Whod win beetween very few but highly technological soldiers trained from births, conscripts that follow modern warfare like tactics, Whatever caesar is doing or murder bots?
Whod win beetween very few but highly technological soldiers trained from births, conscripts that follow modern warfare like tactics, Whatever caesar ...
The Brotherhood of Steel would have beaten the NCR if it wasn't for Father Elijah being moronic hands down.
Even when attacking an indefensible position, the NCR's offense degenerated into little more than throwing bodies at the BoS to wear them down.
The NCR has not accomplished any victories against the powers that mattered (BoS, Enclave) without either the PC (Chosen One) doing most of the work or their enemies having written-in moronation cripple them.
To add, the BoS in NV contradicts the canon ending for them in FO1 where they become a major research and development house led by Rhombus while staying out of political affairs.
The writers then decided the BoS was problematic and had to write in them turning full moron because reasons.
BoS was already shadow of it's former selves by Fallout 2.
Oh man, if only there was an in-between game. Nope, NV came directly after Fallout 1.
2, the game with a whopping three Brotherhood members shown in the whole game, only one of whom even has a name?
The Brotherhood simply isn't prominent in the region 2 takes place in. They don't have a large presence, end of story. They're humbled by no longer being the guys with the best armour and biggest guns but they haven't actually been decimated or anything.
its really just the brotherhood trying to combat the enclave without joining the power struggle
they take a very hands-off approach against the enclave because they dont know what they are capable of, they dont know what they want, and they dont want to become mired in politics
so they sit and observe and act via proxies, like the chosen one, to even the edge against the enclave
they arent suicidal bunker babies like depicted in FNV
they are playing the long game and extremely willing to work with 3rd parties to gather the edge they need to defeat an enemy even more secretive and even more technologically advanced than they are
Ok but what about murder bots vs Bos?
BoS, they're experts with murder bots as is and would be able to easily counter them.
A waster was able to introduce the Yes Man programming, the BoS can do far more
I m talking about battle not logistics,
The mk2 murder bots vs paladins and knights
mk2 murder bots due to sheer numbers
If you let the bots be MK2 then it's a fricking stomp
There's a fricking legion of them in that bunker and they'll have access to heavy weaponry to crack the power armor
Vs. the MK1's it would be absolutely brutal for both sides, plus House would bring in the Three Families and every fricker from Colorado to New California willing to fight the BoS for caps.
Helios One was a giant siege which the Brotherhood eventually had to fight their way out of, proving they could have done so at any time. NCR didn't 'throw bodies at them'; they prolonged the engagement until the Brotherhood ran of ammo and had to retreat. It's a good tactic considering their capabilities
Navarro was still a fully-functioning military base when NCR overran it. Sure the actual Enclave government had just died on the Oil Rig but that shouldn't harm Navarro's defences much besides meaning no reinforcements (which is, whatever) and the hit to morale of your actual government suffering the mother of all decapitation strikes (perhaps a few C&C issues but shouldn't be that bad, the base itself must have a clear hierarchy)
had black isle studios been allowed to finish van buren, then the NCR still would have won but the BoS inflict so much damage that the republic collapses anyways
so the situation when the prisoner arrives, hoover dam is the only NCR town left in the region
and they havent heart from the homelands since the war ended, implying that things back home are so messed up they cant even lay communications
the only other NCR town is long abandoned
the BoS you meet confirm that the NCR was winning the war by sheer attrition and that things arent going so well, but the NCR pulling out of the region means that the BoS have a local advantage and if the prisoner doesnt do anything to ease tensions, the BoS successfully capture hoover dam in the ending
though their plans to arrange a ceasefire with hoover dam was sabotaged by stealthboy abusing extremists
FNV adapted the BoS-NCR war, but with the legion in place of the BoS
and the legion are the ones threatening the dam instead of the BoS
Neither legion larper swords nor NCR small arms would be able to penetrate the brotherhoods power armor.
The legion and the ncr do have Snipers and bomb(ncr also the E bomb}
Legion centurions carry anti-material rifles, which will rip an armored joint off
>dies of an infection before arriving at the battle
Caesarbros....
>laughs in healing powder
Also Thermic Lances, Power Fists and whatnot.
Generic legionnaires are there just to keep the Paladins busy while Legion elites set up to go in for the kill.
Both the Legion and the NCR have access to heavier weaponry.
It took me a while to play with House but damn if he didn't turn out to be my favourite option by far. Frankly you have the courier doing some of the more humanitarian stuff that House misses or doesn't have time for and I had all the Big MT scientists working with me and the Enclave Remnants. People forget he no longer really has the standard human desires and he's been alive for longer than any non ghoul, truly an elightened man. Plus he was laughably rich but not part of the Enclave and managed to save most of Vegas. He's just a really cool guy. I never felt great about killing him, but I never realised how much of a frickup it really was. He's probably the only guy who really could save the Wasteland-at least the Vegas part
It's all well and good but it's the iron grip of one man at the end of the day. He doesn't have a successor and he plans to live forever despite living in a coffin behind two locked doors. Benny was already on the verge of taking over Vegas.
That was all before the Platinum Chip
If he's such a genius why didn't he just negotiate with the Enclave for the chip when it was still at Navarro? He's able to remotely control a whole robot army, so he's got to have a shortwave radio somewhere in his goon cave. Instead he sends 6 random mailmen to trek across the wasteland for it, and 4 of them die. The last two end up accidentally nuking a perfectly preserved town in the process of delivering it.
He's greedy and stupid and it comes through in the plot. You should read the obituary he wrote for himself that you get after you kill him or unplug him.
How do you know he didn't negotiate with the Enclave? How would the chip get to him assuming the Enclave accepted his payment?
someone can bring it in one of the thousands of still-functional helicopters in universe. even the NCR has them
>have the Enclave hand-deliver the chip to the Lucky 38
Because that will keep NCR happy and quiet. Remember that good relations with NCR is the foundation of House's economic strategy
The chip is meant to unseal and upgrade a robot army with the express purpose of fighting off the NCR *and* Legion. House is arguably the last chance the Enclave would have, and they even have a base right there in the Mojave.
House has no reason to openly align himself with the Enclave when he can achieve the same results without their genocidal irredentist bullshit. He probably knew and hated most of the OG Enclave and celebrated when the rig blew up in their faces
Really it defeats the premise of the whole game, but the Enclave probably would be in control if they didn't go full moron and try and conduct an experiment during a nuclear war and just built the vaults as vaults. And didn't try and kill everyone who was mutated/irradiated
the hand-wave given to that issue in the Fallout Bibles is that the Vaults weren't meant to save humanity, they were meant to provide the research data to build a generational starship and abandon Earth.
pretty hack but that's what they said
Yeah that's what I meant, it's pretty dumb to conduct an experiment like that during armageddon and just assume you could leave Earth easily. If I'm not mistaken they lose contact with the central Vault Tec systems monitoring the vaults pretty quickly making all the data gathered completely useless.
I suppose the in game explanation is the Enclave had gone completely and totally insane before the War.
>the Enclave was completely insane before the war
Yeah that's why the war happened. There was no reason to fight China over oil when the US had cracked the secret to atomic batteries. The invasion of Alaska could have been prevented by diplomacy, meaning the US Power Armor assault on Beijing never happens, which means the nukes never fly.
I think if you took a random cross-section of Congressmen and DoD ghouls and had them draft up a 3000+ warhead nuclear war survival plan today it would be full of insane plans and clauses. Maybe not leaving Earth crazy, but you can bet they would be fricking with the survivors and micromanaging their lives in the name of science/politics/you name it.
I was reading something about tech billionaires/elites who were all into prepper stuff building vaults etc And they were trying to deal with the problem of how to keep their guards in line after whatever catastrophe happened and paying them no longer mattered. I mean some psychotic grizzled ex Navy Seal isn't going to take orders from Mark Zuckerberg after SHTF-at best he'll be their b***h. They thought they could maybe:
>. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time.”
https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/09/19/how-the-tech-elite-plan-to-escape-an-apocalypse-of-their-own-making/
Reading along similar lines, the proposals that are seen to realistically work is incorporating the security into like a family style thing where everyone contributes so everyone has value. But of course that doesn't work for the billionaires that want to sit on their ass and order people around post collapse.
I think that fits with the US governments mentality: even the plebs' refuges are nothing more than an attempt at exploitation to serve 'the good of the people.' Ironically, the most stringent anti-Communists in the setting are die-hard collectivists
The Enclave started a nuclear war with China because they found nuclear annihilation preferable to losing their near-total control over Western society. These people can't succeed at anything due to their grossly-skewed values
Not quite. House wants to avoid a war with NCR by creating a force dangerous enough that they will conclude it's not a fight worth having since House has no territorial ambitions outside of Vegas and the Dam. His problem at the start of the game is that with a handful of shitty weak securitrons the NCR will decide not long after beating the Legion that a few more corpses to take full ownership of Vegas and the Dam is a good deal now that there's no third party to punish a waste of force like that.
Ideally House would never have a securitron fire a single shot at an NCR trooper. As he says, they're his best customers.
>The chip is meant to unseal and upgrade a robot army with the express purpose of fighting off the NCR *and* Legion
The bunker was built before either of those factions existed and it meant to serve as a small military force to defend a relatively unscathed Strip which House would begin rebuilding almost immediately after the bombs dropped. His plan didn't work out, so everything after is just ad libbing. House doesn't intend on fighting the NCR directly, nor does he intend on fighting the Legion, which he hopes will disperse after an NCR victory.
One of the weirdest things about NV's backstory is that House apparently just set things up in Vegas itself very quickly after NCR scouts arrived in the region, having done frick all post-war to actually develop Vegas and turn it into a place people would visit and talk about before then.
You would think he would want to secure his position as soon as he was able rather than waiting long enough for a major power to build up and start snooping around
House created New Vegas as a response to his encounter with NCR; he understood who and what they were and maneuvered to make Vegas the perfect bait. If NCR were more like the Legion, he would have made Vegas into something differen
>House created New Vegas as a response to his encounter with NCR
he faced a very real risk that they would just swoop in and take control before he got his bearings.
In an RTS do you wait and see what your opponent is doing before you build your base at all? No, you build first and adapt later.
He was basically in a coma prior to the NCR showing up.
>Build casinos and nice things for the locals who are drugged up cannibal bandits before and after he bothers putting in effort
He wasn't doing shit until society could stop killing each other long enough to even appreciate the concept of money and nice things again. It's also implied he was in increasingly worse health and was probably more concerned with building his survival pod and trying to get as many securitrons online and armed for the inevitable fights he would need to fight to even get the local tribes running his casinos.
>He wasn't doing shit until society could stop killing each other long enough to even appreciate the concept of money and nice things again
Which we can clearly see in Fallout 1 which is more than a century before NV. Bottlecaps began to be used as a common currency within two or three decades of the bombs dropping. It's ridiculous for House to have just sat around waiting for as long as he did.
>which we can clearly see in Fallout 1
...in California. Vegas is on the other side of the mountains and across a desert, meaning whatever is going on in the Great Valley has nothing to do with what's going on around Vegas
I haven't played in ages but I was under the impression he was essentially in a coma for like a hundred+ years because his cryopod fricked up, woke up to shithead tribals in a trash heap Vegas, and had barely any time to cobble them all together into something that at least looks like a civilization before the NCR arrived and had to hope the metaphorical duct tape holding it all together wouldn't fall apart before the cash flow started and he could begin proper rebuilding.
IIRC he's been awake since before the events of FO1.
I remember exactly since its some of my favourite House lore
>The Platinum chip (which would have upgraded his missile defenses) was forged in Sunnyvale, California on 22nd October 2077 and was in transit the next day
>on the 23rd October 77 chinese warheads targeted Vegas
>House's ABM systems destroyed 68 warheads but the rest got through
>the damage to house's mainframe forced him to take his reactors offline and enter a coma for "several decades" before slowly rebuilding his shit until the 2270s when he took over the strip again and refounded the casinos.
its just the Northern Irish Troubles with less tikka masala.
I like the idea of House cleaning out the Strip one alley at a time with just three Securitrons.
at least according to benny, a securiton rolled up one day into the strip whereupon the tribes promptly junked it
then the next day dozens of securitons showed up and the tribes wisely decided to do whatever the magic man on the screen told them to do
>several decades
let's give house a lot of leeway and say 90 years, which is pretty much the maximum time out of the game before it would be weird to describe it as "several decades"
so he's up and running again in the 2160s, not far from the time of Fallout 1, where we can see enterprise and trade are very much alive and kicking
yet he still does absolutely frick all for more of a century until the NCR arrive in the Mojave in the 2070s
this is what doesn't make sense. It doesn't take a century to clear the rubble and sweep the streets, especially with a small army of securitrons doing all the real work.
House appears to have just sat around doing nothing for a literal century in the lore as written. It counts as a plothole to me because that is completely against his general tendencies
I imagine it took him a long time to get the ball rolling. Consider the logistical situation he's working with:
He has to restore the cities infrastucture. This will require resources and labor; most of the resources will require several levels of value-added manufacturing. This isn't a problem, assuming House invested in the machinery necessary to manufacture these parts. However, he still needs raw inputs and more parts to maintain the machines. The labor can be achieved with his robots, but they require parts for maintenance as well as energy to function. House would have had to salvage his stockpiles and then sweat blood to get the support network or his workforce established. From that point he can start investing his surplus into renovating Vegas, while also dealing with the myriad political and economic difficulties of living in a post-apocolyptic wasteland filled with Mad Max cosplayers. I can easily see this process taking 100+ years to accomplish, especially if House is trying to stay under everyone's radar because fighting off Raiders will make it take even longer
>77 chinese warheads
Jesus, did the chinese just really hate Vegas or did they just have such an absurd amount of nukes they could afford to waste some of them on a literal vacation city?
I think they wanted to do a "lucky number 7" gag, but 700 of their missiles were filled with water instead of fuel.
77 in the overall Vegas area, which includes Vegas itself, Nellis, Hoover Dam, Helios One, two major airports, and Repconn.
Ah alrighty that makes more sense still feels like massive overkill but isn't as much of a stretch as the chinese just deciding "frick that city in particular!" as funny as a thought that is.
I'm pretty sure he was setting up the city anyway, as he believes the spirit of Vegas is what's needed to get humanity back on its feet.
The encounter with the NCR told him he was out of time and other powers were making moves, so he stepped up his efforts and brought the Three Families in which created New Vegas as we find it.
What are your thoughts on Elon Musk
Not the guy you're replying to, but Musk is a wannabe Tony Stark (in the literal sense, not being a soiboi who can only infer on current media thing) who is positing himself as a populist autocrat when in reality, he's aligned with the uni party. Tldr Musk is controlled opposition who makes gay electric cars and can't even make proper 1960's space faring rockets , while House is modelled after Howard Hughes (primarily) and other visionaries like Nikola Tesla. If you need proof, refer to his "antisemtic" tweets only to heel turn and go to Auschwitz with Ben Shapiro wearing a Kippah.
He's not aligned with the uniparty he's desperately trying to stop the US government from finding an excuse to nationalize Twitter and giving it to Nina Jankowiscz
maybe he should stop letting NASA and the DoD use his rockets if he's trying to decouple from "the deep state" or whatever. he bid on twitter as a bluff and had to be forced by court order to follow through with the purchase
>I dont want the government to steal my $40 billion dollar business
>I want to keep making money by being the only non-Russian space delivery service for USA and NATO
>US government won't buy my electric cars despite being the only domestic electric car manufacturer
Why do homosexuals think the problem is Elon and not greedy, grasping kleptocrats in the US government. He's closer to being John Galt than not
>john galt
https://community.aarp.org
>He's not aligned with the uniparty he's desperately trying to stop the US government from finding an excuse to nationalize Twitter and giving it to Nina Jankowiscz
If that was his goal he's fricked it up massively. At least he's accidentally destroying the platform since its the modern version of Roman lead in the water pipes.
He still owns the platform despite the state coordinating with numerous corporations to bankrupt it
Your tldr was longer than your original explanation. Perhaps you aren’t just gay but moronic as well?
He's about as close to a Platonian philosopher-king as you can get
Wet_Memes
Can we stop having threads about this fricking stupid-ass shitty game? Go back to PrepHole.
I want to see if 20 easy petes armed with lever action shotguns could complete the campaign if the player was godmode pacifist that only existed to activate triggers and dialogue and lead the petes
If the Petes have perma-death you could probably finish vanilla but they'd choke on the traps in Dead Money alone
One (1) sneaky dude with a Sniper rifle
The NCR would easily win if it wasn't a corrupt India tier state since it's mentioned their best troops were stuck in NCR territory looking after the interests of Brahman barons.
I'm pretty sure Tandi is based on Indira Gandhi who was daughter of India's first president and made herself a dictator for life imposing martial rule on india twice at various times. The bitter springs massacre is mostly based on Wounded Knee but it could also be compared with Operation Blue Star where Indria Ghandi ordered the shelling and storming of the Sikh holy city of Armistar where Sikh militants were held up even though it was filled with mostly women and children with predictable results of 5000 innocent civilians dying in the crossfire.
The only way the comparison would be 1:1 would be if Tandi was magdumped with a 9mm SMG in her presidential garden by a Great Khan in revenge for bitter springs saying ""I have done what I had to do. You do what you want to do." allowing NCR troops to shoot him dead.
I want an open world game set in 70s India
No one wants anything set in India except Indians. Post hand
Indian Road Simulator would be good
I find it hard to sympathize with the Great Khans because they're a pack of egotistical, violent buttholes salty that they're no longer able to run roughshod over people and are getting what's long been coming to them. Unless I need the armorer I usually kill them. Any parallels to evoke sympathy fall flat.
The BoS come across as the only people taking the Enclave seriously.
>The BoS come across as the only people taking the Enclave seriously.
>NCR too busy trying to annex vault city and new reno
BoS choosing to stay out of the game is the only reason they were able to know the enclave was a threat at all and do anything about it
It's a pretty accurate parallel to the Plains Indians such as Kiowa, Sioux, and Lakota
>I find it hard to sympathize with the Great Khans
Same. I never understood the sudden change in status they got in NV. The Khans are a fricking raider gang, not a tribe or indigenous people. They will literally boast about how they raped and pillaged all of the things until suddenly the big mean NCR came along and kicked the shit out of them for raping and pillaging all the things. The Followers were even nice enough to teach them about chemistry in an attempt to give them a legitimate business to reform with, and all they do with it is make hard drugs to sell.
Far as the BOS goes, I dunno if I'd exactly call what they do with the Enclave 'taking them seriously' considering they're more interested in stealing Enclave tech than actually putting together any real force to stop them. Their whole 'we're the wasteland ATF' shtick doesn't really work once advanced civilizations they can't run roughshod over starting popping up again, though I still have no idea why they'd sperg out enough to actually try and go to blows with the NCR.
>the whole 'we're wasteland ATF' shtick doesn't work anymore
That's what Elijah's and Veronica's arcs were about. The Brotherhood needs to change and it refuses to
Based TKD proponants
The NCR while weak in the Mojave could easily win by moving forces up from the Boneyard to secure the power supply.
You have to forget LA exists for any other faction to have a chance.
Yeah but after the divide got n00ked they would have to run everyone thru that one route, sounds like a good way to get fricked up by legion sleeper ieds and (more importantly) probably too expensive for the brahmin barons to get behind
Are those two drug dealers making incest babies?