When/why was the stigma about special forces guys not talking about what they do broken?
It used to be that someone might say they were a SEAL or had an uncle who was a Green Beret, but they never talked about what they did. Now we have people like Jocko, Pat Macnamara, Shawn Ryan and lots of others doing podcasts and videos and such talking with other special forces guys about what they did during their service, on top of all the books everyone who was a SEAL seems to write the second they get out of the Navy.
So what gives?
Each special forces command has their own protocols. Delta in particular can't talk about their operations without Permission from the CIA.
>Cause these Black folk do it for supplement deals and as a psyop to boost the abysmal recruiting numbers.
pic related to the resuce!
>I discovered PrepHole in 2004 when I was deployed in Bagram
^i bet you used to post on /misc/ back then too
Cause these Black folk do it for supplement deals and as a psyop to boost the abysmal recruiting numbers.
>BD6 during war/conflict but SF
Unless its straight up third world coup staged by us, most shit told by these famous sf dudes aremt exactly secret squirrel shit
when they realized they could tell stories for money and nobody could expose them for the frauds that they are.
jocko bros?
>Sir, I was an 0311 in Ramadi in 2006 with 3/8 Kilo. I'd like to talk to you about Task Force Bruiser and some of my memories of them. I have taken exception to their branding for awhile. And their portrayal of how they helped "win" Ramadi. I lost 7 of my close friends on that deployment. Four of which were in my squad, including my Plt Sgt. Two more died after Zarqawi was killed in June of that year.
>The area had calmed down for a short period after his demise, to only go back to how it was upon our arrival in country in March. I've worked with them on multiple occasions, and our view of SEALs was drastically skewed following joint ops and other situations.
>I have no desire to be involved in this, but the fact that Jocko, Lief, and several others, including Kyle's "Legacy", have extremely profited, become famous, and portrayed themselves as the "saviors" of Ramadi, when their service was nominal at best, and possibly more detrimental than anything.
>We won Ramadi. 3/8 won Ramadi. The Army armor units won Ramadi. The Army Infantrymen to our east won Ramadi. The translators and MIT teams won Ramadi. 3/8 Sniper Platoon won Ramadi. 3/6, when they took over from us won Ramadi. Task Force Punisher skull had no affect on Ramadi.
>I look forward to hearing back from you, and thank you for telling uncomfortable truths about your fellow SEALs.
>Respectfully,
>/USMC
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What's the verdict here /k/?
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Interesting. The truth is usually more boring and somewhere in the middle. Stop idolizing people they will always let you down. That being said, I think that Jocko had earned his stripes and obviously even just by looking at him, can tell he is a hard man.
Has he made mistakes? Heck ya. Has he gotten some of his men killed? Idk probably.
Is he friends with some drug dealers? probably as well, most freaking SEALs are roided up gearheads with a penchant for masochism and murder.
The question is, would you operate with him?
I would operate with him over sour grapes boomer any day.
What do you think Jocko is?
you mean sadism btw
Both.
Sure. I’m no operator but if I was one I’d still let him lead me. He’s not the kind of person(I don’t think) to intentionally get his guys killed. But obviously I’d be a little wary that he may not value my life as much as it should be, but that’s par for the course. If you’re boots on the ground doing ops….youre expendable. No ifs ands or butts. It’s quite literally what you signed up for.
He's right. SEALs don't win battles. Rank and file infantry, armor, and artillery guys do. There is a reason Schwarzkopf felt that SOF types didn't add enough value to be prioritized. He, correctly, believed that large formations working together were what ultimately won battles.
I'm not watching all that but that thumb-headed self-help homosexual definitely did everything he's accused of
I've read three books about Ramadi, and yeah the SEALs didn't do jack, it was the marines and soldiers on the ground
Styks probably
He became pretty fricking famous in honk Kong writing about it getting into harder shit than any modern SF gay.
How can so many people fall for a GREEN JUICE salesman?
Part of it was Soldier of Fortune and all the SF wanking in it but the start of it was probably Chris Ryan. Obviously Bravo Two Zero was actually a pretty factual book afaik not ghostwritten warlus cum like Lone Survivor but it lead to every SAS soldier current or former rushing for a book deal (and having catty teenage girl fights about it like the shit with Sassengo which is a saga on its own). Eventually in the 2000s the MOD cracked down on it so hard that now that even the SAS's Belgian Malinois their faces covered by black bars in photos.
The clout chasing spread to US SF with the Seals being especially book deal/podcast happy. Not really sure why the DOD hadn't done as good a job gagging them from "writing" books.
>Bravo Two Zero
I meant The One That Got Away. Bravo Two Zero was Andy McNab not the irradiated feral ghoul Chris Ryan.
>Not really sure why the DOD hadn't done as good a job gagging them from "writing" books.
because the 'brand' is seen as a useful recruiting & pr tool
This. Most SEAL operations iirc are not actually all that classified. Even the ones that were at the time like Bib Laden raid…what harm is there talking about it after the fact? Not much. The people the DoD puts a gag on real tight are those like Edward Snowden, Chelsea(trans dude forget his real name) Manning, etc. that have access to real logistics.
>why hasn't DoD stopped them
It's good for recruiting and propaganda. The Pentagon made sure Lone Survivor and Zero Dark Thirty movies got made the way they want
>When/why was the stigma about special forces guys not talking about what they do broken?
to make money off books and podcasts so they can avoid getting a regular job
The military decided that they didn't know anything important and the propaganda value of letting them talk outweighed the security risks. That's why the people writing books are always snipers and never submarine captains.
>When/why was the stigma about special forces guys not talking about what they do broken?
I cannot discuss that and even if I could I would just state that such a thing was unknown to me.
>taliban take over afghanistan? GOOD
because america became much more culturally militaristic after 9/11 and started fellating SF guys even more, so there were lucrative book/media opportunities for vets.
ezpz
I thought it may be CoD, but just looking at the background of main characters in action movies from 1980s and 2010s actually shows that there were more SF guys as main characters in the 1980s than in 2010s. I guess it must be YouTube and social media.
List for anyone interested (generative AI made, so obviously not perfect):
>1980s:
>Ellen Ripley - Aliens - Lieutenant First Class
>John Matrix - Commando - Former Delta Force Operator
>John Rambo - First Blood - Former Green Beret
>John McClane - Die Hard - NYPD Detective
>Martin Riggs - Lethal Weapon - LAPD Sergeant, Former Special Forces
>Indiana Jones - Raiders of the Lost Ark - Archaeologist, OSS Colonel
>James Bond - For Your Eyes Only - MI6 Agent
>Sarah Connor - The Terminator - Waitress, Resistance Fighter
>Mad Max - Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior - MFP Officer
>Snake Plissken - Escape from New York - Former Special Forces Soldier
>Dutch - Predator - Major, Special Forces Commando
>Rocky Balboa - Rocky III - Professional Boxer
>Conan - Conan the Barbarian - Warrior
>Kyle Reese - The Terminator - Soldier, Resistance Fighter
>Tony Montana - Scarface - Drug Lord
>Alex Murphy/RoboCop - RoboCop - Police Officer
>Jack Burton - Big Trouble in Little China - Truck Driver
>Casey Ryback - Under Siege - Former Navy SEAL
>Frank Dux - Bloodsport - Martial Artist
>Dalton - Road House - Professional Bouncer, Philosopher
>Cobra - Cobra - LAPD Lieutenant
>Maverick - Top Gun - Naval Aviator
>Axel Foley - Beverly Hills Cop - Detroit Police Detective
>Harry Tasker - True Lies - Secret Agent
>Stanley Goodspeed - The Rock - FBI Chemical Weapons Specialist
>Jack Ryan - The Hunt for Red October - CIA Analyst
>Gibson Rickenbacker - Cyborg - Slinger (Post-apocalyptic Mercenary)
>Thomas Highway - Heartbreak Ridge - Gunnery Sergeant, USMC
>Ben Richards - The Running Man - Police Helicopter Pilot
>Jericho “Action” Jackson - Action Jackson - Police Sergeant
>Chance Boudreaux - Hard Target - Merchant Marine
>1980s cont
>John Spartan - Demolition Man - Police Officer
>Marion Cobretti - Cobra - LAPD Lieutenant
>Frank Murphy - Blue Thunder - LAPD Pilot
>Nick Parker - Blind Fury - Vietnam War Veteran
>Remo Williams - Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins - Police Officer
>Paul Kersey - Death Wish II - Architect, Vigilante
>Bryan Mills - Taken - Former CIA Operative
>Jack Slater - Last Action Hero - LAPD Detective
>Scott McCoy - The Delta Force - Delta Force Operator
>Chris Kenner - Showdown in Little Tokyo - LAPD Detective
>Matt Hunter - Invasion U.S.A. - Former CIA Agent
>John Kreese - The Karate Kid - Karate Instructor
>Jefferson “Seagal” Cole - Above the Law - CIA Agent
>Frank Leone - Lock Up - Mechanic
>Lincoln Hawk - Over the Top - Truck Driver, Arm Wrestler
>Colt - Three Ninjas - Ninja
>Billy Tepper - Toy Soldiers - High School Student
>Jack Caine - Dark Angel - Houston Police Detective
>Luc Deveraux - Universal Soldier - GR44, Enhanced Soldier
>2010s
>John Wick - John Wick - Ex-Hitman
>Max Rockatansky - Mad Max: Fury Road - Road Warrior, Former MFP Officer
>Peter Quill/Star-Lord - Guardians of the Galaxy - Interstellar Adventurer, Former Pilot
>Wade Wilson/Deadpool - Deadpool - Mercenary
>Rama - The Raid: Redemption - Police Officer, S.W.A.T. Team Member
>Judge Dredd - Dredd - Street Judge
>Logan/Wolverine - Logan - Former X-Men Member
>William Cage - Edge of Tomorrow - Public Affairs Officer, Soldier
>Ethan Hunt - Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol - IMF Agent
>Dominic Toretto - Fast Five - Professional Criminal, Street Racer
>Arthur Bishop - The Mechanic - Hitman
>Frank Martin - The Transporter Refueled - Professional Courier, Former Special Forces
>Bryan Mills - Taken 2 - Former CIA Operative
>Barney Ross - The Expendables 2 - Mercenary, Leader of The Expendables
>Luke Hobbs - Fast & Furious 6 - DSS Agent
>Owen Shaw - Fast & Furious 6 - Mercenary, Former SAS Major
>James Bond - Skyfall - MI6 Agent
>Katniss Everdeen - The Hunger Games - Tribute, Rebellion Symbol
>Thor - Thor - Asgardian Warrior, Avenger
>Tony Stark/Iron Man - Iron Man 3 - Industrialist, Inventor, Avenger
>Steve Rogers/Captain America - Captain America: The Winter Soldier - Super Soldier, Avenger
>Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow - The Avengers - Spy, Avenger
>T’Challa/Black Panther - Black Panther - King of Wakanda, Superhero
>Jason Bourne - Jason Bourne - Former CIA Assassin
>Lorraine Broughton - Atomic Blonde - MI6 Agent
>Imperator Furiosa - Mad Max: Fury Road - War Captain, Rebel
>Harry Hart/Galahad - Kingsman: The Secret Service - Kingsman Agent
>Eggsy - Kingsman: The Secret Service - Kingsman Agent
>Deckard Shaw - Furious 7 - Mercenary, Former British Special Forces
>Ahmanet - The Mummy - Ancient Egyptian Princess, Mummy
>Diana Prince/Wonder Woman - Wonder Woman - Amazonian Warrior, Superhero
>Scott Lang/Ant-Man - Ant-Man - Thief, Superhero
>Dr. Stephen Strange - Doctor Strange - Sorcerer, Former Surgeon
>CIA Agent Bill Pope - Criminal - CIA Agent
>Christian Wolff - The Accountant - Forensic Accountant, Assassin
>Quan Ngoc Minh - The Foreigner - Business Owner, Former Vietnam War Special Forces
>Jack Reacher - Jack Reacher - Former Military Police Major
>Lee Gates - Money Monster - TV Host, Financial Advisor
>Lincoln Six Echo - Gemini Man - Government Assassin
>Major Mira Killian - Ghost in the Shell - Cyborg, Counter-Terrorism Operative
>Adonis Creed - Creed - Professional Boxer
>Leo Barnes - The Purge: Election Year - Security Chief, Former Police Sergeant
>Robert McCall - The Equalizer - Former Marine, DIA Officer
>Alejandro Gillick - Sicario - Hitman, Former Prosecutor
>Cade Yeager - Transformers: Age of Extinction - Inventor, Mechanic
>Mark Watney - The Martian - Astronaut, Botanist
>Olympia - The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 - Tribute, Rebellion Symbol
(removed last 3 bc space)
To be fair for the modern ones there's more military movies in 1980's list than the 2010's. Though I have noticed that recent movies usually have it to where only the spec ops guys are the most dangerous beings and everyone else is just generic goons. Like John Wick is hinted at being former a SF member and everyone besides a handful of people ever get near his level.
SEALs became fame hungry money chasing prostitutes. They pumped out book after book filled with bullshit and lies.
They also killed a special forces soldier when he found out they were embezzling $120k, and also stole around $30K when they rescued Capt Phillips.
"Oh thats bullshit!" - why would the latest author who claimed to kill Bin Ladin leave the military after 16 years with no pension? All he had to do was stick it out another 4 years and he would be getting $34,500 a year for the rest of his life plus medical insurance in exchange for nothing
I was a Navy SEAL.
Me and my team did some awful shit in our deployments...
May God have mercy on us all.
If you were you wouldn't be posting on /k/.
I know it's hard to believe but a lot of SF guys have grown up with the internet culture at it's peak.
I discovered PrepHole in 2004 when I was deployed in Bagram.
how would you achieve a frogman or mini-submarine insertion into Kandahar?
Also in a non joke question did you do any language training or would you just take a terp with you everywhere?
Do you guys still do undersea warfare, harbor assault and spying on submarines?
DJI junk from china does that now, sry
Special forces have gotten a recent boost in popularity, especially with Hollywood. My guess is that it's some kind of stealth recruitment thing where they only talk about generic missions that don't hold any significance if made public. COD for example went from having the main characters be special forces and the multiplayer characters being generic soldiers to every single character being from a different spec ops unit no matter how unimportant he or she is. Then there's movies which went from the generic soldier's to super special ops. Even the CIA has that brownoid gushing on how elite everything is despite not knowing how big the Earth is. If it's not a stealth recruitment thing then it's probably just wannabe Jocko's who see how popular these other special warfare guys are getting so they just pick whatever won't get them court-martialed for spilling.
SEALs don't do the actual top secret stuff, they are just advanced military SWAT teams
When spec ops changed from "we had to go into a country we weren't supposed to be in to kill Spetsnaz dudes who weren't supposed to be there either" to "we get on helicopters at sundown and have nightly raids which are basically high stakes shoothouses while conventional forces cordon off the area for us to play".
What he said
>When spec ops changed from "we had to go into a country we weren't supposed to be in to kill Spetsnaz dudes who weren't supposed to be there either
That still exists but the Seals obviously don't do it.
I've never really heard Jocko tell stories of his deployment besides when he was trying to teach lessons. And Pat Mac is very tight lipped about what he did in Delta, almost impossible to find any stories he's told.
What Jocko has done that is of paramount importance is interview the MACV-SOG guys, which you'd think /k/ would be all over. Once upon a time /k/ would have been fighting each other to suck Jocko's dick for giving the SOG guys a platform to tell their stories before they pass away, on you have gays like OP shitting up the board
Uncomfortable? Good.
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Money. Who can blame them? Government pays shit and if you can monetize your experiences, why not?