Why aren't bullpup pistols more common?
Seems like they are the number one type of firearm to benefit from the extra barrel length.
Why aren't bullpup pistols more common?
Why aren't bullpup pistols more common?
Seems like they are the number one type of firearm to benefit from the extra barrel length.
Same reason no bullpups are popular, shit triggers and shit reliability.
There are already problems generating muzzle energy and enough recoil to cycle actions.
Pulling the cartridge out of a mag backwards, then moving it forward, is not a worthwhile mechanical problem given it confers zero advantages.
We really don't need an ashtray in each arm rest, an ashtray in the dash, and an ashtray in the rear console. You only need 2 ashtrays max ever.
>Pulling the cartridge out of a mag backwards, then moving it forward, is not a worthwhile mechanical problem given it confers zero advantages.
You're extremely moronic. The advantages for increased barrel length are documented for literally every gun ever.
It's a fricking pistol. What tangible, practical benefits do you expect to see tacking an extra inch onto the barrel?
Increased muzzle velocity and accuracy.
I'm aware of the principle, but I asked for practical benefits. What do you actually expect to do with a pistol where a 6 inch barrel is materially superior to a 5 inch barrel? What do you expect to gain, 50 FPS?
Does that marginal benefit really outweigh the additional mechanical complexity that comes with a bullpup system? One might even suggest that the dogshit trigger would negate whatever peripheral improvements to the gun's accuracy you might see.
3 inch is superior to 2 inch by a significant amount
ain't what my girlfriend tells me!
nta but your numbers are whacked. Pistols don't have 5-6" barrels anon, that's PCCs, and going from 2" to 3" is well over 100fps with nearly anything and again going to 4". Particularly with +p, and even more for +p+.
Not that there aren't other downsides and other more important things, if it was a net win everyone would do it. But talking about pccs, or that moron spreading fuddlore about triggers is stupid.
>pistols don't have 5 inch barrels
Accuracy is not going to go up from a longer barrel in a meaningful way if you're using a system where the barrel isn't fixed and the sights aren't directly attached to it. You'll jus have less bullet drop and perhaps lower felt recoil from speed and weight respectively
There's no real mechanical reason that a barrel x centimeters longer should be significantly more accurate, it's all associated factors that people tend to notice
I'd rather have low bore axis
moron.
The VHS has scored very high in every trial it's participated in. It lost the French army tender because the French MoD didn't think the company could produce enough guns to equip the entire French military and French politicians are too moronic to restart a domestic firearms industry.
helghast for helghans, race war now
*Helghan for helghast
>the French MoD didn't think the company could produce enough guns to equip the entire French militar
And HK underbid HS by several hundred dollars.
VHS-2
>$1.200
416
$800
whats with this shit trigger talk? arnt most triggers already level and bar actuated? what difference does it make which direction that bar goes or how long it is?
-t.never fired a bulpup
More linkages = more physics is working against you
all pistols are bullpups. Its rare to find a pistol with the mag in front of the trigger.
its not about the the mag, its the action
Pistols aren't real bullpup in the sense that they use a standard sort of action but just sorta moving the feed system back to the grip
True bullpup is gonna have the breech entirely behind the grip for a much longer barrel to length/weight ratio.
>barrel length
So this is like one of those exercises where you actually use 1000 horses to generate 1000 horsepower, instead of simply adding a larger turbo.
With a pistol, you wouldn't create an imaginary physical reality where adding reciprocating motion and fixing everything else to do so is the shorter path to making a faster/more powerful impact.
Instaed you would use 1/1000th of the effort to change everything to make it reciprocating (bullpup in your drawing), and just make the bullet faster/more energy.
I guess you could build a scaffolding to hold hypothermic cows over your head every time you wanted a cookie and milk but it seems there might be a better way.
You have never shot a firearm in your life.
overly complex solution to a marginally important problem
This. A reliable one has never been made. The bombers (I think that’s what it’s called) in your OP would rip the bullet out of the case and dump powder into the mag and the gun’s internals.
There are trade offs too. Right off the bat you sacrifice bore axis and recoil for an extra 1-2 inches in barrel length. It’s just not worth it, all things considered.
>The Bullpup 9 is a well-made handgun with good features. Most importantly, the piece is reliable. The pistol is among very few small handguns that shoot like big guns. It is light and compact but easy to fire accurately. It is useful in fast combat firing and surprisingly accurate in benchrest testing (firing for absolute accuracy).
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/bond-arms-bullpup-9-gun-review/
bullpup handgun is way more complicated for not a whole lot of better
I like the idea, not for any practical considerations but because I just really like the stealth pistol from Deus Ex.
how the frick do you hold that?
how roasted do your fingers get?
Wasn't one of the major problems with the Boberg that by pulling cartridges out of the mag by the rear at an angle, it sometimes stripped the bullet out of the case via friction and caused loose powder to literally flood the action/mag? There was a real potential for the empty case to get chambered and for the shooter to pop the primer by pulling the trigger, causing a chain reaction with all the loose powder now dusting the weapon's action/mag IIRC.
What's the point?
company got hijacked
Ammunition manufacturers design their crimps under the assumption that cartridges will get pushed in to the barrel on the sprung forward stroke, not potentially have the bullets pinched between two points while the case is pulled backwards on the driven backstroke.
Its not actually a hard issue to solve, its just that theres no impetus to when pistols like that are a tiny tiny part of the market. And its hard to grow that market share when you have a reputation for being ammunition picky.
Care to share examples of some that do exist?
OP's pic is the Boberg Arms XR9/Bond Arms Bullpup9.
They are legitimately very compact for their barrel length.
this thing suffers from the bullet detaching from the case during the cycling action as the crimp around the bullet cant hold it from the force. The size of a pistol make that kind of method the only real way to do it, or you shoulda just made a regular pistol for the added length. Some ammo brands didnt have the issue tho
Don't use poorly made ammo with shitty crimps and its not an issue.
It's just not worth it.
For CC, the grip size is the limiting factor, not the barrel.
For duty pistols, there's no significant benefit to a slightly longer barrel.
Maybe if someone designed a very high velocity cartridge that needed an extra long barrel to get within normal dimensions.
5.7/4.6?
Because that's needlessly complicated for one extra inch of barrel.
>extracts bullet casing and bullet while loading
heh nothing personal kid