Why did the BHP never get popular in America the way the 1911 did? It's superior in every way.
Why did the BHP never get popular in America the way the 1911 did? It's superior in every way.
Why did the BHP never get popular in America the way the 1911 did? It's superior in every way.
I mean, I love my 1911 as much as the next guy, but obviously having more rounds is better.
>Why did this gun that was the standard issue sidearm for 70 years become more popular than this Euro handgun?
You own the guns in question yet you're this fricking moronic about their history?
Please be nice to me, I just found out my grandpa is dying.
>training to miss
ngmi
It was 9mm and wasn't adopted by the military.
9mm is just as effective as .45 ACP
It's not the point. When the military decided to adopt 9x19 the Hi Power was already a 50yo design and there were better constructions.
Why does the US military have to be such moronic homosexuals at every turn?
These Black folk are right.
I’m carrying a sig m18 rn because it got adopted. I don’t care that it sucks. People like shit the military uses.
Oh, so it's like a branding thing. I'll never really understand people who are like that, but apparently there are lots of npcs out there.
It’s really a wonder the military ever adopted 9mm and the Beretta 92. .45 caliber has been a huge part of the American gun mythology since the Wild West and the Colt SAA. Once the military really regards something as a necessity, it’s near impossible to change their minds on it. You can see this with single shot Springfield trapdoors in the 1870s-1880s, the insistence on keeping .30 caliber full power rifles postwar, the creation and adoption of the M14, and so on. The 1911 and .45 caliber were part of that tradition, so they stuck around for a very long time. The 1911 was an obsolete gun certainly by the end of WW2 but it somehow stuck around to the 1980s. So we didn’t get a Hi-Power/P38/S&W 39 type handgun when we should have.
Could it be that military procurement (especially appointed government positions) and the arms industry have such an intertwined relationship that once a company gets it's going to keep that contract as long as they still have friends pulling strings for them?
Ah yes, Beretta is well known for being part of the US military industrial complex.
It's a global empire, buddy, and Italy has been a part of it since 1945. Just look at Operation Gladio.
There’s legitimate mythology to the .45, American soldiers in the Philippines wanted SAAs because they didn’t think the newer revolvers were killing druggies fast enough
>justifying the genocide in the Philippines
Seek Christ
have a nice day moron
Why do you deny that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior? Why do you deny that He died for our sins?
Why do you deny Filipinos the chance to meet him?
>didn't capitalize Him
Thou Shall Not Kill
>didn't get repeating digits
Thou shalt not check'em.
>muh dubs
I got dubs here, what do you think about this post?
Why aren’t you stopping the on going war you israelite puppet
Btw the hi power is mid af, it’s not bussin
>Why aren't you stopping the ongoing war
I am not position to stop any war, but I do oppose any war that isn't based around the people of a nation rising up against their rulers.
I didn’t justify anything you fricking Black person
>killing druggies fast enough
Incredible way to describe people defending their nation from foreign aggression, you israelite-hearted imperialistic homosexual.
>t. seething flip monkey
Moro warriors were literally on drugs, sorry that pisses you off
they were actually on drugs and in bondage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juramentado
https://deadliestblogpage.wordpress.com/2017/04/19/juramentado-moro-suicidal-assassins/
they would actually tie themselves up so it acted like tourniquets when they got shot.
It was dismissive and shitty, and you know it. Truly ZOGbrained.
Can’t wait for you people to get curb stomped by China and locked behind the great firewall
Who? America?
You're telling me a skin tight gimp suit makes for an effective tool for controlling bleeding? Perhaps my dreams of combat gimps can become reality
>those feet
Literally a monkey
Killing flips is a good thing
>trad LARPer
Except you know Beretta beating Colt, S&W, and Ruger in trials (in addition to Sig and other euros)
45 lost a lost of favor in the Depression as smaller calibers had an easier time penetrating cover. It was early (fudd) police lore that a 45 couldn't shoot through a car door which is untrue but the reputation stuck.
But they moved to American smaller calibers not 9mm because America.
And that was mostly fbi agents and cops hyping .357 mag as the new big thing because “it goes through robbers’ car doors, not the military urging widespread adoption of it for a standard issue handgun. Did the military ever adopt .357 in any capacity? I can’t think of any WW2 era military revolvers that weren’t just .38s.
What's even more moronic is that the FBI used .357 magnum for years but then later claimed that 10mm had too much recoil.
That’s because they let in more women and gays
Yup!
>implying the FBI wasn’t gay from the start
hoover_crossdressing.jpg
That’s why I said “more”
Some guys at my lgs were talking about Hoover crossdressing one time. That was such an awesome conversation
>The 1911 was an obsolete gun certainly by the end of WW2
Wrong
DA/SA > SAO, double stack mags > single stack, 9x19 > .45acp
DA is stupid and pointless
You’re stupid and pointless
Justify DA over SA
Dewienered with a heavy first trigger pull is both better and safer than carrying wienered and locked because there's no possibility of fumbling the safety and the hammer doesn't have enough energy to set off a round if it somehow does drop. Then you get a nice short, light trigger pull for every shot after that.
carrying hammer down is extremely safe, the energy needed to detonate a primer does not even exist in the system, you have add it by fully wienering the hammer with a trigger pull - a very long (doesn't have to be heavy, mine is a 6 pound pull) deliberate action.
needs no safety, most manuals for DA/SAs instruct to carry safety off if one is present, I just convert all mine to dewienerer only.
switches to SA after the first pull for faster follow up shots
>DA/SA > SAO, double stack mags > single stack
Correct
>9x19 > .45acp
Both have their uses. Don't forget that 45 acp is naturally sub-sonic and the fact that is penetrates less than 9mm lends itself to situations where avoiding collateral damage is of great importance.
>45 acp is naturally sub-sonic
So is 147gr 9mm, and it suppresses even better because smaller bore = less gas escaping
>and the fact that is penetrates less than 9mm lends itself to situations where avoiding collateral damage is of great importance.
If hollow points didn't exist then this might be a good point.
>So is 147gr 9mm
I didn't know that! Thanks for the free knowledge fren! It's not every day I learn something new about guns.
>If hollow points didn't exist then this might be a good point.
I've actually seen what both 9mm and 45 acp hollow points do inside of an apartment and I much prefer the 45 acp in that regard.
>Thanks for the free knowledge fren!
No problem bro.
>I've actually seen what both 9mm and 45 acp hollow points do inside of an apartment and I much prefer the 45 acp in that regard.
Fair enough. I'm firmly in the school of though that when it comes to pistols only shot placement and penetration matter, but that's a blade that cuts both ways. While I do think that 9mm is better, you'll never be under-armed with .45 or any other cartridge. If you like it and you can shoot well with it, then that's what's best for you.
>I've actually seen what both 9mm and 45 acp hollow points do inside of an apartment
Elaborate
>The 1911 was an obsolete gun certainly by the end of WW2
Where do you people get these dumbass opinions?
It wasn't the military sidearm for 2 world wars.
Pretty much this, if hypothetically the 1911 was never adopted it would have probably died and been left in the 20th century, I feel a large segment of people really like to own whatever firearm is in military circulation.
why is everyone that owns a hi power a tremendous homosexual?
Because most of them are European.
Just the vatnik OP, I don't admit to homosexualry
You don't own guns.
Think again
You're not American.
That's right and I can post the wall plug to prove it
America is the greatest country on Earth, and Americans are the greatest people on Earth. Only vatBlack folk disagree.
Americans are too fat but I'll take them over Russia
Sorry, either you believe America is the greatest nation to ever exist, or you support Puccia. There is no middle ground.
Ur a vatnik lol
Says the guy who doesn't love America. Eat shit, Ivan.
Let's Hogue it out bros.
You love America, don't you buddy?
You're God-damned right, I do.
Poutine time!
It came out 2 decades later and only 4 years before WW2. When WW2 started, the US military couldn't just phase out their old and introduce a new service pistol, so the 1911 stayed the preferred weapon.
20 years of dominating the market gave the 1911 an insurmountable lead.
SEXOOO
Keep in mind that until ww2 the 9mm luger cartridge was loaded to the same low pressure that 45 acp still is today. The performance gap would have been much more real and perceptible back then than it is today. I am not shocked that some would decry it as being underpowered and inadequate. We are working with an entirely different 9mm cartridge these days even if it's dimensionally identical.
>Magazine safety
>Hinged trigger
>Superior in every way
Nah
9mm is for women and europeans
>It's superior in every way.
?
It just is, okay!?
Because handguns don’t matter whatsoever in military service
It's really not lol mediocre at best.
Objectively a more beautiful gun than the 1911
Gee you fricking idiot, its almost like the hi power didnt get issued to american g.i.s for two world motherfricking wars are you fricking shitting me Black person. You must be the stupidest frick in the world.
Calm down.
>superior in every way
did it win two whirl prostitutes?
Because by the time it became practical for the US Military to switch to 9mm there were much better designs than the BHP available to them. The BHP is cool, but a Beretta will never stove pipe and it's less expensive.
Same reason the AR15 is popular
>"Thats what duh army uses son, 1911 two world wars"
T.boomer
>"Bruhh I'm gonna buy what the army uses bro"
T. Gen x,Millenial
>Same reason the AR15 is popular
The AR15 is popular because it's good. Any attempt to deny this is cope.
This
And this can both be true. The AR15 existed and was good long before it was popular.
We already had the 1911, which was also JM Browning design, and it was so damned good, and in a caliber that the Army had PROVEN was a man stopper, that nobody in the Depression could justify the expense of buying and outfitting an entire new pistol.
In the grand strategy of war fighting, what sidearm you carry is of so little importance as to be laughable.
Instead, we got the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine. These were much more intelligent choices to spend money on.
What is my best bet on a good milsurp Hi-power these days? I'm kicking myself for not buying any of the FEG/Israeli ones I used to see on sites like AIM surplus and JG sales and stuff. I don't wanna pay top dollar for a collector piece, just a decent condition surp like my Makarov. Are they all dried up and now auction sites are all that's left?
Your best bet is to buy a tokarev or a p38. I'm with you bro, except I didnt even buy a Makarov when they were $300. Feels bad
The Tokarev shoots an extremely fun round too
Shoot a 1911 some time. That's why.
The Hipower has a dogshit trigger.
Not even a triggergay, it's something morons who don't shoot argue over, however my hi power has the absolute worst, Dogshit borderline unusable trigger. Double action magnum revolvers are 10x better.
I like the DA trigger pull on my GP100
It's long and heavy but has a very predictable and steady stroke. When I am shooting slow fire I don't bother with SA, I just stage the trigger. There's a little hollow spot right before the hammer drops, where you can feel a bit of the tension ease up. I can stage with 100% reliability.
>nooo you can't stage a trigger that's bad etc etc
it's my fricking gun and I'll do whatever I want lmao
I wonder if it was advertised as being designed by the same guy as the 1911 like the SA-35 is right now by Springfield. Those are still selling well, I hear. And I think the marketing has a big part to play in it. (I want one myself, but I'm already set on getting a CZ-75 first, and a 1911 as well).
B/c Fuddyfive
Shitty ergos, shitty trigger, hammer bite. Needs beaver tail but who the frick wants a gun with a beaver tail for EDC?
Literally the only thing the Hi Power has over the 1911 is capacity.
I don't get it if da/sa guns like the hi-power were meant to be carried with the hammer down how come they didn't have a dewienerer? can anyone show me a training manual from any police or military organization instructing people to manually let the hammer down?