Ukraine is unironically trying to engage in deep battle doctrine RN. The Challengers are being saved for which of these offensives shows a breakthrough.
All the challengers are in the Ukie 82nd air assault division. Ukie air assault, like the VDV it shares heritage with, is a separate arms of the military used as an elite strategic reserve.
Challengers will be used when Ukraine wants to concentrate on a particular objective or during the exploitation phase.
Chally without Chobam is like a troony without a penis. Why even bother?
Ukie challengers have chobam. There have been reports that the Brits have been working with Ukraine to minimise the chance of the being captured. Apparently core to this was that they be used on offensive breakthrough operations where the Brits feel there is less chance of them being cut off and surrounded. It may alternatively mean that the new 'dorchester' armour on Chally 3 is significantly different or that the Brits have just decided a successful Ukie offensive is worth the risk.
I heard that back during the first gen of modern MREs US troops had to heat them by (among other things) stuffing them in a vehicle exhaust. Makes sense that they would be slightly jelly of anyone who had a water heater ready to go at all times.
>tfw lived in bongland for a few years for work and started drinking ridiculous amounts of tea >teeth yellowed a bit despite religious brushing and flossing
Coming for Troitske, probably. Pick related is the Luhansk train network, or lack thereof. Take Troitske, that is the entire front without rail supplies. Push on to the next city in the east, that is the main road taken out of commission as well. Then just put it on a boil and wait for the fall offensive.
It should also be noted that taking out the Troitske trainline does not only cut logistics for the Luhansk front. It cuts the total amount of logistical train lines into the donbas for Russia from 3 to 2, and to the entire front from 4 to 3. Stormshadow the bridge and that is 2 logistical lines. Push the Zap offensive down to Vilne or Bilmak, and you can sever the entire train logistics system in all of west Zaporizna, left bank Kherson and Crimea. My guess is that this combo is the main goal of this offensive; leave Russia in an abysmal position for the fall offensive when there are expected to be 5 or so more foreign batalions, more Leo1's than god, Abrams and a fleet of F16s as well.
there is still a lot of stuff we did not see destroyed... were leos and bradleys simply attacking most heavily defended part of frontline? or rest is waiting for probing attacks to provide answer where to push?
CR2 is the tank element for the Stryker Brigade which is still in reserve along with several others. They'll probably get deployed as part of the secondary push or used as assault guns because HESH loves concrete.
I have no clue why you chose those two models
If you thought I meant 20 models of tanks I didn't, I meant 20 CR2s and I was wrong about that because they're only getting 14 actually
Even if so that's still a miniscule number compared to the amount needed for even the kind of probing attacks we've seen on any useful scale
>I have no clue why you chose those two models
I just picked a random Soviet Union tank and the leopards since the leopards are also a NATO tank given to Ukraine like the Challenger.
there's also rather a few more of them than there are challengers and no small number of vehicles use, using your example, the L7 or U5TS, while only one tank uses the L30 and its two piece ammo
>I have no clue why you chose those two models
I just picked a random Soviet Union tank and the leopards since the leopards are also a NATO tank given to Ukraine like the Challenger.
>it's a death trap >has never been destroyed by enemy fire >u-um it just hasn't seen combat outside of all these times it saw combat
Justify your original claim that it's a death trap then.
>still can't justify his original claim >the limited combat record is true of all western MBTs >has still never been lost to enemy fire
I accept your concession
11 months ago
Anonymous
No the abrams has participated in massive armored assaults to great effect and the leopard is actively pushing in the largest peer war in 80 years. You will never be able to dispute this. The challenger has only seen combat in COIN operations
11 months ago
Anonymous
>invasion of Iraq >COIN >"You will never be able to dispute this"
You're a special kind of moron. Also >still can't justify his original claim
Lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah the challenger has only fought in coin environments while the abrams and leopard have participated in armored assaults
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Battle of Basra >coin
Okay so you're just plainly denying reality now. >still can't justify his original claim
Embarrassing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Battle of Basra wasn’t a big battle and the challengers didn’t really do much there anyway
11 months ago
Anonymous
They saw extensive action during the siege of the city, knocking out Iraqi tanks and supporting infantry. You are coping. And once again >still can't justify his original claim
11 months ago
Anonymous
>t-55s
fricking kek
There’s a reason Ukraine put the challengers in a reserve unit
11 months ago
Anonymous
>shifting the goal posts this late in the conversation >still can't justify his original claim
You're just embarrassing yourself
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you admit it was a battle now and not a COIN operation
11 months ago
Anonymous
No it was a coin operation. Battle of fallujah was also a coin operation
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's because the enemy runs from it, not towards it.
The Abrams, T-90, Leopard and Leclerc have supporters all over the planet each.
But the only people that insist the Challenger isnt a piece of shit are bongs
'roite weahs ey ah? Oil pootem in'ne groun' oi sweah on me mum. a'ways talkin boot minces lie' we on'already know they garglin knobs a' soon as ey' poot on their shite wellies in tha tent
fooks sake daft rahsin coonts avin a laugh peekin on a li'il guy. fahkin cheap melts innit? ey whan note'in ta dew wit a REAL grey' wag champ.
Shhhhhhhhh 🙂
did you just fricking shoosh me
They are still trying to catch up to the Leos
Not committed yet.
Nice try FSB
Ukraine is unironically trying to engage in deep battle doctrine RN. The Challengers are being saved for which of these offensives shows a breakthrough.
how so? they have, like 5 of them
5 is scary if they are behind you with your supplies
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Whats face book?
I dont care what your in, If a 500lbs bomb goes off anywhere near you, no less on top of you its all over!
All the challengers are in the Ukie 82nd air assault division. Ukie air assault, like the VDV it shares heritage with, is a separate arms of the military used as an elite strategic reserve.
Challengers will be used when Ukraine wants to concentrate on a particular objective or during the exploitation phase.
Ukie challengers have chobam. There have been reports that the Brits have been working with Ukraine to minimise the chance of the being captured. Apparently core to this was that they be used on offensive breakthrough operations where the Brits feel there is less chance of them being cut off and surrounded. It may alternatively mean that the new 'dorchester' armour on Chally 3 is significantly different or that the Brits have just decided a successful Ukie offensive is worth the risk.
Then why was nigel saying that the challengers would lead the attack. They didn’t lead the attack
Wouldn't worry about it.
I wouldnt worry about it
They're waiting for the kettle to boil.
>the kettle is boiling
>the tea is steeping
>the biscuits are dunking
>the teabag will be raised and they will know
>the arse is in the arse
>it's ukraine's time to pay the TV license
>Popping out for a cheeky nandos.
>russia still hasn't gotten Gregg's
Are kettles unique to challenger 2s?
it's the only thing worth mentioning
I'd say the bizarre fetish for HESH rounds is also worth mentioning, if only for how weird it is.
Pretty sure most modern tanks have boiling vessels now. Comes from the Iraq war where Challengers were pretty singular in that facet.
I heard that back during the first gen of modern MREs US troops had to heat them by (among other things) stuffing them in a vehicle exhaust. Makes sense that they would be slightly jelly of anyone who had a water heater ready to go at all times.
Even the trucks have kettles. Brits don't have yellow teeth from not brushing them.
>tfw lived in bongland for a few years for work and started drinking ridiculous amounts of tea
>teeth yellowed a bit despite religious brushing and flossing
wouldn't you like to know shoigu
Coming for Troitske, probably. Pick related is the Luhansk train network, or lack thereof. Take Troitske, that is the entire front without rail supplies. Push on to the next city in the east, that is the main road taken out of commission as well. Then just put it on a boil and wait for the fall offensive.
It should also be noted that taking out the Troitske trainline does not only cut logistics for the Luhansk front. It cuts the total amount of logistical train lines into the donbas for Russia from 3 to 2, and to the entire front from 4 to 3. Stormshadow the bridge and that is 2 logistical lines. Push the Zap offensive down to Vilne or Bilmak, and you can sever the entire train logistics system in all of west Zaporizna, left bank Kherson and Crimea. My guess is that this combo is the main goal of this offensive; leave Russia in an abysmal position for the fall offensive when there are expected to be 5 or so more foreign batalions, more Leo1's than god, Abrams and a fleet of F16s as well.
dont worry about it
in the bottom of the nuclear tsunami
>WE NOOK U
Sure you do.
They're slow and generally not useful in modern warfare, the Ukrainians are probably keeping them in reserve.
Chally without Chobam is like a troony without a penis. Why even bother?
Hesh.
Ironically the CR2 with hesh will be the best tank for taking out strong points when they hit the main line of res.
Driving from their start position to the Russian lines. They'll get there, eventually.
there is still a lot of stuff we did not see destroyed... were leos and bradleys simply attacking most heavily defended part of frontline? or rest is waiting for probing attacks to provide answer where to push?
CR2 is the tank element for the Stryker Brigade which is still in reserve along with several others. They'll probably get deployed as part of the secondary push or used as assault guns because HESH loves concrete.
They’re in the rear with the towed artillery and APCs. Be patient
hopefully only being used for training
having like 20 tanks that require their own snowflake ammo was a stupid fricking idea to begin with
Don't the leopards use different use different ammo than the T-62s that Ukraine uses?
I have no clue why you chose those two models
If you thought I meant 20 models of tanks I didn't, I meant 20 CR2s and I was wrong about that because they're only getting 14 actually
I thought they'd received an additional 14 after that?
Even if so that's still a miniscule number compared to the amount needed for even the kind of probing attacks we've seen on any useful scale
there's also rather a few more of them than there are challengers and no small number of vehicles use, using your example, the L7 or U5TS, while only one tank uses the L30 and its two piece ammo
sorry I'm fricking braindead and can't write, obviously only one tank uses the U5TS but there were a lot of T-62s built
>I have no clue why you chose those two models
I just picked a random Soviet Union tank and the leopards since the leopards are also a NATO tank given to Ukraine like the Challenger.
Challengers are a death trap
>Challengers are a death trap
>literally the best combat record of any western MBT
By virtue of not having a combat record.
>missed desert storm
>fought in iraq 2
>placed in a rear echelon unit in ukraine
>the challenger is in the ass
>it's a death trap
>has never been destroyed by enemy fire
>u-um it just hasn't seen combat outside of all these times it saw combat
Justify your original claim that it's a death trap then.
Yeah that’s very little combat. It hasn’t done anything of note. Its combat record isn’t impressive at all. It’s never even seen a T-72
>still can't justify his original claim
>the limited combat record is true of all western MBTs
>has still never been lost to enemy fire
I accept your concession
No the abrams has participated in massive armored assaults to great effect and the leopard is actively pushing in the largest peer war in 80 years. You will never be able to dispute this. The challenger has only seen combat in COIN operations
>invasion of Iraq
>COIN
>"You will never be able to dispute this"
You're a special kind of moron. Also
>still can't justify his original claim
Lmao
Yeah the challenger has only fought in coin environments while the abrams and leopard have participated in armored assaults
>Battle of Basra
>coin
Okay so you're just plainly denying reality now.
>still can't justify his original claim
Embarrassing.
Battle of Basra wasn’t a big battle and the challengers didn’t really do much there anyway
They saw extensive action during the siege of the city, knocking out Iraqi tanks and supporting infantry. You are coping. And once again
>still can't justify his original claim
>t-55s
fricking kek
There’s a reason Ukraine put the challengers in a reserve unit
>shifting the goal posts this late in the conversation
>still can't justify his original claim
You're just embarrassing yourself
So you admit it was a battle now and not a COIN operation
No it was a coin operation. Battle of fallujah was also a coin operation
That's because the enemy runs from it, not towards it.
Underground
I put them in my ass, sorry anon
The Abrams, T-90, Leopard and Leclerc have supporters all over the planet each.
But the only people that insist the Challenger isnt a piece of shit are bongs
Give them time, it takes a long time to get anywhere if you can only go 3mph
You don't see them because they aren't being knocked out like the leopards. Sun never sets, b***hes.
'roite weahs ey ah? Oil pootem in'ne groun' oi sweah on me mum. a'ways talkin boot minces lie' we on'already know they garglin knobs a' soon as ey' poot on their shite wellies in tha tent
fooks sake daft rahsin coonts avin a laugh peekin on a li'il guy. fahkin cheap melts innit? ey whan note'in ta dew wit a REAL grey' wag champ.
shhh