Why aren't silencers used instead of normal barrels? (yes i know nothing about guns, pic vaguely related)

Why aren't silencers used instead of normal barrels? (yes i know nothing about guns, pic vaguely related)

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Silencers have baffels within them that reduce noise. They don’t have long lives, so it’s much better to just have a regular barrel and add a surpressor when needed.
    >retard who knows a little about surpressors

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

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          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

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              Anonymous

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          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought supressor durability was a vidya meme. So it was merely mild exaggeration all along?!

      silencers are very expensive, when selling a gun you have to make the price competitive. that being said, some guns do have integrated suppressors. google maxim 9 pistol.

      Interesting, while wear on the subject of barrels. Why aren't square bullets a thing, i hear square bullets are more lethal, is it because of the drop in accuracy?
      Also are there any "popular" guns with weird shaped barrels/bullets/chambrs/cartridges?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        square bullets are not as aerodynamic and would require special rifling (twists in the barrel that stabilize the bullet while it's flying) which is more expensive.
        as for suppressor durability, it's a metal tube containing gasses and a metal projectile going pretty fast. It has wear and tear over time, but it would take a long time of regular use with maintenance to require repairs. Video games speed up the process for balance reasons

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/SeW4SXp.jpg

        Why aren't silencers used instead of normal barrels? (yes i know nothing about guns, pic vaguely related)

        Silencers have baffels within them that reduce noise. They don’t have long lives, so it’s much better to just have a regular barrel and add a surpressor when needed.
        >retard who knows a little about surpressors

        Jesus this thread is retarded.
        OK first suppressors are not barrels are not replacements for barrels either. You need a barrel to attach a suppressor too. A suppressor is a muzzle device. Attached to the end of a barrel or sometimes a shroud covering a barrel that is ported(has holes in it).
        Second good suppressors can run for tens of thousands of rounds so no they aren't fragile.
        Also I case someone said it somehwere suppressors do not reduce bullet velocity and can in fact increase it.
        The reason beyond cost and laws people don't use them 100% of the time is weight, and increased parts wear, and recoil.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I disagree about the first part, what's stopping me from sawing of a shotgun and using it's 3 inch "barrel" to stick a 23 inch suppressor "muzzle"?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you iliterate? A suppressor is not a barrel hence why you just attached a suppressor to the barrel. You still need a barrel. It contains the explosive charge.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No you retard, the chamber contains the cartridge, not the barrel.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can buy integrally suppressed shotguns all over Europe where they are used for pest control
            search for
            fusil de chasse silencieux
            They are very common and yes, they work well.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I disagree about the first part, what's stopping me from sawing of a shotgun and using it's 3 inch "barrel" to stick a 23 inch suppressor "muzzle"?
            American nogunz

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you are all genuinely fucking massive retards
      do NOT reply to posts with nonsense you know nothing about please for GODS FUCKING SAKE ESPECIALLY YOU
      barrels allow pressure buildup because it is a narrow channel very slightly smaller than the bullet (projectile) itself, meaning that combustion gasses expand rapidly behind the only path of escape available to them- which is via pushing the bullet forwards
      because the baffles of suppressors do the exact fucking opposite of this, and allow as much area as reasonably possible within size and weight limitations for gas expansion while still retaining the gasses, your muzzle velocity with a chamber attached to a suppressor would be fucking terrible- suppressors only increase muzzle velocity because they still trap the propellant gasses for a small amount of time, as is their mechanism, but nowhere near as effectively as the narrow cylinder of a barrel

      in a simplified explanation, we'll talk about an infinitely long hollow pipe with a chamber and a bullet, whose powder all detonates at once to create 1000psi. given a cartridge volume of 1 unit, at 1000psi at time of detonation, the bullet will be pushed with all of that backpressure and begin to fly forwards down the barrel
      as the bullet travels down the barrel, lets say 1 mm, the expansion volume increases to 2 units- now, the pressure has dropped as well, to 500psi. the force exerted on the bullet has reduced substantially as a result of this, as now the same amount of gas is pushing over an internal surface area that is far larger, the total percentage of force on the back of the bullet is much lower than before. this continues until eventually, the increase in velocity per unit length is negative- diminishing returns on barrel length have turned outright negative, which is why each caliber has an ideal barrel length for maximum velocity
      replace a given chunk of barrel with suppressor and your length per 1 unit volume might go from 1mm to .1mm- cont

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        now, for a given unit length, your pressure drop is absolutely absurd- this is not ideal for projecting a projectile, however it is ideal if the projectile is already fast (after traveling through ~10-20in of barrel) and now you're more worried about noise
        hence why suppressors are muzzle devices and not barrel replacements.
        certain designs and cartridges, such as rounds like 300blk, are usually intentionally subsonic for minimal noise creation and work around this shortcoming with different bullet designs- but nonetheless still need at least some barrel length to make use of the propellant- the vss/as val, for example, still have 8" barrels- these barrels are just ported somewhat to allow SOME gasses to escape and further reduce noise at cost of velocity, before entering the primary suppressor

        basically, the tldr of your question, is that an all-suppressor barrel would just be a huge waste of powder and baffle strike/squib constantly due to terrible velocity
        also it'd constantly baffle strike due to complete lack of stabilization, but that's way harder math

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >basically, the tldr of your question, is that an all-suppressor barrel would just be a huge waste of powder and baffle strike/squib constantly due to terrible velocity
          >also it'd constantly baffle strike due to complete lack of stabilization, but that's way harder math
          I don't think you have any idea how integrally suppressed barrels work m8 for all your lecturing the summerfags and no guns. Another fucking yank

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            integrally suppressed barrels are just normal barrels with some porting to allow gas to escape, i just mentioned that dipshit
            you NEED a containment volume for proper expansion to occur, much less a rifled area for stabilization- it's not a chamber attached to a suppressor

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You don't own a silencer do you. You don't do you? You really really want one but you don't have one.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have a still No.5 22LR silencer for 20 years and it has has many many many thousands of rounds down it from a variety of different guns and it is still working perfectly, I also load cats sneeze and unorthodox subsonic loads like 'the load'. I do this because I never want the attention of or to disturb my neighbours because I shoot a LOT. I have an integrally silenced CZ 12 gauge and one for my 308, I also have one especially made for a Gew88

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why the fuck do you know so little about something you've owned for so long, assuming you're first reply

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why the fuck do you know so little about something you've owned for so long, assuming you're first reply
            Look you raging seething little cockmucher, at this point you have become so filled with your own importance and seethe you are just lashing out randomly. Go have coom and then be depressed and come back

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              quit being a retard online and i'll consider it
              also post guns

              too long didnt read, i'm going with first post's answer

              based tbh

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't know who you are replying to anymore and I'll never post guns for cockmunchers. Look its the mandatory shit Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anyway, in a truely sileced arm the most lethal comerically available oprion is a...12 gague. Yup you heard me right because you can send a very heavy slug subsonic
                Whereas this dipshit
                Has put a silencer on something he is dumping 5.56 though and if he uses subsonic, its basically a 22LR with heavy boolits (not that he does, he's not smart enough to use subsonic ammunition anyway). He's pretty typical of the american nogbrain with a silencer on an ARggggggggggggggggggggg and supersonic ammunition on his urgly little gun with stupid shit stuck all over it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ???
                you can suppress every available rifle caliber on the market, i shoot my can with 300wm- .50 cans exist as well but are prohibitively heavy
                are you drunk already, its only like noon overseas

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No you can't get's dangerous trying to make subsonic loads for some calibres.... doable...but dangerous.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                .

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even with supersonic ammunition a suppressor makes it much more pleasant to shoot. The goal isn't to be "truly silenced", it's just to be less harsh.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hi gramps

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

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            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

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              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        too long didnt read, i'm going with first post's answer

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because black people started arming themselves and we ended up with the NFA act banning everything and anything.
    Almost 100 years ago.
    Repeal the NFA.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      are you telling me that whites want to claim rights over Hispanics and bros over 100 years ago. because there is nothing wrong with a gun and a plant

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought the NFA was a response to Irish and Italian mobs?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah black people

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          funny guy

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    silencers are very expensive, when selling a gun you have to make the price competitive. that being said, some guns do have integrated suppressors. google maxim 9 pistol.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hey champ, what the actual fuck are you doing?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren't silencers used instead of normal barrels? (yes i know nothing about guns, pic vaguely related)
    to be effective the munition must be subsonic which reduces the energy, the only way around this is to increase the weight of the projectile which then develops a greater arc in its flight path which makes missing easier as accurate range estimation becomes vital. Most Americans don't have clue about silencers and use them inappropriately with semi automatic ARs firing supersonic ammunition because they just like the appearance and are retarded.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like you yourself don't know what you're talking about. Suppressors are still effective even in supersonic ammunition in that it reduces the actual gun's report. Have someone shoot at you from typical infantry engagement distance with and without a suppressed 5.56 and tell me where you're getting shot from.

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