There are tons of them.
They all got locked down because ofroad culture is cancer that fricks up everything they touch.
Trash everywhere, oil everywhere, intentionally dug mud pits in roads.
I drove over the roads before the moronic trucktards dug out the pits and got the roads closed down.
Trucktards don't make the roads, the logging cartel does and the logging cartel closes them because of the mud pits you mouth breathing reatard.
>Trucktards don't make the roads, the logging cartel does
That depends on where you are, Jeep clubs built a lot of trails in the '50s and '60s. One of the big problems there is that they were built for the size and weight of a WW2/postwar Jeep and there's enough leeway for reasonable modern Jeeps or midsize trucks, but now people are trashing them with Raptors and lifted HDs and shit.
This.
Offroad culture is complaining that the DNR is out to get them. No dumbfrick its because you sunk your jeep and didn't retrieve it for a week.
it's called the mall parking lot, hunny. saged
There are tons of them.
They all got locked down because ofroad culture is cancer that fricks up everything they touch.
Trash everywhere, oil everywhere, intentionally dug mud pits in roads.
I'm tired of people who do out hobbies like rock climbing, mountain biking, and backpacking acting like their opinion matters when ohv permits and gun/hunting related taxes pay for most of our forest. They need to be taxed and permitted like the rest of us. 25$ for a day pass to use the trail butthole plus 10% tax on your gear. Also, I do those hobbies, but offroading to said activity and being able to camp away from people makes the trip 10x more fun.
Also, your sedan doesn't have the clearance to do a trail, go back to plebbit lol.
On the east coast, there needs to be 5x the amount of off road trails than we currently have. Put a game trail on the trail and heavily fine the people littering. Off road trails are not that bad for the enviornment when compared to paved roads or clear cutting for shitty homes/highways for the gays that just moved here. Also, if they removed the paved roads, there would be significantly less maintenance overhead for the park service. The State you moved from destroys your car at a faster rate than a dirt road would (salt), and you don't own it, so what's the difference.
>Taxes pay for my forests
Holy fricking shit you're a mouthbreathing moron. Forests are free and cost nothing to grow.
My taxes go to subsadize cutting down the forests so we can ship it to China or use it for boomers to build McManshions.
Subsadizing forestry is awful and pushed by corrupt as frick politicians and idiot boomers who think the only way to build a house is with a semi truck full of lumber.
>reddit spacing >reading comprehension issues >brings up stick built meme
Yikes
>Sedan doesn't have the clearance
Lol, JFC you're illeterate.
Yes, my sedan does just fine on off road trails until you idiot off road morons rut out the roads with your stupidit: Which is why you got banned in the first place moron.
I say again: my 1990 Chevy caviler has done more off-roading than most trucktards have done their whole life.
While I'll agree mall crawlers don't take their pavement queens off road, a dirt road that doesn't require 4wd isn't offroading. You b***hing and moaning about trail erosion while dragging your welfare mobile down it is hilarious. It's rutted out because tards like your self don't understand how a tcase works and why it's useful.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>dirt roading that doesn't require 4wd isn't offroading
lol
lamo
Stay mad. The gates are closed because you're stupid, not because I'm a bad driver.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>boomer thinks roads created by the army corps of engineers can be privatized >I remind him it can't be with my bolt cutters/shotgun everytime >also by your definition, driving on level grass in your yard is offroading
>I'm fit
No you aren't
>here comes the portlandians >ACTUALLY, YOURE DESTROYING THE PLANET, WHY DONT YOU USE THIS HYPERLIGHT FOLDABLE UNICYLE FROM REI LIKE I DO FOR BACKCOUNTRY EXPLORATION. >YOUVE GOTTA BE UNHEALTHY I KNOW IT >YOURE POLLUTING THE TRAIL WITH GARBAGE >proceeds to smoke pot at every trail head in their subaru with 90 lgbtq+ schitzo stickers on the back >complains that local town that they parasited too doesn't have high density housing and le barcade >tried to shut down outdoor activities they don't politically align with >dunning Kruger themselves into the conversation they know nothing about by stating their fwd sedan is somehow capable enough to do more than a dirt road >THE FOREST IS FREE, THESE ROADS AND LOGISTICSTICAL NETWORK OF UTILITIES IN PARKS ARE NATURAL
On another note, two things:
1. If yankees tell you it's a private road, and the army corps of engineers built the road, it can't be a private road legally. You can call the corps and tell them to come remove the gate if the transplant refuses. Yes, I've mined salt doing this. Multi million dollar 'private' communities had to conceede lol
2. if you want more trails, get active with organizations in your local area and get with blueribbon coalition. Offroading is a lot like firearms, they will try to erode little by little until there's nothing left.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't matter who built the gates or the roads--it matters who currently administers the land which is most likely going to be DNR or BLM which fall under the Department of agriculture.
The roads are there for logging and that's it. The roads didn't used to be gated and it was very common for locals to drive them--this was the 80s/90s. Then offroading got big and people started fricking up the roads by driving like idiots and purpusfully rutting out the roads for "funzies."
The loggers got pissed because the roads were all fricked so they locked down all the access roads and claimed it was a safety and liability issue--when it was really a cost thing. They got tired of spending shit tons on roads because you fricking morons kept recking them.
I not only want the roads closed I want them to also ban logging. Car culture is cancer.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I can't argue in the present so I'm going to rewrite the past >I only care about the working american in my ivory tower when I can use them in my argument
Those same loggers off road and want to use those roads our taxes funded, ask me how I know. Also you're right, who cares who built the gate, it shouldn't be there anyways 🙂
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Trucktards don't make the roads, the logging cartel does
That depends on where you are, Jeep clubs built a lot of trails in the '50s and '60s. One of the big problems there is that they were built for the size and weight of a WW2/postwar Jeep and there's enough leeway for reasonable modern Jeeps or midsize trucks, but now people are trashing them with Raptors and lifted HDs and shit.
It doesn't matter who built the gates or the roads--it matters who currently administers the land which is most likely going to be DNR or BLM which fall under the Department of agriculture.
The roads are there for logging and that's it. The roads didn't used to be gated and it was very common for locals to drive them--this was the 80s/90s. Then offroading got big and people started fricking up the roads by driving like idiots and purpusfully rutting out the roads for "funzies."
The loggers got pissed because the roads were all fricked so they locked down all the access roads and claimed it was a safety and liability issue--when it was really a cost thing. They got tired of spending shit tons on roads because you fricking morons kept recking them.
I not only want the roads closed I want them to also ban logging. Car culture is cancer.
>boomer thinks roads created by the army corps of engineers can be privatized >I remind him it can't be with my bolt cutters/shotgun everytime >also by your definition, driving on level grass in your yard is offroading
[...] >here comes the portlandians >ACTUALLY, YOURE DESTROYING THE PLANET, WHY DONT YOU USE THIS HYPERLIGHT FOLDABLE UNICYLE FROM REI LIKE I DO FOR BACKCOUNTRY EXPLORATION. >YOUVE GOTTA BE UNHEALTHY I KNOW IT >YOURE POLLUTING THE TRAIL WITH GARBAGE >proceeds to smoke pot at every trail head in their subaru with 90 lgbtq+ schitzo stickers on the back >complains that local town that they parasited too doesn't have high density housing and le barcade >tried to shut down outdoor activities they don't politically align with >dunning Kruger themselves into the conversation they know nothing about by stating their fwd sedan is somehow capable enough to do more than a dirt road >THE FOREST IS FREE, THESE ROADS AND LOGISTICSTICAL NETWORK OF UTILITIES IN PARKS ARE NATURAL
On another note, two things:
1. If yankees tell you it's a private road, and the army corps of engineers built the road, it can't be a private road legally. You can call the corps and tell them to come remove the gate if the transplant refuses. Yes, I've mined salt doing this. Multi million dollar 'private' communities had to conceede lol
2. if you want more trails, get active with organizations in your local area and get with blueribbon coalition. Offroading is a lot like firearms, they will try to erode little by little until there's nothing left.
Frick living in logging country place like North Idaho you cant do shit with fullsize off roading. The soil is loose and extremely prone to erosion and all you can do is hike. Hell even logging companies wont promote anything due to liability of logging trucks that weigh 100k wont give a frick about a lil jeep. Seems like the only place you can off road a truck or a Jeep is in the desert where the land isnt worth frick all. But who wants to drive more than 30 mins even an hour tops is pushing it for a day trip. Think I might just have to go to therapy and give up my passion for off roading,
https://i.imgur.com/BtkwQGK.jpg
Sorta sucks as to how far you have to live just to get off onto a dirt road. Even 20 mins or so of driving just to hit dirt is frustration. Just wanna rock that axle and get some dirt on the tire with frens. But even they dont have that capable of cars or gas money to spare. Just usually pack into my car and have a small fire with a 6 pack or something. Even the snow keeps us away, so we only get to go off road like 3 weekends a year.
its called getting a job you 18 year old loser
2 months ago
Anonymous
>paying $300/hr to talk to a leftist twink who moved to your state a year ago who's entire education has been warped by the dsm 5
On topic though, there's still a few places left on the east coast, and it seems like people are buying private lands to bypass all the homosexuals. Hell, im building a trail on my 50 acres. Theres about 3 private trails opening up near me, but if I have the time and money, I'd open up an ngo on the east coast that specifically targets trails that were abandoned by the army corps of engineers and have them reopened. Anyone can do this BTW. If it was public use 60 years ago, you can sue to make it public use today. If the corps built it, they have to cut the gate.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm dumping money into fricking up a forest to make a muh truck trail
You wonder why PrepHole people hate you idiots.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure how you navigate life being this moron but I'm certain you drive a big truck and don't know shit about government spending or income.
The less accessible nature is to morons like you the happier people like me are.
I voted to spend your tax dollars on those gates....zero regrets.
2 months ago
Anonymous
And I'm sure you have gynecomastia from ipa overindulgence
>I'm dumping money into fricking up a forest to make a muh truck trail
You wonder why PrepHole people hate you idiots.
>my manufactured consensus and very basic concept of intralogistical problems is reality
Idk why you're still in this thread lol
On topic, again, doesn't PA have a good bit of jeep trails? Debating on visiting this summer and hitting a few with primitive camping near by.
>Sedan doesn't have the clearance
Lol, JFC you're illeterate.
Yes, my sedan does just fine on off road trails until you idiot off road morons rut out the roads with your stupidit: Which is why you got banned in the first place moron.
I say again: my 1990 Chevy caviler has done more off-roading than most trucktards have done their whole life.
I do not have a jeep, I have a normal SUV with no front skid plate (sadly) and fricked up the differential by doing so many rock-studded dirt roads in search of trails.
It's not like I want to be on dirt roads in poor condition, I don't find it fun, I find it a nail-biting experience because I don't really have the proper car for it. I mean, I've never gotten stuck or close to it, but driving over rocks is always a risk.
I've gotten all-terrain tires but really I just wish dirt roads were in better condition, or, you know paved. I don't see the appeal of "jeep trails", except if that's the only way to get to a trail or view.
4x4let here with no lockers
thick mud is best avoided!
Breh, if civilization collapses I have millions of anti-gun lib cucks who's cars I can burn through at my leisure. I'm not going to piss away pre-collapse monies on something I'm going to just steal as the need arises. >Reading between the lines: Guns > Ammo >>>>>>>Muh truk
Prob because boomers etc dont want you to have the freedom? Ya know only authority figures are allowed these days.
My gpa used to motor scooter in the back of the hills then boomers came along and ranger cite him for enjoying the outdoors. Make no mistake they want you on the vr goggles eating goy slop and watching sportsball.
Sorta sucks as to how far you have to live just to get off onto a dirt road. Even 20 mins or so of driving just to hit dirt is frustration. Just wanna rock that axle and get some dirt on the tire with frens. But even they dont have that capable of cars or gas money to spare. Just usually pack into my car and have a small fire with a 6 pack or something. Even the snow keeps us away, so we only get to go off road like 3 weekends a year.
mudding/offroading/overlanding is kind of cringe. I had some friends in college that would go most weekends and I'd go along sometimes, and yeah it's cool blasting through a puddle or something, but at the end of the day I find hiking infinitely more satisfying. I have an old station wagon that gets me to any trailhead I need, and can handle some light offroading, but spending tens of thousands on truck parts never really appealed to me at all. I've camped out of my car too, but carry-in backpack camping is just a lot more fun. It kinda goes hand in hand with glamping at paid campsites in my mind. Not to mention much higher land use impact compared to other PrepHole activities, hunting is a much better ratio of conserving land to generating money with permits
>I use my station wagon on high cost of maintenance paved roads to go through hundreds of miles of destroyed nature to walk 3 miles in my definition of nature >le off road parts scary >Oh 300$ for a titanium spoon? It's worth it to save 4 ounces >REI wool that's overpriced fast fashion? They're saving the planet
Thanks for the portlandian take.
Tons where i live
You basically cant trust google maps not to take you down treacherous roads unless youre going from city to city which makes for a hillarious tourist season
There are no more jeeps. The last "jeep" was the Sidekick/Samurai/Jimny. The whole idea with jeeps was that they could fit on trails a full size vehicle couldn't. Modern jeeps have the same footprint as any other truck, often even wider. So there aren't really any more "jeep trails", just "4wd trails". A WWII Willys was 62" wide. A 2024 stock jeep wrangler is 74" wide. And then people add giant tires that bump it out another foot to 84"+. Wider than a Tacoma. Shit's gay. Tiny off road vehicles like original Willys and then the Samurai/Sidekick/Jimny were amazing.
So are government agencies done with 4WD roads. Seems like it would be easier just to turn them all into hiking trails to avoid rutting up the "road". Shit is totally gay now with how watered down the term off roading has become. Literally people just buy massive F150s just for the rare occasion of having to drive 30 ft in a sandy parking lot.
Tiny off road vehicles still exist, they're just not street legal in most places and people tend to drive them like buttholes because they're "not a real car" and they're marketed as extreme sports toys.
The Polaris side by sides range from 64" to 72" wide. So even the narrowest is still wider than an old Willys, and at worst they're almost as wide as a stock Wrangler. The Suzuki Samurai was 60" wide. A few inches narrower than the Willys even. A lot of the trails that became "jeep trails" were actually gold rush era oxen trails and prospecting trails and the like. They became Jeep trails because that was the only vehicle that was small enough to get up them. Almost any popular trail has been improved to allow larger vehicles now. If there are real middle of nowhere trails from that era they're probably only used by regular quad ATVs these days. Those same narrow paths become snowmobile trails in winter. Basically I guess there's a reason every off road vehicle is wide as frick these days. If there were still lots of narrow trapper trails and prospector trails that only narrow vehicles could get up there'd still be a market for narrow vehicles.
it's called the mall parking lot, hunny. saged
There are tons of them.
They all got locked down because ofroad culture is cancer that fricks up everything they touch.
Trash everywhere, oil everywhere, intentionally dug mud pits in roads.
This.
Offroad culture is complaining that the DNR is out to get them. No dumbfrick its because you sunk your jeep and didn't retrieve it for a week.
this x2
the cagie cries out in pain as he strikes you
But those mudpits are so much fun if you have the right setup
Sounds like you might be a 4x4let with no lockers
I've done more offroading in a five speed sedan than most trucktards have ever done in their muh truck.
including deep mudpits?
I drove over the roads before the moronic trucktards dug out the pits and got the roads closed down.
Trucktards don't make the roads, the logging cartel does and the logging cartel closes them because of the mud pits you mouth breathing reatard.
>Trucktards don't make the roads, the logging cartel does
That depends on where you are, Jeep clubs built a lot of trails in the '50s and '60s. One of the big problems there is that they were built for the size and weight of a WW2/postwar Jeep and there's enough leeway for reasonable modern Jeeps or midsize trucks, but now people are trashing them with Raptors and lifted HDs and shit.
I'm tired of people who do out hobbies like rock climbing, mountain biking, and backpacking acting like their opinion matters when ohv permits and gun/hunting related taxes pay for most of our forest. They need to be taxed and permitted like the rest of us. 25$ for a day pass to use the trail butthole plus 10% tax on your gear. Also, I do those hobbies, but offroading to said activity and being able to camp away from people makes the trip 10x more fun.
Also, your sedan doesn't have the clearance to do a trail, go back to plebbit lol.
On the east coast, there needs to be 5x the amount of off road trails than we currently have. Put a game trail on the trail and heavily fine the people littering. Off road trails are not that bad for the enviornment when compared to paved roads or clear cutting for shitty homes/highways for the gays that just moved here. Also, if they removed the paved roads, there would be significantly less maintenance overhead for the park service. The State you moved from destroys your car at a faster rate than a dirt road would (salt), and you don't own it, so what's the difference.
>and you don't own it
Speak for yourself
>Taxes pay for my forests
Holy fricking shit you're a mouthbreathing moron. Forests are free and cost nothing to grow.
My taxes go to subsadize cutting down the forests so we can ship it to China or use it for boomers to build McManshions.
Subsadizing forestry is awful and pushed by corrupt as frick politicians and idiot boomers who think the only way to build a house is with a semi truck full of lumber.
>reddit spacing
>reading comprehension issues
>brings up stick built meme
Yikes
While I'll agree mall crawlers don't take their pavement queens off road, a dirt road that doesn't require 4wd isn't offroading. You b***hing and moaning about trail erosion while dragging your welfare mobile down it is hilarious. It's rutted out because tards like your self don't understand how a tcase works and why it's useful.
>dirt roading that doesn't require 4wd isn't offroading
lol
lamo
Stay mad. The gates are closed because you're stupid, not because I'm a bad driver.
>boomer thinks roads created by the army corps of engineers can be privatized
>I remind him it can't be with my bolt cutters/shotgun everytime
>also by your definition, driving on level grass in your yard is offroading
>here comes the portlandians
>ACTUALLY, YOURE DESTROYING THE PLANET, WHY DONT YOU USE THIS HYPERLIGHT FOLDABLE UNICYLE FROM REI LIKE I DO FOR BACKCOUNTRY EXPLORATION.
>YOUVE GOTTA BE UNHEALTHY I KNOW IT
>YOURE POLLUTING THE TRAIL WITH GARBAGE
>proceeds to smoke pot at every trail head in their subaru with 90 lgbtq+ schitzo stickers on the back
>complains that local town that they parasited too doesn't have high density housing and le barcade
>tried to shut down outdoor activities they don't politically align with
>dunning Kruger themselves into the conversation they know nothing about by stating their fwd sedan is somehow capable enough to do more than a dirt road
>THE FOREST IS FREE, THESE ROADS AND LOGISTICSTICAL NETWORK OF UTILITIES IN PARKS ARE NATURAL
On another note, two things:
1. If yankees tell you it's a private road, and the army corps of engineers built the road, it can't be a private road legally. You can call the corps and tell them to come remove the gate if the transplant refuses. Yes, I've mined salt doing this. Multi million dollar 'private' communities had to conceede lol
2. if you want more trails, get active with organizations in your local area and get with blueribbon coalition. Offroading is a lot like firearms, they will try to erode little by little until there's nothing left.
It doesn't matter who built the gates or the roads--it matters who currently administers the land which is most likely going to be DNR or BLM which fall under the Department of agriculture.
The roads are there for logging and that's it. The roads didn't used to be gated and it was very common for locals to drive them--this was the 80s/90s. Then offroading got big and people started fricking up the roads by driving like idiots and purpusfully rutting out the roads for "funzies."
The loggers got pissed because the roads were all fricked so they locked down all the access roads and claimed it was a safety and liability issue--when it was really a cost thing. They got tired of spending shit tons on roads because you fricking morons kept recking them.
I not only want the roads closed I want them to also ban logging. Car culture is cancer.
>I can't argue in the present so I'm going to rewrite the past
>I only care about the working american in my ivory tower when I can use them in my argument
Those same loggers off road and want to use those roads our taxes funded, ask me how I know. Also you're right, who cares who built the gate, it shouldn't be there anyways 🙂
Frick living in logging country place like North Idaho you cant do shit with fullsize off roading. The soil is loose and extremely prone to erosion and all you can do is hike. Hell even logging companies wont promote anything due to liability of logging trucks that weigh 100k wont give a frick about a lil jeep. Seems like the only place you can off road a truck or a Jeep is in the desert where the land isnt worth frick all. But who wants to drive more than 30 mins even an hour tops is pushing it for a day trip. Think I might just have to go to therapy and give up my passion for off roading,
>paying $300/hr to talk to a leftist twink who moved to your state a year ago who's entire education has been warped by the dsm 5
On topic though, there's still a few places left on the east coast, and it seems like people are buying private lands to bypass all the homosexuals. Hell, im building a trail on my 50 acres. Theres about 3 private trails opening up near me, but if I have the time and money, I'd open up an ngo on the east coast that specifically targets trails that were abandoned by the army corps of engineers and have them reopened. Anyone can do this BTW. If it was public use 60 years ago, you can sue to make it public use today. If the corps built it, they have to cut the gate.
>I'm dumping money into fricking up a forest to make a muh truck trail
You wonder why PrepHole people hate you idiots.
I'm not sure how you navigate life being this moron but I'm certain you drive a big truck and don't know shit about government spending or income.
The less accessible nature is to morons like you the happier people like me are.
I voted to spend your tax dollars on those gates....zero regrets.
And I'm sure you have gynecomastia from ipa overindulgence
>my manufactured consensus and very basic concept of intralogistical problems is reality
Idk why you're still in this thread lol
On topic, again, doesn't PA have a good bit of jeep trails? Debating on visiting this summer and hitting a few with primitive camping near by.
>Sedan doesn't have the clearance
Lol, JFC you're illeterate.
Yes, my sedan does just fine on off road trails until you idiot off road morons rut out the roads with your stupidit: Which is why you got banned in the first place moron.
I say again: my 1990 Chevy caviler has done more off-roading than most trucktards have done their whole life.
Now take your sedan down some black trails
I did
Lots
that was the hole point trucktard.
I do not have a jeep, I have a normal SUV with no front skid plate (sadly) and fricked up the differential by doing so many rock-studded dirt roads in search of trails.
It's not like I want to be on dirt roads in poor condition, I don't find it fun, I find it a nail-biting experience because I don't really have the proper car for it. I mean, I've never gotten stuck or close to it, but driving over rocks is always a risk.
I've gotten all-terrain tires but really I just wish dirt roads were in better condition, or, you know paved. I don't see the appeal of "jeep trails", except if that's the only way to get to a trail or view.
4x4let here with no lockers
thick mud is best avoided!
4 U
>no lockers
I've made lockers.
>use tin foil for splatter
>don't clean pumpkin with red can CRC, use green
what are you saying?
Your jargon are too many
He's saying he welded his differential.
Why green over red?
The green can of brakleen is non chlorinated so when you clean something with it then weld it won't make poisonous gas.
>Jeep trails
You mean the suburbs?
If done casually I think its alright
>nooo you don't understand
>I NEED to drive all this stuff a few miles into the woods or I'll DIE!
>guys really think that driving this setup a few miles up a forestry road makes them prepared for the collapse of civilization
I can agree with that even as simple as having an old wagon can get you most places.
Breh, if civilization collapses I have millions of anti-gun lib cucks who's cars I can burn through at my leisure. I'm not going to piss away pre-collapse monies on something I'm going to just steal as the need arises.
>Reading between the lines: Guns > Ammo >>>>>>>Muh truk
guns cant stop me from cumming on your back while you sleep and sticking the sheets to it so you wake up with a superman cape
Guns can’t stop me from blowing loads in your soup at night and stirring it up so in the morning you have salty soup and don’t know why.
When shtf, you aren't traveling anywhere, no matter how tough you think you are.
Prob because boomers etc dont want you to have the freedom? Ya know only authority figures are allowed these days.
My gpa used to motor scooter in the back of the hills then boomers came along and ranger cite him for enjoying the outdoors. Make no mistake they want you on the vr goggles eating goy slop and watching sportsball.
Sorta sucks as to how far you have to live just to get off onto a dirt road. Even 20 mins or so of driving just to hit dirt is frustration. Just wanna rock that axle and get some dirt on the tire with frens. But even they dont have that capable of cars or gas money to spare. Just usually pack into my car and have a small fire with a 6 pack or something. Even the snow keeps us away, so we only get to go off road like 3 weekends a year.
its called getting a job you 18 year old loser
Frick bro
Whats up with grown men driving Jeeps and Broncos then? Is it just styling and family comfort?
Might be similar, we have what's known as clover roads/trails leading you to sights, and just nice views
mudding/offroading/overlanding is kind of cringe. I had some friends in college that would go most weekends and I'd go along sometimes, and yeah it's cool blasting through a puddle or something, but at the end of the day I find hiking infinitely more satisfying. I have an old station wagon that gets me to any trailhead I need, and can handle some light offroading, but spending tens of thousands on truck parts never really appealed to me at all. I've camped out of my car too, but carry-in backpack camping is just a lot more fun. It kinda goes hand in hand with glamping at paid campsites in my mind. Not to mention much higher land use impact compared to other PrepHole activities, hunting is a much better ratio of conserving land to generating money with permits
>I use my station wagon on high cost of maintenance paved roads to go through hundreds of miles of destroyed nature to walk 3 miles in my definition of nature
>le off road parts scary
>Oh 300$ for a titanium spoon? It's worth it to save 4 ounces
>REI wool that's overpriced fast fashion? They're saving the planet
Thanks for the portlandian take.
Cause your blubbery ass needs the exercise
>muh fatty 4wheeler cope
I'm fit and enjoy going down ohv routes
>I'm fit
No you aren't
>n-no you aren't
You can cope all you want
Tons where i live
You basically cant trust google maps not to take you down treacherous roads unless youre going from city to city which makes for a hillarious tourist season
because there are companies who deal specifically with those whom are special needs. i hate jeeps so much SATURN GANG
Because OP, when discussed, it seems that all the mentally ill come out of the wood work and derail any civil discussion on the matter.
There are no more jeeps. The last "jeep" was the Sidekick/Samurai/Jimny. The whole idea with jeeps was that they could fit on trails a full size vehicle couldn't. Modern jeeps have the same footprint as any other truck, often even wider. So there aren't really any more "jeep trails", just "4wd trails". A WWII Willys was 62" wide. A 2024 stock jeep wrangler is 74" wide. And then people add giant tires that bump it out another foot to 84"+. Wider than a Tacoma. Shit's gay. Tiny off road vehicles like original Willys and then the Samurai/Sidekick/Jimny were amazing.
So are government agencies done with 4WD roads. Seems like it would be easier just to turn them all into hiking trails to avoid rutting up the "road". Shit is totally gay now with how watered down the term off roading has become. Literally people just buy massive F150s just for the rare occasion of having to drive 30 ft in a sandy parking lot.
Tiny off road vehicles still exist, they're just not street legal in most places and people tend to drive them like buttholes because they're "not a real car" and they're marketed as extreme sports toys.
The Polaris side by sides range from 64" to 72" wide. So even the narrowest is still wider than an old Willys, and at worst they're almost as wide as a stock Wrangler. The Suzuki Samurai was 60" wide. A few inches narrower than the Willys even. A lot of the trails that became "jeep trails" were actually gold rush era oxen trails and prospecting trails and the like. They became Jeep trails because that was the only vehicle that was small enough to get up them. Almost any popular trail has been improved to allow larger vehicles now. If there are real middle of nowhere trails from that era they're probably only used by regular quad ATVs these days. Those same narrow paths become snowmobile trails in winter. Basically I guess there's a reason every off road vehicle is wide as frick these days. If there were still lots of narrow trapper trails and prospector trails that only narrow vehicles could get up there'd still be a market for narrow vehicles.