Where to find weapons when SHTF?

It's very rare in europe for civilians to have weapons but surprisingly from my observations it shouldn't be "that" difficult to procure them if you really wanted to. Most police cars have a safe in the back which has ballistic protection + some sort of rifle/submachine gun. The police stations, especially the small ones, are very low security and have armories inside as well, so you could find some loot there as well. I know there's also whole military depots in most regions/oblasts where there's tons of shit stored for the reserves and those places are barely guarded too, though the security would likely get tighter in times of crisis. I guess the gun ranges could be a decent target too, but what else?

Looking at the Ukrainian volunteer batallions (from both sides) and have easily they were able to procure weapons got me wondering. Also if you got any literature on the technical bits of how these "Warlords" got together their own warbands and equiped them, I would appreaciate if you shared the links.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I guess I'm generally interested in the whole "Warlord" topic, so if you wanna share some thoughts on that as well it would be great.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Foreign intelligence agencies.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those only get involved after the group has been formed and gained some notoriety no?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IIRC Russian glowies basically handed out arms like candy during the Donbass crisis, and the CIA gave arms to various IRA cells to prevent them from seeking out Soviet assistance, so I think it may vary. I don't know though, I'm not a glowie.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russian glowoes did the same during the tulip revolution. Police were ordered to just straight up leave their patrol cars in the street unlocked, thats how the 'protesters' got guns and sieged the federal buildings

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        foreign intelligence is often directly or indirectly responsible for forming these groups in the first place.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's very rare in europe for civilians to have weapons but surprisingly from my observations it shouldn't be "that" difficult to procure them if you really wanted to
    in most countries it take a bit of paperwork a health check up and a clean criminal record.
    It takes less effort to get them legally than to fantasize about getting them during SHTF

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's very rare in europe for civilians to have weapons
    Finland & Austria >30 guns per 100 inhabitants,
    Norway, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Malta & Sweden >25 guns per 100 inhabitants,
    Portugal >20 guns per 100 inhabitants,
    France, Germany, Monaco, Luxemburg, Greece & Italy >15 guns per 100 inhabitants

    WTF are you talking about, Black person?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is, comparatively speaking, rare.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        america is the outlier when it comes to civilian gun ownership, not the other way around

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's also the standard for accessibility and legality, regardless of how far behind the rest of the world is lagging.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those stats aren't what you think they're though. Nowhere does it say that 25 people out of hundred have guns, the number is so high because of hoarders. It's pretty common in europe to have these history-loving types who have 500 old pistols/muskets at home or something. There's also the gun ranges that have dozens/possibly hundreds of guns. You also got the gun nuts who might have several guns and pistols or boomer hunters with bunch of shotguns and rifles that might not even work. The point is that the vast mojority of average people (90-95%) doesn't possess firearms.

      >It's very rare in europe for civilians to have weapons but surprisingly from my observations it shouldn't be "that" difficult to procure them if you really wanted to
      in most countries it take a bit of paperwork a health check up and a clean criminal record.
      It takes less effort to get them legally than to fantasize about getting them during SHTF

      You can still only get your hands on civilian weapons with limited mags and no automatic fire. Also it's not a bit of paperwork, the entire process takes anywhere between 3-6 months and you have to make dozens of trips to your local government buildings and local police stations. And that's only to get a handgun, something like a civilian AR/AK would require even more fricking around and lets not get into the shitload of money required. Guns are expensive as frick in Europe and you're literally going to have to shit up a whole monthly wage just to afford a very basic old Zastava or something.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        probably a handful of hoarders

        >Those stats aren't what you think they're though. Nowhere does it say that 25 people out of hundred have guns, the number is so high because of hoarders.
        I'm one of them, you fricking idiot. But how can you say it's rare if there's virtually a gun owner in every street?

        Would you say cats are rare because not every house in a street has one?

        >You can still only get your hands on civilian weapons with limited mags and no automatic fire.
        You don't need automatic fire to fight effectively.
        Stop trying to do mental gymnastics and do the fricking paperwork you lazy frick.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >civilian weapons
        and what exactly is the difference between a "civilian" AR 15 an a military one?
        >limited mags
        yes, because the military is running around with 100 round drums on their sevice rifles
        >he entire process takes anywhere between 3-6 months
        took me a month.
        >dozens of trips
        one trip to the police station one visit
        > handgun, something like a civilian AR/AK would require even more fricking around
        my hand guns and AR's are on the same license
        >shitload of money required
        the most expensive part if the gun vault, but you'd probably want to get one anyway.
        >Guns are expensive as frick in Europe
        not as frick but yes they are expensive

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        america has a frick ton of gun hoarders too
        half of those 120/100 are going to be in the hands off a few ver enthusiastic people

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you should be happy as frick you can even get a handgun and you should be jumping on top of that shit. why don't you have a gun already cause your a gay or a criminal?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "blaablaablaa every country in the world has same gunlaws as mine because im a stupid homosexual who cant google"

        A gun would save or help YOU in shtf, youre too fricking stupid.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        French here
        Hardest gun laws in europe
        I still own a sig-Manheurin SG-540
        Wherever you are there are avenues to get guns NOWA NOT in americanized end of world scenario
        How do you get guns in end of world?!
        BY HAVING GUN NOW moron!!
        WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU? I will even do the research to find procurement avenue for you behalf

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >French here
          Nice try, but that's not how you write Manurhin. A frog would have known that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fricking go easy on me i just got off work and am 4 drinks in

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Hardest gun laws in europe
          Not true, there are European countries with much harsher laws, like Spain for example.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Hardest gun laws in europe
          Bonjour mon ami. I live in germany and at least most of your gun laws aren't an incoherent mess of shitty contradicting words made up by ignorant politicians who would do anything to completely ban weapons.
          And yet I own an AR15, several other rifles, shotguns and 2 handguns
          OP is a lazy gay

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is it true that in Germany you're not allowed to own crossbows or pump action shotguns, despite AR15s being obtainable? And that it's illegal to attach a light or laser to a firearm?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >crossbows
              Still legal and available at 18y without license. However, crossbows came under fire by lawmakers but to no effect yet. You're supposed to store them in a gunsafe, I think. But nobody does it because the sales of crossbows aren't monitored and hence nobody will perform an inspection at your home.
              >Pump action shotguns
              Legal, just don't put a pistolgrip with no stock on it. That somehow makes them more dangerous according to politicians and therefore those would be illegal. Normal stocked pump action shotguns are available with license. Funnily enough you can put a stockless pistol grip on an automatic shotgun with no repercussions.
              >lights and lasers on guns
              yeah, that's illegal

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks germanon. I'm a wretched leaf so it's always funny to compare our countries' gun law idiosyncrasies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon if you think jumping through bureaucracy and paying more is hard, wait till you have to do something really hard like fricking survive a civilizational collapse.

        If you don't give enough of a shit now, if you're so lazy you'll say "but it's really haaaaaaaard" you were never going to survive anyway.
        Get a fricking rifle you moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can still only get your hands on civilian weapons with limited mags and no automatic fire.
        False for all of Europe
        It's like saying all of the USA is cucked because commiefornia prohibits features and imposes magazine limits on rifles

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can still only get your hands on civilian weapons with limited mags and no automatic fire
        Anon if you were able to put a single round of rifle ammunition into another armed human being I would be shocked. Let's get to that point then complain about not being able to spray 200 rounds at nothing and call it "suppressive fire"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably a handful of hoarders

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hunting weapons aren't actually that rare. It's just that the only place you could run into people carrying them is hunting parties in the woods. If you're a criminal it's just easier to get a black market pistol by having one smuggled quietly than enacting a high-profile robbery of a cop car which would initiate a country-wide manhunt.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm talking about SHTF scenarios, where laws basically don't apply since nobody knows who's in charge type of thing. The Ukrainian/Donetsk volunteers were looting police stations like mad during the entire ordeal.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think you still need a weapon to snowball with. No way they went in there with just baseball bats or something to start with. If I'm an unmotivated police officer that's going to desert my station, I'm stealing some of it for myself instead of letting some homeless guys with sticks take it. But if there's a group of 10 bandits who already have hunting rifles sitting on the rooftops with a megaphone saying they'll open fire if someone tries to contest them for the weapons, then that's way above my third world paygrade and I'm not going in there.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fill whatever the requirements are in your country
    >Buy a gun

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are large amounts of illegal guns floating around in Europe. If you are actually concerned, you should probably befriend a larger drug dealer. He will probably know someone who can get you a solid rifle.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In Scandinavia/Nordics it is normal for reserve/home guard forces to have their weapons at home but with the reciever removed and stored at the army depot or something (before you even kept the reciever and some ammo in case of VDV). Being part of the home guard is quite easy as long as you did your conscription, and there's been times when I have accidentally taken the reciever with me for the HK416. So you're just missing the 5.56 ammo which should be easy to find. It is probably like this in Switzerland too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It is probably like this in Switzerland too.
      Switzerland just keeps the rifle at home, state owned ammo is in the barracks and state subsidized ammo can't be taken from the range but all that is needed to buy non subsidized ammo is a simple background check.
      Fill out form, wait for clean-record OK, buy ammo, same for guns.

      EU/Schengen did frick up the gun classification though so they now got the the unnecessary categories as everyone else.

      Guns are expensive as frick in Europe and you're literally going to have to shit up a whole monthly wage just to afford a very basic old Zastava or something.

      Those stats aren't what you think they're though. Nowhere does it say that 25 people out of hundred have guns, the number is so high because of hoarders. It's pretty common in europe to have these history-loving types who have 500 old pistols/muskets at home or something. There's also the gun ranges that have dozens/possibly hundreds of guns. You also got the gun nuts who might have several guns and pistols or boomer hunters with bunch of shotguns and rifles that might not even work. The point is that the vast mojority of average people (90-95%) doesn't possess firearms.

      [...]
      You can still only get your hands on civilian weapons with limited mags and no automatic fire. Also it's not a bit of paperwork, the entire process takes anywhere between 3-6 months and you have to make dozens of trips to your local government buildings and local police stations. And that's only to get a handgun, something like a civilian AR/AK would require even more fricking around and lets not get into the shitload of money required. Guns are expensive as frick in Europe and you're literally going to have to shit up a whole monthly wage just to afford a very basic old Zastava or something.

      Maybe depends on local taxes, and how shit your income is?
      a cheap new AR should be be available for around €1000

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pussian flag
    Why is this sub just letting zigvats just post their propaganda all of a sudden? What blew up? Or are you just scared of the new Ukrainian super soldier general?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's related to the topic you dilating boomer troony.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the most moronic thing you can do during the SHTF scenario is to paint yourself as a combatant
    you either joining the military force or stay a civie

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd go to my local military conscription and recruitment office and go from there.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When I did my mandatory europoor military service, we had a giant pile of G3s in the guardhouse of the base. Like an actual pile, like of someone had emptied a big box of battle rifles in the corner. This was after they had been (almost) phased out from our military. I have absolutely no idea what the point of that pile was, but would probably be easy to loot in a post-apocalyptic situation.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's very rare in europe for civilians to have weapons
    It's not.
    Especially if you live in a non-cucked country.

    Get a hunter's license if you need one, grab a shotty and a bolt action rifle.
    Serve if you can. Join a reservist group or sports shooter club.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They probably still have the pile if they didn’t just give them to some latin american or african country. G3 rifles are officially used in both to this day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Finland
      >non-cucked
      Zozzle. I mean I also live here and own a dozen guns but we're almost as cucked as it gets.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More cucked than Poland ro Czechia, not nearly as cucked as Germany or the UK

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Having a good bow and knowing how to shoot it well will greatly increase your chance of survival as a noguns. I wouldn't worry too much about guns because you're not going to find a lot of ammo. You need to stock ammo to feed guns.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where to find weapons when SHTF?

    Anything you don't have on day one you won't have. Simple as. You really think the cops and soldiers won't take their stuff with if they're abandoning their posts or destroy it so people like you can get it?

    Get real. Life isn't a video game. Figure out your countries laws to obtain one or make one illegally. Because going to the local drug dealer looking for illegal things is a good way to get your ass kicked in an alley and your money taken, because they know you can't go to the cops about it.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ha-ha! Time to build a potato gun.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Most police cars have a safe in the back which has ballistic protection + some sort of rifle/submachine gun
    There's countries in Europe where squad cars are stuck in depot because the department can't afford repairs, fuel or even tires. And they're also stingy on the ammo budget.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kill a cop get a free gun

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >slava rossiy-AAAAACCCKKKKK!!!

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    buy them from the military or police. If there is no law any more, then there is no law to break and money is all anyone is interested in. There are a lot of spare weapons of all types in Ukraine now, if you and your gang are willing to smuggle them out you can get whatever you want.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pussian path
    I thought they was self organized

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just make a slambang shotty, can even make your own ammo is acquiring it is a problem

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If we're talking about 'without rule of law' then you'll need useful skillsets and/or high value items to trade for weapons. If you have medical experience, or are a welder/mechanic/engineer/etc you'll probably have little trouble linking up with a group that will arm you.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's very rare in europe for civilians to have weapons
    not even that rare.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yuropoor here, get a license and buy one. SHTF will never happen like you imagine it so you're better off buying one yourself and learn how to use it properly, before actually needing one.
    >inb4 getting a gun in my country is too much of an hassle
    it just mean you didn't want one bad enough.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if SHTF and you're not mentally ready for it and realistic about what that actually means you won't make it. 95% of preppers and larpers stand no real chance... oh and if you have a family (women and children) you're fricked

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get them before hand
    Russians flooded the areas they were trying to control with guns since 2014.
    It backfired. That's why the insurgency is controlling massive chunks they hold and the three rebellions keep doing raids.
    I'm guessing I'll get banned and deleted for pointing out that.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you make your own improvised weapon and ambush someone who is armed.
    or you raid a military military unit. they usually have weapons stored.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Offer a guy with a gun a blowjob then when you get secluded you get on your knees and stab him in a zig zag motion on the inside part of his leg.
    I know youre european, so remember youre not ACTUALLY supposed to fellate your neighbor.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how these "Warlords" got together their own warbands and equiped them,
    Basically its always criminal gangs, niche extremist groups and hooligan Ultras who already have some type of a hierarchical organization, violent tendencies and even weapons before the conflict escalates who grab the opportunity and after that they start to attract more "normie" types to join them when shit has hit the fan.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Police Stations is your best guess.
    Then Old Boomber fricks who have Gucci guns for African Hunting and lastly Financial Area where they are likely to have some small handguns in case of Robberies

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