Which man portable ATGM has been the most useful in Ukraine, javelin or NLAW?
The comparison is unfair, they both have their utility.
Built up areas, close to medium range ambush? NLAW, absolutely.
The plains and fields of eastern Ukraine? Javelin shits over the NLAW so hard it's not even funny.
Personally I kinda have my reservations regarding the PLOS system on the NLAW, a tank moving in a straight line at a constant speed is not something that is guaranteed to happen.
>A tank moving in a straight line at a constant speed is not something that is guaranteed to happen.
Well no not gaurenteed perse, but vehicles move point to point, usually in a predictive speed. Within the time taken to fire and the time taken to reach the tank, variances in vehicle speed are unlikely to be major enough to create a miss, unless the tank just happens to immediately brake (Unlikely).
Javelin beats out the NLAW which beats out the Carl Gustaf/AT-4/Panzerfaust variants according to some Ukie general, but where possible they allegedly almost universally prefer the Stugna-P or TOW.
>Javelin beats out the NLAW which beats out the Carl Gustaf/AT-4/Panzerfaust variants according to some Ukie general
Arguably, all the unguided rocket system have the same limitation which is the shooter/shooting platform which makes them a 200m at most weapon. However, there does seem to be a preference for the heavier (90-105mm) rockets compared to the lighter ones (66-76mm) because they bring more destruction to the target.
If you watch this combat video shared below, the Ukrainians rocket spam (with most missing) a stationary BMP2 with various unguided munitions after the NLAW being the rocket that initially disabled it:
It looks like there is a big difference between NLAWs/Javelins compared to their legacy competitors because of built-in guidance systems.
Anyhow, if anons want an excellent channel to watch then check out Valgear's because he actually has combat experience with all the gear he uses/reviews and he has access to some pretty neat stuff. Shared below are two of his most favourite systems (RGW90 + RshG 1) which seem to be the best disposable rocket systems currently being used:
Both, each during different situations according to each platforms strengths, Which is why Ukraines light infantry doctrine (Adapted from the UK) emphasises a mixture of both.
NLAW >costs 5 times less >weighs half as much
Javelin >longer range >larger warhead
I remember hearing that the Ukrainian soldiers preferred NLAW and I can understand why, they're the ones have to lug it around and infantry very much appreciate light weight, a kilometer range is probably enough to meet their practical needs and the extra armor penetration might not be that useful fighting Soviet shit boxes.
I'd rather have Javelin over NLAW
I'd rather have 20 NLAWs over one Javelin
Both however seem to have their place, Javelin seems to be the better weapon to give a specialized tank hunting team that want all the range and penetration they can get while the NLAW would work best being bought in higher numbers and given to light infantry at say the platoon level.
>remember hearing that the Ukrainian soldiers preferred NLAW
This was just a something that was made up. I remember that guy too and when pressed for a source he could never provide one.
>…a kilometer range is probably enough to meet their practical needs and the extra armor penetration might not be that useful fighting Soviet shit boxes.<
I used to shoot Dragons. 1000 meters isn’t enough, (especially with that slow ass missile).
Ten seconds is a LOOOOOONG time to sit on your ass not breathing to track your bunny fate your back last has announced where you are to every dick with and AK or RPK.
nothing wrong with beam riders - the stugna weapons were really usefull, altough that is probably due to the remote control and tactics deployed by ZSU
This is the second generation of atgm, the Soviet Union and subsequently Russia probably suck a lot in terms of microelectronics, optics and programming to make a third-generation system which works on the principle of shot and forgot
NLAW then Javelin, in chronological order. At the beginning it was too late to use only Javelins, Russians had already entered urban areas which Javelins aren’t ideal for. NLAWs helped push them out. Then when the battle moved to open plains the Javelins became more useful for their range. They needed both, stop trying to start shit.
Hard to say at the moment, not least because they are very different weapons, and we would also need to know numbers supplied, reports on reliability, accuracy, lethality etc. The Ukrainians aren't going to laud one and trash the other, otherwise they might not receive free stuff. We'll know soon enough OP, in the meanwhile keep sucking dick to keep yourself busy instead of making moronic threads.
Definitely Javelin. There’s even a fresh javelin kill thread up on /k/ right now. There’s consistently javelin combat footage threads up but almost never NLAW footage. I have to go with what my eyes tell me
>There’s consistently javelin combat footage threads up but almost never NLAW footage.
That's related to how they're used and at what they excel though anon. You'll always see more footage of any weapon system that's used from relative safety at long range than something used reactively at short range.
Different use cases. One's much cheaper and easier to use, the other has a much longer effective range etc. Stop being an infant with these X vs Y threads.
NLAW >cheaper >more effective in urban environments >lighter >easier to use
Javelin >much longer effective range >larger warhead = more effective penetration >harder to use >more expensive >heavier
Both are good. If I had to choose it'd depend on where I was going to be fighting. Large scale urban assaults from the early war? Give me the NLAW any day. The protracted field-to-field fighting we see so frequently now? Give me the Javelin
NLAW: Fantastic when fighting armored vehicles at close range and with little time to spare
Javelin: Fantastic when fighting armored vehicles at medium to long range with some prep time
NLAW is perfect for Ukrainians being an all-in-one point-and-click weapon effective at super close range. They reportedly get almost no training so any weapon system like the Javelin which requires managing multiple things including extra logistics (CLU and batteries) and correct positioning is going to be less useful to them. NLAW is just point-and-click vehicle destruction so even a conscript pulled off the street given 2 days of training can be sufficiently trained on using it.
Also the Javelins they got are probably being banked up by some general hoping to sell them for a fat payday after the war. If anyone asks he can just say they’re too hard to use for conscripts and they’re being saved for a critical defensive battle, etc.
>Javelins they got are probably being banked up by some general hoping to sell them for a fat payday after the war. If anyone asks he can just say they’re too hard to use for conscripts and they’re being saved for a critical defensive battle, etc.
May I see a source that backs this up
>Javelin beats out the NLAW which beats out the Carl Gustaf/AT-4/Panzerfaust variants according to some Ukie general
Arguably, all the unguided rocket system have the same limitation which is the shooter/shooting platform which makes them a 200m at most weapon. However, there does seem to be a preference for the heavier (90-105mm) rockets compared to the lighter ones (66-76mm) because they bring more destruction to the target.
If you watch this combat video shared below, the Ukrainians rocket spam (with most missing) a stationary BMP2 with various unguided munitions after the NLAW being the rocket that initially disabled it:
It looks like there is a big difference between NLAWs/Javelins compared to their legacy competitors because of built-in guidance systems.
Anyhow, if anons want an excellent channel to watch then check out Valgear's because he actually has combat experience with all the gear he uses/reviews and he has access to some pretty neat stuff. Shared below are two of his most favourite systems (RGW90 + RshG 1) which seem to be the best disposable rocket systems currently being used:
>Another which is better thread
If you're not comparing like with like it just boils down to pointless shit flinging. "Which is better, an M82 Barret, or an MP5?" well it depends on what you're trying to do with it and a whole host of other factors. The Javelin is great for defending a position with great sight lines and where you have other cover to move to quickly. The NLAW is exactly what you want to have in close in engagements (like a city fight) and just as an all purpose 'OH SHIT' weapon for infantry units to carry anywhere that hostile armour is a possible threat.
They are not comparable weapons. The UK (who of course provided the NLAWs) uses both. Specialised anti tank platoons use Jav in British service. With NLAW issued to all the other infantrymen when their is a good probability they will face armour.
Jav is superior overall. But it is not as easy to use, not as quick to use, is heavy and costs a lot. NLAW is superior to Jav for close range encounters with armour where speed of reaction is critical.
No one here has enough detailed information to have a genuinely informed opinion, nor is such an opinion remotely useful for any practical purpose. OP is asking a teentarded low content no value question. It's a slide thread.
>thinly veiled warriortard thread
sage goes in all fields
>you are not allowed to directly compare 2 weapon systems because I’m obsessed with some random moron on the internet
The comparison is unfair, they both have their utility.
Built up areas, close to medium range ambush? NLAW, absolutely.
The plains and fields of eastern Ukraine? Javelin shits over the NLAW so hard it's not even funny.
Personally I kinda have my reservations regarding the PLOS system on the NLAW, a tank moving in a straight line at a constant speed is not something that is guaranteed to happen.
>A tank moving in a straight line at a constant speed is not something that is guaranteed to happen.
Well no not gaurenteed perse, but vehicles move point to point, usually in a predictive speed. Within the time taken to fire and the time taken to reach the tank, variances in vehicle speed are unlikely to be major enough to create a miss, unless the tank just happens to immediately brake (Unlikely).
Javelin beats out the NLAW which beats out the Carl Gustaf/AT-4/Panzerfaust variants according to some Ukie general, but where possible they allegedly almost universally prefer the Stugna-P or TOW.
Why bring up crew served atgms at all? OP specifically said man portable
Context my Black
>Javelin beats out the NLAW which beats out the Carl Gustaf/AT-4/Panzerfaust variants according to some Ukie general
Arguably, all the unguided rocket system have the same limitation which is the shooter/shooting platform which makes them a 200m at most weapon. However, there does seem to be a preference for the heavier (90-105mm) rockets compared to the lighter ones (66-76mm) because they bring more destruction to the target.
If you watch this combat video shared below, the Ukrainians rocket spam (with most missing) a stationary BMP2 with various unguided munitions after the NLAW being the rocket that initially disabled it:
It looks like there is a big difference between NLAWs/Javelins compared to their legacy competitors because of built-in guidance systems.
Anyhow, if anons want an excellent channel to watch then check out Valgear's because he actually has combat experience with all the gear he uses/reviews and he has access to some pretty neat stuff. Shared below are two of his most favourite systems (RGW90 + RshG 1) which seem to be the best disposable rocket systems currently being used:
The AT4 and CG aren't even meant to take out tanks, they are bunker busters or used against light vehicles.
Idiot
>which rifle js the best, the M9 Bayonet or the M1911 colt
This is you
Are there guided rounds? If so how do they work
Yes, though only at the development stage AFAIK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_Multipurpose_Munition
Both, each during different situations according to each platforms strengths, Which is why Ukraines light infantry doctrine (Adapted from the UK) emphasises a mixture of both.
>which has been most useful
>both?????
NLAW
>costs 5 times less
>weighs half as much
Javelin
>longer range
>larger warhead
I remember hearing that the Ukrainian soldiers preferred NLAW and I can understand why, they're the ones have to lug it around and infantry very much appreciate light weight, a kilometer range is probably enough to meet their practical needs and the extra armor penetration might not be that useful fighting Soviet shit boxes.
Both however seem to have their place, Javelin seems to be the better weapon to give a specialized tank hunting team that want all the range and penetration they can get while the NLAW would work best being bought in higher numbers and given to light infantry at say the platoon level.
You forgot javelin has 4x the range
I said it had longer range twice.
>remember hearing that the Ukrainian soldiers preferred NLAW
This was just a something that was made up. I remember that guy too and when pressed for a source he could never provide one.
>…a kilometer range is probably enough to meet their practical needs and the extra armor penetration might not be that useful fighting Soviet shit boxes.<
I used to shoot Dragons. 1000 meters isn’t enough, (especially with that slow ass missile).
Ten seconds is a LOOOOOONG time to sit on your ass not breathing to track your bunny fate your back last has announced where you are to every dick with and AK or RPK.
he wasn't saying he shot AT dragons anon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M47_Dragon
wasn't that thing a giant piece of shit?
>dragoon
ok but nlaw is fire and forget. you're not sitting on your ass for 10 seconds while the missile boomblasts the neighborhood
This
Stop being so disingenuous, when the question is so loaded and shit.
I'd rather have Javelin over NLAW
I'd rather have 20 NLAWs over one Javelin
these are not even remotely comparable but ill go with this guy
You missed Kornet system
Not man portable and LOL beam rider
nothing wrong with beam riders - the stugna weapons were really usefull, altough that is probably due to the remote control and tactics deployed by ZSU
Stop copeing. Beam riders can’t passively target an enemy
just like it missed it's target
This is the second generation of atgm, the Soviet Union and subsequently Russia probably suck a lot in terms of microelectronics, optics and programming to make a third-generation system which works on the principle of shot and forgot
NLAW then Javelin, in chronological order. At the beginning it was too late to use only Javelins, Russians had already entered urban areas which Javelins aren’t ideal for. NLAWs helped push them out. Then when the battle moved to open plains the Javelins became more useful for their range. They needed both, stop trying to start shit.
Then I suppose they will need NLAW's again in the future, if you know what I mean...
Delightfully devilish, Sergei.
Whatever they had more of.
They’re both good. Looks like they got a lot more use out javelin tho
I like nlaw more but I'm not an amerigoblin
Hard to say at the moment, not least because they are very different weapons, and we would also need to know numbers supplied, reports on reliability, accuracy, lethality etc. The Ukrainians aren't going to laud one and trash the other, otherwise they might not receive free stuff. We'll know soon enough OP, in the meanwhile keep sucking dick to keep yourself busy instead of making moronic threads.
javelina
javelin needs a control unit
That’s not a problem when you can guarantee a tank kill at 2.5 km. New gen CLUs extend that range to 4km
probably NLAW. I haven't seen a single top attack video, so it's probably non-functional.
Definitely Javelin. There’s even a fresh javelin kill thread up on /k/ right now. There’s consistently javelin combat footage threads up but almost never NLAW footage. I have to go with what my eyes tell me
>There’s consistently javelin combat footage threads up but almost never NLAW footage.
That's related to how they're used and at what they excel though anon. You'll always see more footage of any weapon system that's used from relative safety at long range than something used reactively at short range.
Sorry not buying it. There is so little NLAW footage that you can’t just explain that away.
There was TONS of NLAW footage early in the war and only a small handful of Javelin vids. If you think the opposite you have a super limited source.
There was maybe 10 NLAW early on. There’s been 10 javelin this month. The gap is that huge
Stop replying to the warriortard shill moron.
That was you who replied. You couldn’t post the TONs of footage either. It’s nice that there is just so much more javelin footage
For killing tanks- javelin
For taking Instagram photos- javelin, NLAW looks gay as frick with that bell end
>Entire thread of inorganic warriortard posting
Lmao
Javelin
What about YULAW?
He's nobody's b***h
Javelin. But they're not the same class of weapon so the comparing them is rarted.
Different use cases. One's much cheaper and easier to use, the other has a much longer effective range etc. Stop being an infant with these X vs Y threads.
iirc NLAW is better as it's lighter and more numerous
Iirc javelin is better as it has a longer range and more kills
NLAW
>cheaper
>more effective in urban environments
>lighter
>easier to use
Javelin
>much longer effective range
>larger warhead = more effective penetration
>harder to use
>more expensive
>heavier
Both are good. If I had to choose it'd depend on where I was going to be fighting. Large scale urban assaults from the early war? Give me the NLAW any day. The protracted field-to-field fighting we see so frequently now? Give me the Javelin
Javelin simply because engagement distances have been greater and Ukraine has great terrain and view distances for longer ranged weaponry.
Assuming this isn't a shitposting thread.
>What's better a hammer or a screwdriver???
NLAW: Fantastic when fighting armored vehicles at close range and with little time to spare
Javelin: Fantastic when fighting armored vehicles at medium to long range with some prep time
NLAW is perfect for Ukrainians being an all-in-one point-and-click weapon effective at super close range. They reportedly get almost no training so any weapon system like the Javelin which requires managing multiple things including extra logistics (CLU and batteries) and correct positioning is going to be less useful to them. NLAW is just point-and-click vehicle destruction so even a conscript pulled off the street given 2 days of training can be sufficiently trained on using it.
Also the Javelins they got are probably being banked up by some general hoping to sell them for a fat payday after the war. If anyone asks he can just say they’re too hard to use for conscripts and they’re being saved for a critical defensive battle, etc.
>Javelins they got are probably being banked up by some general hoping to sell them for a fat payday after the war. If anyone asks he can just say they’re too hard to use for conscripts and they’re being saved for a critical defensive battle, etc.
May I see a source that backs this up
Both are different weapon systems used for different situations. Your question is faulty.
What's more useful in Ukraine Food or Water?
Water aka javelin
So a year has passed now and they need food other wise they will die, as you said.
So no you need both you stupid frick
The answer is water. You can’t go 2 days without water. Take a standard BMI of like 35%, that person can go nearly a year without food
>that person can go nearly a year without food
Lol no, try less than a month.
>Standard BMI of 35%
What a fat frick kek where is that the USA? Euro average Is 25
They all kill Russians.
90% of the the flag under the NLAW should be blue and yellow.
Idiot
javelin probably fills a gap in their equipment better than nlaw does. they can stand outside of russian range and kill
besides, i have seen bmps get hit by nlaws and still operate so i wonder how effective they are.
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>Another which is better thread
If you're not comparing like with like it just boils down to pointless shit flinging. "Which is better, an M82 Barret, or an MP5?" well it depends on what you're trying to do with it and a whole host of other factors. The Javelin is great for defending a position with great sight lines and where you have other cover to move to quickly. The NLAW is exactly what you want to have in close in engagements (like a city fight) and just as an all purpose 'OH SHIT' weapon for infantry units to carry anywhere that hostile armour is a possible threat.
javelin has the benefit of being paired with a very high-res thermal imaging device that you can just use on its own
They are not comparable weapons. The UK (who of course provided the NLAWs) uses both. Specialised anti tank platoons use Jav in British service. With NLAW issued to all the other infantrymen when their is a good probability they will face armour.
Jav is superior overall. But it is not as easy to use, not as quick to use, is heavy and costs a lot. NLAW is superior to Jav for close range encounters with armour where speed of reaction is critical.
>balanced and sensible viewpoint
Shut up and pick one.
>this
we had a schizo talking about shooting dragons and this MF is having a nuanced points? on the internet?
Since it's a competition id have to go with da havelin homie
But if the tank was closer I'd ditch the havelin chand use da NLAW homie
Habelin is goo but not so goo in urban enbironments
No one here has enough detailed information to have a genuinely informed opinion, nor is such an opinion remotely useful for any practical purpose. OP is asking a teentarded low content no value question. It's a slide thread.
The Javelin is like a real life cheat, the NLAW is not a guaranteed kill.