications. 191 casualties
Gold-fortified
bbombardment actually manages to knock out the main gun emplacement, but the fort was undamaged and able to enfliade fire across the beach, which the air and naval couldnt damage, + many bunkers. They eventually land AVRE tanks which detonate the bunkers.
1,000 casualties
Juno-fortified
bombardment missed most of the german defences, massive casualties on the beach but manage to clear the fortifcations once the tanks land, had to create a bridge using a tank to get off the beach, heavy forticiations for 5km inland.
961 casualties
Sword- fortified
bombardment is relatively successful and tanks land first, still have to deal with 6 forts and heavy enfilade fire+ 6 gun batteries and the merville battery.
683 casualties
Gotta keep the German guns firing to zero in on them for the shore bombardment. My grandfather gave out the shots to the invading force that drugged them up enough that they would keep pushing through with the 90%/70%/50% casualties among the first three waves.
Same reason your mom slept with your dad - that was their only option
Insane burn
to get to the other side
For teh lulz
It was a prank
They had a lot of boats they needed to land. Not all of the landing sites were so well armed. But who's going to remember the guys who landed on an empty beach?
Yeah, first scene of the film would have been pretty fricking boring if it was just "Woody walks onto an uncontested beach somewhere along the French coast".
The Pacific did it pretty well for the Guadalcanal landing scene.
>Not all of the landing sites were so well armed.
You're right. Gold Juno and Sword were considerably more defended as they covered the approach of the major port of Caen.
The reality is that burgers in WWII mostly sucked.
The shore bombardment didn't hit the defences, the tanks drowned, CAS was inexistant despite being very much present, etc...
In fact if you read Rommel acount of the area the defenses were mostly concentrated making them easy to take down with corrected artillery or planes AGAINST what he had ordered.
safest way to get troops landed.
the idea is lots of boats means the enemy can't engage them all at once, so your guys can get lodged and start suppressing, helping other boats unload their guys.
Didn't go as smoothly as that but that was the general idea
>Didn't go as smoothly as that
it did everywhere but omaha.
Probably had more due to other beaches having actual armour support.
Juno wasn't very smooth. Make sure your funnies don't sink next time doofus.
Their shore bombardment and bombing campaign failed. The intention was everything would be destroyed before a single boat landed.
They have been trying that shit since the Somme, and it never works. Artillery barrages are purely for infantry morale, as they never seem to obliterate the defenders as advertised.
LMAO, no. Artillery barrages routinely cause massive casualties to the defenders' first line. It's breaching the following lines to achieve a full breakthrough and dealing with counterattacks by enemy reserves where things get problematic.
it works fine. the problem in ww1 was that once you had breached the enemy's first line you were out of contact with your own artillery support, and had to sit tight and wait for runners to relay orders from your general 50 miles behind the line, and find out which section your own artillery was planning to blast next to make sure you weren't there when they did it. meanwhile of course the enemy's artillery was pounding your ass as hard as it could, with the inevitable result that by the time you got your new orders from your general telling you to advance and take the enemy's 2nd lines, and your artillery was shelling their second lines in preparation for your imminent assault, your guys had already retreated back to the safety of your own 2nd lines and were busy fighting off the enemy's counterattack, who, being nowhere near their 2nd lines at the time, were utterly unharmed by your side's artillery barrage.
Wrong. You just need more artillery. If it didn’t work, you didn’t use enough.
You do realize that like 80% of the casualties in ww1 were artillery right
Only on the empty beaches where fortifications were built. There were a lot of holiday homes/resorts on Gold, Sword and Juno which the Germans used as makeshift defences, those guys got absolutely demolished by the pre-bombardment
iirc the machine guns were actually much further away and fired parallel to the beach. This shot was only set up like this for the movie since it makes no sense to build several machine gun nests pointed at the open ocean rather than have one overlooking the entire beach.
Yes, enfilade and intersecting fire for MG positions over 800 yards away is more tactically sound.
I can't wait for VR to get to the point where you can be an MG-42 gunner in a weidersnest on the saving private ryan dramatization of Omaha beach.
seems like it would be fun.
You could join the PLA now and wait a year. It's more likely to be a water and air battle though
You can literally go to an arcade anon.
Zoomers will never know the joy of mowing down generic cold war soldiers in BEACHHEAD 2000
They didn't, the machineguns were some 200 meters into the land.
200 meters isnt nearly as far as you think it is.
what was the terrain like though? there were sheer cliffs were there not?
It might as well be 10 miles under 1200RPM machinegun fire
Nah - the heavy tripods made them usable out past 1km
Landing boats behind them would have been even bigger shit show.
One of the worst war movies ever made
This. Garbage movie with some very neat details, but nowhere near enough to save it. Yuck.
Y tho, it definitely made an impression on young teen me. What did you not like about it? I even think they did an ok job with the mockup tanks.
Because it's a movie.
Why did Germans emplace machine gun nests exactly where boats would have to land?
Mysterious mysteries are mysterious.
landing forces on omaha were actually off course due to confusion from misidentifying terrain features and landmarks. They landed in the wrong sector, putting them in one of the more heavily defended areas. They still accomplished their objectives despite this
they nearly botched the entire invasion but sure thing americlap
almost doesn't count kraut
the gun is shooped but the position is real
Thanks.
>the gun is shooped
Something about that shoop is reminding me of the most bizarre /k/ Wehreboo larper who shooped himself into both sides of POW rape scenes.
I'm almost certain he had one set in that exact MG nest.
>You could join the PLA now
anon wants to defend a beach from a fortified position, they need to join Taiwan's side for that.
>bizarre /k/ Wehreboo larper who shooped himself into both sides of POW rape scenes.
what?
Exactly what I said anon.
Especially the bizarre part.
It's more or less SFW stuff, he took photos of himself in period uniforms or cosplay and shopped them altogether into scenes of POW torture and rape and sometimes combat.
i know what you're talking about
i saved a bunch but i can't find them anymore, do you have any?
No, I never saved any.
It was pretty early internet stuff I think, not too surprised it's fallen off the web.
You can find stuff looking for the name 'Jawman'
This guy?
Is this a fetish?
It certainly bears the energy of a fetish
One of the reasons Nazi's are so popular with homosexuals is the spiffy uniforms. gays are drawn towards the designer uniforms. They can't help it.
Don't @ me
Unironically true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_of_Finland
>Touko Valio Laaksonen (8 May 1920 – 7 November 1991), pseudonym Tom of Finland, was a Finnish artist who made stylized highly masculinized homoerotic art, and influenced late 20th-century gay culture. He has been called the "most influential creator of gay pornographic images" by cultural historian Joseph W. Slade
>A controversial theme in his drawings was the erotic treatment of men in Nazi uniforms. They form a small part of his overall work, but the typically flattering visual treatment of these characters has led some viewers to infer sympathy or affinity for Nazism, and they have been omitted from most recent anthologies of his work.
>canceling a vast selection of an artist's work because you don't agree with it
Kinda scummy to the guy's legacy, but also ironic as well when you consider that it's all just degenerate stuff anyways
That's funny since America and Russia have ugly uniforms and produce all the gay porn (from white-ish people at least. I'm sure South America has lots of brown sodomy)
I dunno man, germans are pretty fricking gay too, and if you think they only became gay after 1945 i'd advise reading up on history
I think to get more of these just search jawman
Why didn't they smoke the beach?
Because in the 40’s the boomers were convinced that smoking anything other than tobacco or bbq was a sin and a sign of a weak willed deviant..
d
so my great-uncle had something to shoot at
Unironically when D-day was supposed to happen days before it did and the joint command staff was getting cold feet sitting out in the channel waiting to jump in. German intelligence found out they were coming so the amount of resistance that was present on the beach was unexpected.
Bullsheeeeet
I got the mole pet at 800kc, keep 'mirin
>German intelligence found out they were coming
Is that why they let Rommel go to see his wife in germany while the Allies started an invasion?
They tried hard to minimize the defenders faced by the invasion force. The majority of the landings cleared the beach with no resistance. Some sectors like Omaha Beach were quite heavily defended, but that was the exception.
That's where the water was. Behind the machineguns was just dirt.
Why didn't they use the amphibious landers they had in the Pacific?
>Why didn't they use the amphibious landers they had in the Pacific?
They hadn't invented chronospheres yet so they were limited to their 1944 technology.
Yes!
That's the guy.
>Is this a fetish?
It might be like some mild furries where it comes so close to a fetish and sexual energy that the distinction isn't really important.
You are now aware they dropped a lot of fake paratroopers out of planes to divert german forces before invading.
You are now away they sent real paratroopers in to cause problems and divert enemy forces before invading.
You are now away that in addition to efforts to minimize german forces at the beach, they also picked the best beach they could.
You are now aware that a portion of the landing troops drowned due to the weight of their gear.
You are now aware that by opening from the front, it got the soldiers from boat to ground the fastest, minimizing time spend in transition, minimizing risk of drowning, minimizing risk of propellers, minimizing time spent without cover in the shallow surf.
You are now aware D-day wasn't some haphazard human wave attack.
/misc/ thinks GIs were herded off the boats by israeli blocking detachments
It's projecting from the very real threat of death from israeli commissars.
had to kill off the white trash somehow.
To strike fear into the Germans. They had to watch in horror as wave after wave of men made their way up the beach as their guns ran out of ammo and started to overheat. The psychological aspect of corpse-ladder tactics cannot be underestimated.
because frick germans
Jews who immigrated to America decades prior were like "lol this will kill a lot of Christian goyim"
idk why israelites were given power
Why didn't the US soldiers fly to Berlin?
The hope was that the bulk of the german army would be mostly elsewhere due to the false site that british intelligence leaked to the germans, which kind of worked, and that the naval+air forces would have knocked out most of the fortifications, which didnt work so well, but it did obliterate a lot of german units further inland. The fortifications and effectiveness of bombardment varied beach by beach by beach, the vast majority of allied forces were british and canadian. The US forces overall managed to land relatively easily at utah beach, the other four beaches (1 US, 3 British) were heavily fortified. The aim was also to land tanks first to clear the defences, this generally didnt go as planned.
Omaha-fortified
US fricked up clearing obstacles and landing vehicles, the tanks they tried to land mostly drowned, so mostly infantry on their own and many craft unable to land, the only exits were 6 gullies, which each had killboxes set up, artillery eventually cleared them but not until well into the day
2,000 casualties
Utah-not fortified
underwater obstacles all washed ashore by the tide, able to easily land, only opposed by 2 battalions and no fortifications. 191 casualties
Gold-fortified
bbombardment actually manages to knock out the main gun emplacement, but the fort was undamaged and able to enfliade fire across the beach, which the air and naval couldnt damage, + many bunkers. They eventually land AVRE tanks which detonate the bunkers.
1,000 casualties
Juno-fortified
bombardment missed most of the german defences, massive casualties on the beach but manage to clear the fortifcations once the tanks land, had to create a bridge using a tank to get off the beach, heavy forticiations for 5km inland.
961 casualties
Sword- fortified
bombardment is relatively successful and tanks land first, still have to deal with 6 forts and heavy enfilade fire+ 6 gun batteries and the merville battery.
683 casualties
because it's a movie made by a israelite cooming to goyims killing each other.
Because getting the boats behind the krauts was too difficult.
moronic tourist detected. /k/ is not /spoonfeed/
because human wave tactics aren't a myth. what is a myth is that only the soviets use them, everyone did.
Gotta keep the German guns firing to zero in on them for the shore bombardment. My grandfather gave out the shots to the invading force that drugged them up enough that they would keep pushing through with the 90%/70%/50% casualties among the first three waves.
They didn’t realize that part of the coast would be so heavily defended