Why did philips heads become to most popular screw head when they are objectively the worst?
Why did philips heads become to most popular screw head when they are objectively the worst?
Why did philips heads become to most popular screw head when they are objectively the worst?
A question I've pondered regularly especially since Robertson was around decades before Philips
The cope is that it 'cams out' instead of overtorquing and fricking whatever you're driving it into
>another Philips head seethe thread
Skill issue and none of you homosexuals know when to use the right tool for the job.
>The cope is that it 'cams out' instead of overtorquing and fricking whatever you're driving it into
This is a useful feature if you're not a brain dead Black personmonkey to tries to screw 2x4s with a Philips head screw
P1, P2, P3. It doesn't matter what you use when it's a buttery soft chinesium pozidrive screw.
Well you're using pz2 to drive a p2 there's you're problem.
chinamen didn't exist back then
>it's a buttery soft chinesium pozidrive screw.
>buttery soft
this
forget using PH and PZ interchangebly, not only are they made of playdoh, the tolerances are so dogshit that i keep an old chinesium screwdriver set since they will sooner fit them than stuff made to spec
Are you OK, anon?
no
something to do with ford and monopolies i think.
>camming out is a feature
Oh great. Maybe they should make your car automatically stop working whenever there's a warning light on the dash. Or the book you're reading separates from the binding if you read at an accelerated pace.
>car
well it's basically how anti-lock brakes work.
Ford tried to screw over Robertson; he’d make him rich but only if he signed over the rights to it. Robertson told him to take a walk, and out of Spite, Ford used his influence to ensure Robertson never really found its way out of Canada in any major way.
5/16 master race
I think it was ford, and his cars
Worst screw head is hex. Always gets stripped.
Second worst is torx.
PH and flat are the best, because you can even use JIS driver with PH and shit would work because of tolerance acceptance, while Torx and hex only work in creators head as in real conditions these tolerances are impossible and even slightest junk in head with no matter how good your screwdriver is will ruin your day for sure.
>Second worst is torx.
>PH and flat are the best,
I can only conclude that there is a quasi religious aspect to this debate that rages here endlessly. Forget phillips for now. Anyone who prefers flat to torx lives in an alternate universe where fasteners are all brand new and easily removed.
But just as no sane person would try to convert israelites to islam or vice versa, I'll respect and defend your preference for flat over torx no matter how idiotic it seems to me. Hell, maybe even add it to the bill of rights.
>But just as no sane person would try to convert israelites to islam or vice versa,
Go read about shabbatai tsvi and the sabbatean frankists.
"sane person"
Was an Ottomon Sultan sane?
oh, you mean the people who literally had to strangle their siblings to death upon acceding to the throne?
People who prefer flat over torx are straight up moronic even if the fasteners are "brand new and easily removed;" flat is always prone to slipping because the open ends don't "capture" the drive bit, and meanwhile if someone really wants to use a flat bit guess what torx can be driven with flat because the six points means it's basically like having a triple slot but not absolute dogshit.
>no sane person would convert israelites to islam or vice versa
Correct; any sane person would convert both to corpses.
The irony here is that despite square logically being one of the best shapes for driving in my experience it's almost as bad for stripping as hex insert and chinknesium phillips. Hex exterior is obviously the best followed by torx.
>car stop working whenever there's a warning light [or a 100GB "critical functionality" software update to fix the "hearby" spelling error in the EULA on page 825 Artical 47 paragraph 30 subsection z, or it was tuesday, etc]
EVs are already a thing, gramps.
Why would you buy a $300 bucket of meme drive screws instead of real ones? Sounds like user error.
>Hex exterior
What about square exterior?
The sides of the slot capture the screwdriver. You're using the wrong size of screwdriver
>no sane person would try to convert israelites to islam or vice versa
Its all semitism in the end.
>Anyone who prefers flat to torx lives in an alternate universe
Depends on the application. For tapped screws in metal that are going to be visible, and no chance of a power tool (like a gun), flatheads are pretty good.
Problem is most screwdrivers people own are not hollow ground, they are wedge shaped, which just means the screwdriver it self cams out of the screw. A properly fit flathead screwdriver can do amazing things.
I've removed tens of thousands of 100+ year old flathead screws using a driver set similar to pic related. Worst part about flatheads is that they have no standard size, so if you work with a lot of em, you need a driver set like pic.
>JIS driver
I did not know they existed before but I found this
https://www.webbikeworld.com/hozan-jis-screwdrivers-review/
Objectively the only non-moronic post in this thread. The simple reality is that the more a screw head resembles a circle, the more likely it is to become one when you try to actually use it.
this, you can also use Pozidrive with PH to moderate success
btw JIS drivers are so nice, even the cheap ones are good. unironically have to thank my Chinese overlords for manufacturing 3D printers with these screws and introducing me
works for me
How are screwheads cut?
I can see flat heads as a simple straight cut but what do they use to make the other designs?
stamping/pressing
Progressive stamping.
Slotted screw heads are cut.
Most other screw heads are formed by a precision made die that forms the into the screw head.
Who the frick likes flathead? Is that some kind of joke?
After seeing this debate rage for years I'm convinced that some morons actually believe they are wonderful. Except for restoring an antique gun I can't see why a sane person could avoid hating flatheads.
I like using them on long term fixes. Very satisfying to know that the next bastard will have a b***h of a time.
I thought about using security type heads but it's too obvious. I want it to seem approachable before it becomes personal as the frustration sets in.
Add a drop of loctite and Satan himself will kneel
large machined flat heads like setscrews on tools are amazing, look like new after a hundred years of use.
Most modern flathead screws and drivers are just shit that dont fit each other properly
hex is the worst one in existance.
The only reason I'd willingly use a flathead is as an emergency measure where the screw or bolt head has stripped, and I can grind out a slot. Now that I think of it, that isn't exactly "willing" either.
because Robertson was a greedy frick
When I have to make another trip to the hardware store at 4:30 for a fricking t-20 because my life is a mess and I brought a case full of miscellaneous drivers and a box of screws that don't fit any of them to a job, all because some starry-eyed screw-optimizing little gerbil of an engineer had one too many cups of coffee, yeah i'd be fine with the reliably half assed phillips
>When I have to make another trip to the hardware store at 4:30 for a fricking t-20
Look at this idiot and laugh. This moron blames "gerbil engineers" for his mental moronation.
Slotted is worse by far, shit strips faster than a $2 prostitute.
>just werks
>easy to manufacture back in the day
>you can improvise a screwdriver if you don't have one
>you don't necessarily need the exact correct sized screwdriver to get the job done
sometimes better is good's worst enemy
>Can quite literally use a penny.
Gonna let you in on a secret here.
Two syllables.
No really, it's that easy.
patents. Robertson was a Canadian, Philips was an American. Neither wanted to make their design globally free, so each country adopted different standards.
I'm from canada and Robertson woodscrews are way, way more common than anything else here.
I'd say the two exceptions would be Philips for drywall screws, and pamdrive (which is basically torx) screws for subfloors because of pic related.
god those things are so fricking fun to use
quik drive stand up driver? fun?
>patents. Robertson was a Canadian, Philips was an American. Neither wanted to make their design globally free, so each country adopted different standards.
>I'm from canada and Robertson woodscrews are way, way more common than anything else here.
Robertson tried licensing his screw design, but the guy he licensed the design to, used legal loopholes to try to screw Robertson out of royalties, and strip him of the design rights.
Robertson afterwards refused to license the design again.
Ford wanted to use the Robertson screw, but would have had to import the screws from Canada, creating potential supply chain issues, so he went with the Phillips Screw design instead.
The Pozidriv was an improvement over the Phillips design, but because it came into production after Phillips screws had become somewhat common, the Pozidriv design screws were rejected, because Phillips and Pozidriv screws and drivers are not compatible with each other, and the difference confused people.
Europe hadn’t heavily adopted use of Phillips screws, so Pozidriv screws were introduced there and became the standard cross head screw in Europe.
https://stevedmarineconsulting.com/w...ners117_04.pdf
I fricking hate Phillips God dam stripping bull shit.
>Oh we designed that for your own good trust us better it cams out we're doing you a favor. You can thank me later.
NO FRICK YOU GIVE TORX, ROBERTSON ANYTHING ELSE THE FRICKING PHILLIPS OR FLAT HEAD
Phillips Glass
This is a great bit, so I'm acknowledging it.
shatters when the correct torque has been achieved, right?
no it just keeps going in a loop
Keeps the tip of your screwdriver in the screw, rather than slipping out like a flathead.
>buy box of T25 screws
>comes with a T25 bit
>screw head is actually more like a T27.5
>loose as frick, no grip at all
>screw immediately falls off the bit
>wobbles to the point where it's almost impossible to start one handed
>your bit on death grip
There is nothing more satisfying than getting to use my big flathead screwdriver on a huge flathead fastener, it breaking loose and unthreading no slippage
>Why did philips heads become to most popular screw head when they are objectively the worst?
Because Henry Ford threw a hissy fit when Robertson wouldn't give him exclusive rights to the Robertson screw
Why has no one mentioned Spyder Drive screws here yet? You know, that satanic abomination that looks like a Torx but has 8 flanges instead of 6. So you get the treat of trying to jam a Torx bit into it, eventually realizing your mistake, then spending 35 minutes emptying out all your toolboxes and bags to look for the ONE Spyder Drive bit they gave you inside the $300 bucket of fasteners
That shit's for psychopaths
I just use an angle grinder and cut a slot in it for a flat head
Robertson.
Better question, why do people call them all these moronic names. "Phillips" "Flathead" "torx". Oh, you mean plus, minus, and star? And sometimes square? When you say "phillips" you mean "plus"? And flathead means "minus", because that's what they are? And don't even give me this JIS bullshit either, that's so specific the meaning in common usage is clear.
You only need plus and minus. Period. That's what they are.
You also need a zero, which is what happens after they strip
Very true. Then you get out the grinder to turn them into O-
Give me torx or give me death
I recently bought an old yankee type screwdriver what are some good bit options to use with an adapter?
People who prefer phillips are limp-wristed homosexuals who have never worked a day in their lives.
Has project farm or anyone else ever performed a comparison video or report on these fricking fittings because every time these threads pop up we just get a lot of empty chatter and repetition why can't we see the hard data?
here's some hard data: your gay
>here's some hard data: your gay
you're
The top of his head...looks like another certain star...
You're probably using the wrong driver on the right screw.
these look like popes
Based on my experience in unscrewing slotted #6 electrical box screws full of paint and unscrewing torx subfloor screws full of leveling compound, I would choose torx.
of all the bit types they chose to illustrate they choose a 6-sided star. That's an interesting choice.
It all about marketing. Phillips head screw, named after the queen of england's late husband, has a ring to it. While "flat head" screw is just boring, and unlikely to spark the imagination.
Millions if not billions of people have gripped the handle of a phillips driver, and jammed their shaft into that x-marks the spot hole, and twisted away, screwing deeper and deeper anticipating that familiar "creek" as the material they're working with reaches climax, you rewarded for a job well done.
flat head screws are the worst, try putting your tool in the slot perfectly centered, no you end up off a little every time, you bit starts wobbling like it's drunk, slips out of the slit and you stab yourself in the hand.
the only reason they keep flat head screws around, is for electricians. the electricians union uses it as a gauge for retirement. you cant stick a Phillips in an electrical outlet by mistake, but a flathead goes right in if you're not paying attention. so when an electrician zaps himself, you know it's time to retire
>named after the queen of england's late husband
new moronation
no square?
Did not read the entire thread but the original reason was automated assembly. Obviously, there are much better choices now.
that screw has a David star on it... coincidence?
tried screwing some 60mm t20 and pz2 screws one handed horizontally earlier and the pz2 were easier to get in, t20 wiggled too much. anyone else noticed that?
Ford. Ford selected the Phillips head screw design over the Robertson. The rest is history.
Triangle(tamper resistant) and Robinson(square heads) are the only valid answers for screws. anyone telling you otherwise is an indian "contractor" who asks hardware store employees for advice.
Robinson are slightly worse durability wise because because they can become stripped but are harder to strip than Phillips.
Triangle screws are by far superior and it comes down to basic math. Triangles are the most structurally sound basic shape, there are only 3 points of failure (corners) and require more of the screw to be forced than a Robinson which had 4 points of failure.
robertson beats out triangle though because the driver is easy to repair if it strips, and it's easier to Black person rig something that'll fit if a screw strips
triangle, if you dont have the exact right driver, you're frickin done
I'm stealing this image to use on /misc/
Thanks!
behold
the master race
is that a wax screw?
that is a tapcon, my son
so a wax screw
its weird i used to be phillips gang but then i started working on newer bikes with hexes and now im kinda tempted to replace every screw and bolt on my bikes to hexes
sick of thes b***hes rounding off