>Three crewed military reconnaissance stations were launched between 1973 and 1976: Salyut 2, Salyut 3 and Salyut 5. >In addition to reconnaissance equipment, Almaz was equipped with a unique 23mm Rikhter (factory index 261P or 225P) rapid-fire cannon mounted on the forward belly of the station. This revolver cannon was modified from the tail-gun of the Tu-22 bomber and was capable of a theoretical rate of fire of 1800-2000 (up to 2600) rounds per minute. Each 168 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-D-R ) or 173 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-G-R) projectile flew at a speed of 850 m/s relative to the station. The cannon was tested at the end of the mission by firing 20 rounds, when the station was operating in uncrewed mode. To aim the cannon, which was on a fixed mounting, the entire station would be turned to face the target.[7] The Almaz series are the only known armed, crewed military spacecraft ever flown. > The Almaz series are the only known armed, crewed military spacecraft ever flown. >armed, crewed
what is the attention span of a vaccinated zoomer?
Almaz, but the US also briefly considered building an array of military space hardware based on Gemini capsules. A Gemini might have had an Agena upper stage and armed service module for in-space operations.
Elon is notoriously naive about the dangers we face and is against any weapons on any of his craft or Mars.
>who will make >will make >will
Heh. Why most people assume countries stopped at nukes and missiles? Tech that was the wunderwaffe of WW2. Nearly 100 years old tech. And the ridiculous requirements for space shuttle.. obviously a cover for prototyping test platform.
it was an astronautics textbed , replaced with the x37 for long term missions
there were like 3-4 classified NRO/spaceforce missions of the falcon
its very unlikely that any of these were weapons. very likely that they were antennas and transceivers for various radars and passive ISR payloads and/or cameras
>very unlikely that any of these were weapons
this is the important bit. think what makes sense and would give benefit in practice. no-ones going to build pretty sci-fi space-cruisers. but being able to slap a boosters to squadron special F35s and have them safely and invisibly reenter anywhere on world in 15 minutes...
>if you want the ultimate orbital weapon make existing reentry vehicles (ones used in ICBMs) in large numbers and load em up on falcon9/starship
but then what's the point of boosting them all the way to orbit, leaving them there, and after a period of time deorbiting them over the target? Why not simply boost them only as much as they need to reach the target on the first pass?
you put them into low orbit vs a high-apogee trajectory because in a lot orbit you are far harder to spot and track
this is the big advantage of starship vs ICBMs starship is reusable and can dump missiles into LEO and then deorbit itself for another run
11 months ago
Anonymous
you can track cubesats in LEO with fricking binoculars
you are moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>harder to spot and track
see
you can track cubesats in LEO with fricking binoculars
you are moronic
>can dump missiles into LEO >LEO >O
But what's the point of being in orbit in the first place? You either want your nukes headed to their target in the shortest amount of time, or safe and hidden. What's the point of the nukes hanging out in orbit doing nothing in particular where anyone can see them and intercept them?
11 months ago
Anonymous
leo trajectory is best because its the hardest to track
11 months ago
Anonymous
why have the nuke in orbit where it can be tracked (regardless of how difficult it is) rather than safe in the silo
11 months ago
Anonymous
because it needs to physically get to the enemy to do damage, it cant do that from a silo
CoaDE spiritual sequel when
11 months ago
Anonymous
>physically get to the enemy
that's my point. Why waste time orbiting the earth when you could be heading directly towards the target
11 months ago
Anonymous
earth is in the way
maybe i was unclear i dont necessarily mean for the missiles to go around earth multiple times just to enter a LEO trajectory for some of their path.
having weapons in orbit is also not a bad idea if you can put decent propulsion on so they can do fairly fast inclination maneuvers they can come at the enemy from unexpected directions
11 months ago
Anonymous
>earth is in the way
kek
Right, I see what you mean now. But then it's not just as simple as strapping the nukes on the rocket, you need to have the nukes capable of braking out of orbit, that's a whole new vehicle. But I see why you would want to do that now
11 months ago
Anonymous
there are other possible missiles that take a shorter route but under the surface the environment density is much greater so missiles are slower
Nobody, all hostile nations will be integrated before we have to fund these money sinks of all money sinks.
Spacefaring vessels will be designed for more productive ends.
Honestly this. I know people hate it, but a united earth dedicated to going to conquer the galaxy... or at least the solar system is a goal I'd like. I know /misc/ types hate it because 'le evil globohomosexual NWO ZOG' shit but it is honestly the only way we're gonna get off the planet is if we're all united and don't want to frick each other over. Sadly I have a feeling certain nations will try to do it anyway.
If we knew we were 100% not alone in the universe, we could perhaps go 'frick we better stop fighting each other because there are alien fricks out there that might try some shit'. Even just proof of microbial life would be enough. Sadly COVID and lack of funding delayed shit loads of research plans for Europa.
Honestly this. I know people hate it, but a united earth dedicated to going to conquer the galaxy... or at least the solar system is a goal I'd like. I know /misc/ types hate it because 'le evil globohomosexual NWO ZOG' shit but it is honestly the only way we're gonna get off the planet is if we're all united and don't want to frick each other over. Sadly I have a feeling certain nations will try to do it anyway.
If we knew we were 100% not alone in the universe, we could perhaps go 'frick we better stop fighting each other because there are alien fricks out there that might try some shit'. Even just proof of microbial life would be enough. Sadly COVID and lack of funding delayed shit loads of research plans for Europa.
Sure, who is gonna run the united Earth and what sorta system will rule Earth then? American style democracy or China style managed democracy?
Also, which one should lead the united Earth?
They'll likely be if SpaceX gets one, I'm not so sure with NASA and USSF, since USSF will likely take it over due to security worries and just become a de-facto US base.
Because a base on an asteroid has no protection from the elements, no atmosphere. It will likely need weaponry from meteors and other rocks heading into it. I don't think they'll license out weapons that can take out spaceships to some morons like SpaceX or NASA. I also think there's gonna be airport levels of security for any new arrivals. You know, because terrorists would likely see this as prime terror estate. The bigger the station, the more traffic it has, the more officers it will likely need. Might as well plop down a US base there at that point.
Though, yeah. Other nations will likely be present too. Just think of them as a US base in Iraq with some allied NATO countries present. I don't think USA will want to share an asteroid with China or Russia.
the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz
>program
>unmanned
It was a manned station, it was just unmanned during the test firing.
>Three crewed military reconnaissance stations were launched between 1973 and 1976: Salyut 2, Salyut 3 and Salyut 5.
>In addition to reconnaissance equipment, Almaz was equipped with a unique 23mm Rikhter (factory index 261P or 225P) rapid-fire cannon mounted on the forward belly of the station. This revolver cannon was modified from the tail-gun of the Tu-22 bomber and was capable of a theoretical rate of fire of 1800-2000 (up to 2600) rounds per minute. Each 168 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-D-R ) or 173 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-G-R) projectile flew at a speed of 850 m/s relative to the station. The cannon was tested at the end of the mission by firing 20 rounds, when the station was operating in uncrewed mode. To aim the cannon, which was on a fixed mounting, the entire station would be turned to face the target.[7] The Almaz series are the only known armed, crewed military spacecraft ever flown.
> The Almaz series are the only known armed, crewed military spacecraft ever flown.
>armed, crewed
what is the attention span of a vaccinated zoomer?
GoldenEye was real?
Martian Congressional Republic
Belter fricking scum
spacex when elon has a spergfit about some regulation the US tries to force on spacex and he declares independance
not gonna happen unless he makes an orbital station and/or has launch sites in other countries
this is after he's started his mars colony
so basically
not gonna happen
we might get a mars base in 20 years but it's gonna be dependant on routine shipments of supplies for decades
Naw I watched the movie, you can just grow potatoes in your poo.
>when elon
nobody will give a space weapon technology to this fricking moron
>give
You know SpaceX alone has more lift capacity than any country outside the US and most of them combined, right?
Almaz, but the US also briefly considered building an array of military space hardware based on Gemini capsules. A Gemini might have had an Agena upper stage and armed service module for in-space operations.
Elon is notoriously naive about the dangers we face and is against any weapons on any of his craft or Mars.
Too moronic.
>who will make
>will make
>will
Heh. Why most people assume countries stopped at nukes and missiles? Tech that was the wunderwaffe of WW2. Nearly 100 years old tech. And the ridiculous requirements for space shuttle.. obviously a cover for prototyping test platform.
it was an astronautics textbed , replaced with the x37 for long term missions
there were like 3-4 classified NRO/spaceforce missions of the falcon
its very unlikely that any of these were weapons. very likely that they were antennas and transceivers for various radars and passive ISR payloads and/or cameras
>very unlikely that any of these were weapons
this is the important bit. think what makes sense and would give benefit in practice. no-ones going to build pretty sci-fi space-cruisers. but being able to slap a boosters to squadron special F35s and have them safely and invisibly reenter anywhere on world in 15 minutes...
that would be moronic and obscenely expensive and unpractical
if you want the ultimate orbital weapon make existing reentry vehicles (ones used in ICBMs) in large numbers and load em up on falcon9/starship
>if you want the ultimate orbital weapon make existing reentry vehicles (ones used in ICBMs) in large numbers and load em up on falcon9/starship
but then what's the point of boosting them all the way to orbit, leaving them there, and after a period of time deorbiting them over the target? Why not simply boost them only as much as they need to reach the target on the first pass?
you put them into low orbit vs a high-apogee trajectory because in a lot orbit you are far harder to spot and track
this is the big advantage of starship vs ICBMs starship is reusable and can dump missiles into LEO and then deorbit itself for another run
you can track cubesats in LEO with fricking binoculars
you are moronic
>harder to spot and track
see
>can dump missiles into LEO
>LEO
>O
But what's the point of being in orbit in the first place? You either want your nukes headed to their target in the shortest amount of time, or safe and hidden. What's the point of the nukes hanging out in orbit doing nothing in particular where anyone can see them and intercept them?
leo trajectory is best because its the hardest to track
why have the nuke in orbit where it can be tracked (regardless of how difficult it is) rather than safe in the silo
because it needs to physically get to the enemy to do damage, it cant do that from a silo
CoaDE spiritual sequel when
>physically get to the enemy
that's my point. Why waste time orbiting the earth when you could be heading directly towards the target
earth is in the way
maybe i was unclear i dont necessarily mean for the missiles to go around earth multiple times just to enter a LEO trajectory for some of their path.
having weapons in orbit is also not a bad idea if you can put decent propulsion on so they can do fairly fast inclination maneuvers they can come at the enemy from unexpected directions
>earth is in the way
kek
Right, I see what you mean now. But then it's not just as simple as strapping the nukes on the rocket, you need to have the nukes capable of braking out of orbit, that's a whole new vehicle. But I see why you would want to do that now
there are other possible missiles that take a shorter route but under the surface the environment density is much greater so missiles are slower
Nobody. It's a shit idea.
Lasers are on the table, though, as are missiles.
Never. By the time spacecraft need to be weaponised, there won't be a reason to use anything other than AGI on them.
Why should it be manned?
Nobody, all hostile nations will be integrated before we have to fund these money sinks of all money sinks.
Spacefaring vessels will be designed for more productive ends.
Honestly this. I know people hate it, but a united earth dedicated to going to conquer the galaxy... or at least the solar system is a goal I'd like. I know /misc/ types hate it because 'le evil globohomosexual NWO ZOG' shit but it is honestly the only way we're gonna get off the planet is if we're all united and don't want to frick each other over. Sadly I have a feeling certain nations will try to do it anyway.
If we knew we were 100% not alone in the universe, we could perhaps go 'frick we better stop fighting each other because there are alien fricks out there that might try some shit'. Even just proof of microbial life would be enough. Sadly COVID and lack of funding delayed shit loads of research plans for Europa.
thats what they said about aviation and about oceangoing shipping and about many shit before that
in 100 years you will have some war somewhere where spacecraft shoot other spacecraft
Sure, who is gonna run the united Earth and what sorta system will rule Earth then? American style democracy or China style managed democracy?
Also, which one should lead the united Earth?
Probably the chinese, but they'll name it something implessive like heavenly dragon conquerer 888 and it won't actually be that effective
Eh, let's post a few of the good webm
looks like we've got a fan of TLW and Theo here
The first to establish mines on mineral-rich asteroids. So likely SpaceX, NASA or USSF.
No reason 2 nations can't mine the same asteroid.
Those frickers are big.
They'll likely be if SpaceX gets one, I'm not so sure with NASA and USSF, since USSF will likely take it over due to security worries and just become a de-facto US base.
But why?
It's not a limited recourse, It's like saying they have to secure solar energy.
Because a base on an asteroid has no protection from the elements, no atmosphere. It will likely need weaponry from meteors and other rocks heading into it. I don't think they'll license out weapons that can take out spaceships to some morons like SpaceX or NASA. I also think there's gonna be airport levels of security for any new arrivals. You know, because terrorists would likely see this as prime terror estate. The bigger the station, the more traffic it has, the more officers it will likely need. Might as well plop down a US base there at that point.
Though, yeah. Other nations will likely be present too. Just think of them as a US base in Iraq with some allied NATO countries present. I don't think USA will want to share an asteroid with China or Russia.
kinda cant unless its cooperatively. the main thing needed for mining ( if its really big) is redirecting the entire thing with mass drivers
The Roman Empire
Congreve my child.
always fun to see TLW ( the Lunar War) pop up here.
( its gonna be USSF or China, Russia doesnt have the industry for it anymore)