Leo gunner assessment of Ukrainian Bradley and Leo column under attack at 12:13.
By now we can probably all admit that Ukies fricked up. According to the gunner the fricked up in quite a lot of ways too. He blames inexperience as
>muh minefield
Doesn't excuse most of the mistakes they made, including just not deploying smoke for no reason.
But why do easterlings keep fricking up the combined arms aspect of the war? Ukrainians at least seem to be trying and they've seen some success, but they still suck shit. Meanwhile russkis don't even bother trying and just keep sending cannonfodder to their deaths.
Where were the gepards? I know they're limited in number and the Russian helicopters have long range, but their mobile radars alone would be invaluable and chances are they could at least try to shoot down missiles shot from 10km away. Considering their success with small and fast targets their chances probably wouldn't even be so bad. The few Leo2A6s the ukies have should be worth protecting as well. Even if the damage wasn't that bad, they're still out of service until they're repaired.
Did no allied advisers go "try to have some air cover when you attack"?
your thread wasn't getting any replies so you started samegayging eh?
Meds
kek, absolutely no responses for 5 minutes so one anon who just happens to have the exact same opinion as the OP chimes in with a non-response.
then i get no responses to my post for two minutes, after which suddenly two people respond telling me to take my pills, one 7 seconds after the other.
very organic
It literally is organic you schizo. I don't know what you want. Synchronicity maybe.
to me it's just pretty obvious that OP tried to save his failing thread by samegayging, that's kind of sad.
Take your meds homosexual.
Screenshots aren't a proof dipshit.
The poster number at the bottom of the screen was, newBlack person.
I'm nit even him, you're just fricking moronic. I hope you're actually new and not just too moronic to have figures that out in like 10 years.
Post some proof of you being white please.
How much wiener do you suck daily, homosexual?
Get PrepHolex so you can tell new posters apart.
And why does the thread make you so butthurt?
i have used PrepHolex for like a year but i have no idea that was a feature, care to elaborate?
GTFO you shitposting reddit Black.
We've already been iver this a million times. Its harder to do combined arms warfare if you don't suppress the enemy's ability to call in fire support. Its less about the mines and more about the artillery support immobilizing tanks and mine clearing vehicles. The KA-52 did not do anything.
trips of truth, the Ka-52 crap is just another case of russians needing to bullshit even in victory
>even in victory
What victory?
>We managed to inflict a couple losses on the enemy while our defenses were pushed back and we suffered significantly more.
That's not what anyone sane defines as a victory.
The frustrating part about this kamov spam is because it's still, by all accounts, complete dogshit for an "advanced" and expensive "attack" helicopter. It did a decent job here as a defensive, airborne ATGM platform... but you know what? This is bare minimum, and it's nothing an upgraded hind or other cheaper platforms couldn't do just as well.
>The KA-52 did not do anything.
It could've been countered easily, they just didn't. Watch the video before going full moron.
OP here, you're a brainlet. How do you differentiate between normal people responding and samehomosexualry if it's literally just based on your hurt feelings?
You need go the frick back, this isn't about whether or not anon fricked with his screenshots, it was in your power to just check the number of IDs provided. If you're too moronic for that get an extension that does so for you. PrepHolex literally tells you.
i don't give a frick about the number of ID's, doesn't stop anyone from samegayging, proxies exist.
>verification not required
Okay, schizo.
I am demoralised now.
No plans survive first contact with the enemy, moron. If you knew anything about military history, you'd have that idiom in your head already.
>don't deploy smoke because muh armchair general idiom
How the frick have vatBlack folk buckbroken you this hard? It's okay to admit mistakes, even better if you correct them. Get your head out of your ass, c**t.
>hurr durr they did not deploy smoke during combat
>call off everything and sue for peace quickly
We see you chugfugee
I really hope you are quadriplegic. You think we can't recognise your "pen"?. We know you post this garbage 14 hours a day.
>>hurr durr they did not deploy smoke during combat
Among about 13 other mistakes outlined by an actually competent Leo crewman in the video.
>>call off everything and sue for peace quickly
Stop being an oversensitive pussy.
>We see you chugfugee
Literally never posted there and have been here for longer than you've been jerking off, zoomer.
Sounds legit
What fricking air cover, you moron? Ukraine has been begging for aviatio and hasn't gotten any. They're doing exactly what they can given the situation. Exert pressure on a wide front, bring Russian reserves into the battlespace, and hit their logisitcs. This is unfortunately going to be somewhat attritional and losses are inevitable, especially with inexperienced units.
russians started to spam this board with this ka shitcopter like when they spammed it with shaheds. Why?
Because they're working.
The Shaheds were "successful" at hitting buildings until the introduction of mass AAA.
The Kamovs are also very effective, but this time they're knocking out Bradleys and Leos, rather than civilian apartment buildings. They're also going to be harder to solve.
It isn't clear whether an easy solution exists. I guess bring more AA but that's not always easy when the thing is firing from maximum range and is very mobile.
That was good for you to give an example of their propaganda.
We don't need to take their word for it.
>trusting the english goverment
>implying England has a government
Pajeet, please. You literally had one job to do (again)
Ka-52's have surely changed a lot since we last heard of them
I doubt it. It's the same helicopters, the same pilots. The only thing that's different is the Ukrainians need to play offense, out from their SAM umbrella and out of cover, without all of their assets well deployed because they have no idea how to manage combined arms. And Russia is picking off the columns that are basically helpless.
Now this is coping.
funny you would say that because its word for word what vatniks have been saying for 1y+ now
I really don't care what vatniks do or don't say, and I really don't care if you label me one. I'm the one calling it as it is. You're the one screeching because you hate the facts.
The reality is alot of the AAA that's good against Shaheds like Gepards isn't necessarily a silver bullet against a Kamov, which can outrange it unless the pilot gets wienery. Instead, you really need SAMs, like more Stingers, Crotales. But even the smaller SHORAD SAMs will be tricky to utilize if the pilots play safe. Albeit, when you play safe it's harder to have your way and just decimate everything easily. You miss shots, lose opportunities etc.
jfc what a homosexual
>The reality is alot of the AAA that's good against Shaheds like Gepards isn't necessarily a silver bullet against a Kamov,
Just shoot the missiles.
This isn't Warthunder. Seeing a missile coming is very difficult, and hitting it without wasting all of your ammo is basically impossible.
Exactly anon, this isn't fricking warthunder. You don't manually aim a gepard and don't need to see the target in the first place.
Pseudo intellectual fudd.
>don't need to see the target in the first place.
Love to know how the vehicle is going to know a missile is on its way and when to start firing.
Unless your idea is to just face the helicopter as soon as you see it and pull the trigger, hoping a missile is coming and that the airbursts will work, which will, again, waste all of its ammo and probably do nothing.
>seeing
What the frick are you talking about?
Anon, it has a built in radar. There are Videos of Ukrainians using it to shoot down missiles online where you can even see the wienerpit.
Literally just select the moving dot on the radar with a joystick. It's peak 80s aesthetic.
How fricking moronic are you? Why are you so confident while knowing less than nothing?
Says something like NEW ID or FIRST POST OF ID at the top of a post of one. I'm currently on my cell so 8 can't show you but it should be activated by default.
Just hover over the number in brackets, that's the number of that poster. I.e. 2 fir second unique poster.
I'd mention it more often but it's a good way to weed out newBlack folk pretending to be oldgays like that other guy who probably just came here as a tourist and now feels like he can pretend he's a /k/ommando just because he hates Russians too.
>There are Videos of Ukrainians using it to shoot down missiles
>Cruise missiles = ATGM
lmao. I'm the moron? There is no video of it shooting down an ATGM, which is not just smaller but would have an atypically miniscule RCR since it's coming straight for the vehicle or one nearby rather than flying in profile. Won't be detected by radar. It would be difficult to detect by the optical sight as well.
have a nice day fool.
missiles = ATGM
Nobody said that and it's not relevant to whether they need to "see" their target, autismo. And yes, there's no reason to believe they couldn't shoot down an atgm started in the air from 10km away. You're conflating different things a getting BTFO'd
You were wrong and embarrassed yourself, live with it.
>Nobody said that
>You: "Because there's videos of hit hitting cruise missiles, it can hit an ATGM!"
Squirm harder.
>When you said the Gepard wouldn't "see", you meant physically see! I'm referring to the radar!
Your idiocy is not my problem. "See" is a common synonym for "detect" when discussing radar.
Nor would you be correct either way, since the radar isn't going to see an ATGM.
>there's no reason to believe
It's a minuscule nothing. Forget about the track radar, it won't even appear on the search radar. They'll be completely blind beyond knowing "There's a helicopter I can't hit hovering out there".
Good luck finding any proof a Gepard will detect, let alone track an ATGM flying directly for it, an incredible task for a tiny 1970s setup.
>>You: "Because there's videos of hit hitting cruise missiles, it can hit an ATGM!"
>Squirm harder.
But I literally didn't say that which is why you hadn't make up a quote lmao
>Your idiocy is not my problem. "See" is a common synonym for "detect" when discussing radar.
>Nor would you be correct either way, since the radar isn't going to see an ATGM
Kek, okay vatnik. You're wrong though.
>It's a minuscule nothing. Forget about the track radar, it won't even appear on the search radar. They'll be completely blind beyond knowing "There's a helicopter I can't hit hovering out there".
They can detect drones, moron. If course they cab detect missiles. They all have the Qatar upgrade.
>Good luck finding any proof a Gepard will detect, let alone track an ATGM flying directly for it, an incredible task for a tiny 1970s setup.
They don't have the 1970s setup, they're all upgraded.
Kek, you keep on moving the goalpost but you just can't get out of your original embarrassing warthunder mindset.
>hadn't
*had to
Fricking phone posting.
>But I literally didn't say that :*~~*~~*~~
What is paraphrasing for "There are Videos of Ukrainians using it to shoot down missiles"? Which indicates that because it can shoot down cruise missiles, it can hit ATGMs, which is utter bullshit.
>They can detect drones
Realizing you're in hot water over the cruise missile reference, you've switched to drones. It's not going to help you.
>Vikhr
Mass 45 kg
Wingspan 380 mm
>Shahed
Mass 200 kg
Wingspan 2.5 m
The Shahed is a 747 compared to a Vikhrs, and that's looking from the side.
>They don't have the 1970s setup
Show me any upgrades to these Qatar Gepards that would be able to detect dead-on ATGMs.
>What is paraphrasing
Not what you did, it means saying the same with different words, not making new meanings up.
>Realizing you're in hot water over the cruise missile reference, you've switched to drones.
Kek
If they can detect a small, mostly plastic, drone from several kilometers away they can handle missiles, vatBlack person.
>The Shahed is a 747 compared to a Vikhrs, and that's looking from the side.
Don't care, didn't ask, doesn't matter.
>Show me any upgrades to these Qatar Gepards that would be able to detect dead-on ATGMs.
Try wikipedia, vatnik.
>they can handle missiles
Still waiting for a shred of evidence to show that's true, particularly seeing ATGMs being fired directly at it
>Try wikipedia
>Doesn't even list any upgrades whatsoever for Qatar
ie, you have nothing. Thanks for playing.
What can the Ukrainians do with the tools they have?
They can slow down, use their better artillery for counter arty duties, and slowly nibble away one village at a time while Russians send their reserves to retake these "crumple zones". A slow, painful advance but not the thunder run of one column ziggers and kraut milbloggers are still obsessed about.
The only caviat is, that's what they've been doing for the last week.
>A slow, painful advance but not the thunder run of one column ziggers and kraut milbloggers are still obsessed about.
>kraut milbloggers
New obsession just dropped.
Sneed it or feed it?
Is a slow painful advance still considered blitzkrieg? Because I thought that is what combined arms means, blitzkrieg.
Would you say nato doctrine overlaps more with azov and other nazi larpers than soviet doctrine?
You must be the OP, after all your criticisms, the only advice you have is to use more sams but perhaps not the smaller ones?
>Because I thought that is what combined arms means, blitzkrieg.
The frick?
>Because I thought that is what combined arms means, blitzkrieg.
>And Russia is picking off the columns that are basically helpless.
Yes, they're picking off sooo many helpless columns. So many that they have to spam the same one video of the same one column over and over and over and over.
I think the solution very well exists, but I suspect Ukraine doesn't have the aircraft force to do it for now. I know it's a bit of a meme by now, but destroying helicopters on the ground or suppressing them in the air would be the most efficient way of countering them, and both seem to require aircraft to do so.
You can't do combiner arms warfare effectively without air superiority, you Black personhomosexual.
>you can't have air defence assets without air superiority
Moron.
>including just not deploying smoke for no reason.
This is literally all tankers of all armies
Shit's weird, I dunno how it isn't the first button you always hit when under fire
>This is literally all tankers of all armies
Literally just Russians, Israelis and whoever else isn't white.
And Ukraine but I've seen them do it all few times. Western armies do better.
Beweis erstmal, dass du deutsch kannst, du Hurensohn, bevor du irgend ne Scheiße hier als "Deutscher" postest
Der OP ist 100 pro ein scheißepostierender Polacke.
Hello Julian Röpcke
>scheißepostierender
I love you krauts, never change
Verpisst euch wieder nach Kohlchan ihr hirnlosen Schwanzlutscher, der Thread ist noch nicht einmal deutsch.
Officers and NCOs would have years of intense training in their speciality in a NATO military. It would all be second-nature by the time they're actually in combat. The Ukranians are lucky to get a few weeks of training before they're thrown into the fight.
>Entire batallions are trained by NATO for months and i'll just ignore it because it doesn't fit my narrative
Fricking /misc/ tourist
Just
Press
The
Button
How is there not a single guy in the crew who goes
>we should deploy smoke
What the frick is the loader doing? Not like he's doing any loading. Give him a smoke button.
Because combined arms warfare is one of the most difficult things a military can do. It requires excellent coordination, training, equipment, and officer and soldier trust.
Ukraine doesn't have most of these. There's only so much you can do with accelerated NATO training. Their grunts are better trained than Russian mobiks, but not enough to be consistently coordinated and to never panic. Their veterans who learned through experience may have been picking up bad habits or lessons that don't work in combined arms. They have a wild mixture of old officers who stick to soviet doctrine and younger officers who use NATO strategy, it's a coin flip who will be your commanding officer. They still lack equipment, they can't deploy as much AA as they need to the frontlines, because ziggers, smartly, keep targeting their cities with their hypermeme rockets. It doesn't matter if all the rockets get shot down, they pin the AA to the cities. Still not enough artillery ammo, never enough artillery ammo. Not enough demining equipment. And they have the most varied set of equipment types of all shapes, sizes, languages and standards in the world right now. They have sandBlack person technicals, Maxim guns, Pions and BMPs working next to Panzerhaubitze 2000, HIMARS, Storm Shadows and Patriots. And they don't have a spaceship command center that sees everything everywhere all at once like the US. They likely get a lot of intel from the US, but they're not in the control room; there's always going to be a delay before they get the intel to act upon.
Ukraine's army is a hot mess that works through being very adaptive and learning quickly, a jack of all trades and a master of none.
Test
>Why Can't Slavs into Combined Arms
because they don't have the equipment, set up and no air support you moron
Wrong.
They have maneuver units, mobile artillery and mobile air defence assets, even if we pretend they have 0 actual air power left combined arms warfare is still possible and local air superiority is always possible.
america's combined arms is heavily dependent on air superiority
without it america would be fricking up the same way as ukies did
usa is still being fricked up by gorilla warfare because air superiority won't help them there
Nations managed it in WWII without air superiority, anon. That's a cope.
Russia has air superiority and is just too incompetent. Air superiority is clearly not the critical factor.
>Nations managed it in WWII without air superiority, anon. That's a cope.
they didn't manage shit, ww2 was a huge chaos and no better that OP's moronic example
>Russia has air superiority
it doesn't so shut up with you moronic claims
>they didn't manage shit, ww2 was a huge chaos and no better that OP's moronic example
Okay vatnig. Just because your mongoloid hordes couldn't manage it doesn't mean America and Germany didn't.
>it doesn't so shut up with you moronic claims
Nice falseflag.
>A commonly referenced quote is “The reason the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices it on a daily basis." This is believed to have been said by a German General following World War II
>Nice falseflag.
>has no argument
>maybe if I repeat a nonsensical made up quote it will replace the US Army doctrine in recorded history
Kek, how new are you?
That's not a rhetorical question.
>america's combined arms is heavily dependent on air superiority
The only reason you say that is because America has always had air superiority.
air superiority and recon is the most important part of combined arms
>Why Can't Slavs into Combined Arms
it was one instance of one attack of one commander fricking up you moron
they are doing well otherwise
Every single tank and apc fricked up by mot reacting properly either and I don't think the guy who led the column was able to choose his assets, otherwise some aa might have been high intensity the list.
as I said it was one instance of them fricking up
they don't have the training and set up as america the western trained soldier are mostly still in reserve
combined arms is just air superiority+tanks
>ukies have no superiority
>why are slavs so bad at combined arms?
>moron
>combined arms is just air superiority+tanks
VatBlack person mindset. Explains a lot.
*Fails to take Kiev while the whole world laughs*
>why are slavs bad at combined arms
>ukies raping russians across the front
It's worse then that there a coup underway like wagner vs MOD, grab popcorn
>Why Can't Slavs into Combined Arms
You can't do combined arms without air support.
Picrel is Leo2 and Eurocopter.
>Why Ukraine is not Burgerland.
These threads are so stupid. Ukraine doesn't have the luxury of having the Win War Button.