Why arent hand held laser sniper guns a thing ?

Why aren’t hand held laser sniper guns a thing ?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Two reasons: high power consumption and difficult heat dissipation. Juist these 2 ideas alone actually kills of most sci-fi ideas

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is that? It just need to shoot a beam for few milliseconds at a time

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        If just a small harmless beam is all you need, then there are lasers that can do that, really tiny handheld ones. But that's not a "sniper gun" in any way. Once you start talking about that, your power and heat requirements skyrocket. I'd say do the math on it, you'll see

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >do the math on it
          Like someone this moronic can do that kind of math.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            How miserable do you have to be to be a dick to random people on internet ?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              How miserable do you have to be to be a dick to random people on the internet?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              how miserable do you have to be to think a 'hand held laser sniper gun' is a reasonable thing for a miserable person on the internet to want... most people enjoy their vision and dont want some butthole blinding them with a $50 laser pointer.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              gay

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        a laser that has enough power to do that is a relatively large machine

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      If just a small harmless beam is all you need, then there are lasers that can do that, really tiny handheld ones. But that's not a "sniper gun" in any way. Once you start talking about that, your power and heat requirements skyrocket. I'd say do the math on it, you'll see

      You can get around one that fires pulsing beams rather than a constant beam.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pulsed lasers might have very high peak power (megawatt, terawatt even for ultra-short pulsed lasers (USPL)) but the average power of them is just a couple of watts. They're great for interfering with sensors but not much more than that. Even a basic flashlamp pumped ND:Yag laser requires a pretty heavy power supply and a chiller to keep it running, it might blind a person in a single pulse but besides that it'll just take the paint off of stuff.

        When you get into the ultra-short (i.e. pico/femtosecond pulse duration) regimes you get interesting non-linear effects that can help with distance lasing like filamentation that generates self-healing laser beams through turbulence, but outside of sensor interference I'm not aware of many combat applications of USPLs currently. I know when it comes to filamentation specifically there's been some ablation studies that might have applications for shooting down drones but I don't really know. Despite how interesting USPLs are though, they still probably take up an entire conex worth of infrastructure if you want to do anything useful with it.

        If by pulsing you mean a Quasi-CW laser, where the power is modulated to help with heat, any Quasi-CW IPG laser you buy off the shelf is probably going to still require a chiller and a lot of power.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      We kinda already energymaxed both chemical and battery storage.
      I mean look at where lithium is on the periodic table, you can't go lighter than that. Hydrocarbons like gas are as good as it gets. Unless you can finger out a pocket nuke, it ain't happening.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Currently the troop size portable laser weapon systems like MCHEL from Booz Allen Hamilton are like a 12 kW system and it's probably more tailored towards stuff like taking down sensors or cameras from a distance and if you actually want to melt through stuff with it especially from range it probably a while.

    While it's a portable system its probably portable in the sense that you can load it into the back of a truck and deploy it with a few people, probably requires a generator and chiller to run too.

    Something totally hand held, even if it had like a heavy ass backpack to carry to supporting infrastructure, just wouldn't have the power output needed to be useful. Sure you could blind people handhelds easily but that's like a war crime, accidentally blinding people is probably a bring problem in actual deployment of HEL systems.

    On top of all that you have optical turbulence to deal with, your power in the bucket is going to go down significantly due to turbulence and a hand held system won't have the adaptive optics to correct for it like a full HEL system would. I mean you could have a small deformable mirror with just a few segments to try and correct using just the low order zernike coefficients for the wavefront but it'd still balloon the price to insane amounts, but then you'd also need some sort of shack hartmann WFS to calculate the conjugate wavefront.

    It's just not feasible or useful in such a small system.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pulsed lasers might have very high peak power (megawatt, terawatt even for ultra-short pulsed lasers (USPL)) but the average power of them is just a couple of watts. They're great for interfering with sensors but not much more than that. Even a basic flashlamp pumped ND:Yag laser requires a pretty heavy power supply and a chiller to keep it running, it might blind a person in a single pulse but besides that it'll just take the paint off of stuff.

      When you get into the ultra-short (i.e. pico/femtosecond pulse duration) regimes you get interesting non-linear effects that can help with distance lasing like filamentation that generates self-healing laser beams through turbulence, but outside of sensor interference I'm not aware of many combat applications of USPLs currently. I know when it comes to filamentation specifically there's been some ablation studies that might have applications for shooting down drones but I don't really know. Despite how interesting USPLs are though, they still probably take up an entire conex worth of infrastructure if you want to do anything useful with it.

      If by pulsing you mean a Quasi-CW laser, where the power is modulated to help with heat, any Quasi-CW IPG laser you buy off the shelf is probably going to still require a chiller and a lot of power.

      The Russians pointed a giant laser at the space shuttle Challenger in orbit in the 80s and all it did was annoy the crew.

      The technologies are so advanced but goyim have no clue. This is nothing by the way, old tech.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are patents for free energy machines too, doesn't really mean much.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          These aren't patents homosexual, it's reality, a fraction of it goy. Most of it is hidden from you loser.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Did you notice how that requires an entire fricking jumbo jet to store it's power supply and chiller? You all did.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren’t hand held laser sniper guns a thing
    because lasers require a crap ton of power to do any damage quickly.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The handheld stuff the russians have is for taking out drones. Won't carve a hole in a wall, though.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are laser machineguns (pulsed laser with ammo replaced by supercapcitor bank) viable for drone denial?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't think so. If you were going for sensor denial on a drone or taking out a drone you'd probably have a tracking mount already with all the necessary optics for tracking drones, and if you have that it'd need a power source (i.e. diesel generator) so you could use that same power source to power your laser and it's chiller anyways.

      It'd be a novelty though to have a pulsed laser whose flashlamp is powered by supercapacitors though, I imagine it like a chain gun but with capacitors flying out.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Portable energy density is too low to achieve resul

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      did anyone else see that flash befo

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        OH SHIT
        Quick! Take cover in the Hall of Mirr

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I broke a mirror, isn't that like seven year of bad lu

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren’t hand held laser sniper guns a thing ?
    blinding weapons are against the geneva convention.
    if everyone gets one, people will have to go to war wearing fpv goggles.

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dust and humidity blocks more light than you think over a distance.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not only that, but the tiny temperature changes in air and due to crosswinds create variances in the refractive index over the path you're propagating and it causes the beam to get distorted. It's not as bad if you're lasing above the horizon, but if you're lasing horizontally or down near the ground it's very noticeable.

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Russians pointed a giant laser at the space shuttle Challenger in orbit in the 80s and all it did was annoy the crew.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because you need a smaller laser to aim it, an even smaller laser to line that one up etc etc
    You get caught in a fractal of increasingly tiny lasers just to kill someone you could have just walked up to whispered this one secret thing into their ear
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  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    In terms of damage, kinetics are vastly more efficient than lasers, which do most damage by heating. Humans are basically only water and have a massive heat capacity, but we're soft and squishy so kinetics can easily go through and penetrate to vitals

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why not go big and make laser tanks?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >armor penetration between a BB gun and a pellet rifle

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Was it even designed for fighting armor?
        I'd guess they wanted to use it against troops, trucks and emplacements, that would make more sense anyway

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      you need something about the size of that tank to make even a small cutting laser with low range

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah a guy did it with a 12.000 dolaredoos laser (used) and modifications in his backyard.

        ?si=0lbN7WOhHrlhLlDH

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I suspect he's clipping only the final moment when the laser gets through the last bit of wood
          I didn't watch his full video, so maybe I am wrong
          Look at this

          I expect that could probably kill someone in quick enough time, but only at very close range (a few inches) and even then I'm not confident it would be all that quick
          It's powered by a 5kW laser that runs down fiber into the back of the 'rifle', there's a unit elsewhere that generates
          picrel is a 4kW laser generator, not quite as big as that tank I admit, but quite large
          It's too much to lug around, especially when you consider the low range, but lasers might be used for something like defending a stationary target
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Beam

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            the military has 15kW and 30kW lasers that are far more compact for their new tanks. They'll be fielded in just a few years, so I think it's entirely probable that handheld versions could exist within a decade or so.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              link?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              ignoring the actual laser and assuming 100% efficiency (and the lasers I work on are single digit efficiency in eletrical power to laser power conversion), what hand held power supply do you know of that is capable of 30kW?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >what hand held power supply do you know of that is capable of 30kW?
                a 300Wh (e.g. 48V 6.25Ah) 100C lipo could fit in about 1 litre
                that's gonna fit in a drum mag or a backpack
                300Wh is 1MJ, and water has an enthalpy of vaporisation of 2.4MJ/kg, so with 0.42kg = 0.42L of water you could flash that into steam to keep your apparatus below 100C

                the efficiency is still a massive problem, but it's not totally infeasible

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                modern ~40v ~10Ah pouch cell tool batteries are usually limited to around 5kW output (as far as I know at least) and 6 of them would be well over 1L in volume. It's absolutely doable as a backpack, but I don't think an onboard battery makes sense for any electric weapons with current battery technology. Same goes for those oversized toy coilguns- which are almost 80% capacitor, and for some bizarre reason the capacitors are integrated into the body and forward of the trigger which makes it stupidly front-heavy, instead of as a separate pack.
                >picrel
                Welding machines already have super flexible cables that can carry >10kW continuously, it can't be that hard to handle a few times as much power for a pulse less than 1 second.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >modern ~40v ~10Ah pouch cell tool batteries are usually limited to around 5kW output
                100C lipos as used by high-power drones are rated at significantly faster discharge rates. 100C means a 1Ah cell can output 100A.
                >which makes it stupidly front-heavy
                >Welding machines already have super flexible cables that can carry >10kW continuously
                I suspect the short duration of the current spikes makes the inductance of the wiring quite significant, so wires to a backpack would degrade performance. But you could at probably put most of the caps in the stock, maybe even behind the shoulder akin to some of those man-portable rocket launchers.

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    only disco gays and their victims are still into lasers the year 1985+40

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    why would anyone want a laser gun anyway? If you just want a death wand, why bother with light? There aren't a lot of tactical situations where you say

    "Hey, could we make everything a lot brighter? Maybe make it super easy to find us, like say having a bright beam of light point at us?"

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because bullets work much, much better.

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you have any idea how much power is required to run a laser powerful enough to go through someone's head at a thousand+ yards, and also do it in fast enough that they don't have the time to scream "my forehead is burning!" and get out of the way?

    It's a lot.

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your not aware of lazeranon? He likes to teach people how to make very dangerous laser guns. Look them up on /misc/ in archives

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh and his guns are meant to blind, not like cook or burn

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Recently arrested

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        that guy definitely wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        For what?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Link? I’d like to read

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    they require massive batteries to run for any length of time, require you to point the laser for a very long time to do any significant damage to non-eye bodyparts, reveal the exact location of the user, etc.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tech Ingredients did a neat video on space-based death lasers. Looked actually pretty doable, if you ignore the thermal issues. Nowhere near hand-held though.

    I think there are two somewhat promising methods to make a hand-held laser weapon:
    The first is an explosively pumped gas dynamic laser. The energy density of the fuel makes it 10 times easier to get the same amount of energy as batteries can store, plus the thermal issues aren't as bad as they are inside a flash-lamp or LED or diode laser.
    The second is a nitrogen air laser of some sort. Nitrogen air lasers aren't the most efficient or coherent, but they literally don't care about cooling because the laser medium can just flow out of the firing chamber and get replaced with other air, so there's little preventing you from just increasing the power level to arbitrary levels.
    Both are intrinsically pulsed lasers that dumps all its energy in a short enough time that you don't have to worry about stabilisation. Neither would be nearly as coherent as the fibre laser talked about in the Tech Ingredients video, so they'd be short-range weapons at best. Not sure if you can Q switch them, or if you'd want to.

    Practically, getting a laser powerful enough to burn a pinpoint hole through someone's head or heart (or set them on fire) is still a long ways off from a hand-held weapon. Considering blindness will set in at orders of magnitude lower energy levels, and blinding weapons are banned by many rules of law, I can't imagine major militaries investing much in anti-personnel laser weaponry. That said, they're definitely useful for anti-UAV and anti-missile purposes, but that defeats the purpose of going for man-portable low-range units. Maybe for anti-surveillance? I wonder if targeted laser weaponry can destroy the cameras that modern tanks use to navigate? I can see this kind of weapon being used for urban guerrilla warfare.

    In roblox.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      on space lasers, have a look into the 'rope trick' if anyone here is interested in that kind of thing
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Excalibur

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    if I had a real working lasgun I would recite prayers during maintenance for it too

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't work like that though doesn't take much for it to be weak as sht

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why, theoretically, is it the case that you can put enough propellant in a cartridge to propel a bullet fast enough to kill someone, but you can't fit enough energy to propel light with the same force into a cartridge of the same size? I would expect there to be a way to convert a tiny packet of chemical energy into a laser pulse with the same energy as a bullet. Is it just that our methods of turning energy into light are much less efficient than our methods of turning energy into kinetic force? If there existed a way to transform gunpowder directly into light, like by channeling the explosion through some kind of magical lens, could that laser just explode a homie's head?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kinetic energy is much more efficient at killing people than what’s basically thermal energy, for the same impact size. In particular, laser light will just turn to heat on impact with your clothing, while a bullet will retain much of its kinetic energy as it pushes through you. It doesn’t need to boil off all the flesh on its path, just push it out of the way. Penetrating power of projectiles will always be better than lasers at this kind of size and energy scale.

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    A few problems like power source. But the killer of laser weapons is the atmosphere and water vapor dilutes the beam. The Iron Beam defense laser shows it can't operate well in rain or cloudy days. It also has a very short range. Space on the other hand is perfect for lasers

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's why you pick a wavelength that isn't influenced so much by weather. A ~4GHz maser would probably ignore water droplets pretty well, and play havoc with electronics inside any missiles or drones. Too short a wavelength (<1cm) and droplets of rail will disturb it, too long a wavelength and it won't be able to focus its energy to a tight enough point to do any meaningful damage. Not sure about clouds though, someone should post a nice graph on the absorption of MHz through THz bands in clouds.

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's dilemma our entire race faces:

    We can generate more than enough power/energy. But we cant STORE said power.

    There is nothing on this planet that stores more joules gram for gram than petroleum (save fissile material which is problematic and too rare for widespread commercial use)

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >too rare
      it's not rare at all, there is more than enough uranium to meet our needs
      https://www.oecd-nea.org/jcms/pl_28569/uranium-resources-production-and-demand-red-book
      this report has details on uranium reserves at various levels of economic viability
      there's a lot to be said about where the uranium actually is and the supply lines to move it into the west, but that's a whole other, non-laser, non-PrepHole thread

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      hydrogen and methane both store more gravimetric energy (gram for gram), in fact even LPG/propane is more energy dense per unit mass. Gasoline/Diesel are better for VOLUMETRIC energy density (size of tank) but they're both actually quite heavy for the amount of energy you get from combustion. That's not even getting into the wacky shit like borohydride.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      the japs are unironically looking to ammonia for energy storage and usage in vehicles, it's just a matter of time before someone gasses themself.

      anyhow, we're conflating grid storage (needs to be cheap, have a long service life, be deployable anywhere, have sufficiently high round-trip efficiency) with vehicular storage (needs to be sufficiently dense, safe, cheap).
      grid storage will probably end up being flow batteries (fe2/fe3/fe(s) looks promising) or some other kind of long-lifespan cheap battery (molten salt/metal batteries maybe because the liquid cathode and anode don't change shape)
      vehicular storage idk, batteries aren't seeming to be that cost-effective (up-front cost that is) without subsidies, maybe chemical storage with fuel cells

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