PrepHole ?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/oct/21/cracked-tiles-wonky-gutters-leaning-walls-why-are-britains-new-houses-so-rubbish
Why are Bonghouses trash now
PrepHole ?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/oct/21/cracked-tiles-wonky-gutters-leaning-walls-why-are-britains-new-houses-so-rubbish
They’re learning to build from Americans apparently.
We’ve also learned recently people will continue to buy houses nonstop, regardless of quality or cost, so why even put in effort to make them not shitty?
>turn money into increasingly worthless paper
>import untold millions of street shitters and dune coons driving up demand for hard assets
>people use circumvent increasingly worthless paper by switching to hard assets
>thread about literally anything
>AMERICANS
I would rather live in a US style stick framed house than britshit brick jokes.
>ring mains
>no bathroom waterproofing
>drywall glued on walls rather than plastering the wall
>cavity wall autism instead of external wall insulation
>reinforced concrete???
Frick that. Western Europeans can't build. Balkan construction is the greatest in the world!
The high demand means they can put the bare minimum of effort in with absolutely cowboys running each site doing everything as cheaply and with as little workmanship as possible.
Surely this is no secret to anyone though, it's created it's own industry with people being paid to be snag list checkers. Part of the issue is the cost of backing out of a house purchase too. With solicitor fees and the waiting time for houses to be done, it's sometimes not even possible to even back out of a house purchase, either due to sunk costs/time or both.
And I guess that's even assuming they notice the issues, which probably a fraction of people do. It's not like a restaurant either, where if you have a bad meal, you'll just not going again - it's not really an industry that depends on repeat business.
High demand also means that you can afford to put out quality work at a premium price. Out of a hundred buyers, at least one is willing to pay more for better work. Unless you are building to spec, when it's time to sell the house, make sure to point out all the potential areas that the buyer should be on the lookout for. Things like walls and door frames out of plumb, cracks in masonry, bad caulking, and soon enough, your competitors will bring you your best-paying customers when they will realize how shoddy the other guy's work is. Make sure to mention the cost of repairs, plus the inconveniences of having a job site inside your house. Dust, debris, workers coming in and out, using your bathroom, trash dumpsters...
It's not a problem exclusive to the UK, it's happening everywhere in Europe. Late stage capitalism basically.
Simply, people want to live in large cities, land is really expensive there and only large real estate developers can afford it, these are 100% money oriented corporations ran by psychos who are going to cut costs on every single thing possible and don't really care about the quality or the consumer. There are only a couple of large corpos like this in each country and most likely they're plotting together and even buying off politicians. And they can get away with basically anything because the supply for cheap housing is super high.
There is an undersupply of construction contractors so usually they're fully booked and have tight deadlines, so they need to do things as quickly as possible so they are going to be cutting corners in every place they can, and the real estate companies usually allow it because they don't give a shit.
>High demand also means that you can afford to put out quality work at a premium price. Out of a hundred buyers, at least one is willing to pay more for better work.
That sounds good but it doesn't work in reality, because as you said, the market for this stuff is very small. Also, your average consumer can't really tell the difference between a well built house and a bad one. The flaws don't come out instantly, they usually take at least a few years.
Also you don't realize how fricked up the housing market in Europe really is. The problem is that when a company starts building an apartment complex, all the flats are literally already sold before the whole construction starts, that's how huge the demand is.
At least we have a decent supply of houses from eras where we could build shit. Until they get demolished for not being 'green' enough of course.
But then where will the immigrants live
Severe undersupply of housing. Doesn't matter how poorly the house is constructed, it will still sell.
>undersupply
>plenty of vacant houses in cities for future doctors to squat in.
Idk anon, I think it's Israeli/Chinese sabotage.
checkd
replaced all their builders with poles and romanians
"[...]towards the end of the Brexit transition period, the UK construction sector lost more than a quarter of its EU-born workforce. The following year, the number of construction vacancies increased by more than 200%, while job applications dropped by more than half."
and where are the domestic builders that should have been trained but were forced out having to compete with the immigrants?
probably waiting to be paid what they're worth
>what they're worth
They're worth what they accept
Working in call centres for more money because working outside on a building site is shit, and they get paid shit, and no c**t wants to pay what their labour is actually worth.
>theguardian
Ah seems like a reputable source . . . .Not!
I see a lot of new builds as part of my job, I'm in flooring and I do notice sloppyness.
Plasterers not clearing up after themselves and leaving blobs of crud on the floor, for our guys to sort before fitting floors.
The 3D construction in picrel is a bit of a laugh but new houses are being built at an alarming rate and customers seem to think they will get a £600,000 house for £150,000, that's part of the problem.
U got a building critic loicense?
who cares?
The """"people""""" buying them will continue to buy them while the majority of the population is priced out of them anyway.
older houses are cheaper, better built and have more character.
That doesn't sound like such a bad life.
I mean, he has a wife. I'm all alone. He's already better off than me.
It’s a modern Fitter Happier. Equally as depressing
I love when people claim something is better built because it's older
Lol
Lmao, even
It depends what you mean by "better." If by "better" you mean longer lasting then the older it is the more likely it is to have been built better as it's simply survived longer whereas all the schlock built around the same time has collapsed or been torn down. My house is an oak timberframe from 1865. It had frick-all insulation and it's still leaky like a sieve but barring the government removing it to build another migrant hotel it's going to keep standing for another 150 years easily. In contrast, my parents recently tore down their house that was built in 1979 and had been rotting away for over a decade despite decent maintenance. We absolutely CAN build much better ans longer lasting houses now; we just don't care to for the masses.
the number of faults in new builds is crazy.
maybe this has always been the case, but even if so the faults have been remedied by now on older properties.
they're also completely soulless.
Finally, in my neck of the woods nearly all the housing stock is 80+ years old, so you'd have to actively seek these out and they're typically 3 times the price.
Land is expensive, planning legislation is a fricking joke, the three big house building companies have politicians in their pockets.
The UK has some of the worst houses in Europe. Including Ireland. Even Greece has better houses and they can't flush paper down their toilets.
>Even Greece has better houses and they can't flush paper down their toilets.
Wait, what? So Greece is the Mexico of Europe?
>Instead of using an actual example they use shitty CGI/AI
Way to not get your point across.
they're all built by immigrants now instead of white masters of trade.
Competency Crisis strikes again.
I'm a polack and my friend went to the UK for a couple of months and worked in construction and renovations and he said that he has never seen so many fricked up jobs that he had to fix, and it's usually the bongs who don't know how to do stuff. Brits don't know how to build houses.
*anymore
Look at some older architecture (before we got Tyskied).
In all honesty, Polish builders are much better than the fricking shit White Van Men c**ts we get here.
yeah honestly i don't get the hate towards poles. most of them seem very hard-working as far as immigrants go
I don't hate the immigrants themselves, but the reason the government claims they will sort out immigration then let us have record levels of it after we "took control of our borders" is purely to piss off the working class and devalue labour
It also helps them win votes from working class people as they can claim immigrants are bad and they'll fix it knowing that Labour (the political party) very rarely talk shit about immigrants. As for some reason acknowledging that uncontrolled immigration is being used to suppress wages makes you racist
fair point
god i hate politics
I imagine they're being built by shitskins now who never do a quality job of anything in their entire lives just like with the hispanics in America.
Because they were built by African refugees under Indian supervision.
>implying that africans work
There's a lot of factors in play:
>Land is fricking expensive. Getting Planning permission takes an age and is also expensive.
>There is not enough housing being built
The two mean that if you buy shit houses, people will buy them and you will make a profit. You built the houses so terribly that to fix them would eat all your profit? Good think it was built by a PLC and all the money is being slowly funneled to the parent company. String the homebuyers long enough for all the money to be funnelled out, then go into administration. Homebuyers are stuck with shit houses full of issues that they now have to fix themselves.
Things that make it worse:
>self certify if you use materials that are to spec
For example, you're legally required to put in a certain level of sound insulation. You've proven that you've bought and used material that provides that level, no need for it to be inspected, you can self certify! Of course it was fitted terribly with gaps in the insulation that let the sound through and they've only used a single material for the solid walls with no airgaps so vibrations travel through unimpeded.
>culture of building to a minimum spec.
You've got a garage with this house, it meets the legally required minimum specs to call it a garage! As you have to pay before the house is built, you may not realise that the width they gave for the garage isn't just for the door, it's the width of the interior too! You'll fit the car in but won't be able to open the doors as you 5cm between the side of your car and the wall.
Every house has space for parking! It's 1 allocated space around the corner from your house. You want more than 1 car space for your 3 bedroomed house? You get to part on the kerb, fighting with your neighbours for that space and making the narrow roads a nightmare to navigate.
Houses were built for the purposes of making a home. Now they're made for the purposes of selling mortgages to immigrants.
The perfect storm of.
Shitty training for tradespeople. Half of them are gov program job handouts/low skilled laborers or Poles & Lithuanians and sub-Saharan Africans who don't speak English and don't give a frick.
Over demand for housing with small housing companies being perpetually squeezed and the big builders not actually building shit leading to a shortage.
General lack of care, as others have stated it will sell even if it's fricked up so why be bothered about a quality build?
Houses have always been shit
If you bought a brand new house in the 1980's it was literally a concrete slab with a cavity wall and a roof. Maybe you got some carpets.
Now a new house is expected to have silly amounts of insulation, highly complex construction, it must be air tight according to building regs and all the walls need to be an extremely high tolerance to fit the doors and windows.
All this means the skill floor for building a house is 3 times higher than it was back in the 80's so fewer people can do it and it takes longer.
If you want to live in a shed you can have one built in 18 hours but everyone wants their "kitchen islands" and "venetian tiles" and "shag pile carpets"