Literally every open carry boomer I see is carrying an FDE sig, often a compact. Wtf is this meme?
Don’t even try to argue popularity. Most of the carriers under 40 I know carry glocks.
Why are boomers obsessed with this gun?
Literally every open carry boomer I see is carrying an FDE sig, often a compact. Wtf is this meme?
Don’t even try to argue popularity. Most of the carriers under 40 I know carry glocks.
Boomers always choose whatever the army has. Always have.
This
As a side note I was active duty in a three letter Army organization that primarily investigates butt touches that shall remain nameless and we got M18s super early. They were so God damn shitty and gay they had to force people to trade in M11s when they kept failing to show up to the armory to do the swap. The biggest red flag for us was the safety would somehow switch itself off in 90% of the duty holsters worn.
So you were CID? What does it take to get in? What's the coolest stuff those guys do?
CID kek, and yea boomers always choose whatever the Army uses, 1911, M9, M17
They got lucky with the M9, superb pistol. Love the new and improved iterations of the M9.
NCIS is definitely a bunch of butt touchers.
This + high bore axis more comfy for arthritic boomer hands
I also suspect that SIG makes deals or something with LGSs because all the ones I've been to have a whole wall of SIG accessories and really push SIG pistols if you ask their opinion on a buy
>most of the carriers under 40 I know carry glocks
I imagine that's not representative since the Sig 365 has absolutely dominated the last year or so of CCW
Yeah, but Glock has dominated the last 20, and the p365 is situational, if I can get away with a larger gun, I'm going to carry a larger gun
That doesn't explain why you'd drop so far down past the better competition to buy a Glock.
It means that the people that have been buying Glocks for 20 years outnumber the ones that bought a 365 last year
like what
>situational
ok the 365X is basically the same grip size as a 19, what do I need a 19 for?
It has a longer grip but it's slimmer, a slim handgun is fine for carry but it's easier to throw shots to the right because the circumference of the grip doesn't fill your hand like a full size does
unless you're shooting competitively, minute of man is about all you'll need to look at.
That sounds a lot like a compromise to me
>if I can get away with a larger gun, I'm going to carry a larger gun
I just carry what's comfortable, and I love pocket carrying. The p365 is the perfect size, but also striker garbage so frick them.
Sounds like you don’t know anyone with taste…
>modular
>innovative
>cool
>nice shooting
>good trigger
>makes glocks obsolete
simple as
This.
>Buy p365xl
Never buy another cc product from glonk
>buy p320
Never buy another duty product from glonk again
Just buy a 17 and a 34 slide
underrated
easier to buy a 34 and a 17 slide, compete 34 slide/barrel assemblies can be hard to come by
Thank you Sig marketing division
But what if I want a gun that's safe and reliable instead?
like what
please don't say CZ or Glock please
Did you enjoy your official Sig Rust™?
Unproven firearm. Other than being proven to be a literal safety hazard when carrying. Cope and dilate, troony
>modular
Been done before
>the rest
Lmao
33 DEGREES
The same reason they wear tactical boots everywhere
SIGGER
It goes off when dropped.
this. SIG voluntarily fixed all the m17s for the army after MHS trials, which they only won because they could offer millions of winchester 9mm for cheap IF they were chosen. They left the entire civilian market to rot, offering a free program to fix their frickup, but they don't advertise it. Literally had 40 years to improve on glock and still fricked it up in the most hysterical way. Google it, 70+ lawsuits and COUNTING to this day. One mf had one in his gym shorts pocket and it popped on in his leg when he was hustling down some stairs. the fricking things go off when JOSTLED not even dropped. Siggers need not reply, frick you and frick sig.
>the fix
I'm unsure thats what it is. Sig wont admit a problem but quietly provides something called an "upgrade." Like how how does one correct a problem that doesn't exist?
>https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
>The P320® Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost.
>This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector.
All they're doing is lightening the physical weight of some parts of returned units hoping it will decrease the number of accidental discharges. No fundamental change to the design.
Take them to court and see what happens. My guess is nothing. I'll bet you Sig's CEO is not only a chosen by birth but also in a secret int'l club that we are not.
exactly. I'm also privy to more than one voice who have worked in their NH plants, and if you're not a current or ex-servicemember you're subhuman. Treated like a waste of air, if you can't produce and get shit out the door you're absolutely worthless. ((THEY)) have taken whatever pedigree the name held and raped it for all it's worth. heard nothing but good things about p365, so one kudo to them but frick if I'll ever buy one. It's even further disheartening because i was aspiring to get into the industry, and such a big name close to home I thought I'd get my foot in the door but after talking to ex-employees I'll shit on their name til the day I die. I can barely stand my romeo5 that I only got in trade for about $50 of ammo lol
Not surprised. Not a bit.
There is more to this company and its history than we are being told. It’s not just Sig btw, look into how “Saf-T-Hammer” acquired S&W if you have time.
All these fun/defence companies have shareholders and board members (members who often sit on other boards). So most of these people are not just predator class corrupt but also have a powerful global influence. Like walking between the raindrops if ya know what I mean.
Judeo-Masonic homosexuals, just call them out for what they are. Is there any based company out there?
>Is there any based company out there?
I dunno, afraid to look to be honest.
Gaston Glock was a Jorg Haider supporter. Probably still would be if the glowBlack folk didn't have Haider killed off.
we need a community owned firearms company like the GB Packers.
Monthly zoom calls with the board compromised of Mike Glover / FOB / GBRS & SC Irregulars for the checks and balances between members
kek & tbh
I don't know what you mean by "walking between the raindrops".
>I'll bet you Sig's CEO is not only a chosen by birth but also in a secret int'l club that we are not.
~~*Cohen*~~ already drove Kimber into the ground. He's just doing what he does best, which is any fricking rebrand.
Relevant: https://youtu.be/EYbj480MpsI?t=170
I want one so bad, but can't bring myself to put the money down because of what that fricker did to Kimber, I would never trust that gun, I'm not buying anything that dude touches on principle
Get a Dan Wesson Specialist. You’ll thank me later
It's not about having a 1911, I've had a Springfield operator for years, it's about having the SWAT 1911, that's what has been taken from me
The kimber 1911s were quietly drummed out due to issues
Grab a les baer if you want a top quality 1911.
>I don't know what you mean by "walking between the raindrops".
It's a reference to a line in Clay Shaw Interview Scene from the movie JFK (2001).
>"People like you walk between the raindrops."
I think it means the rules don't apply to some or they're untouchable.
Didn't Cohen leave before they made 1911's?
kek
absolutely wrong
i did the upgrade, there is cnc milling to the underside of the slide, upgraded FCU and a lighter trigger.
the gun passed all the required tests, sux it happened but not unheard-of to have issues the need fixing in handguns
Do you REALLY believe they did that testing? You actually think they put the 320 through "the most extreme testing" and didn't discover it wasn't drop safe? Lmao. They went straight to the money and the hookers.
The where not tested, it's been known for a while
I mean, they were, but the army didn't like the results because it painted a bad picture for the sig, so they redacted them
>There may have been other problems with the weapons accuracy
What a fricking lemon, lowest bidder at work
>Due to the Army's redactions of the agency report, the results of Sig Sauer's compact handgun test are unknown
Yeah, nothing fishy going on
Bruh
>Joint Warfighter Ergonomics - Glock: Acceptable
CAN GLOCK EVER RECOVER????
>Early Warfighter acceptance - Sig: Acceptable
Siggers can't cope hard enough
thank you for solidifying my hangups with sig and re-affirming my doubts, and for delivering sources for others who might make the mistake of trusting "them." They'll keep getting away with it, but I won't let anybody I know personally buy or keep one of their fricking insane products. Keep it up, and know your efforts aren't in vain.
Thank you for enabling my autism to look at military procurement related documents
NP. Godspeed anon.
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/unionleader.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/05/f05682b2-2361-573f-8c21-005cb88abc0f/5f03a0863c886.pdf.pdf
>Despite clear evidence of serious safety issues with the P320, as demonstrated by the
Voluntary Upgrade Program and warranty modifications, SIG nevertheless continued to affirm the safety of the P320 as originally designed.
>This is the version that fired on, and hit, Guay without a trigger pull on January 20, 2020 simply when he moved the holster it was in:
Taurus tier performance right here
Hold up Taurus hasnt made that model of millenium in like 15 years
>they only won
They won because they under cut Glock by $150 million. Literally half as much as Gaston's best offer. Glock also really phoned it in in the modularity that the Army really wanted. The only real reason they ended up a finalist is because USASOC has been using G19 Gen 3 MOS guns for a while.
>phoned it in
There you go. Glock didnt even TRY to match the Army and its demands. Exactly 2 guns did--the 320 and sorta the APX, though the APX didnt go as far. The Army wanted a serialed common part to dick around with and Glock's solution was to add a thumb safety and say "that should do it".
They didnt even try, and got undercut. Just like how glock undercut everyone back in the day.
>pre 1980s
them automatics'll get ya killed best get a revolver sonny! Course the only exception bein a colt guverment.
>post 1980s
them 9mm just too damn weak who'in the hell'd get those froo froo prissy pistols. Course the only ception bein that lethal weapon gun the army and mel gibson uses that uhhhh bretta 92
>now
siggers
I still like .40 S&W as a duty weapon and light hunting caliber.
9MM is for conceal carry.
I've got parts for one and it's about to be finished after a year of collecting the parts. I wanted something easy the wife could use and had the option to drop in an optic with out milling a slide. The one thing I kno is the FDE parts are cheaper than the black bits. Tho to be honest I have been thinking about painting it once its finished. Next build will be a dagger for shits in gigs.
M&P 2.0 is the best ergonomic pistol to exist.
Change My Mind.
Sorry only ever owned the following AMT automag 22mag / Walther pps / IRA 1911 / czp09. plenty of people swear by them just like the glock. I am willing to try something new with a decent sized parts market. I went with the X series slide and grips as it feels more like a gun than the standard p320. Only pistol to outlast them all is the CZ womp womp
that is great choice
The grips on the 2.0 feel like sandpaper. Aside from that it's OK. I'd rather have it over a Glock or SIG. Steyr makes the most ergonomic pistols.
Homohands detected.
In terms of mainstream double stack semi autos, yes
Cleary, you've never held a P30 or a PPQ.
agree, fits so good in the hand. The team that worked on the palm swell grip and stippling really perfected it. I think the texture is just right and the people who complain its too rough or sandpaper like must have really soft hands
>the people who complain its too rough or sandpaper like must have really soft hands
i do and it's not that bad just hold it and don't rub your hands all over it
I have the 2nd gen shield and love it. Really wanna get the big boy one, but idk if to stick with 9mm or go up to .40 S&W. Shooting .40 S&W out of a S&W seems very fitting.
Because everyone wants a p365x macro that isnt S H I T and thats as close as weve got
sig sauer is the most popular handgun manufacturer in america
That doesn't mean it's good. Mobs have shit taste.
i never said sig was good or even implied it
he asked why he sees them everywhere and i answered him
When the frick did this happen? Their shit is all cheap plastic crap and this is coming from someone who likes Glock. It’s soulless. What the frick is the appeal?
u mean just like everyone else's new shit?
Frick that, my latest gun is a ruger new model blackhawk and it’s the breasts. I can kill a fricking bear with this thing.
keep in mind this doesn't include imports so it's not a true representation of the pistol market, just american made
in the 9mm category sig is doubling up the second closest company s&w
even with imports included, sig would probably be on top by a mile
So, for example, Austria marked Glocks and HKs would be off that list? Yeah, that's not very representative
Does that include SIG's army contract because that would inflate their numbers quite a bit
Their soulless plastic was a better bargain than glocks soulless plastic considering the p320 had night sights stock and Sig tends to throw in freebies with their sales. Like right now you can get a spare mag and box of Sig defense ammo via rebate.
The fact is Glock doesnt try. Period. Beretta will give you $100 off an APX carry or $75 on a Px4. Springfield will give you THREE magazines on a hellcat extra, that comes with stock night sights. Taurus g2c could be had for $175+tip.
At some point you cant complain when you get outright encircled if you didnt even show up to advertise, and Sig got the best advert of all--the US Army.
All those guns are shit compared to a Glock. The military wants shit paid to the lowest bidder. Sig quality has dropped markedly over the past decade
Anon people just want a gun they dont need to think about much, and that they can carry. P365 is basically g43 size but twice the capacity, and has night sights, an optional safety (and Glock is quite allergic to options), and even often is bundled with a holster and even ammo (like now). For someone who is buying a first carry weapon, Sig offers a lot more options. They have different frame sizes, even weird sight options like the SAS. Which im sure is just a meme, but it's there.
People want to buy a gun "kit" now. Period. Glock needs to get with the times. I am saying that as someone who owns a glock, glock is seriously behind in terms of what they offer. If they offered Shield Arms tier mags stock and even just a front dot night sight they'd be at least competitive. But the average person doesnt want to go through all that effort to get the shield mag, and then the mag button replacement so it doesnt get chewed up, and the night sight, and the holster. Call it laziness, but i call it realism. People dont want to have to buy their own radio for their car, but once upon a time they did. AC too. Now we expect it stock.
So which one is it, sig is the bomb because it's super modular and you can have the Instagramer special or it's the bomb because you don't have to change anything? Can keep track of it anymore
>People want “cartridge failure events” now. Period.
Yeah ok Ron.
there's just no reason for glock to not have something g43 sized with a metal double stack to compete with the 365. the aftermarket mag shit is a cope, not a solution, the mags are insanely expensive, the replacement mag catch feels wrong (seems to increase spring tension or something), it chews up stock mags, and in the g43 itself it doesn't even match the 365's capacity.
I literally just want a 365 shaped glock.
Nobody cares about Glock anymore, dude. Everybody already has one model or another collecting dust. Most haven't fired the goddamn thing in a decade because why would you bring the same shitty plastic range toy after you've already had your fun, and why would you buy another glock if you already have one?
If you're actually asking why people use the SIGs though its probably because the added weight helps to control recoil and reduces the strain on your wrist relative to a Glock. Glocks aren't that great at the range - you have a lot of options in aftermarket attachments but its just not all that great to shoot, which is the only reason people buy a fricking range toy.
It's the one way they can own a polymer framed handgun and other boomers won't bully them for it
Is he the one on the right? Dude looks like a total fricking wiener
kek the first time I took this to the range, a zoomer started ogling it and asking me questions about my “build.” People just like any gun adopted by the military.
are the sig pistols made in europe? i dont trust american made guns
I cannot wait for coyote tan to die
Sig europe is basically vestigial. Sig USA is pretty much running the show now, including production of the current line of Sigs.
>I cannot wait for coyote tan to die
You're gonna be waiting a long time. It's based on natural camouflage so it blends into any environment better than black. Unless camoflage is of no concern AT ALL then coyote tan is going to be the color most often used from here on. It brings me no delight to tell you this either.
no they're made in the United States and owned by Roy Cohen, who was the same guy who decided that Kimbers should all be made out of potmetal, then convinced boomers they were a status item. avoid at all costs.
I got mine because I was curious about it, buddy had it, was hard up for cash and picked it up for 350 bucks. I do enjoy shooting it?
The hellcat was my daughters choice for her 21st birthday.
>I do enjoy shooting it?
Do you?
No, I really do like shooting it. The grip fits my hand well, and I actually like the trigger.
The hellcat really is my daughters gun. We went and looked at a lot, and she liked the ergo's of that one best. It seems to be a very capable conceal / carry option.
>daughter
*hits pipe*
FDE looks like shiiiiiiiit
Boomers grew up thinking that institutions within society work as promised. They use appeals to authority as a reflex, leaning on titles, certifications, and qualifications as if they bestowed the truth on a person implicitly.
They offload all judgement and cognitive thought onto institutions. In this case, it's the military.
Only real answer
Since I'm getting a little encouragement, I'll try to pad my statement here a bit more with quite a few buzz words:
Boomers, due to the environment they were raised in, with a high degree of media control and other factors, e.g. how the economy served them with the lower rates of income and wealth inequality and easy upward mobility, don't recognize what incentives drive sociopathic institutions.
There are embedded growth obligations, and also overblown and often-manufactured crises to justify the existence of institutions (literal rackets).
The first person to speak the truth with any true predictive power will not be platformed, or might suffer reputational loss. Boomers don't realize that pundits and whatever "experts" who go on tv or whatever are whoever is hired to toe a party line (the general one of "everything is fine; institutions work as promised, here's the plausible lie that will confirm your prior biases so you won't feel the need to investigate any closer.") These lies will of course support the big lie, lie by omission, etc. that induces the desired course of action from the populace that is the true payload.
These professionally idiotic "experts" will only tell the truth when it is staring everyone in the face, and will act as if people are only just at that point in time learning it. This inescapable truth will be told only then, like by Emanuel Goldstein in 1984. Sensitive schizos, like those affected first by Cthulhu, might've been talking about a thing for years or decades without many heeding them.
Boomers don't realize how political pundits and the like are literally like professional wrestlers, "kayfabe".
Damn it, my statement
Here.
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Most people have a single point of failure in their lives, and that's their job. Healthcare, income, status, is all tied to it. Consider also cancel culture, and how the arbitrariness of any inquisition is by-design so that people will self-censor to conserve their reputation when they don't know where the line is. This results in an epidemic of cowardice.
Boomers often aren't aware of how the boards of directors for a media company might be just the same people as on, for example, a pharma company. (And indeed, nearly all huge companies are too huge due to ineffectual antitrust laws, and merely provide the illusion of choice.) There's also infiltration of media sources e.g. Operation Mockingbird, WEF's young leaders program, etc., or just how talking points are dispensed by think tanks and other organizations, non-governmental, industry, political, and government. These talking points are often appeals to ridicule, authority, "what does it even matter now?", and of course the tearing-down of strawmen. Talking points aim to be concise enough that a half-awake boomer can repeat them verbatim, even after a commercial break. (Unrelated sidenote: ads and content suggestions act just the same as the loud tones played in Harrison Bergeron's dad's ears, to interrupt longer contemplation.)
Truly unethical courses of action that should be assumed as a matter of course due to incentives, executives' fiduciary responsibility to investors and their companies, etc. might be dismissed as "conspiracies", as if it requires a conspiracy for companies to encourage one to use their inferior product over a better competitors', or to encourage consumers to overuse their product, or to market their product to audiences that won't truly heed any value from them, etc..
Boomers aren't aware of how research and "science" is nearly almost at the behest of industry, or how our universities search for who can secure the biggest grants due to "grant overhead". Research institutions and corporations are also subject to externally-imposed factors like political ideologies, or through social control like by selectively limiting access to financial services. (Consider Blackstone/Blackrock's ESG funds that purport themselves to be about environmental sustainability, which I call bullshit on simply because I've never seen that in companies, and also have "racial equity audits" so that even a tv show that takes place in medieval Scotland will have four black characters.)
Platforms also like to play the role of capturing and usurping the public square, then exercising narrative control and manipulation through algorithms, constantly acting in a role that could conceivably be filled by a public utility, but as private entities exercise censorship as they're not beholden to any freedom of speech or first amendment obligations, and as this pandemic has proven, will take whatever talking points from governmental institutions as the whole and final truth, even as these points need to be massaged and changed without corrections, retractions, or any public acknowledgement, like Winston's revision job at the Ministry of Truth in George Orwell's book, 1984.
Also consider how they're encouraging people to not do any of their own research, and the appointment of a truth czar.
I'm trying to see the whole forest and not just the trees of this pandemic response, but it's hard.
Relevant shit:
Fake Growth: Youtube videos:"Frame Problems"' "How Politics Became Pro Wrestling, When Fake Growth Leads to Real Violence"
Corrupted information ecology: Anything with Daniel Schmactenberger, one can start with his videos on Rebel Wisdom, or go directly to his website or wherever.
More Fake Growth: Also, Eric Weinstein's discussion with Peter Thiel in his first episode of his podcast.
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Thanks for coming to my regurgitated TED talk.
>inb4 whole thread gets nuked by jannies
well said
This thread is about to get nuked from orbit lol
Underrated response and very true. My parents only began figuring this out within the last couple years while watching the clusterfricks I've endured.
Its not always their fault, the propaganda and total media control they endured would have done it to most people.
Actually holy shit this. I always knew this, cause they still believe MSM shit and the like, but never heard or thought of it in suck direct unequivocal terms.
Bump for post related only. Boomers are killing our world.
I can't wait until they all keel over in another 10-20.
Thanks bro.
Like motorcycle accidents. When an 18 year old hops on a liter bike and runs it into a wall off the line.
Only if you have no idea it's a liter bike and if you drop it it could run you into a wall.
Still accidental on your part.
Or consider this series of workplace safety advertisements from Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwCyVku1HvI
you misunderstand, using your analogy the bike would have to max throttle or drop the clutch on it's own and send an unsuspecting rider into a wall. What then?
I like desert camo colors, but why does every new gun need to be babyshit brown?
Just pick a dark bronze to milk chocolate brown and when you deploy in desert spray some khaki and yellow
When in the jungle spray whermarcht grey and green
yo thats a factory new sand dune my guy
>total modularity
>standard rail
>full capacity incl stendos
>zero plastic parts
cope and seethe glonkbois
I literally see plastic parts
Other than the mag baseplate there are none.
>isn't drop safe
lol
Why would you drop your gun?
"drop safe" is a slang that means it's a modern, safe, reliable, and reputable firearm. You wouldn't buy something that doesn't fit that bill, would you?
At that point, if you're not getting an actual sig with a hammer I'm just going to asume that you were drop on your head as a baby
>Striker Fired handgun with no inertial saftey
Yeah I’ll pass
my hands are too big that i have to use proximal phalange to fire. the gun is too small but it's a good gun.
Wait what? Post hands Sasquatch
wtf i learned them as "medial" instead of "intermediate"...
Good god, I can remember two of the eight carpels, though definitely the easy ones (I remember they ARE the easy ones to remember).
Also, post hands with scale so we can help
Brand name recognition along with military contracts, and it's cheaper than the legacy metal framed P-series.
>siggers evaporate out of their own thread the second their shit is directly questioned
lol, every time.
Literally the only reason people like sig is because the guns were adopted by the US Army, otherwise there wouldn't be any widespread sig use. Most know nothings about guns just get whatever the military has.
Still waiting on the slide
When you think about it, the sig 320 does almost everything a glock does but better. It's a striker fired "glockified" sig. The only edge glock has on sig is the robust aftermarket of parts, superior slide coating, and cheaper price.
The two most important benefits of the sig over a glock are a superior trigger and the ability to move the FCU to a different grip module. Also worth mentioning are the slightly increased 1911 like height over bore to negate slide bite when shooting under stress, all steel mags, and true ambidextrous function,
Glocks have the worst trigger of any popular high production pistol, even if you polish the parts, replace the disconnector, and replace the plunger on the slide.
If you own a glock, you have a fine weapon, enjoy it.
I applaud sig for convincing boomers to carry that unsafe piece of shit in their serpa holsters. Shit is a better boomer remover than covid
So many die everyday its crazy.
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The problem was resolved by reducing the weight of the trigger. This is not unlike the 70 series 1911 where under some rare conditions it could fire when dropped so a titanium firing pin is installed.
The Voluntary Upgrade Program was not a fix. See
Lawsuit seems to be some ass clown lawyer fishing for a settlement from sig. There are two objects involved in the moron plaintiff shooting himself, the holster and the weapon. Nowhere is mentioned what kind of holster the plaintiff was using. Leather holsters are notorious for shooting morons when the leather sags into the trigger well. Serpa holsters are also a problem, yet the lawyer isn't targeting the holster manufacturer.
The 320 had a problem if it was dropped directly onto the beavertail and slide at the same time. The problem was tested and confirmed and the remedy was also tested and confirmed by omaha outdoors. Sig accepted their suggestion.
You didn't look very hard did you?
>moron plaintiff puts sig p320 into sig p250 holster
>the problem is sig
Was the sig P250 holster advertised to accommodate the sig 320 or did some moron stuff a pistol into a holster it wasn't designed for?
Tell us again about how some dumbass put a P320 into a P250 holster.
>70+ pending lawsuits
>nevermind unreported incidents
please, keep holding up one suspect apple with a pungent, maggot-ridden heap at your feet, dipshit
>hostile shylock financiers that are ruining America give FRN debt enslavement bux to judeo-marxist democrat lawyers to destroy the gun industry with lawfare by seeking infinity settlements on frivolous lawsuits thereby driving up the price of weapons in the process
It's almost like anti-gunners win even when they loose
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bloomberg-to-spend-50m-on-new-gun-control-effort-in-challenge-to-nra
*lose
>buzzword buzzword acronym, hyphenated psuedo-intellectual broad strokes blah blah
Lose is spelled with one "o," loose is a term for your butthole, homosexual. People are being maimed left and right, lives in danger in the name of corporate greed and deceptive, manipulative practices but all you can do is froth at the mouth trying to defend the very manipulation you're a victim to. have a nice day.
assmad anti-gun activist total defeat
JFC my dude, you really are in a race to the fricking bottom
Neat how no link is provided to the product or the packaging that explicitly says to put a p320 into a p250 holster. Is that even the same holster that the plaintiff was using?
Ok dude, I would usually just tell you to use fricking google and not expect people to hand you everything done, but I'm pretty sure you are actually moronic, like you really have special needs, so here you go
https://www.cdnnsports.com/sig-sauer-p250-full-compact-paddle-holster.html
From your own link, second image, neat how the product specifically explicitly states to only use a P250 in the holster you referenced. So, in this case, if a subject purchased a P250 Sig made holster from that retailer, the liability for injuries arising from someone shooting themselves with a P320 in a P250 holster would rest with that retailer because the retailer incorrectly alleged compatibility with a P320 where no compatibility is alleged per the manufacturer.
That's cool my dude, that's why I gave you the link to the official website in the wayback machine, because I knew you would be grasping at straws at this point
At this point, I'm convinced you're just a shill bot, not even siggers can be this deluded
I'm going to one up myself and give it to you straight from the horses mouth, the have remove this from the current lineup, since the p250 is dead, but this is what the dude was most likely using
https://web.archive.org/web/20160408184101/http://store.sigsauer.com/holster-lvl1-250-320-carry-compact.html
Neat how the holster is a moving target for you. First the holster was a full sized holster, which is clearly marked P250, here.
https://www.cdnnsports.com/sig-sauer-p250-full-compact-paddle-holster.html
Now that that didn't fit with your narrative, the holster is now a compact holster.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160408184101/http://store.sigsauer.com/holster-lvl1-250-320-carry-compact.html
Which holster was it? Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Are the interns on duty at sig today?
Yeah, clearly the holster is the real mystery here, big difference whether is for a compact o a full size, they are marked p250 because it's the same profile gun, how is a p320 holster going to be different from a p250? Sig was selling them like that, listed for both models
The complaint doesn't seem to mention the specific sub model of the P320 the subject owned or a photo of the weapon. There are substantial differences between the P320 and the P250. The P250 is a real DAO while the P320 is technically a DAO but not really a DAO and therefore less moron proof. The P250 should have a long mushy trigger pull akin to firing an unwienered revolver while the P320 can have a crisp light trigger pull despite technically being DAO. Some P320s come with a straight trigger bar that isn't a factory option on a P250 AFAIK. These 2 factors alone could cause a problem but this is just my best scientific wild ass guess because too little information is provided by whatever lawyer filed the complaint.
I don't work for sig and would prefer that American companies make weapons for our American military. I'm just a guy.
I had a P226 that got stolen several years ago. It was a good gun and I liked it but it was sort of unremarkable and I didn't care for the first round trigger pull feeling one way and subsequent rounds feeling different. For what it's worth I preferred the 92FS, which was a similar offering. If I had to buy a striker fired gun right now, it would be a toss up between an OZ9, HK VP9, or a P320, with an edge to the P320 only because of the presumed robust aftermarket that should manifest and the trigger being better than a glock.
I think the P320 had a legit problem when dropped on the slide and beavertail that was corrected by replacing the trigger. That design defect was negligent and should have been discovered prior to shipping. This real problem opened the door to morons blaming every issue they had involving the P320 on this nebulous narrative of P320s aren't safe. I'm starting to realize that the mushy shitty stock glock trigger is that way to inhibit liability and for moron protection.
P.S. Most lawyers are hyperbolic leeches, don't trust them.
What a moron fricking hill to die on
I usually ignore k-fudds but basically you are taking the word of some lawyer trying to skim a buck as though whatever he says is 100% fact and also related to whatever problem his client has. The dropping problem was real. Putting your gun in a holster it wasn't designed for could be a problem. The customer could have had his finger in the well when he holstered it and shot himself and was too embarrassed to admit it. Really no one knows what happened because we don't have enough information and we weren't there. There is good evidence that the dropping issue was 100% legit but I think most people that AD are doing something they shouldn't and don't want to admit they messed up.
Cool, since all of the Sig holsters for the P250 are intended to be used for the P320, you should be able to find a photo and post it here of P320 stamped on those holsters.
The entire alleged problem might be assclowns re-using holsters intended for DAO pistols instead of buying holsters specifically for their P32- DAO light pistol. Sig should track how many ADs occurred in holsters that retain on weapon lights, which would rule out the problem being the function of the pistol itself.
>you're just a shill bot
pic related
There's literally a foto of a p320 stuck on the holster marked p250 right here
you are grasping at fricking straws man, the 250 and the 320 are the same gun, they change is the fire control, please explain to me what's the difference between a holster for a DAO and a striker gun because according to you the dao holster just pulls the trigger at will, and even if we asume that the lawyer is lying, it's not like this is the only lawsuit against sig for the same reason.
You are delusional, at least I hope that you are on sigs payroll, because if you are shilling for them this hard for free, that's just sad
I want to congratulate all of you on the mental gymnastics, but that's the holster that came with the gun, sig sold p320s with p250 holsters
Why didn't the P320 didn't spontaneously drop the striker during the video you posted? Why was the guy in the video you posted able to use the P250 holster and P320 pistol combination to qualify for his CCW without shooting himself in the thigh, seeing as how the P320 is a known death trap ready to go off the second someone puts it in a holster according to you?
Why was the original guy who shot himself in the thigh able to qualify for his CCW without an issue using the same pistol and holster combination, only to later shoot himself in the thigh when he was alone in his house with no witnesses around?
Now that's what I call mental gymnastics.
If sig is selling a holster for a P250 in a P320 box, that could be a problem because the P250 holster wasn't originally designed and tested for a P320. The pistols do not have the same action inside of them, one action is more sensitive than the other. The P320 can have a different official sig factory trigger on it that never existed on the P250 pistol too, which matters if your holster is retaining from the trigger well. I wouldn't buy a holster that wasn't explicitly designed for whatever pistol I was buying unless the holster explicitly retains on a weapon light only.
>Why didn't the P320 didn't spontaneously
*Why didn't the P320 spontaneously
>I found an example of this gun not dropping the striker spontaneously, so no example of this gun will ever drop the striker spontaneously under any circumstances
You're in denial
The guy who shot himself used a holster (probably that same holster) and his P320 to get his CCW. Why didn't he shoot himself in the thigh or AD while getting his CCW since the weapon was such a death trap? Why did this alleged spontaneous shooting only occur when he was alone in his home and not when he was running through the CCW drills while the pistol was really being used?
Here's a video of a guy hitting a sig with a hammer in the specific spot you have to hit it in to make it fire prior to the trigger mass being reduced. It takes a lot of effort to get the sig to misfire. This isn't a mouse trap waiting to go off at any second.
The drop firing was a real problem that appears to have been corrected. That doesn't mean that now there is shade on the pistol everything some ambulance chaser says about it is real.
Sig is trying to create a monopoly within the firearms space by branching out into areas they shouldn't. Sig should not be in the holster business because it invites liability. Holsters are a high margin product, which is why Sig is in that space. Sig has accepted the risk of selling both the pistol and the holster, which invites someone who has negligently shot themselves to claim the marriage of two products together mutually sold by sig is the source of the problem. Simultaneously, sig is entering into the custom pistol design space. There is no possible way that a holster originally designed for a P250 was tested with all of the possible configuration options of the P320, including a straight trigger bar and lightened trigger pull that never existed as a factory option on a P250.
are you getting paid to shill sig or are you doing it for free?
I don't even give a shit about sig, I had a sig and I didn't prefer shooting it over other pistols. I generally don't like what sig's attempt to monopolize the gun world. I would have preferred to see s&w get the army contract because they are an American company. You guys, if there are two of you, are just actual morons, sorry.
In that complaint that was filed with the holster guy there is an alleged AD from a cop where the AD is said to be on video. If you can get that video, which should be public record, you should post it here, especially if the cop's hands are visible during the AD and he's not finger fricking his gun in his patrol car. A real video of a real AD with no one touching the gun would be quite convincing to everyone except perhaps the army.
>I generally don't like what sig's attempt to monopolize the gun world.
I generally don't like sig's attempt to monopolize the gun world.
At this point I'm pretty sure you could have a P320 go off into your leg and still make excuses as to why it's actually your fault
At this point I'm pretty sure anything any moron who shot himself or ambulance chaser said about the sig P320, you'd implicitly believe, even when what they are saying doesn't make sense to a neutral observer. Is there an incident of a P320 ADing during a class with a neutral observer present or a video of an AD where you can see that the subject doesn't have their finger in the trigger well?
This is what ADs look like, dumbass people doing dumb shit. If this wasn't on video he would have said the gun fired when it hit the floor.
morons and autists, yes, welcome
gb2 Sig headquarters you homosexual
So Sig is guilty of reckless endangerment for selling guns with holsters they are not fit for?
Kek, How will siggers ever recover?
That said i have an Xcarry bought on a whim for the modularity meme and it coming optic ready, the more i read this thread the more i think i should sell it asap and take the loss
Bad connection, thread didn't update and thought post was lost.
Yes, that makes me a subhuman moron i guess
Kek, how will sigger shills ever recover.
That said i fell for the modularity meme and optics cut of a p320 xfull.... With an extra compact slide and a bunch of mags. I honestly prefer my old beaten to hell m&p that I take to class. Do newer production guns still have drop issues? I seriously want to give it a chance since i like the concept of a modular pistol i can easily convert
>P320 is a P250 made striker fire
>suddenly holsters are incompatible
No but when I worked at an LGS I SOLD a lot of holsters to dumb frick siggers and all 320 holsters we had until maybe last year or so were marked 250/320
>Upon returning home, he proceeded to remove the holster from his waistband with the firearm still concealed in the SIG-manufactured holster.
It's on the first page. You people are unreal.
yah it did
what you posted said Sig continued to think the original design was ok.
the updated versions were specifically tested with the 33 degree hammer hit
>Better boomer remover than covid
So not very good at it at all? Seriously wtf I didn't know anyone was still into the covid shit. It's over. It was a shitty little flu that was used as a political tool. We got tricked, we looked stupid, we are stupid, it's over. It's done. We were all very silly for believing it, but it's over now. Time to be an adult.
Because:
1. Special forces using the P226.
2. Adoption of the M17 and M18.
3. It isn't a Glock.
Sf use the g19
SF wanted Glocks so bad, that when they were told the already had a 9mm service handgun and they had to stick with the P226 and M9s they came up with a contract for a low visibility concealed handgun, and got the 19s even when they wanted the 17s
John Wick
Everyone said, to pick a plastic striker gun, go to a range that rents guns, and pick the the gun that feels the best to you. Because every flagship plastic striker gun is basically the frickin same. Glocks notoriously don't feel good to shoot out of the box so I chose a p320c ayy. I like my sig.
Then fourchins decided they like glocks over sigs, even though ten years ago every thread had the phrase "glock leg" or "glocknade".
Glocks are the past
Sigs are the future
Same reason I like Filipina chicks. Was my first.
>NuSig
ITT: GlockBlack folk realizing they can be actual contrarians now instead of inventing a boomer boogeyman to feel like the underog.
The handgun thread is reaching page 10 and i'm asking about a Sig gun so i'll ask here.
Does anyone have experience converting a 40SW p226 to a 9mm?
Sig sells kit to change caliber, they include a new slide, barrel, spring and mag, so save for the frame you are buying a new gun
I've seen 2 or 3 youtube vids of people just swapping the barrel and recoil spring in a .40SW but I'd like to get some more accounts.
https://barsto.com/product/9mm-conversion-p-226/
well because your glock has absolute dog shit where a trigger should be
>B-b-ut gl-ock is worse!!!11!1
Ok homosexual
Glock has the best reset in the market, you are regurgitating e-celeb/sig rep talking points
what? what model
my g43 edc has a completely different feel from my g19
both don't compare to the P320
I don't know about the slim Glock models only the full size ones, I also know that the p320 I tried, which had the non drop safe trigger, had a false reset that would click no matter if the slide cycled or not, which really sucks because it wasn't more tactile than the Glock and would confused the hell out of you when there was a malfunction or the slide locked back
The amount of Sigger cope in this thread truly is delicious.
Boomers shoot what they want.
Garbage manchildren shoot what they can afford, which of course means they have to settle.
so what is the best striker fire then?
that didnt have any issues they got fixed
you're looking for striker-fired that DID get fixed, not ones who's flaws get swept under the goddamn rug. M&P, 509, G45, P-10C, even a fricking CP9 are better than sig.
*TP9 whoops.
The problem was fixed,
Best is a relative term, of the ones I have rotated through the years I can tell you this:
Looking for something interesting that stands out?
>Archon strik B
It had some issues at release but the have been iron out, supper flat shooting, comes with great sights and had the same cut than a Glock, so you're never running out of options, plus it has an interesting barrel lockup action and is fairly simple to disassembly
Looking for a duty gun that you can just run without a care in the world
>Glock
Unironically Glock it's the king of the hill for a reason, you have a ton of aftermarket, but short of changing the sights, I would leave the gun alone, if you want something interesting either track down a RTF2 frame and clone the CAG G22 or get a gen 4 19 MOS and clone the mk27 mod 2
Looking for "not a Glock"?
>HK VP9
I have tried the m&p, CZ P10c, p320, Springfield XD, Beretta nano, fnh fns and the Walther p99 and of all of them, if I had to keep one it would be the vp9, best looks, best ergonomics and nice trigger
good intel.
I looked pretty hard at the VP9, however I liked the feel of the 320 slightly more. but VP9 felt good. both good triggers.
Iiked the Carry configuration of the P320 opposed to going subcompact size.
Modularity of the p320 (ie Flux Chassis) was factored in but not as #1
>need good Surefire WL
>need decent closed emitter dot I know
hk vp9, zev oz 9, sig 320. m&p, all good weapons
didn't the P-10C also have a ton of issues when it was released??
Didn't Kennedy test that with his team and found it shit??
They had some issue that involved getting the slide stuck in a position where it was out of battery and could not be disassembled, I don't know if it got fixed because everytime someone brings that up a legion of redditors claims that it's all user error and not a problem at all, even though it only happens with the p10c
This company is so fricking shady.
((Hollywood accounting))
Childhood is thinking military contracts is a sign of quality. Adulthood is realizing other than things legally forbidden, the civilian market has much higher quality and innovation tends to seep into the military rather than the other way around
>buying chinesium potmetal
Of course boomers do. Even red ryders are made in china now.
Show me where Sig sources their metal and then we can talk (hint: it's not from an American steel producer)
Well, it's not china, but it's not much better
Singh Sauer
>Sikh Sauer
Thank both political parties who don't give a shit about Americans or America for exporting all of our manufacturing to our enemies.
Avoid sig stuff beyond range toys it's unreliable and if you're carrying it it would suck to have to need it and it fails
t. put case of 9 through several pistols looking for my carry and settled on m&p 9 shield (the little 8 round one) and vp9sk
There's no reason to carry anything other than a sig p365 right now
>Small
>High capacity
>Quality
It's just the optimal carry gun, until more high capacity ultra compacts come out
hands are too big for that.
gotta roll with the g43 as my carry
Same reason the ar15 was so popular.
>glock doesn't know how to read and didn't submit a pistol design that met contract specifications and was dropped immediately
>SIG offers untested indian made POS
>Beretta offers to replace existing M9's at a discount and future orders at the same price as M9's
shit was rigged, just like the new M5
>M5
They should have refined the m4 into a piston like the 416 and switched to mk262. This entire program is idiotic.
Dont look at me, I bought a full sized and painted it in a ersatz Splinter A camo
My slide came in today, However not the recoil spring. Looking for a good OWB holster I fancy the Trex ironside. Tho I've had good luck with alien gear for the cz.
Is it still an accidental discharge if the manufacturer knew they were pumping out defective lemons like a nympho downsy prostitute?
Someone needs to make a pastebid whit all the shit reported on the P320, at this point recommending that gun should count as reckless endangerment
Can you give me some sauce with that?
Here you go fren
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2017/army/2017mhs.pdf?ver=2019-08-19-113850-680
Not even 200 rounds without stoppage J A M O M A T I C
thats a good idea
https://pastebin.com/fkVYgjRa
This is only the shit that's on this thread, if someone has a link to the story of the gym dude that had his discharge while going downstairs please share
I love my p226 so I picked up the 320 when it came out. Wasn't until later that they released FDE and got all the contracts. It's not horrible, but far from being amazing. Still love the P226- apples to oranges comparison though. I typically carry ruger lcp or glock 19 4th gen.
Why is k just contrarianism now?
>control-F Glock
>59 results
oh boy, this is gonna be a juicy thread, I can tell
Is this the thread where all the morons go?
Welcome, brother.
I am stupid but I'm not on the level of moronic like most people here.
And yet you have been funneled here. You're just too moronic (like a non-aware NPC) to notice.
“But I don’t want to go among morons," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all morons here. I’m moronic. You’re moronic."
"How do you know I’m moronic?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.
yes this is the p320 thread
Really wanna get one since I loved the rental I had shot a month ago
I'm pretty sure they shoot well, lots of people like the way they feel, the issue however is their quality and longevity. I only own plastic polymer pistols for self defense, so if I don't trust them I don't get them.
who is Lüke & Ortmeier Holding Gruppe, aka L&O Holding?
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-sig-sauer-accused-of-illegally-sending-weapons-to-colombia/a-43360307
>The case relates to over 36,000 pistols, manufactured by the company in the Baltic coast town of Eckernförde, that ended up in the hands of Colombian police via a subsidiary in the United States
>The weapons were supposedly destined for the American market. But more than half of them allegedly ended up in the hands of Colombian police as part of an initiative by the administration of former President Barack Obama to support the country's fight against drug-related crime.
wow boring
sounds like a good deed