>and you don't know if it's going to fail or not?
um, the germans DID know that it's going to fail, the guy in charge of the defenses (Rommel) said so himself
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the guy in charge of the defenses (Rommel) said so himself
Who? Sounds like you're coping by citing a nobody
1 year ago
Anonymous
I didn't cite anyone
It's a joke but people do have this attitude of >thing "failed" therefore was a complete waste of time
Nevermind factoring in strategy, luck, or you were just overwhelmed and there wasn't anything you could do.
"failed" therefore was a complete waste of time
I think you should read a book. germany didn't gain anything from WW2. it was, indeed, a complete waste of time
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well shit why did they even do WW2 if they didn't gain anything? They should have just not done it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They did it for fun
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, no shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Seemed like a good deal at the time. Too bad the anglos had to ruin a good blitzing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
well they weren’t supposed to get anything out of it, It was more of a hobby activity sort of thing
It's a joke but people do have this attitude of >thing "failed" therefore was a complete waste of time
Nevermind factoring in strategy, luck, or you were just overwhelmed and there wasn't anything you could do.
The Germans prepared machine guns for the beaches because they wanted to make it a fun event for everybody. Imagine landing on the beach and nothing happened? See? It would be a letdown.
that LITERALLY happened on several beaches, at least the initial landing itself wasn't bad but then once they were up over the beached there were defenses
Yes. They got fed fake info that they were going to invade the north, and invaded the south, that is part of why that battle was so decisive, the allies knew they could juke them, without the axis knowing about it.
>Uhhh well how come it didn’t work then
cowardly allied air attack on the villa where the German panzer generals were gathered delayed the organized armored response by 3 weeks
>mark felton >muh coward allies cope
when hitler was informed of the landings he didn't believe to be a full invasion, probably another raid like dieppe, and held his tanks back
But Germans lost and that means that putting resources on MG42s in Normandy were wasted and yet another example of Nazi shortsightedness and stupid decision making. They should have put all that steel put into infantry weaponry into a huge battleship that would have sunk the Allied fleet before they could land.
Bismarck was just another example of Nazi half-measures and inefficiency. They should have built a huge battleship. Like thrice the displacement of Yamato. Unsinkable killing machine. Allies wouldn't have stood a chance.
2 anti aircraft ships with 22 guns each, ground based aaa batteries, and Tirpitz herself all failed to stop bongs from sinking her. Given, she was immobile and level bombing historically sucked but even american level of aa technology wouldn't be enough to defend a super battleship against air superiority.
>lets build a really big frick off armored vehicle instead of funneling that money and resources into anything else
you'd fit right in with high command
I know this is probably bait, but massive battleships are on the way out, the Americans proved that air power would dominate navel battles. Germany was a lost cause as soon as they invaded Poland.
>Order eagles to fly to Berlin >they head straight for their natural roost, the Eagle's Nest >Allied war plans and high command delivered to Hitler personally
why didn't nagumo just detonate the bombs on his carriers
he was wasting time
well...yes. Germany and Japan surrendering early would have meant that their countries would not have been totally destroyed. going to war was indeed a bad decision on their part from every possible angle
The war wasn't actually lost at Barbarossa. It was lost due to Hitler and Co's extreme autism. Granted, they probably would have never done the invasion without being dangerously moronic, but they actually had an excellent path to victory early on, had they not been committed to "muh living space."
Part of the reason the Red Army collapsed so hard was that they began getting raped by ethnic minority partisans on all sides as the Nazis advanced. 75,000 partisans rose up in the tiny Baltic states alone, with the Soviets sometimes driven out before the Germans even made it to a location. Ukrainians also rose up to support the Nazis initially. They were less than a decade out from a massive Russian genocide that killed millions, even as tons of new Russian families were resettled in now depopulated areas of Ukraine and supplied with food looted from starving Ukrainian settlements. The Soviets even went as far issuing the death penalty for peasants who picked up grain that had fallen on the ground during harvests, demanding that it be allowed to rot instead, this, after all food had been removed from some settlements.
Meanwhile, Stalin continued to have his staff reach out daily to the Germans to find a peace through the fifth week of the invasion. Had the Nazis not been moronic, they could have won major concessions from the Soviets and set up client states as a buffer against any future Soviet aggression while also getting economic benefits from these relationships.
Instead they decided: "nooo, the people giving us flowers for liberating them from the "invaders," (Russians) are actually subhuman based on our made up racial classes. We need to enslave or genocide them and all the Russians. We should also enslave and kill all POWs so that no one surrenders anymore.
Then they got maximal resistance and all the people who welcomed them turning on them as partisans, and of course, had lost any real hope of a victory by January.
Normandy happens to be the ancestral breeding ground for German mg teams, it was pure coincidence that the allies landed while the Germans were returning home to spawn
Why was everyone at the time saying that the movie was "literally how it happened" when the battle is depicted as 10 minutes of impossible to survive slaughter followed by a breakthrough and victory?
>They will surely land at Calais, the most obvious place for an amphibious invasion
What a fricking blunder. Did they really take the allies to be such fools after they had already kicked fascists out of North Africa and had half of Italy?
>plant fake armies across the channel from calais, including inflatable trucks and tanks >send out fake radio messages about those armies >have a double agent in the abwehr who they trust giving them fake info about landing in calais >on second thought have two double agents >use a dead homeless man, stuff him with believable papers about calais invasion, give him a backstory, fake wife and drop him off the coast of portugal so the germans think they got lucky >HAVE THE LEADER OF THE ENEMY INTELLIGENCE AGENCY BE A TRAITOR AND A DOUBLE AGENT
the nazis were so fricking stupid for spycraft
they actually only had a handful of machine guns in position on D-Day. part of the reason Heinrich Severloh got such a high proportion of kills is that he was operating what was basically the only machine gun overlooking Omaha Beach with a clear field of fire.
to show the americans how cool the MG42 is
there werent mg42s on Normandy. the reserve and conscript units there were armed with the MG08/15
The machineguns were there first. You typically want to defend your borders from invasion. It's considered a smart move by most.
>You typically want to defend your borders from invasion. It's considered a smart move by most.
Uhhh well how come it didn’t work then
More better dudes beat fewer worse dudes typically.
sounds like the machineguns were a waste then. so, again...why did they put them there?
imagine not having a machine gun
I can, because the same result happened. the machineguns made no difference whatsoever
I still think the coolest part about studying history is never having to deal with uncertainty of outcome.
it wasn't a secret that the axis were going to lose, all of their top commanders knew before they even started going
Because you want to provide resistance and you don't know if it's going to fail or not? I hope this is lolsofunny trolling and not genuine moronation
>and you don't know if it's going to fail or not?
um, the germans DID know that it's going to fail, the guy in charge of the defenses (Rommel) said so himself
>the guy in charge of the defenses (Rommel) said so himself
Who? Sounds like you're coping by citing a nobody
I didn't cite anyone
"failed" therefore was a complete waste of time
I think you should read a book. germany didn't gain anything from WW2. it was, indeed, a complete waste of time
Well shit why did they even do WW2 if they didn't gain anything? They should have just not done it.
They did it for fun
Yeah, no shit.
Seemed like a good deal at the time. Too bad the anglos had to ruin a good blitzing.
well they weren’t supposed to get anything out of it, It was more of a hobby activity sort of thing
Rommel was high on copium, as per usual.
It's a joke but people do have this attitude of
>thing "failed" therefore was a complete waste of time
Nevermind factoring in strategy, luck, or you were just overwhelmed and there wasn't anything you could do.
The Germans prepared machine guns for the beaches because they wanted to make it a fun event for everybody. Imagine landing on the beach and nothing happened? See? It would be a letdown.
that LITERALLY happened on several beaches, at least the initial landing itself wasn't bad but then once they were up over the beached there were defenses
very sporting of them really
why don't we just take this to its logical conclusion
>if you can see the future and realize a war is unwinnable why bother to fight it
some fricking moron german general moved all the armor to a different beachhead
>some fricking moron german general moved all the armor to a different beachhead
Wasn't it some extremely elaborate feint by the allies?
Yes. They got fed fake info that they were going to invade the north, and invaded the south, that is part of why that battle was so decisive, the allies knew they could juke them, without the axis knowing about it.
>Uhhh well how come it didn’t work then
cowardly allied air attack on the villa where the German panzer generals were gathered delayed the organized armored response by 3 weeks
>Mark Felton
This guy's stuff goes from completely reasonable to borderline schizo all the time and I love it.
>mark felton
>muh coward allies cope
when hitler was informed of the landings he didn't believe to be a full invasion, probably another raid like dieppe, and held his tanks back
Kino
>why use machine guns, it didn't work at all
ask them
skill issue
But Germans lost and that means that putting resources on MG42s in Normandy were wasted and yet another example of Nazi shortsightedness and stupid decision making. They should have put all that steel put into infantry weaponry into a huge battleship that would have sunk the Allied fleet before they could land.
I don't know their biggest and best was sunk by paper planes.
if by paper planes you mean torpedoes
Bismarck was just another example of Nazi half-measures and inefficiency. They should have built a huge battleship. Like thrice the displacement of Yamato. Unsinkable killing machine. Allies wouldn't have stood a chance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-class_battleship_proposals#H-42_through_H-44
>Not including the H-45
But that's the 2,000 foot long one with multiple 32 inch guns!
Not even the biggest. A Jap admiral during WWI had a plan for a fleet ship where the one boat would be the entire fleet.
2 anti aircraft ships with 22 guns each, ground based aaa batteries, and Tirpitz herself all failed to stop bongs from sinking her. Given, she was immobile and level bombing historically sucked but even american level of aa technology wouldn't be enough to defend a super battleship against air superiority.
nah there was a treaty that banned that shit
>lets build a really big frick off armored vehicle instead of funneling that money and resources into anything else
you'd fit right in with high command
I know this is probably bait, but massive battleships are on the way out, the Americans proved that air power would dominate navel battles. Germany was a lost cause as soon as they invaded Poland.
This fascist line of thought is why we need to abolish borders ASAP
>You typically want to defend your borders from invasion.
Cool it with the racism, buddy
To shoot the invaders Black person
Bit rude innit?
why didn't the allies fly the eagles to berlin
>Order eagles to fly to Berlin
>they head straight for their natural roost, the Eagle's Nest
>Allied war plans and high command delivered to Hitler personally
you are an fricking moron
Why didn't the Allies just land in Calais?
Would have been a lot shorter distance to make
Why didn't the Allies just land in Berlin?
Read Mein Silmarillion.
German humor is hard to understand sometimes
just a bit of banter innit burgers cant handle banter so they lost more men then everyone else
Just in case.
why didn't Hitler just shoot himself as soon as Barbarossa started
wasted resources during the war
well...yes. Germany and Japan surrendering early would have meant that their countries would not have been totally destroyed. going to war was indeed a bad decision on their part from every possible angle
The war wasn't actually lost at Barbarossa. It was lost due to Hitler and Co's extreme autism. Granted, they probably would have never done the invasion without being dangerously moronic, but they actually had an excellent path to victory early on, had they not been committed to "muh living space."
Part of the reason the Red Army collapsed so hard was that they began getting raped by ethnic minority partisans on all sides as the Nazis advanced. 75,000 partisans rose up in the tiny Baltic states alone, with the Soviets sometimes driven out before the Germans even made it to a location. Ukrainians also rose up to support the Nazis initially. They were less than a decade out from a massive Russian genocide that killed millions, even as tons of new Russian families were resettled in now depopulated areas of Ukraine and supplied with food looted from starving Ukrainian settlements. The Soviets even went as far issuing the death penalty for peasants who picked up grain that had fallen on the ground during harvests, demanding that it be allowed to rot instead, this, after all food had been removed from some settlements.
Meanwhile, Stalin continued to have his staff reach out daily to the Germans to find a peace through the fifth week of the invasion. Had the Nazis not been moronic, they could have won major concessions from the Soviets and set up client states as a buffer against any future Soviet aggression while also getting economic benefits from these relationships.
Instead they decided: "nooo, the people giving us flowers for liberating them from the "invaders," (Russians) are actually subhuman based on our made up racial classes. We need to enslave or genocide them and all the Russians. We should also enslave and kill all POWs so that no one surrenders anymore.
Then they got maximal resistance and all the people who welcomed them turning on them as partisans, and of course, had lost any real hope of a victory by January.
Why didn't the Allied soldiers use steel shields to block the machine gun bullets?
why didn't nagumo just detonate the bombs on his carriers
he was wasting time
Why didn't Hitler immediately surrender after invading Poland?
He called a truce instead so it wasn’t necessary you stupid fsggot.
Why didn't I just not coom last night?
Skill issue
try squeezing the tip while holding to the stock
Normandy happens to be the ancestral breeding ground for German mg teams, it was pure coincidence that the allies landed while the Germans were returning home to spawn
Sometimes people fail so no one should ever do anything.
>Sometimes people fail so no one should ever do anything
Average anon mentality
Why was everyone at the time saying that the movie was "literally how it happened" when the battle is depicted as 10 minutes of impossible to survive slaughter followed by a breakthrough and victory?
>Why did the allies put their front door ramp landing crafts where the Germans put their machineguns
FTFY
Why did the Americans land where the Germans put their machine guns?
they needed to cull the republican voters
Why didn't the Allies just mass bomb Berlin to dust?
that's dishonorable. allies wouldn't do something like that.
The allies landed where the machine guns were
So that they wouldn't be able to land
Germans are sore losers and didnt understand the honor of dying for israelites with a bolt action gun in your hand.
>They will surely land at Calais, the most obvious place for an amphibious invasion
What a fricking blunder. Did they really take the allies to be such fools after they had already kicked fascists out of North Africa and had half of Italy?
>plant fake armies across the channel from calais, including inflatable trucks and tanks
>send out fake radio messages about those armies
>have a double agent in the abwehr who they trust giving them fake info about landing in calais
>on second thought have two double agents
>use a dead homeless man, stuff him with believable papers about calais invasion, give him a backstory, fake wife and drop him off the coast of portugal so the germans think they got lucky
>HAVE THE LEADER OF THE ENEMY INTELLIGENCE AGENCY BE A TRAITOR AND A DOUBLE AGENT
the nazis were so fricking stupid for spycraft
Why didn't the one-balled moron just sue for peace with the west after losing France?
Because they were spawn campers.
Why wasn't US soldiers using shields?
Why didn't the israelites simply walk out of the camps?
this is such a dumb fricking thread.
You're dumb
for reading it, yes
Epic reddit moment
Thinking about the tiger tanks that got smashed by 16 inch guns.
There was like 5 Tiger tanks operational and 16 inch guns were extremely inaccurate so chances of one meeting the other is very low.
they actually only had a handful of machine guns in position on D-Day. part of the reason Heinrich Severloh got such a high proportion of kills is that he was operating what was basically the only machine gun overlooking Omaha Beach with a clear field of fire.
To kill the goy better.
It was a war so who knows why the nazis put machine guns there.
The real question is why the French didnt put machineguns where the germans were coming through the trees.
Why didn't you?