Why are they so scared of the B-21?

Why are they so scared of the B-21?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They haven't stolen it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They got the old version at least https://thediplomat.com/2015/01/new-snowden-documents-reveal-chinese-behind-f-35-hack/

      >The Chinese hackers were also successful in obtaining data on the B-2 stealth bomber, the F-22 jet, space-based lasers, missile navigation and tracking systems, as well as nuclear submarine/anti-air missile designs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Biden will sell the plans in no time

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    impressive

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The US wont be around in 20 years. Over 35 trillion in debt. Some of which is owed to China.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      t.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The national debt has fallen, millions must refuse to pay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you guys keep posting NileRed?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me anon, what happens if the USA just refuses to pay that debt and how does it lead to the USA not existing?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why can’t the US just stop taking on more debt? If you can’t pay it, you’ll lose the ability to get more debt.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You have failed to answer the question. Please have a nice day.
          Regarding your question: they'll just take on more debt from other loan providers. The USA does not seem to be lacking in institutions willing to loan them money.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The US is taking on debt because it is unable to get money otherwise. If the US is unable to pay back its debts, that means that the US is completely out of money, and nobody would lend to them, as they are unable to pay back. US bonds are the most popular because they are seen as low-risk for debt default.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't understand how you're replying after having shot yourself. Perhaps you only shot your foot.
              Let me clarify.
              Point muzzle at roof of mouth. Pull trigger

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The US takes in plenty of money through taxes. The problem is, socialists have spent the last 80 years spending trillions of dollars on wasteful stuff. Take just half of that out, and no new debt would be needed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the USA owes most of the debt to itself, foreign countries have so much debt to the USD is eye watering lmao

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              If you have the reserve currency of the world it is inevitable that you have a shit load of debt because everyon other country needs to hold dollars. That is what debt is, it's the flipside of money. $35tn is out there somewhere, in foreign central banks, and domestic retail and investment banks, pension funds etc etc. There simply isn't a way around it now, the US should have helped set up the Bancor currency in the 40s.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not how debt works when you own the body that prints the money and owe the vast majority of it to yourself. As the old saying goes "If I owe the bank 100 dollars its my problem, If I owe them 33 trillion dollars its theirs." For all the shit millenials and zoomers give boomers about money it amazing tjay they haven't figired out how to leverage it, doubly so since it fits in with their accelerationist/collapse larp so well.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because you don't how debt works retard.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because trannies

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Its a debt economy. Go watch some Mike Maloney

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That would be anti-Semitic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Defaulting on that debt would dismantle the international financial institution and make people run to a global system that is more aligned with China.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That already happened several times. The most recent one was Nixon refusing to pay the debt incurred due to 'Nam. The world is still here.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody is going to align themselves with a notorious currency manipulator.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >make people run to a global system that is more aligned with China.
          I literally hope this happens and countries start using the yuan more frequently because it would actually cause China's economy to collapse almost immediately.
          They manipulate their currency more than any other country in the world, in an effort to keep it artificially low when compared to other major currencies.
          It's how they maintain the ability to pay a billion peasants to crank out trinkets on the cheap.
          The ABSOLUTE SECOND there is any real external demand for the yuan, it will increase in value massively while also demanding stabilization as a non-govt controlled side effect.
          It would cause collapse in a month as all those poor workers suddenly saw their meager wages go an exponential distance further, then saw all their income immediately vaporize as nobody could afford to buy "made in China" items anymore, assuming it wasn't immediately dropped by those external entities like a hit potato.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          China prints more Yuan PER DAY than the US printed USD during the whole '08 bailout. You're either retarded or a chinsect if you think China and the Yuan is going to be the new reserve currency. China will be lucky to not collapse in the next decade due to all their manufacturing leaving to other Asian and shithole countries. BRI has already collapsed, like their demographics and employment rates. Hell, last year alone China lost 430,000 businesses, their largest shoe manufacturing warehouse, and millions of jobs. Their ports are filling up with empty shipping containers because exports are down and nobody needs the containers for shipping. They've lied about and inflated their GDP, import/export, demographic, etc. for decades, and have been caught printing counterfeit Yuan banknotes with the same serial number. Again, you'd have to be extremely low IQ, WuMao, or an asshurt chinsect to actually believe China is going to do anything but shrink for the next two decades.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Their ports are filling up with empty shipping containers
            OH thank Christ that means those fucking empty containers aren't choking up MY ports anymore
            hopefully they eventually end up wherever they actually need to go but for now shipping them back to china is a good bloody start

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, America can just embargo its technology and products whenever it wants and the rest of the world will come right back around.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          whole purpose of China was to peg below the dollar. And to become the owner of more debt from the world is not what the Chinese need. Wouldn't that be the same mistake the US is making? So yes I do not believe China is trying to become a New World Order, rather it is defending the one the US is trying to dismantle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Looking at absolute numbers rather than percent of GDP.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        to be fair, the only other countries that have a higher debt to gdp ratio are japan and a bunch of shitholes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the gap with other high quality countries isn't big, it's complicated by the US' weird debt structure, and reflective of the appetite for massive trillion dollar spending bills on top of the deficit, which hides how much growth the market has achieved relative to past deficit
          if good ol' USA stops passing stimulus for a few years, everyone else will catch up at the rate of current expansion

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Over 35 trillion in debt

      A third of the debt is debt owed to itself. For example: one part of the government borrows money from the other. Only around 25% of the debt in total is owed to foreign countries. Not to mention that USD is the worlds reserve currency which means they could print a shit load of money out of thin air and people will still want it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > The US wont be around in 20 years.
      That’s only true because it will become the United States of Earth. Then the United States of Sol. And then the United States of the Milky Way.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Historically even actuall default si smal bump in countries history. Russia had default do you remember when? No. Its such small event ni one remebers it.
      But US can't even go default because their debt is enumeratee in US dollars US can always just print more money.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I know it's a bait post but I'll bite incase any lurkers actually believe this shit - the US debt literally does not matter as long as the payments on net interest are manageable in the federal budget. For example, check pic related, the budget for FY2021. See that tiny net interest section on the left there? That's the effect of the national debt.

      Oh also it's not owed to China dumbass it's owed to global money markets

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >797 billion in health
        >696 billion in medicare

        how on earth does 1.5 trillion not buy resort tier healthcare for every american

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because the system is immensely inefficient, and in its inefficiency it provides a shitload more jobs than it would otherwise

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Decently good answer actually

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because it's not designed to serve every American, it's designed to create pharma and insurance profits and high salaries for executives and certain professionals. But those stats prove that "resort tier healthcare for every American" is not actually unaffordable like the shills claim.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Need more white collar welfare jobs to help suck the tax payer money pot dry. Plus almost half of all physicians are 55+ which puts a hard cap on how much throwing money at the problem can actually solve things.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >% growth
            I sleep
            Retarded graph.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The easiest way to make something very expensive but worse is to let the government control it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          they didn't regulate the health sector so it all just gets sucked away by rampant profiteering

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Massive duplication of administrative costs and a complete lack of economies of scale. Every medium-sized hospital has a huge admin department that sucks up a double digit percentage of the budget, and their logistics systems buy products at wildly inflated prices and charge them to patients at 10x those prices.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the interest payments are on track to be around a trillion a year in a few years
        it's going to be bigger than the military budget

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          creditors do not want that trillion dollars in a lump sum, they just want the promise it can be payed back. America maintains a relatively good credit score because its the largest economy on Earth. Japan maintains a good credit score because its a relatively stable economy. Debt does not matter.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it might not matter now, but it might matter when the debt is 1200% of the gdp and the budget consists of 95% interest payment
            people complain about the inflationary pressures of releasing trillion dollar spending plans but when we're printing that every year to service a debt load, that is not going to be a tenable situation

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Well, even a trillion dollars a year is less than the defense budget. I think it can be done without impacting the lives of the average American, but politicians don't seem to care.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the defense budget was 767 billion this year
                the issue is that the debt is snowballing because the deficit just keeps getting bigger and bigger and consequently the interest payments only keep going up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Even an increase in the debt is fine, so long as it is matched by or outpaced by GDP growth.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the point is the debt is growing a helluva lot faster than the gdp is
                we went from 80% debt to gdp to 120% in less than ten years

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Print more money.
              Value of debt goes down comparitively.
              Pay off debt.
              The point as ever is to transfer the monetary invested assets of the nation, to the super rich investors, those than hold material assets and corporations that hold value in other ways.
              That's all it's ever been and all it will ever be, theft from wagies and savers who invest in USD.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >when the budget consists of 95% interest payment
              I'm not going to be around in 2175.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not a vatmoron, but how does a country operate on such a large budget deficit? Do they just print the difference?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's called having the largest economy in the world. Debt isn't messured in absolutes, but as a percentage of a nations gdp

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's still a good 40% of the budget though, that's what surprised me

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Japan's debt to gdp by comparison is 266%

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Japan is kind of a unique case because they thought they could fix their bubble by spending their way out of it. And before someone brings up 2008 or Covid, we did it for like one year. Japan did it for like 20 years straight, you don't get debt that high otherwise.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's like two counterbalances that even each other out. If you print the global reserve asset then by definition you have to run massive deficits so other institutions have enough dollars to trade, which means you have enough demand of the currency to ensure it doesn't lose value. No one wants to meddle with this because all those institutions holding dollars don't want their assets to become worthless. The reason why de-dollarisation is becoming a thing is because countries don't want to get sanctioned, but most countries don't see themselves as doing anything that will get them sanctioned anyway so they don't care. The sector that is really getting screwed in this deal is US manufacturing and production.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Read about Keynesian Economics and everything will make sense

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            keynesian economics are hella retarded though. like consumption doesn't increase the economy. you're literally getting poorer. that's what consumption means. investments are what grow an economy.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >investments are what grow an economy
              Not true. Investments enrich investors, not the economy at large. Consumption by the populace increases the economy. It's why consumer spending is such an important metric.Consumption is a misnomer, it's really participation in the market. If you haven't noticed, almost every financial crash in the last 40+ years has been the result of drawn back participation in the market(slumping jobs, low consumer spending, etc.) and increases in investments(mortgage debt trading and the like)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >keynsianism
                >not completely retarded
                pick one. investments improve economy because they improve production and expand future economic options through either better efficiency or opportunities.

                no matter how many houses you burn to "create market participation" the econmy will not become richer because what you're doing is destroying investments rather than creating them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Except every house built adds jobs, which leads to more pay to more people, which leads to more consoomers and such.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, that's the keynsian excuses they use to ruin our lives

                i hope they ruin yours first, to create jobs, you know

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's the broken window fallacy. Read Bastiat.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No its not, its the fence value strategy
                The idea is that a fence has more value than the value of the parts and labour used to build it, thus building the fence creates value and grows the economy (but only if the fence is being built to do something useful)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're a fucking retard and you have never read a word of Keynes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not in a consumption based economy :^)
              Check mate

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I tried reading about Keynes once, but I gave up before I got to the part about the Sand Worms.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The American government unironically has so much money that it doesn't really matter as long as we make some small interest payments each month.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The debt is mostly owed to itself. LIke 90% or some shit. Really, congress could at any time just pay for it out of the budget without cutting a single program, but it's a political tool. 'Our debt is ballooning thanks to the MIC/entittlement programs' etc. etc.

          Essentially when they don't want to raise taxes, but want to fund something they go 'We're loaning ourselves 2 trillion dollars'. Technically it's paid for out of government coffers, but instead of marking it as paid they just mark it as a debt because taking a 'loan' is politically easier than appropriating funds the 'proper' way

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >congress could at any time just pay for it out of the budget without cutting a single program
            No, they couldn't. The debt is about 30 trillion. The annual budget is about 4 trillion. Being owed to Americans is slightly deceptive, because those American bonds are what's going to be used to pay Social Security, i.e. if they're paid off they zero out and the boomers have to fund their own retirements. This will never happen, so instead they'll be inflated away at the price of raising cost of living for the rest of us.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >because those American bonds are what's going to be used to pay Social Security
              What the fuck are you talking about? That's just wrong you dumb fuck.
              Social Security is paid via tax rolls and interest on holding that much money. It's regularly plundered by administrations that then turn around and complain about how we have to raise the age for it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No shit, SS is paid out of the general fund. Now what do you think is backing its credit rating? Tip: not gold or aircraft carriers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >bonds are used for paying for Social Security
                >No they're not
                >Well, they back the credit rating!Which is like paying for it but not
                Fuck off, you have no idea how our government's financials work. Social Security isn't part of the government debt.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are you referring to the mythical "lockbox", that happens to be "invested" in T-Bills?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Economies can keep going for a surprisingly long time past when you think they would collapse, Russia's economy right now is a great example of this in action and the US isn't bleeding anywhere near as heavily as that even after all the COVID spending and the ongoing downturn

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >as long as payment
        If you pay for it, then it means you're not paying for another thing from the federal budget, thus loss of social security/military funding/science/research/etc/etc

        >but just print money and pay with that
        That gets you inflation, which means ordinary people will pay the cost with higher cost of goods. When there's inflation, there's tax increase, which means cost of goods rise once more for tax payers. But tax means it slows down business, which means slowed growth in economy. Slow growth in economy could lead to recessions, thus the gov puts in more money into the economy, thereby increase debt once more.

        We're in a viscious cycle in terms of our spending. Healthy economy runs on a virtuous cycle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I got some newa for you:

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      us is one the longest continuous governments currently existing, what other countries did not collapse and reform since end of 18th century?
      chinks were occupied by multiple nations in recent history and after ww2 they had a civil wat, which is still somewhat going on considereing taiwan exists as a paralel chinese society

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Funny, that's exactly what the USSR was saying. Sadly we cannot reach them for comment for some reason.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Other countries actually owe more money to the USA than the USA owes to other countries. Most of the debt is domestic actually and its money held up in things like the Social Security trust.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the debt is fake.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The US is taking on debt because it is unable to get money otherwise. If the US is unable to pay back its debts, that means that the US is completely out of money, and nobody would lend to them, as they are unable to pay back. US bonds are the most popular because they are seen as low-risk for debt default.

      >muh debt
      Majority of US debt is owed domestically, not internationally.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Implessive!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Actually very little of our debt is to China, I think Japan owns more. Regardless, most of our debt is to ourselves thanks to quantitative easing, which is a concept only an economist could have come up with
      >you borrow money from yourself to yourself in order to stimulate the economy by spending your own money on yourself (and thus the money flows from you back to you) in order to increase monetary yields and thus stabilize the economy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Think of it as the economic version of the double jump.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          At this point I just assume that anyone that isn't an economist or a head of industry has no fucking clue how the economy actually works and thus I can discard their opinion. I just used quantitative easing as my example because the way I see it if that makes no sense to someone, they're disqualified from having any power over how macroeconomics works.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            economists don't know either

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes but they've at least studied the bullshit the world runs on, they actually know that the economy on its deepest level is unironic "you have to clap to show you believe in fairies in order to save Tinkerbell's life at the end of the play" logic, because the concept of money doesn't exist in the natural world, we had to make it up. But everything past that is theory too complicated for the average person to understand.

              Think about it, why is gold valuable as a currency? Why were most economies backed by gold for the longest time and not just some other rock that's limited in supply? Sure there's practical uses for gold in modern electronics but we only found that out millenia later. You can't make good armor or weapons out of it because it's simultaneously too soft and too heavy. And sure its softness meant it could be easily made into coins but the same can be said of silver and copper. It wasn't difficult to obtain or require heavy machinery like oil or most coal deposits. It's just a shiny rock that we like, and because enough people for long enough agreed that this shiny rock is the BEST shiny rock (except the Chinese whose shiny rock was Jade but was too limited to make into a currency), no one really questioned why we backed our currency with gold, we simply did.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                we don't back currency on gold anymore because the value of gold was independent of external economic factors and was thus deemed less reliable. Say what you will about imaginary fiat currency, but it remains relatively stable because its supply is in direct response to market forces.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fiat is arguably the most real any currency can be, because it is backed by violence.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Think about it, why is gold valuable as a currency?
                Doesn't go bad, its rate of inflation is fixed and it can't be faked thanks to its density. It's the same logic as with bitcoin

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >its rate of inflation is fixed
                it isn't, although in the 1800s it was a half-reasonable proxy for the rate of economic growth since most growth was in industry, and industrial improvements were the big factor in gold "inflation" (i.e. better mining equipment and techniques.)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >its rate of inflation is fixed
                Lolno. The Spaniards managed to crash the plane with no survivors when they brought in all those thousands of tons of Aztec/Inca gold, and the Germans got a taste of that as well after the French flooded them with war reparations ahead of schedule. If anything, gold inflation has an even more destructive effect than fiat inflation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >why is gold valuable as a currency?
                For several very simple reasons. Gold is difficult to fake, it has a certain sheen to it, which most alloys that don't contain any gold don't have, you will recognize it when you see it. It is also very easy to verify whether something is or is not Gold. And because is so soft and malleable, it's easy to work and produce coinage and the likes and because it's heavy, it functions well in a system based on weighing things, because the larger the weight the smaller the error.
                Gold was also very easy to obtain, compared to other shiny rocks.

                It is also, to this day useless except for niche high conductivity applications, because usually copper and silver are good enough.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Silver is actually the best conductor of the three. They would otherwise have used gold for the Manhattan Project.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Silver corrodes about as quickly as copper, though, gold is significantly longer-lasting than both.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The difference between laymen and economists is that laymen don't understand the economy but sometimes get things right by accident and economists do understand the economy but always lie on purpose.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >why is gold valuable as a currency?
                Off the top of my head
                >Beautiful (I developed gold fever as a child when I took a trip to Sovereign Hill and got to see a vein stuck in the wall of an old mine)
                >doesn't corrode (and will thus store its value indefinitely)
                >chemically pure (even if you mix it with other metals it can always still be recycled back into pure gold again unlike for example steel)
                >rare (limited supply and difficulty of production means that your investment will not be devalued over time by an increase in supply)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone pretending to know how any of this shit works at this point is pulling your leg

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            economists don't know either

            Economists know. But you shouldn't trust them, because when they say something like "it'll be good for the economy" what they actually mean is "it'll be good for the economy when using metrics based on how much my employers benefit, but very bad if I were to use metrics based on how much the average peasant benefits." So they're typically right, but not necessarily with the meaning you think they have.

            When you hear an economist say something's good for the economy you should read that as "this will gouge the fuck out of you filthy peasants and put more money in the hands of the ultra-rich."

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't QE the process of actually paying that debt you owe to yourself back?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And how are those debt holders going to stand up to the fleet of B-21s their money is going toward paying?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We are in debt to China in the same way the bank you put your money at is in debt to you. "Debt" is just the scary word for money, because if you don't frighten central bankers and finance ministers they'll create money with no discipline or restraint.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And if China tries to collect that debt they'll be laughed at.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As if the Yuan exists independently of it (or the GDP numbers weren't systematically fraudulent). There are no 'super powers' with Developing Nation Status from the UN, and there never will be.

      >"No, we do not [think about the cost of borrowing for the USA itself]. In other words, that's... fiscal dominance. IF we were constrained in our monetary policy by the budgetary situation of the USA (and we're not, we're clearly not) the path we're on is not sustainable *but the level of debt that we have is not unsustainable. "Is not" is sustainable, put it that way. So we don't think about interest costs when we make monetary policy, we think about maximum employment and price stability." — Chairman Powell, March 7 2023

      Also Powell,
      >"There's room for more than one reserve currency in the world."

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mutt who has no idea how bad debt can be outside their suburban home clinging on with 4 maxed out credit cards

      America has 125% of their total GDP as debt, Britain survived a 250% spiral in the early 19th century. have a nice day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The US is taking on debt because it is unable to get money otherwise. If the US is unable to pay back its debts, that means that the US is completely out of money, and nobody would lend to them, as they are unable to pay back. US bonds are the most popular because they are seen as low-risk for debt default.

      >t. stupid chink who doesnt understand that sovereign debt is not normal debt
      if you are the issuer of the currency your debt is denominated in, you cannot default unless you choose to do so on purpose for whatever reason

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      From the same minds that brought you the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, comes:
      >Let's try to debt trap a nation whose principal export is war itself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the best part in this whole discussion is China isn't even the largest foreign holder of US debt anymore...

        ...Japan is

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Neither of which are even a significant amount since the vast majority is domestic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fighting words from a nation with no immigration and a way lower fertility rate than the US despite having a shittier economy.
      The US's domestic debt will result in slightly higher taxes, cutting of social services, and inflation at most.
      China's demographic collapse will result in deindustrialization and balkanization. This isnt new in chinese history, but demographic collapse sure as fuck is new, we have no idea how to deal with a situation where there just isnt enough people breeding as the population gets older and older.
      >The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just don't pay back the debt lmao, fuck 'em lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      japan has more % of GDP in debt than USA

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >chinks hoping for 'merica to not be able to afford things
    lmao

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >China Hopes
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >USAF Analysis
    Don't worry, China is scared of us, we are sure.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this + a printer makes it irrelevant how much debt you have

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, until your people become so impoverished through inflation and economic mismanagement that the underlying economy collapses and all the printed money in the world can't buy the government the skilled labor and resources that it used to purchase.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the underlying economy collapses
        OWN PROPERTY (own property), you filthy renter
        >the skilled labor and resources
        HAVE SKILLS (have skills), you filthy serf
        >the government
        is a non-entity: no piece of paper can easily take your land or your skills from you as long as you also OWN FIREARMS and know how to use them, you filthy coward, and that's what sets the USA apart

        >797 billion in health
        >696 billion in medicare

        how on earth does 1.5 trillion not buy resort tier healthcare for every american

        because we also pay for Europe's healthcare by permitting European countries to make hostage-tier deals with pharma companies, while allowing them to offload this ludicrous cost burden onto Americans & American insurance
        >Rinvoq
        developed by American company AbbVie, superior to standard of care - market cost here (pre insurance) is in excess of $6,100 for a month
        "NICE said a 28-day supply of Rinvoq costs £805.56, and it will be available to the National Health Service with a discount under a confidential commercial agreement."
        How convenient for the UK, enjoy your free meds
        >Keytruda
        developed by American company Organon, resold via acquisitions to Merck - market cost here (pre insurance) is in excess of $32,000 for a single cycle, or effectively 1 month
        NICE doesn't recommend it because they couldn't get them to budge beyond a 50% discount from US price, German sellers negotiated price down to 1/3rd + coupons so now you can get it ten euro per 4 mL if you qualify
        How convenient for Germany, enjoy your free meds
        so on and so forth, it would be cheaper to ship every American to Europe to get care but then Europe's market would implode without American subsidy lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >retard actually thinks pharma corps aren't still making massive profits on the "discounted" prices

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ignoring the question of who subsidizes who, I think this is a good illustration of how market power works.
          If one US healthcare provider refuses to buy Rinvoq at hostage-tier prices from AbbVie, customers who need/want it will swap provider - especially if AbbVie are advertising the drug on TV, which is something that's legal only in the US and in NZ. AbbVie has a monopoly on supply, while healhcare providers have to compete to buy it. In the UK, that doesn't happen because the NHS essentially has a monopoly on access to UK "customers", so the situation is reversed - the NHS has power over AbbVie, and if they want to sell more than a handful of doses of Rinvoq to the tiny number of people with private insurance, then they have to make an offer the NHS is prepared to accept. (And unlike most monopolies, the NHS can't just pay whatever AbbVie wants and pass it on to the customer - so they've got a big incentive to walk away from a bad price)

          If the US disappeared and £805 per 28 day supply wasn't enough to cover development costs when selling to Europe, prices would go up, but the idea that they'd go up to $6100 is very optimistic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >thinks US subsidises European healthcare
          Remind me who invented insulin and the cost to Americans compared to Canadians and Europeans. Because US prices on medication are fuck all to do with investment and subdisidising Europe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Very low IQ post.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >umm actually we're not suckers who the garden gnomes rip off at any opportunity, we're just the good goys trying to help the world by paying 1000% mark up + tip for healthcare

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how's that dedollarization going for ya

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    High value asset protection is very impractical when the enemy has lots of stealth aircraft, detection ranges drop to shit meaning you need a lot more radars to cover the same ground. Interception with SAMs gets harder because the FCR effective range is reduced, meaning you have to lean harder on interceptor aircraft.

    Sensor fusion, passive radars etc. will of course augment the existing systems, but there is no magic bullet solution.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yah, B-21 + JASSM-ER = nothing is out of reach.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And B-21 + JASSM-ER + aerial refueling = we can go around your elbow to get to your asshole

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Or rather, we will go around somebody else’s elbow to get to your asshole

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Elbows to asses, we are the best.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Or rather, we will go around somebody else’s elbow to get to your asshole

              And B-21 + JASSM-ER + aerial refueling = we can go around your elbow to get to your asshole

              PrepHole - A magical place

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >USAF analysis: we're about to retire, so give our future employer 40 bazillion dollars or China will molest you in your sleep.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When will Based Chinks build their own B-2 equivalent bomber?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      China will get a 1st-Generation stealth bomber around the time the US adopts a 5th-generation one. They're already 3 generations behind, what's one more?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >China hopes the US can't afford
    Does China not understand how the MIC works? We just make more money to build more, simple as

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's really bizarre to see 4chanlacks circle all the way back around into simping for chinks, of all people

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Contrarianism is one hell of a drug.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nu pol is basically western tankies + China and Russia shills

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's mostly the few gays who like TRS or those who are simply so desperate for garden gnomes to get a black eye that they somehow think chinks gaining their own sphere of influence will mean the dreaded ZOG just instantly collapses. Because we didn't already have 50 long cold war during white garden gnomes grabbed power.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was inevitable, honestly. Shitposting about politics is the lowest hanging fruit imaginable, it's only natural that the worst kind of people congregated there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      2011-2015 4chan was schizo but overall had some good takes but still could be enjoyed, after 2016, 2020, and ukraine war it was filled with brown thirdies, leftypol, russian/chinese/usa shills and q tard boomers. nu4chan is so mindbroken they believe that a way to save themselves and their nation is to kill themselves to make it better. I stoped going on really after 2016 trump election. I went on and I saw people actually saying unironically that some 10 year old was raped was good for her and her family because she wont cheat in the future

      pic related is who is calling me a Westoid

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's mostly the few gays who like TRS or those who are simply so desperate for garden gnomes to get a black eye that they somehow think chinks gaining their own sphere of influence will mean the dreaded ZOG just instantly collapses. Because we didn't already have 50 long cold war during white garden gnomes grabbed power.

        nu pol is basically western tankies + China and Russia shills

        Contrarianism is one hell of a drug.

        It's really bizarre to see 4chanlacks circle all the way back around into simping for chinks, of all people

        Why are shills pushing the narrative that anyone likes china on this site?
        https://forward.com/schmooze/159051/a-garden gnome-in-maos-china/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          China went nuts with the shilling since 2019 and specially with the propaganda during the pandemic. Consider that a good % of the insectoid diaspora do it for free while leeching their host countries

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see be opposed to the US as being pro-not-US. The reality is just that the US is the center of intersectional progressivism's development, and the place from which is grows out to infect the rest of the world. The situation in the US has to be resolved before it drags the rest of the world down with it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The biggest bullshit cope terminally online Euros and Thirdies have been pushing for years has got to be the rest of the world pretending to be passive good boys who dindu nuffin while mean ol' Uncle Sam forces them to adopt policies democratically. It isn't America or Americans voting in your elections dumbass

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        KEK. Right on script. You're either a WuMao shill, or so low IQ you got gaslit by WuMao, and believed the most basic of bullshit thrown out by the CCP. Congrats, you may actually be retarded. Please, take this IQ test, so we can further narrow your problem down:

        https://test.mensa.no/

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >goes to read the article
    >china hopes
    >meanwhile its the assumption of the writer and gives literally no context

    typical

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they just spent 20 years and an insane amount of money building the J20 using reverse-engineered tech from a shot down F117, pictures from the internet, and hacked documents they can't verify as accurate and then LM peeled back a curtain and said "here's Johnny!" with some crazy fucking thing they can't fathom and they know they'll need another decade to grasp the theory behind it's operating principles at minimum.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget all the avionics and other shit that Israel sold them. That act alone is sufficient to glass the garden gnomes' shithole nation down to the bedrock.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We were selling them blackhawks, until Deng decided to shoot up Tiananmen Square

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It just looks like a stealth bomber but white.
    That being said, if anyone can afford shiny new ways to kill people, it's the US.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >next gen VLO craft
    >heavy payload
    >based CONUS but still has range + standoff to threaten
    If purchased in relevant numbers (100-200) it effectively gives the U.S. the ability to deliver massed fires well outside Chinas A2AD and they can take off from bases in the middle of the US. The burgers can do this now of course but the B-2 is in short supply and the rest of the fleet is not stealthy (though the payload is higher and standoff weapons still apply). The B-2 fleet is already a capability not found anywhere else in the world as of right now, now imagine it cutting edge and potentially 5 to 8 times the size. They could effectively destroy all US forward areas in the pacific and sink a carrier or two and the US retains the ability to execute VLO standoff strikes with a much high sortie rate. Decent options to counter would be executing strikes on CONUS from cruise missiles fired from submarines or just IRBMs maybe. Submarines involve dealing with the US Navy on home turf and china is short on nuke subs with the required range and endurance for that since their whole set up its predicated on keeping the US away and playing defense.
    A nightmare scenario for china is 6th gen fighters in service with very very good range and speed as well as large fleet of B-21s. Having to deal with that capability that is significantly harder to suppress and defeat while also executing a blockade/amphibious assault is a tall order. I don't even think the US could pull it off without egregious losses. It's one of the reasons they're investing into the H-20. They need a way to counter that punch and the sub fleet they have isn't up to it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >china is short on nuke subs with the required range and endurance

      For now. But when will the fleet of B-21 reach numbers of hundred. By 2035? Don't you think China will improve its situation by then and possibly even have its own fleet of H-20 long range stealth bombers?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It will be as good as J-20

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: PrepHole tells 4chan that it's retarded on PrepHole

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wars today are fought just as much by the bean-counters as they are by the soldiers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wars are fought with treasure as much as blood.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What will you say if the first B-21 prototypes start crashing and having dumb problems?
    Will USA double down on buying malfunctioning asset?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      of course the first prototypes will crash and have problems, that's literally what prototypes are for

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Loose lips sink ships, and the 5th column(s) in tech were never taken seriously (or nuclear proliferation never would have started out of the Manhattan Project with a coven of Soviet spies and pinko facilitators).

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    people routinely forget that when it comes to business and economics, debt is a tool as much as it is something to be avoided. Debt that goes nowhere and gets you nothing is bad, debt that gives you ways to make more money is good.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wide

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do we actually have a shot of the ass end of the B21 yet? It’s all cgi and artist renditions.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nope

      They got the old version at least https://thediplomat.com/2015/01/new-snowden-documents-reveal-chinese-behind-f-35-hack/

      >The Chinese hackers were also successful in obtaining data on the B-2 stealth bomber, the F-22 jet, space-based lasers, missile navigation and tracking systems, as well as nuclear submarine/anti-air missile designs.

      "data" can mean a lot of things, not many of which are actually useful for adversarial purposes

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They are already working on it, its called the b-2 i mean h-2 https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/h-20-what-we-know-about-chinas-stealth-bomber/

        They have done the same shit with uav and reaper drones

        https://news.usni.org/2015/10/27/chinas-military-built-with-cloned-weapons

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To the main point of the article, B-21s cost ~$700 million. China isn't "HOPING" but rather their military thinktank analysis are reporting that US may not be able to afford it due to the high cost, similar to B-2 spirit low production units, which costs a staggering ~700+M in 1997 money (~$1.4 billion today). B-2 was produced when US economic was near its height relative to everyone else. Now the US military budget is early $900B with rising GDP percentage. Meanwhile, China's own military GDP percentage spending is shrinking or stable while the overall spending is rising dramatically due to reliance on catch up tech cost efficiencies(stealing r/d or just copying ideas that just work or tech transfers or buying em out and reverse engineering).

    So relatively speaking, US's high military budget, extremely high debt, RAPIDLY growing debt, internal economic sabatoge (covid shutdown), etc are looming over our heads.

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