You'll never find a single person who has even met someone who has heard of it happening to someone they know.
The lore is that it happened with a couple of the scandium frame light j-frames and that is why they don't include the hole. Others argue they omit it on that design for frame strength.
Any complaints about it's symbolism are completely justified, however. It has no place on the gun and even though I do own S&Ws with the hole, I don't fault anyone who makes that a sticking point for them personally and S&W should be raked over the coals for eternally over it.
It’s unnecessary, causes malfunctions, and was the result of gun grabber political pressure.
What more would you like to know?
There are several videos of people purposely staging the lock partway on and then firing heavy magnums and doing pic related. I've never seen a single incidence of it happening organically or on command.
I witnessed it once at the range on a j frame back in 2014? I wanna say. I was shooting with a buddy. We couldnt figure out what was wrong until we got back to his place. He sold it because he was gonna use it for carry. I have not seen it happen to anyone else or have heard about it. This dudes luck with women is offset by having the worst fricking luck with guns, he had a kaboom with factory ammo in a r700 that luckily didnt dismember/disfigure him, the first time I shot his .22 it had a squib, he had the 1st ar he built suffer a catastrophic failure because he didn’t stake the castle nut when he didn’t know better, and had a squib in a sti m1911. I think he should just stick to shotguns and Glocks because those are the only guns that dont seem to actively try to kill him
>was the result of gun grabber political pressure
Nah it's entirely an economic outcome. They saw taurus with its lock system flooding the market, decided they don't want to lose that customer base and added their own lock system. They kept it to this day because there are more people who buy s&w because of the hole than there are who don't.
People who seethe over hillary hole are people who have been brainwashed by the politicisation in the US.
>because there are more people who buy s&w because of the hole than there are who don't
doubt, i've never heard a single person say they like the hole, it's either >I'm never buying a smith while that fricking HOLE is there
or >I don't like the hole but it's not a big deal
Target audience of the hole isn't likely people you often hang around with. They're people who only have one gun just in case and toss it in a drawer somewhere to collect dust. Having the lock means that if a cat or a child gets in there, they can't ND.
You can rest easy knowing any Smith with a Hillary Hole is made with cost cutting in mind and plenty of pot metal. It's an easy way to know it's made to increase shareholder value and frick the consumer. Not even as a joke, they used cheaper parts on them compared to the older forged parts.
It's unnecessary crap that only S&W does and is just one of the dozens of reasons to hate Shit and Pissin.
I will eternally seethe about how they made SAMMI change the specs to .357 because they couldn't be assed to make a gun that didn't break while Rugers and Colts ate full power loads all day with no issues.
That wasn't the issue, S&W frames in the 70's and 80's (possibly to the 90's) would crack over time from what was at the time standard 357 loadings, instead of making their frames better they used their pull to have the SAMMI specs for 357 changed so it was weaker. This is also why it's not recommended to shoot handloads in older S&W's.
Colts and Rugers still have their own issues but the frame destorying itself from factory ammo was not one of them.
Its a flat pin with a spring that can be "locked" to prevent the gun from firing. They are piss easy to remove/disable/fill but nu-/k/ has gone full gunsoomer and has these gay corpo shit flinging threads all the time now.
No it's what people who adhere to things that'd be considered Fuddish. Not fully fud since it seems reasonable but over the years becomes very unlikely.
It's ugly for sure, but the safety at least has a good use: it allows me to dryfire a rimfire gun with no issue for practice, though that hasn't stopped me from plugging it in (pic related) and instead use my airgun Remington 1875 for practice.
Modern fuddlore. It's mostly just politics because it was seen to appease Hillarys gun control plans. People who complain about how it would instantly turn your gun into a brick are the same people who would also say you should never carry a revolver.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. The guns with the locks on them are objectively worse unless you're 1 of the 4 people on the planet who actually make use of them. They weaken the frames. They add a failure point that can and has cause malfunctions on certain models. They are ugly and decrease the desirability of the gun if you want to sell it. Even if you plug the hole, you can tell. All in all a downgrade.
The hole is not in a compromising location on the frame, I am not concerned whatsoever about structural integrity. The locking malfunctions were on ultra-lightweight scandium-framed revolvers using .357 or similar high-energy rounds, not the heavier steel framed ones. I understand if people don’t like the meaning or motive behind the lock’s inclusion but the gun is mechanically sound.
For me, I think this situation is something that's become the typical "I don't like thing but I can't bring myself to just say its because I disagree with its inclusion on principles, so I need to come up with some extra dirt to fling at it just to really convince myself and others how bad it is." thing.
Its okay to dislike things on principles alone. Its precisely why I will never buy a modern Smith, but I don't tell myself it'll cause X problem, because I don't care about that. I don't care because I won't buy one purely on principle, so even if it did cause issues it has nothing to do with my decision to buy one or not.
Reminder that the only reason you're still hearing about these is because it has "Hillary" in the name. You never hear anyone complaining about the integrated locks on HK pistols for example.
From the archive, (April 11 to April 11 of each year), you can see that its usage took off around the time of the 2016 election, when guess who was running for president. >2013-2014: 22 posts >2014-2015: 60 posts >2015-2016: 80 posts >2016-2017: 225 posts >2017-2018: 334 posts >2018-2019: 317 posts >2019-2020: 220 posts >2020-2021: 235 posts >2021-2022: 132 posts >2022-2023: 229 posts
In fact, why are we mentioning Hillary at all? For the past 6 or so years I haven't heard a single leftie mention her at all. The handful of times I've even heard anything about her was either in a thread like this or in the middle of some schizo rant along with Soros and the deepstate.
Because she lives in people's heads rent free, and there are a disproportionate amount of politics obsessed schizos on /k/ in recent years. Hence the massive increase in the use of "Hillary hole" since 2016.
>For the past 6 or so years I haven't heard a single leftie mention her at all.
Yeah, 2016 basically killed any chance of future political relevance for her.
My issue, is that the shit and wesson one is blatantly visable. I don't like gun locks but if one is hidden away and doesn't cause malfunctions there's nothing to b***h about. The smith and wessons do not fit either of these the HK does.
>Reminder that the only reason you're still hearing about these is because it has "Hillary" in the name.
No, butthole. The reason you are still hearing about it is because it is still an ugly, unnecessary, blight upon the whole line of S&W revolvers. The company management cucked out to the Clinton admin, and subsequent management still refuses to unfrick the guns probably from fear of a lawsuit for removing a safety device. They have the balls to sell 'classic' lines of revolvers that contain that horrid trash of a locking device. The locks on HKs existed in the original designs and are so unobtrusive that most owners probably never even know they are there.
In fact, why are we mentioning Hillary at all? For the past 6 or so years I haven't heard a single leftie mention her at all. The handful of times I've even heard anything about her was either in a thread like this or in the middle of some schizo rant along with Soros and the deepstate.
>In fact, why are we mentioning Hillary at all?
Because she lives in people's heads rent free, and there are a disproportionate amount of politics obsessed schizos on /k/ in recent years. Hence the massive increase in the use of "Hillary hole" since 2016.
>For the past 6 or so years I haven't heard a single leftie mention her at all.
Yeah, 2016 basically killed any chance of future political relevance for her.
>Because she lives in people's heads rent free
Reddit leave.
It’s unnecessary, causes malfunctions, and was the result of gun grabber political pressure.
What more would you like to know?
How often do those malfunctions actually happen
I don’t know, I don’t want to happening to me though.
never but it COULD happen at ANY time
It’s literally never happened
You'll never find a single person who has even met someone who has heard of it happening to someone they know.
The lore is that it happened with a couple of the scandium frame light j-frames and that is why they don't include the hole. Others argue they omit it on that design for frame strength.
Any complaints about it's symbolism are completely justified, however. It has no place on the gun and even though I do own S&Ws with the hole, I don't fault anyone who makes that a sticking point for them personally and S&W should be raked over the coals for eternally over it.
There are several videos of people purposely staging the lock partway on and then firing heavy magnums and doing pic related. I've never seen a single incidence of it happening organically or on command.
I witnessed it once at the range on a j frame back in 2014? I wanna say. I was shooting with a buddy. We couldnt figure out what was wrong until we got back to his place. He sold it because he was gonna use it for carry. I have not seen it happen to anyone else or have heard about it. This dudes luck with women is offset by having the worst fricking luck with guns, he had a kaboom with factory ammo in a r700 that luckily didnt dismember/disfigure him, the first time I shot his .22 it had a squib, he had the 1st ar he built suffer a catastrophic failure because he didn’t stake the castle nut when he didn’t know better, and had a squib in a sti m1911. I think he should just stick to shotguns and Glocks because those are the only guns that dont seem to actively try to kill him
>was the result of gun grabber political pressure
Nah it's entirely an economic outcome. They saw taurus with its lock system flooding the market, decided they don't want to lose that customer base and added their own lock system. They kept it to this day because there are more people who buy s&w because of the hole than there are who don't.
People who seethe over hillary hole are people who have been brainwashed by the politicisation in the US.
>because there are more people who buy s&w because of the hole than there are who don't
doubt, i've never heard a single person say they like the hole, it's either
>I'm never buying a smith while that fricking HOLE is there
or
>I don't like the hole but it's not a big deal
Target audience of the hole isn't likely people you often hang around with. They're people who only have one gun just in case and toss it in a drawer somewhere to collect dust. Having the lock means that if a cat or a child gets in there, they can't ND.
I like the smaller hole.
You can rest easy knowing any Smith with a Hillary Hole is made with cost cutting in mind and plenty of pot metal. It's an easy way to know it's made to increase shareholder value and frick the consumer. Not even as a joke, they used cheaper parts on them compared to the older forged parts.
It's unnecessary crap that only S&W does and is just one of the dozens of reasons to hate Shit and Pissin.
I will eternally seethe about how they made SAMMI change the specs to .357 because they couldn't be assed to make a gun that didn't break while Rugers and Colts ate full power loads all day with no issues.
>ate full power loads all day with no issues
like you do?
No I'm too much of a pussy to do that I only can take small loads, need to build up resistance.
>Colts ate full power loads all day with no issues.
Their lockup is more fragile than S&W's though.
That wasn't the issue, S&W frames in the 70's and 80's (possibly to the 90's) would crack over time from what was at the time standard 357 loadings, instead of making their frames better they used their pull to have the SAMMI specs for 357 changed so it was weaker. This is also why it's not recommended to shoot handloads in older S&W's.
Colts and Rugers still have their own issues but the frame destorying itself from factory ammo was not one of them.
It wasn't the frame it was the forcing cone, but otherwise yeah.
>mfw 686-3 4" without hole
How do you walk with such huge, pendulous balls?
is that not just a safety lock or is it actually a key for opening the cylinder
Its a flat pin with a spring that can be "locked" to prevent the gun from firing. They are piss easy to remove/disable/fill but nu-/k/ has gone full gunsoomer and has these gay corpo shit flinging threads all the time now.
its what poorgays say when someone tells them to buy a S&W instead of a dogshit ruger or taurus.
No it's what people who adhere to things that'd be considered Fuddish. Not fully fud since it seems reasonable but over the years becomes very unlikely.
has been thoroughly used by Bill
It's like the "READ MANUAL BEFORE USE" on my Heritage Rough Rider, ugly and unnecessary.
The stamped warning on a heritage isn’t nearly as frickugly as the damn flip safety….
It's ugly for sure, but the safety at least has a good use: it allows me to dryfire a rimfire gun with no issue for practice, though that hasn't stopped me from plugging it in (pic related) and instead use my airgun Remington 1875 for practice.
Modern fuddlore. It's mostly just politics because it was seen to appease Hillarys gun control plans. People who complain about how it would instantly turn your gun into a brick are the same people who would also say you should never carry a revolver.
I don’t like the politics behind it but the removal of the locking mechanism is not very difficult.
Filling the hole so that it doesn't compromise the strength of the frame anymore is impossible though.
It honestly seems like a non issue hyped up to be a massive crippling defect.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. The guns with the locks on them are objectively worse unless you're 1 of the 4 people on the planet who actually make use of them. They weaken the frames. They add a failure point that can and has cause malfunctions on certain models. They are ugly and decrease the desirability of the gun if you want to sell it. Even if you plug the hole, you can tell. All in all a downgrade.
The hole is not in a compromising location on the frame, I am not concerned whatsoever about structural integrity. The locking malfunctions were on ultra-lightweight scandium-framed revolvers using .357 or similar high-energy rounds, not the heavier steel framed ones. I understand if people don’t like the meaning or motive behind the lock’s inclusion but the gun is mechanically sound.
For me, I think this situation is something that's become the typical "I don't like thing but I can't bring myself to just say its because I disagree with its inclusion on principles, so I need to come up with some extra dirt to fling at it just to really convince myself and others how bad it is." thing.
Its okay to dislike things on principles alone. Its precisely why I will never buy a modern Smith, but I don't tell myself it'll cause X problem, because I don't care about that. I don't care because I won't buy one purely on principle, so even if it did cause issues it has nothing to do with my decision to buy one or not.
Nice looking revolver - what model?
it looks like a model 60 with a 3" barrell
Reminder that the only reason you're still hearing about these is because it has "Hillary" in the name. You never hear anyone complaining about the integrated locks on HK pistols for example.
From the archive, (April 11 to April 11 of each year), you can see that its usage took off around the time of the 2016 election, when guess who was running for president.
>2013-2014: 22 posts
>2014-2015: 60 posts
>2015-2016: 80 posts
>2016-2017: 225 posts
>2017-2018: 334 posts
>2018-2019: 317 posts
>2019-2020: 220 posts
>2020-2021: 235 posts
>2021-2022: 132 posts
>2022-2023: 229 posts
In fact, why are we mentioning Hillary at all? For the past 6 or so years I haven't heard a single leftie mention her at all. The handful of times I've even heard anything about her was either in a thread like this or in the middle of some schizo rant along with Soros and the deepstate.
Because she lives in people's heads rent free, and there are a disproportionate amount of politics obsessed schizos on /k/ in recent years. Hence the massive increase in the use of "Hillary hole" since 2016.
>For the past 6 or so years I haven't heard a single leftie mention her at all.
Yeah, 2016 basically killed any chance of future political relevance for her.
I'd actually trust H&K to safely implement an internal lock is the difference.
My issue, is that the shit and wesson one is blatantly visable. I don't like gun locks but if one is hidden away and doesn't cause malfunctions there's nothing to b***h about. The smith and wessons do not fit either of these the HK does.
>Reminder that the only reason you're still hearing about these is because it has "Hillary" in the name.
No, butthole. The reason you are still hearing about it is because it is still an ugly, unnecessary, blight upon the whole line of S&W revolvers. The company management cucked out to the Clinton admin, and subsequent management still refuses to unfrick the guns probably from fear of a lawsuit for removing a safety device. They have the balls to sell 'classic' lines of revolvers that contain that horrid trash of a locking device. The locks on HKs existed in the original designs and are so unobtrusive that most owners probably never even know they are there.
>In fact, why are we mentioning Hillary at all?
>Because she lives in people's heads rent free
Reddit leave.
>H&K hole
smug_soi_face.jpg
>S&W hole
angry_soi_face.jpg
>Why are you guys always on about "Hilary's Hole?
I took the lock out and
put the prolapse plug in.
It’s Fake and Gay.
Nobody asked for this homosexualry.