Chlorine gas is very nice, but it has severe tactical limitations. The utility of poison gas was mostly limited by the means available during the first world war.
Hitler is a burden, not an asset.
Germany has jet fighters armed with PGMs. modern jet fighters are unstoppable without advanced guided missile technology.
If you have the entire armies both line up at an incomprehensibly large battlefield and keep fighting until one side has no army left to speak of, it depends if the current day Germans have enough munitions in their tanks, planes, helis, artillery etc. to win the battle before raw troop numbers really come into it, I suspect they do not have enough for this task and eventually all the high tech vehicles will run out of fuel and die since retreat and rearm is not allowed in this scenario
If you meant an actual war then you simply must allow for current-day germany to take wartime measures
More likely, the modern Germans rapidly exterminate the logistics and command infrastructure of their WWI/WWII opponents and then induce mass surrenders from the panicked, uncoordinated and completely disorganized mobs they have turned the opposing armies into.
A modern army does not need to wipe out every combat formation of a WWII army. It can selectively wipe out all the rear-area services and command network that make it an army instead of an uncoordinated, starving rabble, and there ain't jack shit a WWII army can do to stop them.
They could build those missiles before the UK could get more than 20,000 soldiers onto mainland Europe.
4 months ago
Anonymous
No, they couldn't. Lol, for fricks sake, that country hasn't even made a breakthrough in military technology since 1945. ''Muh German technology'' is a myth.
4 months ago
Anonymous
All of that can by solved by money and necessity.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>''Muh German technology'' is a myth.
This. In practice, you can't talk about some terrible technological advantage of the Germans, because there were areas in which their technology stayed FAR behind the Allied. The Germans could not even build a single aircraft carrier (the unfinished graf zeppelin stayed at Danzig harbor for the entire war), not to mention the fact that they did not even have naval aviation to speak of in the first place. They couldn't develop a reliable four-engine strategic bombers, like the B17 or B29 (which were armed with remotely controlled turrets, with targeting computer, something the Germans never even dreamed of). They couldn't develop artillery munitions with Proximity fuse, which decimated entire German battalions in the Ardennes. They didn't have portable radio receivers like the American infantry, they didn't have any equivalent of the American Jeep, and finally, they couldn't even build an adequate number of trucks and their logistics relied almost entirely on horses. The standardization and mass production win wars, not some moronic impractical inventions like 70 ton tanks that break down after 150 km, or fighter jets with engines that die after 10 hours.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine being this moronic. German technology is the reason why America went to the moon, it also was the base for the majority of the western worlds military weapons for decades.
It's also worth noting they were essential in the development of both aircraft and anti aircraft weapons. When it comes to small arms they obviously had the MKB which was doctrinally copied by basically everyone. You can really go on forever about shot the krauts either invented or made significantly better.
4 months ago
Anonymous
LMAO, Goddard was ahead of the krauts in every way. The only thing von Braun was actually good at was creating hype.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>it also was the base for the majority of the western worlds military weapons for decades
More like the basis for teaching western designers how NOT to design military weapons LMAO.
>aircraft
Brits had the first jet and the Allies had beter jets than anything the krauts even had on the drawing board by 1945.
>anti-air
LMAO, krautshit attempts at MCLOS SAMs were compeltel worthless.
>small arms
LMAO, the M2 Carbine did it better.
>You can really go on forever about shot the krauts either invented or made significantly better.
And end up naming not a single actual thing that wasn't done better and earlier by the yanks, the brits or someone else. The only thing that stands out is that the krauts were desperate enough to rush their untested and underperforming experimental technology demonstrators into frotnline use because they were getting their asses stomped flat.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Nazis on the moon
Absolutely delusional. Von Braun himself said all nazi rocketry was cntl+c ,cntrl+v from Goddard. Canadians of all fricking people were substantially more important to NACA/NASA throughout mercury-apollo than the Paperclip Germans, as said Germans frequently stated themselves. Von Braun was like Speer, useful for his bureaucratic and organizational ability not his engineering skills. If anything the paperclip guys hampered NASA, pushing the big dumb rocket method and starving really innovative shit like the X15, X20, NERVA, etc.
The Iowa class could fire literally dozens of tons of ordnance every minute from her secondary batteries, a single round of which was far beyond the technical capability of the entire Reich. Also, heavy water? Seriously? Lmao
4 months ago
Anonymous
Damn, that's why Canadian ballistic missiles were so good in WW2.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah or maybe they were just collaborating with the USA on the Mighty Mouse and FFAR rockets which had far, far more effective results than the German v program.
4 months ago
Anonymous
if the V program was so useless, explain this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic-Ford_JB-2
also, provide a credible explanation to german early war advances while not using the boomer lore of 'blitzkrieg and secret technology'
4 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no, the yanks also looked into this shit as an experiment by the time the war was clearly won? That certainly means the V1 - something the yanks had had the means and technology to produce for like 2 years by that point - must have been extremely effective, and not that they were fricking around out of curiosity.
The real irony of course being that the US fricking around as an afterthought still ended up with them producing like 25% as many as the Germans were able to build with a full court press effort.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>FFAR is more advanced than the V2
Is this your argument?
4 months ago
Anonymous
tizzard mission anon. go look it up. as for rocketry, the allies actually built and used more rockets, because they used tactical rockets to frick shit up. everyone concentrated on shit that would win teh war, while the germans poured VAST sums into their rocketry program, all to kill a bunch of civillians in the uk. literally a fricking joke. the soviets were building rocket planes until they gave that up for the war.
>Buckingham.
You realize there's literally nothing in Buckingham Palace, right? It's just the royal residence in London but the royal family mostly lives in Windsor and Edinburgh.
Anyway people are forgetting that the UK has soldiers in Germany already.
>Krauts start war against the UK again >France joins in because Germany is being a shitter AGAIN >Other countries join in against Germany >Gets strangled again cause no natural resources
Disgusting bong. Couldn't win WWI on your own. Utterly BTFO in WW2 had to be saved by your former subjects. Let the bankers' puppet sleepwalk you into irreversible decline. I don't know what it is about bongs but I hate them so much bros, even more than Canadians.
The funniest thing about ww2 is that Roosevelt waited until Britain bankrupted itself and assured the death of the empire before he started to give real assistance. The UK used all of their foreign currency reserves and gold reserves to pay for American guns through the cash and carry program, and then once they were broke the US let them take out a line of credit with lend lease. Absolutely buck breaking the Bongs.
While the difference is indeed vast, so is the difference in manpower. Germany right now has roughly 200k troops. In contrast, Nazi Germany had a grand total of over 16 million.
I'm not sure anything short of nukes or unassailable position due to geographical factors (like being on an island) can stop an 80:1 human wave if said human wave uses rifles, however shitty.
Okay, let me rephrase that:
German army with an infinite stockpile of ammunition, fuel and the like would win with Nazi Germany in a cage match.
Otherwise it could go either way - 16 million meth'd screamers might well overrun the entire country before current Germany managed to do much of anything. In protracted conflict, yea, modern Germany obviously grinds out a victory.
In a real, modern conflict the nazi germany military leadership is dead by the end of the first week. There is no stopping modern intelligence and precision strikes with WW2 means. Especially if you are unaware of these capabilities.
And if everyone pushing papers is dead, the supply chain collapses. And sure, you might have 16 million dudes, but a well-placed shell can kill a lot of people at once.
And western militaries are very good at aiming.
>There is no stopping modern intelligence
eh, I would wager intelligence out of all fields is the one that isn't an immediate stomp. german intelligence is a meme and services from countries that actually do engage in serious clandestine action pretty much universally say that your ass better not relax against oldschool methods or you get fricked.
4 months ago
Anonymous
UAVs exist.
That alone is a devastating advantage.
4 months ago
Anonymous
ok and? modern german roe going to authorize opening fire on any seemingly civilian person that even looks at a checkpoint funny? besides, they don't have UAVs in a totally saturating amount. if taliban managed to stay alive vs AI powered 24/7 observing blimps, so can WWII german spies
4 months ago
Anonymous
huh?
Nazis can have all the intel in the world, if they can't act on it. Intelligence is largely meaningless without strike capabilities. You can know where the ammo dump is, if you can't blow it up, what good does that knowledge do you?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Targets can only be hit by long range missile strikes
Dude, these aren't Americans trying to hit targets in China. It's Germans fighting in Germany, if they can get spies to observe a target, they can get spies to plant charges.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, but the success of a precision missile strike is essentially assured.
The likelihood of some guy sneaking into the ammo dump planting charges and blowing it up, it's not very high, is it?
It's about how much you have to invest to make something happen and a missile strike is far less of a commitment than a team of trained saboteurs.
4 months ago
Anonymous
russians who really can't be credited with sophistication in their spy training (sending in morons who stop to stare straight into security cameras with open mouths) managed to act on intelligence just fine in the czech republic. arrogant attitudes like yours, naively counting on technology to prevent everything, is likely why they remain successful. i'm not saying tech is useless but it's not a magic wand and clandestine war without clearly defined targets is where the playing field is most level against 'primitives'
4 months ago
Anonymous
Who is talking about a clandestine war here?
I find it fascinating that you discount the idea of an immediate decapitation strike.
Bust out the old WW2 maps, find the war ministry, find the local bases, rail yards and bomb the shit out of them. War over.
It's done.
This is the advantage of having long range precision strike capabilities. Did you learn nothing from Desert Storm? Everyone else (even the Russians) learned a lot.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Did you learn nothing from Desert Storm?
but Iraqi command and control remained intact.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3092121
I didn't discount anything. All I said is that out of all domains of war, intelligence would be the least lopsided in old vs. new.
'muh immediate decapitation strike' is a bit G.W.Bush in 2001 tho
>Take 10 years to find a single goatfricker hiding in Pakistan
So many moronic takes in this thread.
4 months ago
Anonymous
What makes you think that they didn't know for a while and they just iced him when they did?
And even doing so, it didn't actually accomplish much.
Also, it's important to remember that Osama is not "some goatfricker", but part of the family controlling the largest Saudi construction conglomerate.
Infinite morale is no less silly than infinite ammunition.
If the oldschool conscripts don't understand the modern weapons that start slaughtering them, they'll rout.
If you brief them with the truth and tell them pic related, you'll just have a meth'd up mutiny.
Manpower doesn't matter if your leadership has been turned into red paste.
Manpower doesn't matter if your dudes with rifles can't penetrate an IFV or a tank. During those times, mechanized infantry wasn't really a thing and precision airstrikes weren't possible.
Night vision didn't exist. There's a reason the motto of the US land forces until recently was "we own the night". Night raids are devastating against combatants without night vision. If you can't see shit, you can't fight back.
War has changed.
Dumb take. Modern Germany does not maintain enough stockpiles of fuel and ammo to do that. With a 100000 dead krauts on the field, what are the nukrauts going to do with their fuel-less tanks and depleted supply of standoff munitions and arty? Another 500000 imperial subjects are marching into Berlin and you don't have time to make more.
>Modern Germany does not maintain enough stockpiles of fuel and ammo to do that
your take is even dumber. 1915 Germany's own stockpiles of ammunition, and their factories, and their railways, are all easily and instantly destroyed by airstrikes.
>Another 500000 imperial subjects are marching into Berlin and you don't have time to make more.
Marching into Berlin - with what? They have no supply lines. Each soldier carries 60 rounds of rifle ammunition. Their artillery, when it can find ammunition, has a hit rate lower than 1%. Leopard 2s are packing nothing but HE, and firing it at close range against massed infantry, because they are utterly unopposed.
The Imperial front line is a speed bump that IFVs roll over on their way to rape rear supply areas. If Imperial telephone lines still exist, the only conversations being conveyed by them are of officers begging for food, ammunition, or permission to surrender. Millions of fresh Imperial recruits, eager to reinforce the front, sit at train stations for weeks, waiting for trains that were blown to pieces months ago.
When a 2024 German civilian sees the enemy, they take a picture and post it to twitter, and that one action represents better acquisition and dissemination of intelligence than 1915 Germany could POSSIBLY achieve.
Manpower doesn't matter if your leadership has been turned into red paste.
Manpower doesn't matter if your dudes with rifles can't penetrate an IFV or a tank. During those times, mechanized infantry wasn't really a thing and precision airstrikes weren't possible.
Night vision didn't exist. There's a reason the motto of the US land forces until recently was "we own the night". Night raids are devastating against combatants without night vision. If you can't see shit, you can't fight back.
this isn't like your rts games were your units will keep fighting to the death, after getting their shit kicked in enough times most would break, refuse to follow any more suicide order, or outright surrender/defect
Do you think in a time of extreme war that modern Germany wouldn't begin to engage in more mass conscription and a war economy? Are you a genuine moron??
You gots to have dem prepared storages for dat mobilization. Germany up to 2022 aint had shit, country was run by literal Russian sockpuppets bent on disarming it and getting it on the hydrocarbon needle. Now it's sort of improving but it might relapse again.
Ironically WWI Germany did have dem mobilization storages.
More likely, the modern Germans rapidly exterminate the logistics and command infrastructure of their WWI/WWII opponents and then induce mass surrenders from the panicked, uncoordinated and completely disorganized mobs they have turned the opposing armies into.
A modern army does not need to wipe out every combat formation of a WWII army. It can selectively wipe out all the rear-area services and command network that make it an army instead of an uncoordinated, starving rabble, and there ain't jack shit a WWII army can do to stop them.
sir, are you betting on a 3 day special military operation like putin? what if they just don't surrender lmao.
Are you genuinely moronic? Just asking, because there is literally no way someone with half a clue would believe that a WWII army could do jack shit to stop a modern force from trampling all over it. Let alone use the Ukraine War as an argument for that.
Ukraine is a perfect example. A country with token amounts of high tech weapons (Russia) deludes itself it into thinking it can do 'le instantly destroy everything' and whatever shitty 40k fanfic you have written here about 'leopards firing into massed infantry'. With such a disparity in numbers there is a good chance for those leos getting the 1st GTA experience due to insufficient numbers for a continious frontline. Russian supply lines got mogged by old men with hunting rifles, there is no guarantee modern germany wont get rekt the same way even on fricking defense.
4 months ago
Anonymous
except Germany in this case wouldn't just have a few token amounts of tech but everything they have is vastly more advanced than whatever WW1 Germany can bring out, along with Germany actually having a competent system, I really wonder how you will justify most of said WW1 era german soldiers not breaking after seeing an IFV fricking their shit up
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Germany in this case wouldn't just have a few token amounts of tech but everything they have
exept 'everything they have' aint shit after decades of disarmament by Russian sockpuppet rule >I really wonder how you will justify most of said WW1 era german soldiers not breaking after seeing an IFV fricking their shit up
these people were sent to swarm entrenched 50. cals, behind barbed wire, the occasional sighting of an IFV (which isn't a magic weapon btw) might not have the epic effect you are looking for. and with huge manpower - imperial germany can afford that occasional IFV slaughter.
your mentality really seems to be that of some colonizer/GWOT republican thinking the 'primitive natives' will just run in panic or throw coconuts at the sight of a fancy thing.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>disarmament
they still have plenty of stock for any war, especially one against what are essentially primitives >dude they just won't le break
most of them have never even been around cars, with many of them being terrorized by WW1 era tanks, those things that barely moved faster than a horse at best, they will certainly break when an IFV fricks up their lines, followed by it disembarking guys with machine guns into their trench, and lets not even get into how their artillery pieces would be fricked from air raids alone, and without any contact with other units they will be in a confused state which usually induces encirclments which usually leads to surrenders
4 months ago
Anonymous
Quit just talking out of your ass, and as if you have the knowledge to talk about this. Read a book or two.
Fricking tourists, I swear to God.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Trying this bitterly to argue that war against 15 million armed people on a huge frontline while having significantly less numbers is a trivial and quick matter, literally 1-clicked away
ok lol
4 months ago
Anonymous
NTA you were arguing with at first; I'm seriously just annoyed at the self-assured tone your ignorant ass is adopting with these moronic takes.
Realize that you have no idea what you're talking about, and maybe start reading to better your sorry state.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>start reading to better your sorry state.
go on, reveal the names of the sacred tomes of boomer lore that should illuminate us
also >complaining about politeness on PrepHole
4 months ago
Anonymous
>muh 15 million people
most of whom would start routing when they get their entire artillery line blown up with a few airstrikes, that is then followed by straffing runs they can't do jack shit against, imagine trying to march your troops around when your position is always known and constantly being bombed, yeah good luck trying to maintain moral when ever area is a danger zone
4 months ago
Anonymous
>these people were sent to swarm entrenched 50. cals, behind barbed wire
and got slaughtered again and again and again and again and again
If there's nobody behind you telling you to do this, do you think you would?
4 months ago
Anonymous
Except the difference is that Russia didn't have "high tech weapons". They were just pretending that they did. They were exaggerating their own military capabilities. That's very common in Russia.
Meanwhile, Germans likely uderreport their military capabilities. It's similar to the abysmal readiness rates of the F-22.
Current Germany. WW1 germany was the best of it's age but Current Germany can air strike every railyard in Prussia in an afternoon. von Motke the Greater would weep MANLY TEARS not only at his life's work being destroyed so easily but his country being the one to do it.
Where did this myth of german military being good in the past come from?
As a german, looking back, we suck at war, simply. The only conflicts we managed to win were against people even more incompetent than us.
Now look at our record against actual strong players:
The swedes cucked us good way back then, they even occupied our clay for some time.
The french cucked us multiple times, including all the major ones, Napoleon, WW1, WW2 (Yes we initially beat them but don't forget they returned in 44 with the allies and kicked our asses again)
The brits cucked us GOOD in WW1 and WW2, they even gave us the middle finger and continued on as they were temporarily almost alone against us in WW2
The americans cucked us good both in WW1 and WW2.
The italians cucked us during their roman era, in WW1 they held against our assaults along our austrian moronic brothers.
We managed to lose the eastern front to the fricking soviet union in WW2, there's no greater humiliation than this.
So I am really sorry, but as a german I heavily disagree with anyone spouting this bullshit about Germany being good at war, we aren't, never were, never will be. We suck major dick when it comes to war.
WW2 is a bad example (especially for France) and most of your examples revolve around the World Wars, wars that notoriously included everybody (which lets you pad out the stats if you go country by country) and wars that Germany notoriously lost. Although German military performance is grossly exaggerated by wehraboos, Prussian Militarism did yield results from the Napoleonic Era up to WWI. Beyond that, people like Clausewitz and Moltke the Elder were among some of the greatest minds in military science.
When it comes to winning wars, the first step is to be morally grounded. Germany of today understands the importance of countering extremism, countering russian aggression, and upholding the rules based international order. Germany in WWI was a putin-esque authoritarian dictatorship intent on territorial aggression. This is why no matter how much land Putin "gains", they can never win, because
being recognized as the winner would require not being an aggressive dictatorship.
>being recognized as the winner would require not being an aggressive dictatorship.
3/4 of the world is that, recognition by the sensibilities of old white women doesn't really matter to them. they are happy with their stolen pile of gold.
>Germany of today understands the importance of countering extremism, countering russian aggression
No, it doesn't? If it did, Ukraine would already have Taurus by this point and the crimean bridge would be a coral reef by now, if it did it wouldn't send just a meager quantity of Leopards to Ukraine.
>Modern Germany is morally grounded
Mein brudder, your country is currently debating banning the largest opposition party in order to 'save democracy'. The only thing grounded about Germany is your electrical plants, which the Greens are trying to shut down to fulfill their sick vision of a human free world
anybody who asks if x modern day state would win against any ww2 state should unironically be banned from ever posting online against since they are usually >giga morons who infect the minds of others with their moronation >guilable teens who get their minds infected by said morons mentioned above and need to be barred for their own saftey >lazy attention prostitutes who need to get a life
WW1 Germany purely because they believe in their nation and would want to save Germany from its current state, and would be able to convince modern Germans to join their side and do the same. None of the people who think open borders and having white children be raped by arabs are the ones actually willing to die in battle. Total kaiserreich victory.
West German Bundeswehr EASY, arguably even easier than the current Bundeswehr defeating a WWI army. The 1980s West Germans actually took defence seriously and had a standing army of 450,000 men (not counting the reservists), thousands of Leopards, a well equipped air force, etc.
Modern Germany doesn't have the political will to take money away from social programs to buy more bullets for its modern equipment, meaning WW1 Germany wins after 24 hrs of horrendous casualties
Wermacht was a mere shadow of the Imperial German Army
everyone except the americans and japanese was running on fumes in WW2
read some WW1 books if you want to know true total war
Current germany. Now frick off
But the Kaiser has Giftgas and a certain austrian corporal.
How do you unblock your path nao?
Chlorine gas is very nice, but it has severe tactical limitations. The utility of poison gas was mostly limited by the means available during the first world war.
Hitler is a burden, not an asset.
Germany has jet fighters armed with PGMs. modern jet fighters are unstoppable without advanced guided missile technology.
>Hitler is a burden, not an asset
His Iron Cross (awarded for bravery) says otherwise.
Bravery is not an asset.
Foolhardiness =/= Bravery
Fly 1 jet over.
Forgot to mention. Current Germany has no conscription. Otherwise it wouldn't really be current.
If you have the entire armies both line up at an incomprehensibly large battlefield and keep fighting until one side has no army left to speak of, it depends if the current day Germans have enough munitions in their tanks, planes, helis, artillery etc. to win the battle before raw troop numbers really come into it, I suspect they do not have enough for this task and eventually all the high tech vehicles will run out of fuel and die since retreat and rearm is not allowed in this scenario
If you meant an actual war then you simply must allow for current-day germany to take wartime measures
More likely, the modern Germans rapidly exterminate the logistics and command infrastructure of their WWI/WWII opponents and then induce mass surrenders from the panicked, uncoordinated and completely disorganized mobs they have turned the opposing armies into.
A modern army does not need to wipe out every combat formation of a WWII army. It can selectively wipe out all the rear-area services and command network that make it an army instead of an uncoordinated, starving rabble, and there ain't jack shit a WWII army can do to stop them.
And WW1 Germany doesn't have any tanks.
Doubt (xxxxx)
albion
The UK would lose to modern Germany in a war.
UK GDP: 3.131 trillion USD (2021)
German GDP: 4.26 trillion USD (2021)
UK - 4 SSBNs
The UK couldn't deploy enough troops to Germany before the German economy built a massive military and launched hypersonic missiles at Buckingham.
No, you dumb frick. Germany does not even have such missiles. And they can't build shit.
They could build those missiles before the UK could get more than 20,000 soldiers onto mainland Europe.
No, they couldn't. Lol, for fricks sake, that country hasn't even made a breakthrough in military technology since 1945. ''Muh German technology'' is a myth.
All of that can by solved by money and necessity.
>''Muh German technology'' is a myth.
This. In practice, you can't talk about some terrible technological advantage of the Germans, because there were areas in which their technology stayed FAR behind the Allied. The Germans could not even build a single aircraft carrier (the unfinished graf zeppelin stayed at Danzig harbor for the entire war), not to mention the fact that they did not even have naval aviation to speak of in the first place. They couldn't develop a reliable four-engine strategic bombers, like the B17 or B29 (which were armed with remotely controlled turrets, with targeting computer, something the Germans never even dreamed of). They couldn't develop artillery munitions with Proximity fuse, which decimated entire German battalions in the Ardennes. They didn't have portable radio receivers like the American infantry, they didn't have any equivalent of the American Jeep, and finally, they couldn't even build an adequate number of trucks and their logistics relied almost entirely on horses. The standardization and mass production win wars, not some moronic impractical inventions like 70 ton tanks that break down after 150 km, or fighter jets with engines that die after 10 hours.
Imagine being this moronic. German technology is the reason why America went to the moon, it also was the base for the majority of the western worlds military weapons for decades.
It's also worth noting they were essential in the development of both aircraft and anti aircraft weapons. When it comes to small arms they obviously had the MKB which was doctrinally copied by basically everyone. You can really go on forever about shot the krauts either invented or made significantly better.
LMAO, Goddard was ahead of the krauts in every way. The only thing von Braun was actually good at was creating hype.
>it also was the base for the majority of the western worlds military weapons for decades
More like the basis for teaching western designers how NOT to design military weapons LMAO.
>aircraft
Brits had the first jet and the Allies had beter jets than anything the krauts even had on the drawing board by 1945.
>anti-air
LMAO, krautshit attempts at MCLOS SAMs were compeltel worthless.
>small arms
LMAO, the M2 Carbine did it better.
>You can really go on forever about shot the krauts either invented or made significantly better.
And end up naming not a single actual thing that wasn't done better and earlier by the yanks, the brits or someone else. The only thing that stands out is that the krauts were desperate enough to rush their untested and underperforming experimental technology demonstrators into frotnline use because they were getting their asses stomped flat.
>Nazis on the moon
Absolutely delusional. Von Braun himself said all nazi rocketry was cntl+c ,cntrl+v from Goddard. Canadians of all fricking people were substantially more important to NACA/NASA throughout mercury-apollo than the Paperclip Germans, as said Germans frequently stated themselves. Von Braun was like Speer, useful for his bureaucratic and organizational ability not his engineering skills. If anything the paperclip guys hampered NASA, pushing the big dumb rocket method and starving really innovative shit like the X15, X20, NERVA, etc.
The Iowa class could fire literally dozens of tons of ordnance every minute from her secondary batteries, a single round of which was far beyond the technical capability of the entire Reich. Also, heavy water? Seriously? Lmao
Damn, that's why Canadian ballistic missiles were so good in WW2.
Yeah or maybe they were just collaborating with the USA on the Mighty Mouse and FFAR rockets which had far, far more effective results than the German v program.
if the V program was so useless, explain this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic-Ford_JB-2
also, provide a credible explanation to german early war advances while not using the boomer lore of 'blitzkrieg and secret technology'
Oh no, the yanks also looked into this shit as an experiment by the time the war was clearly won? That certainly means the V1 - something the yanks had had the means and technology to produce for like 2 years by that point - must have been extremely effective, and not that they were fricking around out of curiosity.
The real irony of course being that the US fricking around as an afterthought still ended up with them producing like 25% as many as the Germans were able to build with a full court press effort.
>FFAR is more advanced than the V2
Is this your argument?
tizzard mission anon. go look it up. as for rocketry, the allies actually built and used more rockets, because they used tactical rockets to frick shit up. everyone concentrated on shit that would win teh war, while the germans poured VAST sums into their rocketry program, all to kill a bunch of civillians in the uk. literally a fricking joke. the soviets were building rocket planes until they gave that up for the war.
fricking wehrboos.
Germany couldn't build hypersonic missiles before being reduced to green glass by the 4 SSBNs.
>Buckingham.
You realize there's literally nothing in Buckingham Palace, right? It's just the royal residence in London but the royal family mostly lives in Windsor and Edinburgh.
Anyway people are forgetting that the UK has soldiers in Germany already.
You can have gazillion usd and only spend 10 usd on your military. It won't make you win against uk.
> Implying a war with the UK wouldn't mean a war with all the anglo states
Alas, poor fritz, the geography remains the same. Britain is perfectly positioned to blockade and starve you and always will be.
>6 destroyers
>11 Frigates
>10 Submarines
Yeah the UK is blockading no one.
Oh wait only 6 of those submarines are attack boats...
Now post Germany's
4 Frigates (destroyer displacement)
7 Frigates (other than the 4)
5 Corvettes
6 attack submarines
Not a very large numerical advantage for the Brits...
within the next 10-20 years they will have the EU eastern breadbasket secured and with the British doing more to obtain it for them
>Krauts start war against the UK again
>France joins in because Germany is being a shitter AGAIN
>Other countries join in against Germany
>Gets strangled again cause no natural resources
>The UK would lose to modern Germany in a war.
UK would feed Germany to Russia
Two world wars and a Global Empire upon which the sun still does not set.
LMAO. Two World Wars of getting saved by the yanks, and that dissolved the Empire anyway.
Churchill destroyed the empire just to spite the Germans and now Britain is getting reverse colonized. Truly a win for Albion
Shut up Germshit
American of French descent 😉
>American
>French
Easy to see why you would hate Britain, sorry for your loss.
You lost your status as a world power after the Suez Crisis when America b***h slapped you. Behold, modern Britain’s greatest military achievement
Disgusting bong. Couldn't win WWI on your own. Utterly BTFO in WW2 had to be saved by your former subjects. Let the bankers' puppet sleepwalk you into irreversible decline. I don't know what it is about bongs but I hate them so much bros, even more than Canadians.
The funniest thing about ww2 is that Roosevelt waited until Britain bankrupted itself and assured the death of the empire before he started to give real assistance. The UK used all of their foreign currency reserves and gold reserves to pay for American guns through the cash and carry program, and then once they were broke the US let them take out a line of credit with lend lease. Absolutely buck breaking the Bongs.
>Global Empire upon which the sun still does not set.
Time for bed gramps
Traitor
I don't think you can comprehend the difference in power between modern nations and even the militaries of the second world war.
While the difference is indeed vast, so is the difference in manpower. Germany right now has roughly 200k troops. In contrast, Nazi Germany had a grand total of over 16 million.
I'm not sure anything short of nukes or unassailable position due to geographical factors (like being on an island) can stop an 80:1 human wave if said human wave uses rifles, however shitty.
a helicopter gunship with nightvision could basically destroy a battalion by itself in a single night with complete impunity
Okay, let me rephrase that:
German army with an infinite stockpile of ammunition, fuel and the like would win with Nazi Germany in a cage match.
Otherwise it could go either way - 16 million meth'd screamers might well overrun the entire country before current Germany managed to do much of anything. In protracted conflict, yea, modern Germany obviously grinds out a victory.
In a real, modern conflict the nazi germany military leadership is dead by the end of the first week. There is no stopping modern intelligence and precision strikes with WW2 means. Especially if you are unaware of these capabilities.
And if everyone pushing papers is dead, the supply chain collapses. And sure, you might have 16 million dudes, but a well-placed shell can kill a lot of people at once.
And western militaries are very good at aiming.
>There is no stopping modern intelligence
eh, I would wager intelligence out of all fields is the one that isn't an immediate stomp. german intelligence is a meme and services from countries that actually do engage in serious clandestine action pretty much universally say that your ass better not relax against oldschool methods or you get fricked.
UAVs exist.
That alone is a devastating advantage.
ok and? modern german roe going to authorize opening fire on any seemingly civilian person that even looks at a checkpoint funny? besides, they don't have UAVs in a totally saturating amount. if taliban managed to stay alive vs AI powered 24/7 observing blimps, so can WWII german spies
huh?
Nazis can have all the intel in the world, if they can't act on it. Intelligence is largely meaningless without strike capabilities. You can know where the ammo dump is, if you can't blow it up, what good does that knowledge do you?
>Targets can only be hit by long range missile strikes
Dude, these aren't Americans trying to hit targets in China. It's Germans fighting in Germany, if they can get spies to observe a target, they can get spies to plant charges.
Sure, but the success of a precision missile strike is essentially assured.
The likelihood of some guy sneaking into the ammo dump planting charges and blowing it up, it's not very high, is it?
It's about how much you have to invest to make something happen and a missile strike is far less of a commitment than a team of trained saboteurs.
russians who really can't be credited with sophistication in their spy training (sending in morons who stop to stare straight into security cameras with open mouths) managed to act on intelligence just fine in the czech republic. arrogant attitudes like yours, naively counting on technology to prevent everything, is likely why they remain successful. i'm not saying tech is useless but it's not a magic wand and clandestine war without clearly defined targets is where the playing field is most level against 'primitives'
Who is talking about a clandestine war here?
I find it fascinating that you discount the idea of an immediate decapitation strike.
Bust out the old WW2 maps, find the war ministry, find the local bases, rail yards and bomb the shit out of them. War over.
It's done.
This is the advantage of having long range precision strike capabilities. Did you learn nothing from Desert Storm? Everyone else (even the Russians) learned a lot.
>Did you learn nothing from Desert Storm?
but Iraqi command and control remained intact.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3092121
I didn't discount anything. All I said is that out of all domains of war, intelligence would be the least lopsided in old vs. new.
'muh immediate decapitation strike' is a bit G.W.Bush in 2001 tho
>Take 10 years to find a single goatfricker hiding in Pakistan
So many moronic takes in this thread.
What makes you think that they didn't know for a while and they just iced him when they did?
And even doing so, it didn't actually accomplish much.
Also, it's important to remember that Osama is not "some goatfricker", but part of the family controlling the largest Saudi construction conglomerate.
Infinite morale is no less silly than infinite ammunition.
If the oldschool conscripts don't understand the modern weapons that start slaughtering them, they'll rout.
If you brief them with the truth and tell them pic related, you'll just have a meth'd up mutiny.
Ger
Dumb take. Modern Germany does not maintain enough stockpiles of fuel and ammo to do that. With a 100000 dead krauts on the field, what are the nukrauts going to do with their fuel-less tanks and depleted supply of standoff munitions and arty? Another 500000 imperial subjects are marching into Berlin and you don't have time to make more.
>another 500,000 are surrendering on mass
ftfy
>Modern Germany does not maintain enough stockpiles of fuel and ammo to do that
your take is even dumber. 1915 Germany's own stockpiles of ammunition, and their factories, and their railways, are all easily and instantly destroyed by airstrikes.
>Another 500000 imperial subjects are marching into Berlin and you don't have time to make more.
Marching into Berlin - with what? They have no supply lines. Each soldier carries 60 rounds of rifle ammunition. Their artillery, when it can find ammunition, has a hit rate lower than 1%. Leopard 2s are packing nothing but HE, and firing it at close range against massed infantry, because they are utterly unopposed.
The Imperial front line is a speed bump that IFVs roll over on their way to rape rear supply areas. If Imperial telephone lines still exist, the only conversations being conveyed by them are of officers begging for food, ammunition, or permission to surrender. Millions of fresh Imperial recruits, eager to reinforce the front, sit at train stations for weeks, waiting for trains that were blown to pieces months ago.
When a 2024 German civilian sees the enemy, they take a picture and post it to twitter, and that one action represents better acquisition and dissemination of intelligence than 1915 Germany could POSSIBLY achieve.
Manpower doesn't matter if your leadership has been turned into red paste.
Manpower doesn't matter if your dudes with rifles can't penetrate an IFV or a tank. During those times, mechanized infantry wasn't really a thing and precision airstrikes weren't possible.
Night vision didn't exist. There's a reason the motto of the US land forces until recently was "we own the night". Night raids are devastating against combatants without night vision. If you can't see shit, you can't fight back.
War has changed.
this isn't like your rts games were your units will keep fighting to the death, after getting their shit kicked in enough times most would break, refuse to follow any more suicide order, or outright surrender/defect
Do you think in a time of extreme war that modern Germany wouldn't begin to engage in more mass conscription and a war economy? Are you a genuine moron??
You gots to have dem prepared storages for dat mobilization. Germany up to 2022 aint had shit, country was run by literal Russian sockpuppets bent on disarming it and getting it on the hydrocarbon needle. Now it's sort of improving but it might relapse again.
Ironically WWI Germany did have dem mobilization storages.
sir, are you betting on a 3 day special military operation like putin? what if they just don't surrender lmao.
Are you genuinely moronic? Just asking, because there is literally no way someone with half a clue would believe that a WWII army could do jack shit to stop a modern force from trampling all over it. Let alone use the Ukraine War as an argument for that.
Ukraine is a perfect example. A country with token amounts of high tech weapons (Russia) deludes itself it into thinking it can do 'le instantly destroy everything' and whatever shitty 40k fanfic you have written here about 'leopards firing into massed infantry'. With such a disparity in numbers there is a good chance for those leos getting the 1st GTA experience due to insufficient numbers for a continious frontline. Russian supply lines got mogged by old men with hunting rifles, there is no guarantee modern germany wont get rekt the same way even on fricking defense.
except Germany in this case wouldn't just have a few token amounts of tech but everything they have is vastly more advanced than whatever WW1 Germany can bring out, along with Germany actually having a competent system, I really wonder how you will justify most of said WW1 era german soldiers not breaking after seeing an IFV fricking their shit up
>Germany in this case wouldn't just have a few token amounts of tech but everything they have
exept 'everything they have' aint shit after decades of disarmament by Russian sockpuppet rule
>I really wonder how you will justify most of said WW1 era german soldiers not breaking after seeing an IFV fricking their shit up
these people were sent to swarm entrenched 50. cals, behind barbed wire, the occasional sighting of an IFV (which isn't a magic weapon btw) might not have the epic effect you are looking for. and with huge manpower - imperial germany can afford that occasional IFV slaughter.
your mentality really seems to be that of some colonizer/GWOT republican thinking the 'primitive natives' will just run in panic or throw coconuts at the sight of a fancy thing.
>disarmament
they still have plenty of stock for any war, especially one against what are essentially primitives
>dude they just won't le break
most of them have never even been around cars, with many of them being terrorized by WW1 era tanks, those things that barely moved faster than a horse at best, they will certainly break when an IFV fricks up their lines, followed by it disembarking guys with machine guns into their trench, and lets not even get into how their artillery pieces would be fricked from air raids alone, and without any contact with other units they will be in a confused state which usually induces encirclments which usually leads to surrenders
Quit just talking out of your ass, and as if you have the knowledge to talk about this. Read a book or two.
Fricking tourists, I swear to God.
>Trying this bitterly to argue that war against 15 million armed people on a huge frontline while having significantly less numbers is a trivial and quick matter, literally 1-clicked away
ok lol
NTA you were arguing with at first; I'm seriously just annoyed at the self-assured tone your ignorant ass is adopting with these moronic takes.
Realize that you have no idea what you're talking about, and maybe start reading to better your sorry state.
>start reading to better your sorry state.
go on, reveal the names of the sacred tomes of boomer lore that should illuminate us
also
>complaining about politeness on PrepHole
>muh 15 million people
most of whom would start routing when they get their entire artillery line blown up with a few airstrikes, that is then followed by straffing runs they can't do jack shit against, imagine trying to march your troops around when your position is always known and constantly being bombed, yeah good luck trying to maintain moral when ever area is a danger zone
>these people were sent to swarm entrenched 50. cals, behind barbed wire
and got slaughtered again and again and again and again and again
If there's nobody behind you telling you to do this, do you think you would?
Except the difference is that Russia didn't have "high tech weapons". They were just pretending that they did. They were exaggerating their own military capabilities. That's very common in Russia.
Meanwhile, Germans likely uderreport their military capabilities. It's similar to the abysmal readiness rates of the F-22.
Current Germany. WW1 germany was the best of it's age but Current Germany can air strike every railyard in Prussia in an afternoon. von Motke the Greater would weep MANLY TEARS not only at his life's work being destroyed so easily but his country being the one to do it.
Where did this myth of german military being good in the past come from?
As a german, looking back, we suck at war, simply. The only conflicts we managed to win were against people even more incompetent than us.
Now look at our record against actual strong players:
The swedes cucked us good way back then, they even occupied our clay for some time.
The french cucked us multiple times, including all the major ones, Napoleon, WW1, WW2 (Yes we initially beat them but don't forget they returned in 44 with the allies and kicked our asses again)
The brits cucked us GOOD in WW1 and WW2, they even gave us the middle finger and continued on as they were temporarily almost alone against us in WW2
The americans cucked us good both in WW1 and WW2.
The italians cucked us during their roman era, in WW1 they held against our assaults along our austrian moronic brothers.
We managed to lose the eastern front to the fricking soviet union in WW2, there's no greater humiliation than this.
So I am really sorry, but as a german I heavily disagree with anyone spouting this bullshit about Germany being good at war, we aren't, never were, never will be. We suck major dick when it comes to war.
You are moronic or French.
Neither, I'm a realist, I don't need to pretend my country is something that it isn't and never was.
You're definitely one of the two.
go check out the holy roman empire sometime anon. germans are best at war when they're fighting themselves. which is a lot.
WW2 is a bad example (especially for France) and most of your examples revolve around the World Wars, wars that notoriously included everybody (which lets you pad out the stats if you go country by country) and wars that Germany notoriously lost. Although German military performance is grossly exaggerated by wehraboos, Prussian Militarism did yield results from the Napoleonic Era up to WWI. Beyond that, people like Clausewitz and Moltke the Elder were among some of the greatest minds in military science.
>As a german
The sheer difference in airpower would make it practically impossible for WWI Germany to fight against current Germany.
Current Germany
When it comes to winning wars, the first step is to be morally grounded. Germany of today understands the importance of countering extremism, countering russian aggression, and upholding the rules based international order. Germany in WWI was a putin-esque authoritarian dictatorship intent on territorial aggression. This is why no matter how much land Putin "gains", they can never win, because
being recognized as the winner would require not being an aggressive dictatorship.
>being recognized as the winner would require not being an aggressive dictatorship.
3/4 of the world is that, recognition by the sensibilities of old white women doesn't really matter to them. they are happy with their stolen pile of gold.
>Germany of today understands the importance of countering extremism, countering russian aggression
No, it doesn't? If it did, Ukraine would already have Taurus by this point and the crimean bridge would be a coral reef by now, if it did it wouldn't send just a meager quantity of Leopards to Ukraine.
We'd also be seeing Ukraine using german missiles to strike military targets deep inside Russia, forgot to add that.
>Germany in WWI was a putin-esque authoritarian dictatorship
t. absolute historylet
>Modern Germany is morally grounded
Mein brudder, your country is currently debating banning the largest opposition party in order to 'save democracy'. The only thing grounded about Germany is your electrical plants, which the Greens are trying to shut down to fulfill their sick vision of a human free world
Yeah frick those guys, they're traitors. They're russian stooges the lot of them.
Ban em.
so ban SPD, Die Linke as well? because they simping for Russia loooong before AfD was a thing.
and still are
Linke killed itself.
anybody who asks if x modern day state would win against any ww2 state should unironically be banned from ever posting online against since they are usually
>giga morons who infect the minds of others with their moronation
>guilable teens who get their minds infected by said morons mentioned above and need to be barred for their own saftey
>lazy attention prostitutes who need to get a life
WWI Germany is physically bigger, it could use its Silesian dong to assrape modern Germany with ease
WW1 Germany purely because they believe in their nation and would want to save Germany from its current state, and would be able to convince modern Germans to join their side and do the same. None of the people who think open borders and having white children be raped by arabs are the ones actually willing to die in battle. Total kaiserreich victory.
Why all the German and England hate itt?
Both are friends and allies of Israel and should work together to support it instead of arguing
I see what you did there.
Current Germany would send a Tornado to shove a JDAM up the Kaiser's arse.
This question is boring.
The much better question would be
>1986 WEST GERMAN BUNDESWEHR >VERSUS
>1917 KAISERLICHES HEER
As they are. No additional draft, no additional buildup of industries. Just both armies and countries against each other.
West German Bundeswehr EASY, arguably even easier than the current Bundeswehr defeating a WWI army. The 1980s West Germans actually took defence seriously and had a standing army of 450,000 men (not counting the reservists), thousands of Leopards, a well equipped air force, etc.
Modern Germany doesn't have the political will to take money away from social programs to buy more bullets for its modern equipment, meaning WW1 Germany wins after 24 hrs of horrendous casualties
Wermacht was a mere shadow of the Imperial German Army
everyone except the americans and japanese was running on fumes in WW2
read some WW1 books if you want to know true total war
they can build more modern main battle tanks then Rusia or China, or any European country.
they have a chain on it and can't but they easily can manufacture 3 thousand leopards in a year.
i read an article that their current capability of construction, in peace time, is 10 tanks a day.
if they enter in military economy, double the production. in less then 2 years would be 10 thousand main modern battle tanks
with those they could conquer Europe, Russia, and all Arab Countries and north Africa. While pushing back America.
If japan does it to, starting build army, they could easily take America and India nd China.
Basically they are the 3th and 4th economies of the world, just by means of hard work, with no resources underground. But restrictions on army.
it is just a matter of time till they will conquer all earth.
>another thread of mouth breathing morons thinking op said ww2 and not ww1
genuinely one of the most moronic boards