Why are straight blowback actions so overlooked?

>inherently more accurate due to fixed barrel
>simplicity and need to not lock or unlock action contributes to high reliability
>naturally provides low bore axis and pointability
>caliber limitations are a non issue modern defense 380 is effectively identical to 9mm or similar within its usage portfolio whilst providing lower recoil/higher capacity

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    recoil

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    more accurate due to fixed barrel
    the shooter is the most important variable in whether a gun is accurate
    and need to not lock or unlock action contributes to high reliability
    Not necessarily, the simplicity doesn't lead to more reliability over other designs. Blowback designs can easily fail purely because you use a different ammo
    provides low bore axis and pointability
    This is such a non-issue on pistols
    limitations are a non issue modern defense 380 is effectively identical to 9mm or similar within its usage portfolio whilst providing lower recoil/higher capacity
    Completely false.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >This is such a non-issue on pistols
      Very much an issue.

      Too much recoil.

      This. Straight blowback has much harder recoil than delayed blowback.

      >more accurate
      A pistol could shoot 10 MOA and be more accurate than you would ever need.
      >high reliability
      Blowback is balanced around a very narrow margin of ammo pressure, bullet weight, and muzzle energy. A particularly light or heavy load can induce a malfunction in most SBB guns.
      >low bore axis
      Not enough to overcome the rest of the recoil issues
      >caliber limitations
      Frick you I want 10mm

      Also, they kick harder and weigh more than any other operating mechanism. It's really frickin easy to make and that's about it for their usefulness.

      >A pistol could shoot 10 MOA and be more accurate than you would ever need.
      Good sights on a handgun do help with practical accuracy.

      Straight blowback isn't overlooked either, it has a great place for small carry guns and static competition shooting.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Very much an issue.
        You fell for the bore-axis meme.

        Like anon said, it's a non-issue. This is worse than trigger-snobbery. But go ahead, try and tell me the P320 or the Beretta 92 aren't viable platforms because they have some of the highest bore axis of mass produced auto pistol designs.

        Don't worry, I'll wait.

        In other news straight blowback designs suck because you either have to have a lot of mass in the slide or a high spring weight to delay opening. Even then they don't prevent the slide from opening during dwell time but prevent it from opening enough so you don't have a case rupturing.

        Either way to get a good straight blowback action you either have a gun that's heavier than a mechanically delayed action or that's a lot more difficult to rack. It's only viable in smaller calibers because the spring or slide weight doesn't have to be atrocious.

        Also they are more susceptible to failure based on different ammo.

        Their biggest benefit is that they're cheap to make. Why do you think it's what Hi-Point guns all use?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Cope. Go watch someone shoot a c96 and tell me bore axis doesn’t matter. So many of these modern guns shove the barrel so high up to jam as many rounds into it as possible and people wonder why the shooting dynamics are shit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the reasons guns have high bore axis is to jam in more rounds
            fricking lol this website holy shit.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because it requires either a very stiff spring, an incredibly heavy slide, or a mid-ground between both which is dogshit.

    Case in point: HiPoint

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I never knew they made a simple blowback in 9x19. Now I want one just for the novelty value.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Literally everything hi-point makes is straight blow back.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They also make one in .45 ACP, .40, .380.
        If you want one, by all means; not like it's setting you back much money.
        Keep in mind the firing pin on a Hi-Point doubles as the ejector, if you look closely.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because by and large the blowback design has been tested and tried in every imaginable way.
    From 22lr to 9x18 to SMGs of every kind and even some autocannon designs.

    You're obviously talking about pistols, so the main thing is that they're prolific already.
    Or was your question just a dumb time wasting slide thread since your last statement is obviously moronic.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking boat anchors

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Too much recoil.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hard to put a good trigger in it. and recoil.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >more accurate
    A pistol could shoot 10 MOA and be more accurate than you would ever need.
    >high reliability
    Blowback is balanced around a very narrow margin of ammo pressure, bullet weight, and muzzle energy. A particularly light or heavy load can induce a malfunction in most SBB guns.
    >low bore axis
    Not enough to overcome the rest of the recoil issues
    >caliber limitations
    Frick you I want 10mm

    Also, they kick harder and weigh more than any other operating mechanism. It's really frickin easy to make and that's about it for their usefulness.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >be gun manufacturer
    >want gun to be viable for as many people as possible
    >if heavy spring limp wrists can't pull back slide
    >if heavy slide it's a b***h to carry / aim
    Delay is better for every case except making SMGs in your shed.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    caliber limitations are a non issue modern defense 380 is effectively identical to 9mm or similar within its usage portfolio whilst providing lower recoil/higher capacity

    >effectively identical
    No
    >lower recoil
    Not enough to matter

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >straight blowback
    >lower recoil

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Straight blowback isn't overlooked. It's been used extensively for over a century in 9mm Makarov, .380 acp, .32 acp, and .25 acp pistols.

    Short recoil is used more for .380 these days because they are smaller and lighter than their blowback counterparts, which is critically important for concealed carry pistols, the market for which has exploded in the last generation.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Simply put Browning (p.b.u.h.) invented a perfectly "good enough" tilting barrel system that gives you acceptable accuracy and great reliability at a relatively cheap cost. SBB's only sales point is simplicity and cost and the gap is too small to overcome the fact that noone wants a fricking Hi-Point sized brick for a 9mm handgun. The benefits you describe are negligible or non existant

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You failed to address any of the certifiable facts and reasoning presented and instead resorted to hipoint cope as your argument. your opinion will be discarded into the trash

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Inherent accuracy is only noticed by a small percentile of shooters when comparing short recoil (SR) actions vs direct blowback (DB). Typically a shooter’s skill, quality of trigger, sights, and overall ergonomics will play a larger role.

    The simplicity is offset by the required slide mass and/or recoil spring tension. Side by side a SR will always be overall lighter than a DB of same caliber and similar capacity and barrel length. Also keep in mind that both SR and DB require quite a bit of calculation and engineering to get right. Note that if you consider parts counts, DB is often tied with SR or just barely beats it (depending on design).

    Bore axis on both SR and DB is heavily dependent on other design considerations beside the operating system.

    The 380 ACP is an adequate cartridge for self defense but the 9x19 beats it in velocity, abundance, price, and options available. 9x19 only loses in recoil, which in itself is heavily dependent on the firearm being used. Regarding capacity, the cartridges take up the same amount of height in a magazine, while length of cartridge is mostly meaningless.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what the frick a usage portfolio is but it sounds like every gun owned by a white man should have one. How well does your product kill joggers, good sir and does it have options in bagging rioters?

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