Because everyone was more or less on the same page (general Assad support or indifference). With the Ukraine war we're just another front in a massive, obvious East vs West propaganda war.
No, there is only a propaganda war from the Russian side. On /k/ there are a plurality of good faith voices standing with democracy in our communities.
Middle Easterners are better at getting combat video than Slavic subhumans, and the music was banging. >dude, dude, DUDE, you just have to watch this drone snuff film some moron put buttrock over, you just HAVE to!
Normies didn't give a frick so it was just us military autists shitposting about it.
Why did people support the regime?
I did at the time because the only reason we gave a frick was the Qatar / Turkey pipeline, the same reason Russia cared.
Now I'm not sure where I stand, I hate us traveling the world overthrowing elected governments and arming terrorist but I have also seen plenty of proof he was gassing civilains now.
I think in the end the world is just greed and there are no good guys.
do your homework, each case was proven to have been from FSA groups
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v36/n08/seymour-m.-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
Pro Government: Christian’s, Shia Muslims and other religious minorities concentrated in the western part of Syria.
Syrian opposition: Sunni Islamists of varying sects supported by Turkey and other gulf states.
Then you have the Kurds and formerly ISIS
That was pretty obvious much earlier and wasn't the concern. It's only when Assad with Russian and Iranian help started gaining control of most of the country that the US, joined by some EU states, started backing the SDF.
July 2017 is when the US decided to "phase out" backing the rebels, so essentially 2018 is when they stopped supporting them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore
Wasn't there the drama over that one used car salesman spotting a Toyota from his place being used by ISIS or some other Islamic group?
>Wasn't there the drama over that one used car salesman spotting a Toyota from his place being used by ISIS or some other Islamic group?
I think that was acquired from used car wholesellers.
The US hasn't stopped backing rebels outright. The FSA holdout in the southeast near the Iraq border is backed by the US and has a US military base as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Free_Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tanf_(U.S._military_base)#%22The_55_km_area%22
Every single minority supports the regime. The sunnis will deport and kill everyone if they ever get into power.
So the only option for the minorities is to keep ruling the place by force. Eventually another civil war will break out.
>Because no matter how bad the government was, they weren't beheading people or instating Sharia Law.
This. Sometimes armed revolution is just not the answer because you cannot control it and it often ends up being hijacked by outsiders. Al Qaeda (and later IS) have done this all over the place in Africa as well as obviously the Middle East.
People here supported Assad because was nowhere near as bad as the Islamists trying to takeover the country. But what is always forgotten by westerners is why people revolted against Assad in the first place. Him and his government made life hell for a lot of the population. But he's still better than the alternative.
Thats complete bullshit. The assad regimes hold on power is only enabled by settling afghan shias in syria and having iranian and lebanese shia fighters defending the regime. ISIS has been kinda vilified to the point of being sandBlack person nazis but in reality the islamic state was genuinely the most stable and economically prosperous part of Syria from 2014-2018. Theres a reason ISIS was so succesful, and brutality was just a small part of that. From a western perspective sure ISIS might be committing human rights violations and all that but for the people in Syria ISIS provided a sense of normalcy and stability. The law was upheld, property rights were secure and bandits and robbers were punished accordingly, you cant say the same for regime controlled areas where various criminal groups (that became assadist militias) would frequently shake down sunni civilians, commit various crimes and plunder sunni businesses. There was a study from 2016 iirc using satellite footage and data to see the amount of traffic, commerce and repair in syria and oddly enough ISIS controlled areas seemed the most prosperous. Ofc this went down the drain especially because of the coalition air campaign but id like you to reconsider vatnik tier based assad propaganda, shits gotta be fricked up when the average levantine arab is willing to give up inhumane amounts of hair gel and tobacco just to live in a state with the rule of law, however harsh that law may be.
Thats complete bullshit. The assad regimes hold on power is only enabled by settling afghan shias in syria and having iranian and lebanese shia fighters defending the regime. ISIS has been kinda vilified to the point of being sandBlack person nazis but in reality the islamic state was genuinely the most stable and economically prosperous part of Syria from 2014-2018. Theres a reason ISIS was so succesful, and brutality was just a small part of that. From a western perspective sure ISIS might be committing human rights violations and all that but for the people in Syria ISIS provided a sense of normalcy and stability. The law was upheld, property rights were secure and bandits and robbers were punished accordingly, you cant say the same for regime controlled areas where various criminal groups (that became assadist militias) would frequently shake down sunni civilians, commit various crimes and plunder sunni businesses. There was a study from 2016 iirc using satellite footage and data to see the amount of traffic, commerce and repair in syria and oddly enough ISIS controlled areas seemed the most prosperous. Ofc this went down the drain especially because of the coalition air campaign but id like you to reconsider vatnik tier based assad propaganda, shits gotta be fricked up when the average levantine arab is willing to give up inhumane amounts of hair gel and tobacco just to live in a state with the rule of law, however harsh that law may be.
I took notice of the obvious "Worship your communist gods!" propaganda piece on the street-lamp.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Loved those "based" assad memes, very organic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sure there's not much that you actually love, you unappreciated dog.
Oh my god why the frick do you have to shill for ISIS, of course they had higher levels of development, they didn't have to deal with nonstop airstrikes and artillery shelling like rebel areas.
https://i.imgur.com/wAZgDLS.png
based objective understander
[...]
how does that Russian wiener taste?
It's not objective, it's just shilling for ISIS, no one on the Internet can be normal.
Objectively wrong, the coalition air campaign was primarily targeted against ISIS and they absorbed the most bombs both from the russian/regime bombings and from the US air campaign. Its a wonder they managed to function as long as they did under such an intense bombing campaign, remember how quickly gaddafi forces disintegrated when the coalition bombed libya, for comparison.
Your hands are brown.
I'm not brown, I'm a white european i just happen to work in the field
how can you unironically shill for ISIS? You do realize they're a global jihad movement right? Lets assume that under ISIS rule things are better, guess what? ISIS treats anyone not under their rule with brutality, that means anyone outside their districts. Even if they controlled the entirety of Syria, their next goal will be to expand into other regions in the world and expand their caliphate. So you went from a brutal tinpot dictatorship to the biggest hub for the world most insane religious zealots with aspirations of taking over the world. Dumb frick
I'm not shilling for ISIS, im just stating the obvious. Its easy to just demonize then as 7th century warlord savages but thats a very naive approach. The bureaucracy and state apparatus developed by ISIS in such conditions of total war is actually quite remarkable, very few if any insurrections have been able to make this leap to a functioning state without just siezing the levers of the previous regime. Also the whole world islamic conquest stuff is pretty moronic and its mostly western and russian propaganda. If you've ever read ISIS official releases, both the english language ones and the ones oriented towards local arabs, you'll notice that they have a very specific political ideology in terms of territory and reach. Its a very qutbian approach in which they simply seek to unify the ummah (the sunni islamic world) into a rather decentralized caliphate...as they themeselves would call it dar al islam, the islamic world or area of islam as oppossed to dar al haram (the west). Its just a different paradigm in regards to what states are and how they function, the westphalian nation system has failed the islamic middle east since the 1920s and its quite reasonable that they'd attempt alternatives however backward they might appear to an average amerimutt. Theres also a reason theyre the most successful franchise after McDonalds.
how can you unironically shill for ISIS? You do realize they're a global jihad movement right? Lets assume that under ISIS rule things are better, guess what? ISIS treats anyone not under their rule with brutality, that means anyone outside their districts. Even if they controlled the entirety of Syria, their next goal will be to expand into other regions in the world and expand their caliphate. So you went from a brutal tinpot dictatorship to the biggest hub for the world most insane religious zealots with aspirations of taking over the world. Dumb frick
>Because no matter how bad the government was, they weren't beheading people or instating Sharia Law.
This. Sometimes armed revolution is just not the answer because you cannot control it and it often ends up being hijacked by outsiders. Al Qaeda (and later IS) have done this all over the place in Africa as well as obviously the Middle East.
People here supported Assad because was nowhere near as bad as the Islamists trying to takeover the country. But what is always forgotten by westerners is why people revolted against Assad in the first place. Him and his government made life hell for a lot of the population. But he's still better than the alternative.
I call it "The Gaddafi Effect"
Where people realise that the grass was already as green as it can get even if part of the president's fist needs to be made out of iron.
It's all Black vs. Grey here, and Grey is always the better choice.
>be Arab in Arab country >get mad at 'secular' dictator for being corrupt and incompetent >support democracy thinking you're going to get some sort of European-style government out of it >instead the illiterate goatfrickers around you vote Islamists into power >Islamists immediately try to get rid of democracy because it's unislamic and start persecuting anyone they deem insufficiently Muslim >they're also just as corrupt and incompetent as the former dictator >realize your mistake and start supporting the return of military dictatorship
Because anyone there with a brain knew that living in an autocracy with somewhat freedom is far better than living under a theocracry where they will literally behead you if you pray the quran the wrong way.
The only reason the tourists on /k/ hates Assad is because he got support from Russia and Iran at the time. They don't give a frick about Syria.
yeh the hotel is open again (there are like...2 in the entire aleppo anyway?). Top floor is a (shitty) cafeteria where you can have some tea looking at the plaza. They are rebuilding some places but if you walk around everything becomes like pic related really fast
>why were you there?
Just walking around :^). I opened a thread when I was there and janitors deleted it, banned me for "using a proxy" and then they range banned the entire Aleppo. Was going to upload a lot of funny /k/ stuff >get any coochie?
kek no. You dont go around syria looking for females when you have Assad soldiers, checkpoints and long beared muslims in every corner. You bring too much attention just walking around as an obvious eurogay, but even SAA soldiers were pretty nice. It was kind of funny seeing their "WTF are you doing here man?" faces. You can party in damascus tho.
I took notice of the obvious "Worship your communist gods!" propaganda piece on the street-lamp.
You mean the assad posters/flags? They are obviously everywhere. Assad could be a lot of things, but they arent communists. But yes, his father and him have good relationship with north korea, china or russia.
>I opened a thread when I was there and janitors deleted it, banned me for "using a proxy" and then they range banned the entire Aleppo
why are /k/ jannies so gay
>kek no. You dont go around syria looking for females when you have Assad soldiers
I remember a ruski who would post in /sg/ when he was stationed in Latakia who would post selfies with syrian girls lmao. I guess you can get away with that when you work for the government.
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Anonymous
Oh I have a few selfies with syrian girls (and guys) foreigners are so strange to see that they want to interact with you and practice english. Too bad I don't have instagram they wanted to add me but its just that, selfies and fun, one nights stands is a surreal concept for them, and probably illegal. >latakia
Latakia was barely touched by the war. There is where the rich syrian families live so the general tone is way more relaxed and plenty of westernized women too because a lot of them studied abroad (didnt go).
pic related was hama, or homs, I don't remember all destroyed cities looked the same after a few days.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'll take the curly-haired one thank you very much.
>Basically a spin on the word "Seppo" but to be used against arrogant limeys that hate America while they become subjugated to fundamentalist islam.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leppo
Is it just me or was the ISIS/Syrian civil war threads much better back in 2012-2016 than the current Ukraine war threads
Because everyone was more or less on the same page (general Assad support or indifference). With the Ukraine war we're just another front in a massive, obvious East vs West propaganda war.
No, there is only a propaganda war from the Russian side. On /k/ there are a plurality of good faith voices standing with democracy in our communities.
Surely the narrative isn't carefully controlled on /k/, to the point where every thread could just have easily been a Reddit thread.
Surely.
At the end /sg/ was nothing but a name-/tripgay circlejerk. It's a good thing it was permanently moved to /misc/.
Those were the same ppl who post on /chug/ nowadays. Good riddance.
it wasn't important enough for glowies and useful idiots to ruin everything
same for givi threads
Middle Easterners are better at getting combat video than Slavic subhumans, and the music was banging.
>dude, dude, DUDE, you just have to watch this drone snuff film some moron put buttrock over, you just HAVE to!
t. SandBlack person subhuman
Even if I was a sandBlack person, the footage from my goatfrick war would be far and away better than this special needs mud wrestling to the death
Yeah, no. You should take your time and re-think about all the footage posted here.
Normies didn't give a frick so it was just us military autists shitposting about it.
I did at the time because the only reason we gave a frick was the Qatar / Turkey pipeline, the same reason Russia cared.
Now I'm not sure where I stand, I hate us traveling the world overthrowing elected governments and arming terrorist but I have also seen plenty of proof he was gassing civilains now.
I think in the end the world is just greed and there are no good guys.
>he was gassing civilains now.
Never happened
Of course it didn't anon, of course it didn't.
do your homework, each case was proven to have been from FSA groups
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v36/n08/seymour-m.-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
Eventually both sides gave up on trying to control the city, and instead decided to see how many deaths by warcrime they could achieve per 100k.
Aleppo, not Allegro.
Why did people support the regime?
Pro Government: Christian’s, Shia Muslims and other religious minorities concentrated in the western part of Syria.
Syrian opposition: Sunni Islamists of varying sects supported by Turkey and other gulf states.
Then you have the Kurds and formerly ISIS
The US and UK were also backers of the non-SDF opposition in the early through mid 2010s.
Yeah until the found out they were just arming Islamic extremists (again)
That was pretty obvious much earlier and wasn't the concern. It's only when Assad with Russian and Iranian help started gaining control of most of the country that the US, joined by some EU states, started backing the SDF.
July 2017 is when the US decided to "phase out" backing the rebels, so essentially 2018 is when they stopped supporting them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore
Wasn't there the drama over that one used car salesman spotting a Toyota from his place being used by ISIS or some other Islamic group?
It was a plumber from Texas and a Ford F-250
>Wasn't there the drama over that one used car salesman spotting a Toyota from his place being used by ISIS or some other Islamic group?
I think that was acquired from used car wholesellers.
The US hasn't stopped backing rebels outright. The FSA holdout in the southeast near the Iraq border is backed by the US and has a US military base as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Free_Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tanf_(U.S._military_base)#%22The_55_km_area%22
Trump cut off arms to rebels after meeting with Putin at the G-20. Based Republican Hawks struck again.
Every single minority supports the regime. The sunnis will deport and kill everyone if they ever get into power.
So the only option for the minorities is to keep ruling the place by force. Eventually another civil war will break out.
Because it turned out the "moderate pro-democracy rebels" were riddled with ISIS or ISIS sympathetic islamists.
>Why did people support the regime?
Because no matter how bad the government was, they weren't beheading people or instating Sharia Law.
>Because no matter how bad the government was, they weren't beheading people or instating Sharia Law.
This. Sometimes armed revolution is just not the answer because you cannot control it and it often ends up being hijacked by outsiders. Al Qaeda (and later IS) have done this all over the place in Africa as well as obviously the Middle East.
People here supported Assad because was nowhere near as bad as the Islamists trying to takeover the country. But what is always forgotten by westerners is why people revolted against Assad in the first place. Him and his government made life hell for a lot of the population. But he's still better than the alternative.
Thats complete bullshit. The assad regimes hold on power is only enabled by settling afghan shias in syria and having iranian and lebanese shia fighters defending the regime. ISIS has been kinda vilified to the point of being sandBlack person nazis but in reality the islamic state was genuinely the most stable and economically prosperous part of Syria from 2014-2018. Theres a reason ISIS was so succesful, and brutality was just a small part of that. From a western perspective sure ISIS might be committing human rights violations and all that but for the people in Syria ISIS provided a sense of normalcy and stability. The law was upheld, property rights were secure and bandits and robbers were punished accordingly, you cant say the same for regime controlled areas where various criminal groups (that became assadist militias) would frequently shake down sunni civilians, commit various crimes and plunder sunni businesses. There was a study from 2016 iirc using satellite footage and data to see the amount of traffic, commerce and repair in syria and oddly enough ISIS controlled areas seemed the most prosperous. Ofc this went down the drain especially because of the coalition air campaign but id like you to reconsider vatnik tier based assad propaganda, shits gotta be fricked up when the average levantine arab is willing to give up inhumane amounts of hair gel and tobacco just to live in a state with the rule of law, however harsh that law may be.
>The engoodening of ISIS
How’s the weather in Tel Aviv?
based objective understander
how does that Russian wiener taste?
Loved those "based" assad memes, very organic.
I'm sure there's not much that you actually love, you unappreciated dog.
damn
Oh my god why the frick do you have to shill for ISIS, of course they had higher levels of development, they didn't have to deal with nonstop airstrikes and artillery shelling like rebel areas.
It's not objective, it's just shilling for ISIS, no one on the Internet can be normal.
I'd rather have ISIS than a vatnik supporter
Objectively wrong, the coalition air campaign was primarily targeted against ISIS and they absorbed the most bombs both from the russian/regime bombings and from the US air campaign. Its a wonder they managed to function as long as they did under such an intense bombing campaign, remember how quickly gaddafi forces disintegrated when the coalition bombed libya, for comparison.
I'm not brown, I'm a white european i just happen to work in the field
I'm not shilling for ISIS, im just stating the obvious. Its easy to just demonize then as 7th century warlord savages but thats a very naive approach. The bureaucracy and state apparatus developed by ISIS in such conditions of total war is actually quite remarkable, very few if any insurrections have been able to make this leap to a functioning state without just siezing the levers of the previous regime. Also the whole world islamic conquest stuff is pretty moronic and its mostly western and russian propaganda. If you've ever read ISIS official releases, both the english language ones and the ones oriented towards local arabs, you'll notice that they have a very specific political ideology in terms of territory and reach. Its a very qutbian approach in which they simply seek to unify the ummah (the sunni islamic world) into a rather decentralized caliphate...as they themeselves would call it dar al islam, the islamic world or area of islam as oppossed to dar al haram (the west). Its just a different paradigm in regards to what states are and how they function, the westphalian nation system has failed the islamic middle east since the 1920s and its quite reasonable that they'd attempt alternatives however backward they might appear to an average amerimutt. Theres also a reason theyre the most successful franchise after McDonalds.
Your hands are brown.
how can you unironically shill for ISIS? You do realize they're a global jihad movement right? Lets assume that under ISIS rule things are better, guess what? ISIS treats anyone not under their rule with brutality, that means anyone outside their districts. Even if they controlled the entirety of Syria, their next goal will be to expand into other regions in the world and expand their caliphate. So you went from a brutal tinpot dictatorship to the biggest hub for the world most insane religious zealots with aspirations of taking over the world. Dumb frick
sup Moshe
I call it "The Gaddafi Effect"
Where people realise that the grass was already as green as it can get even if part of the president's fist needs to be made out of iron.
It's all Black vs. Grey here, and Grey is always the better choice.
>be Arab in Arab country
>get mad at 'secular' dictator for being corrupt and incompetent
>support democracy thinking you're going to get some sort of European-style government out of it
>instead the illiterate goatfrickers around you vote Islamists into power
>Islamists immediately try to get rid of democracy because it's unislamic and start persecuting anyone they deem insufficiently Muslim
>they're also just as corrupt and incompetent as the former dictator
>realize your mistake and start supporting the return of military dictatorship
This happened in every single Arab Spring country
immediately try to get rid of democracy because it's unislamic
based
They wanted to become a master race and live in a shithole.
Because anyone there with a brain knew that living in an autocracy with somewhat freedom is far better than living under a theocracry where they will literally behead you if you pray the quran the wrong way.
The only reason the tourists on /k/ hates Assad is because he got support from Russia and Iran at the time. They don't give a frick about Syria.
And what is A Leppo?
>And what is A Leppo?
>Medieval 2
Excellent taste
What mod is that btw?
>17 years since last Medieval title
actually I don't want them to make a third one, just a remake. Rome Remastered wasn't bad.
I want an Empire 2 with the whole world in it
since ziggers wanted to maximize casualties
What's a leppo?
>top image right
I was litterally there a few months ago kek
That's awesome anon
yeh the hotel is open again (there are like...2 in the entire aleppo anyway?). Top floor is a (shitty) cafeteria where you can have some tea looking at the plaza. They are rebuilding some places but if you walk around everything becomes like pic related really fast
share more anon, why were you there?
get any coochie?
>why were you there?
Just walking around :^). I opened a thread when I was there and janitors deleted it, banned me for "using a proxy" and then they range banned the entire Aleppo. Was going to upload a lot of funny /k/ stuff
>get any coochie?
kek no. You dont go around syria looking for females when you have Assad soldiers, checkpoints and long beared muslims in every corner. You bring too much attention just walking around as an obvious eurogay, but even SAA soldiers were pretty nice. It was kind of funny seeing their "WTF are you doing here man?" faces. You can party in damascus tho.
You mean the assad posters/flags? They are obviously everywhere. Assad could be a lot of things, but they arent communists. But yes, his father and him have good relationship with north korea, china or russia.
>I opened a thread when I was there and janitors deleted it, banned me for "using a proxy" and then they range banned the entire Aleppo
why are /k/ jannies so gay
>kek no. You dont go around syria looking for females when you have Assad soldiers
I remember a ruski who would post in /sg/ when he was stationed in Latakia who would post selfies with syrian girls lmao. I guess you can get away with that when you work for the government.
Oh I have a few selfies with syrian girls (and guys) foreigners are so strange to see that they want to interact with you and practice english. Too bad I don't have instagram they wanted to add me but its just that, selfies and fun, one nights stands is a surreal concept for them, and probably illegal.
>latakia
Latakia was barely touched by the war. There is where the rich syrian families live so the general tone is way more relaxed and plenty of westernized women too because a lot of them studied abroad (didnt go).
pic related was hama, or homs, I don't remember all destroyed cities looked the same after a few days.
I'll take the curly-haired one thank you very much.
that tree looks aggressive
that's pretty nuts to see, thanks for sharing.
I took notice of the obvious "Worship your communist gods!" propaganda piece on the street-lamp.
>I took notice of the obvious "Worship your communist gods!" propaganda piece on the street-lamp.
I worship the Italians
Mother or daughter?
Daughter
>you will never get to drive by the burned out hulk of a tank on your way to work
feels bad man
It was basically a siege and the defenders would not surrender
What's a leppo?
>Basically a spin on the word "Seppo" but to be used against arrogant limeys that hate America while they become subjugated to fundamentalist islam.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leppo
The three definitions all say totally different things and you quoted the one from 'IrishSoviet'. Black person
dead sunnis is good