>When Russia invaded Ukraine, the U.S. rushed to offer Kyiv material assistance. A substantial portion of the assistance: 700 Switchblade drones.
>The Switchblade appeared early in the conflict. The first report of the drone’s use emerged in May 2022, when a Switchblade 300 was used to target a bunker in Kharkiv Oblast. But Ukraine’s use of the drone subsided as Russian air defense and electronic warfare systems improved. One report suggested that Ukraine is losing 10,000 drones of multiple makes per month, on account of Russian electronic-warfare systems that send fake signals to interfere with drone navigation.
>In April 2023, the U.S. Army decided not to buy more Switchblade 300s. The decision is likely based in part on the drone’s poor performance in Ukraine against Russian tanks and artillery. The drone’s cost was higher than expected, too, coming in around $90,000 per unit. The cash-strapped Ukrainians, unsurprisingly, preferred to use commercial drones equipped with cheaper explosives, which cost around $700 or less.
I didn't know they were so expensive, almost the cost of a Javelin missile. For the price of 1 switchblade suicide drone you could buy more than 1000 DJI/FPV quadcopter drones strapped with explosives, no wonder they vanished from the battlefield of Ukraine:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/switchblade-what-ever-happened-ukraines-kamikaze-drone-210254
Russia cannot into effective warfare, period
What in the fucj was he thinking? If I had no ammunition left, I would have put my arms up and surrender. If they kill me after I surrender, it's a war crime they recorded.
You can't surrender to a drone
Why not?
>throw down your gun, put your hands in the air and surrender to the drone
>...
>now what?
Nobody is there to accept your surrender and claim you as a POW, therefore they have no obligation to accept your surrender
Sure you can, there's precedent. The Iraqis did in the Gulf War.
You can, but like any other time you try to surrender, the other guy has no obligation to accept it.
we literally have video of russian soldier successfully surrendering to a drone from early on.
That's cool and all but there's no obligation by the operator to spare his life
>but there's no obligation by the operator to spare his life
there really should be. watching someone surrender and basically pray for mercy then exploding them is incredibly immoral, demonizing the soldiers doesn't make it less immoral.
Frick you westoid people will hate you either way. It’s why Russia and China are the future. Your “morality” doesn’t matter because the world has seen through your act. You’d probably capture them and gang rape them like you did to Afghanis.
I think the russiods fricked up with the sneeds
Well that's great and all but with nobody there to claim him as a POW, who cares?
That was a lot of words to say something completely irrelevant
What country are you from?
All Russians (including their women and children) should be killed.
Well you don't have to oblige anything, its up to them
Unarmed isn't someone who's ceased to be a combatant, they have to clearly indicate surrender and playing dead isn't indicating surrender either. If I bopped around the BMP carcass and a sketchy looking homosexual in sunglasses was obviously playing dead, draw a bead on him. He can either surrender immediately in two fricking seconds or he's getting zipped up with two in the chest and one in the dome. You don't get any longer than that, shit if he even flinched funny he'd be dead in one second.
Now that is his dilemma with the drone
>Do you figure out in the 20-30 seconds, ah this gig is up?
>Or do you continue to frick around even longer?
He chose to frick around even longer and got his throat ripped out by a grenade, this was a very poor lifestyle choice as was going to Ukraine and led to him being very fricking dead, probably painfully over a period of 2-3 minutes.
Wars and its impact on people's psyche is something I don't really understand even after a lot of deployments, the viewing public seems to consider it a fair sport and full of all manner of glamorous ideals about honour and fighting the good fight. Its not, the drone-op is just a dude doing his job getting rid of all enemy invaders in his zone of control, just like if I was on patrol and found sketchy sunnies on, lazing about next to a BMP- you're a fricking target, we don't even consider you a human being until you're either dead, or have surrendered, been checked for weapons and secured sufficiently.
When you go to war, you're probably going to kill a lot of people and you know. Frick em, they want to fight then come on in. Otherwise, stay the frick out, shut your wiener holster and go back to playing video games
yea and it was a massive logistical faf that involved relaying between multiple drones to slowly kite the VIP to a secure area
You can't surrender when there's no one around to surrender to, you dunce. That's like claiming that a barrack full of mobiks is not a legitimate target just because Russians are scared shitless of arming them before the dispatch.
He's most likely a 15-18 Russian conscript from the Yakut, Siberia areas on the end of his year who never saw the front before.
Russians take the ditch diggers, road builders, guards, logistic kids on the very end of their year and Toss them into the front as targets.
The officers get rewarded. If the kid dies which is most of the time Putin doesn't have to pay them. If he survives they keep moving him forward until he dies.
Little villages out in those regions are bleeding men off. 500-2000 poo people towns have lost half their men.
The really sad part is the Russians list them as deserters so their families think they are traitors. 200,000 Russians were "missing" 8 months ago and the families can't find them and that's on top of the actual listed "kias and captured"
Putin has offered Africans, indians and Arabs huge chunks of land usage rights in those little towns. So no white men, and a bunch of Russian girls and Indian/Arab and African men
You do the math
Proofs?
B-but Global South Media told me Putin was the savior of the white race!
>poo people towns
https://lieber.westpoint.edu/legal-practical-challenges-surrender-drones/
READ homie, READ!
Woah
Crazy article, man
But what about it discusses the obligation Ukrainian drones have to accept the surrender of Russians?
If you had read it, you'd know. It details the arguments pretty well, including the feasibility of capture and control as an aspect of surrender, or under what circumstances one would be considered a non-combatant, or to have surrendered and thus gain a protected status. The fact that you're piloting a drone, or even whether you are armed or unarmed, isn't a decisive factor as to whether you must accept a surrender. It's much more circumstantial than simply "I am killing you remotely, and so don't have to take POWs", or "Taking you prisoner would be really inconvenient, so we'll just kill you instead". At the very least, there's plenty of room for legal debate to be had, and no clear-cut answer outside of situational context on what action is legal or not. There are certainly cases in which one would be legally obligated to accept a surrender, drone or not. There are examples we can draw from, in this war and in previous conflicts, of combatants surrendering to drones, or vehicles, with similar complications as you would presume here. Then again, I also wouldn't necessarily use the US as a good litmus for "caselaw" of the rules of war, considering we don't recognize any other authority but ourselves, and would never allow a foreign authority to try one of our own for war crimes.
That's a lot of words to say, "the article doesn't say drones have to accept surrenders"
You would know what the article says, if you had read it. I could give you a more brief summary if I thought you were actually interested in the question and surrounding debate, rather than just being a perpetually-online contrarian shit-flinger. For you, no spoon feeding, read the article. Give your noodle a much needed workout.
That's a lot of seethe to repeat the fact that drones, like any other soldier, aren't obligated to accept a surrender. The article doesn't even dispute this fact but instead opines about whether drones can even accept one at all, so I would really suggest you get out a dictionary next time you're reading something above the 2nd grade level since you seem to be incapable of understanding the big words being used.
How many generations of related parents does it take to produce someone like you with such poor reading comprehension?
That sounds like quitter talk
Surely if the article said anything about drones having to accept surrenders you would be able to point it out with ease, but since it doesn't you're hiding behind platitudes of "debate" for something irrelevant to the original premise in order to disguise the fact that you know it doesn't say anything about that.
>You're not spoon-feeding me like a baby
>Therefore pee pee poo poo!
So anyway, frick ya mudda
Oh nice you're a frick ya mudda newbie, that explains everything
Did you know if you put your hands up, a P-47 isn't legally allowed to shoot you?
Ukraine never signed the Geneva convention or those laws. The former ussr Ukraine did. Your entire point falls apart.
Ooops
That doesn't even matter because the entire "Special Military Operation" including the Russian takeover of Crimea a decade ago both violate Ukrainian sovereignty which the Russian Federation signed that it would not do in exchange for the nuclear arsenal of the former Ukraine SSR. So any vatnik concern troll post spouting "war crime" or any other similar retching should be automatically disregarded and reported.
What do you think war is, but violating the sovereignty of another? If you want to claim to be the "good guys", maybe you should act like them, or at least express a modicum of intellectual honesty in admitting that there are no good guys or bad guys, and you just get your rocks off to seeing people die online under cruel and inhumane circumstances. Oh wait, that's exactly what you're here for kek.
I don't give a shit about that I'm just saying anyone promoting fairness for the Russian Federation has no ground to philosophically stand on and should be disregarded. I make no claim to "good guys", (nice projection, straight out of the Muscovite swamp book), but considering the culture of vranyo for the Muscovites, I don't see why there is any obligation for anyone to give them any benefit of the doubt considering they are obviously the aggressors in this conflict. (Also you could argue the concept of vranyo is antithetical to human civilization entirely and should be eradicated from any "culture" that tries to propagate such a subject.)
Muscovites have been nasty and subhuman for most of their existence while perrenially crying foul and acting like a victim. They deserve no mercy. You may quote this post as "proofs" of my "russphobia", as your scum are want to do.
>I don't give a shit about that I'm just saying anyone promoting fairness for the Russian Federation has no ground to philosophically stand on and should be disregarded.
I'm not talking about "fair". Fair matters in sports, and nowhere else. I'm not even talking about legality, given that the basis of legality of actions taken in war being necessarily predicated upon an authority's ability to enforce its law through violence. Things should not have to be fair, or illegal, in order for you to be able to discern right from wrong, and to do the right thing, even when no-one is looking. Black folk need those threats as an incentive to not do crime, not actually good, upstanding people.
>I make no claim to "good guys", (nice projection, straight out of the Muscovite swamp book), but considering the culture of vranyo for the Muscovites, I don't see why there is any obligation for anyone to give them any benefit of the doubt considering they are obviously the aggressors in this conflict. (Also you could argue the concept of vranyo is antithetical to human civilization entirely and should be eradicated from any "culture" that tries to propagate such a subject.)
>Muscovites have been nasty and subhuman for most of their existence while perrenially crying foul and acting like a victim. They deserve no mercy. You may quote this post as "proofs" of my "russphobia", as your scum are want to do.
Please, spend less time on Misc. You're reaching almost incomprehensible levels of internet-brain and it's becoming hard to parse meaning from schizo-ramblings. I don't care about the culture war bullshit. I don't care about Russia, or Ukraine, and this war will be a footnote in a decade. Not every discussion warrants a hyper-contrarian Aspergers attack, not everyone that explores a different perspective from the hivemind is a glowie, bot or shill. I hate nü-/k/ like you wouldn't believe, because it's more like Reddit every day, and this is part of why.
>Please, spend less time on Misc. You're reaching almost incomprehensible levels of internet-brain and it's becoming hard to parse meaning from schizo-ramblings
I haven't been on /misc/ since 2012 you stupid double-linebreaking projecting asshat.
>nu-/k/
>invoking outside sites
The literal mark of the tourist, frick off.
Why would a human being take a side of home burglars?
perhaps the being in question is subhuman
The US used the same trick, yet a crime is a crime whether you agreed to follow the law or not. Whether you'll realistically be held accountable is another matter. I'm sure Germany very much disagreed with the authorities at Nuremberg, too, yet they lost, and so were made accountable. An international law's validity isn't predicated upon agreement or recognition; it's almost entirely, and practically, based upon whether the relevant legal authority has the power of violence to enforce its law. Because no nation can challenge the US' power of violence, they don't hold legal authority over it, but legal authority is only one part of the question, and rules of war are largely measures of morality, meant to keep actions like genocide in check moreso than something any individual soldier would be subject to. Remember, the good guys have always won, and committed no crimes along the way.
Black person. As the morons say, facts don't care about your feelings. Allowing surrenders to drones isn't a Ius Cogens law. Read something before spouting shit online. The VCLT is free to read.
Drones as a method aren't relevant, moron. The fact that you're remotely piloting a bomb doesn't exclude an otherwise valid and legally obliging surrender, separate from the Ukraine war. Please rub your two braincells together before commenting again.
>If they kill me after I surrender, it's a war crime they recorded
UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY
wouldnt shooting it be a better option than throwing his gun at it? at the very least it wouldnt be as embarassing if he didnt think to run away first before shooting it
Russians and Ukrainians to be fair, live in a 4th world c**t that is stuck in the Soviet era 50's. Modern warfare circa 1980 is absolutely alien to them and the Ukes atleast have a handful of Western advisors to lecture them on it unlike the Russians who get thrown in the meat grinder from their dirt paved road towns with no plumbing
Ukrainian warriors CAN make drones that are cheap & effective, westoid Black person
The joke is the russian, not the ukrainian killing him, moron.
Drafted 14 year old dragged screaming from their grandparents aren’t “warriors” they’re children genocidal /k/tard
Best comment. Wrong tool for the job, the US was providing what aid they could rush out at the time
Grim but yeah
Because of how internal in the US economy it is it and the fact the US can rip money from thin air it doesn’t matter a ton. The military industrial complex and all of the armed forces are basically a jobs program
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The absolute state of ziggers.
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Pics?
Cuckblades are a scam, I remember seeing a video where one hits directly a group of like 4 Russians huddled together and they all survived and ran away.
>$90k for just a 40mm warhead
Lmao
I believe "onen unit" implies a control panel that comes with a small pack of those drones, so it's not THAT bad. But it's still bad, yeah.
Care to post it?
The switchblade was originally designed to kill cave people wearing at most sandals not helmets and body armor.
The switchblade was designed to steal tax dollars with killing cave people being a mere byproduct.
>Survived because they could run
Yeah, you're moronic.
>all survived and ran away
If the videos from this war have taught me anything is that adrenaline can get you going for quite a while, even when filled with shrapnel and lead, before you just drop dead.
But in no fricking way is a fricking 40mm warhead drone worth 90K. I bet Ukrainians have set up entire drone manufacturing workshops for less than that.
Russia paid $200,000 for each Shahed they bought in 2023 and they paid with their own gold reserves
So for the price of 2 Switchblades you can get 1 Shahed that can strike targets up to 2000km (literally cruise missile range for 1/5 the cost). Can you do the same with 2 switchblades?
The critical difference is that Russia paid gold to foreigners, while America printed credit and gave it to an American corporation.
>literally cruise missile range
Because that's what it is, a glorifed inaccurate cruise missile with a shit warhead and low speed. 1/5th the cost, for less than 1/10th the effectiveness of a proper cruise missile.
> ukie rocks his 50cal on technical
Nothing personal, sneed
I being from ohio and bookeeper by business am also concerned about funds from my home oblast being misappropriated by duma and will be voting trump thusly
Ukraine wasn't invaded on Trump's watch. Replacing him with Biden was as insulting as it was stupid.
>Verification not required.
Yeah.
>Ukraine wasn't invaded on Trump's watch
Correct, it was invaded on Obama's watch
They traded some jet fighters for them.
>we won't shot our own planes down, if we sell them to Iran, and a country without navy can't sink our ships, if we sell them to India
This is how I can tell that russia is winning lol
I refuse to believe this, but every single time I refuse to believe anything with this conflict, the Russians find a way to exceed expectations.
Source?
iirc some documents were published after a hack
>$200,000 for each Shahed they bought in 2023
Early batches of 2022 were even more expensive.
Source?
Not him but its pretty easy to find if you into engrish
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/07/russia-paid-billions-gold-bullion-shahed-drones-ukraine-war/
Shesneeds are pretty expensive
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-paid-iran-drones-140m-cash-western-weapons-sky-news-2022-11
It was like 15-18 months ago...
The first pay was in cash and captured javelins/nlaws.
Russia brought more and afterwards did another deal for more drones and assemble-build more in Abaduga
>The 200k figures came from there but iran ask more for less quantity. It could be related to iranians operating them during the first months.
They were rush ordered. It was around 2 million a drone when everything was included.
Now the rate is listed around 200000, it's around 1-1.25 million when you go through payment transfers, transporting them, loading them up and firing
Americans include all the cost in the price. Russians only include the actual cost of the unit to buy but nothing with transportation, auditing, storage, usage cost.
Last time they were this bad about lying about cost was 1986.
I sadly studied military equipment costs versus real cost for a job.
Chinese are the worst about it and generally just take 80-90% of cost for the leaders, so you end up with a 4 trillion dollar 20 year program that's producing 2 "flyable" low visibility not stealth j 20s a month
Russia in general 50% is just stolen. The real cost of the drone is around 150-200 k with all include expenses but everything takes a chunk as it is moved to place to place.
It's almost like MIC is a scam regardless of country.
infricking sane. don't these things cost like $20-30k to produce?
you'd thing iranians would help their BRICS contemporaries and not israelite them out of their savings
>
This was 33 years ago. 95% of the aircrafts involved have been scrapped, 5% should have been scrapped but are kept alive because lack of industry to replace them and 100% of the people involved are retired or near retirement. You might as well post a video from world war 2.
>95% of the aircrafts involved have been scrapped, 5% should have been scrapped but are kept alive because lack of industry to replace them and 100% of the people involved are retired or near retirement.
sure.
But enough about Russia's BBC air farce, let me tell you about the F-35 and B-21. . . .
Once again we have this recurring theme of morons going
>wow weapon designed for fricking low collateral whacking of hadjis by SOF doesn't work in a high intensity conflict
and acting as if this is shocking. They're also trying to relate FPVs being knocked out by EWAR with Switchblades, when, if a Switchblade loses signal with a target selected it'll just continue onto its target. And yes, no shit a fricking APERS warhead is going to do poorly against tanks and artillery. Shocking. The Army stopped buying them because they've got a lot of them and little use for them, I'm sure some moron high up thought they might be great in a high intensity conflict but that was never their intended use-case, the numbers bought reflect that, always sitting in the 500 range.
Aerovironment shit is always overpriced but even then it's not 90k, in 2022 and 2023 the unit prices were $58,063 and $52,914 respectively, this is public information.
Also, surprise surprise, the gobmint isn't as moronic as people think (despite their best attempts to be) and the army is looking at something deployable at grunt level
>https://sam.gov/opp/70c131e7549941e18b5b3eca8728c618/view
>The conflict in Ukraine has clearly demonstrated the ability of unmanned systems at increasingly lower echelons of employment to be highly effective in different roles from intelligence gathering, reconnaissance, and strike actions by both partners and potential near peer adversaries.
>The Army is looking to develop knowledge of innovative ways to employ lethal and non-lethal effects delivery capabilities from unmanned aerial systems (UAS) from the Brigade Combat Team to the squad Level.
TLDR journalist is being a journalist again despite there being really interesting shit about the topic they could write about.
Even CAG uses DJI drones instead of the stupid switchblade: https://files.catbox.moe/pfmvu4.mp4
>uses a quadcopter when dealing with people one floor underneath you
wow, shocking, who would've thought that they wouldn't use a drone with fixed wings designed for long ranged strikes against a target right next to them in a confined space. I'm baffled by this.
>wow, shocking, who would've thought that they wouldn't use a drone with fixed wings designed for long ranged strikes against a target right next to them in a confined space. I'm baffled by this.
Such desperate cope. The range of a hand launched drone is 10-15 km and larger bomb droppers go 30-40 km and they are reuseable. As the great American author Mark Twain said, its harder to convince a man that he has been swindled that it is to swindle him.
Hes fricking right though dumbass
This is clearly during the liberation of mosul around 2015/16.
Why is America always so ahead of the curve bros?
Isis and Iraqi coalition were the first to use commercial quadcopters in combat. During the battle of Mosul. I also had this revelation about 6 months ago.
it doesnt work in the intended role either, because it cant search for targets on its own. it needs a spotter drone to spot a target, then the switchblade has to be launched and then the target has to stay still for the 3-7 minutes the switchblades needs to get to the target, which obviously will not be the case very often.
What are you talking about? The Switchblade has decent loiter time, obviously it doesn't have infinite loiter time and can't stay there forever, but knowing the general position of the target you can absolutely conduct recon with the Switchblade. Are you complaining that it doesn't have enough endurance to fly around all day? In any case SOF can use it just fine since they have support assets in place that can locate the target, it's used to hit targets at long range or targets in thin-skinned vehicles.
>decent loiter time
10 minutes... and it flies 1.5 km per minute, which means if your target is 6 km away you need 4 minutes to get there and have 6 minutes of loitering left over the target area. if your target is a moving ural truck or uaz, youre not getting it with a switchblade. if your target is an officer, he will have wandered away by then. so how do you even hit anything with a switchblade?
>wow weapon designed for fricking low collateral whacking of hadjis by SOF doesn't work in a high intensity conflict
That's not what Switchblade was designed for. It's a cope weapon coping with the fact that American artillery is a joke that regressed below its own WW2 competence level.
Whereas a recon unit of a real military can spot an enemy, ping its position on a tablet, and have accurate mortar/howitzer fire landing there within seconds, an American recon unit would have to wait hours for the kill chain to go through because software like GIS Arta of the ukies is alien magic to the American MIC. So instead of doing that, they're supposed to pull out a Swithcblade from a backpack and be their own artillery. Except it's early-Lancet-tier shit.
lmfao, just stfu already ahagaha
>That's not what Switchblade was designed for. It's a cope weapon coping with the fact that American artillery is a joke that regressed below its own WW2 competence level.
You fricking moron, the Switchblade was literally designed because an Afghan immigrant to the U.S. saw a child wander out of a doorway and get accidentally killed in a strike, and decided to make a drone that could take out a high-value individual target but be "waved off" at the last moment if noncombatants pop in out of nowhere.
>>wow weapon designed for fricking low collateral whacking of hadjis by SOF doesn't work in a high intensity conflict
Whacking Hajji for $700 with a hand launched drone or whacking Hajii with a $90 000 drone launched out of a heavy mortar barrel.... weeeellll I think theres a grift going on here. But it is for a good thing, you say? Son, how small is your brain?
>because their weapon systems are so overpriced.
>t.
Wait, did he really praise that shit plastic wrapped crustlet slavbread? How moronic is he?
better than american bread
Why are you so pathetic?
Nah, it's kind of true. They have this system where warm soft freshly baked bread is delivered daily to most grocery store chains. The downside is that you have to buy it within a couple of hours of it arriving because it gets stale very quickly, but it also means that it's a proper fresh bread with no preservatives.
It's just one of the benefits of living in a nation where people were forced to have wheat products as their primary source of calories until, like, 2000.
>They have this system where warm soft freshly baked bread is delivered daily to most grocery store chains.
This system is commonplace in Europe, some larger chains like Lidl also have a bakery in house, the premade dough is shipped to the store and baked there, so the bread is always fresh. It is not just bread but also bread products like donuts and apple pies.
Yeah like why the frick are idiot cooming over that. I live in bumfrick nowhere Texas and they bake bread daily. Not a ton but you can grab a warm loaf. It’s literally terminally online idiots that have never even seen the inside of a grocery store that get off to this.
Yea, some of the stuff is surprisingly good for the price.
Not bakery quality, but still.
You mean a bakery? Yeah flyover USA has those also, moron. Is this like the idea that the ONLY cheese all of Americans can possible get, is only pre-sliced plastic-wrapped hydroginated oil fake cheese?
Despite the fact every state has their own dairy industries to some extent? So the only bread Americans can possibly get is pre-made sliced Wonder bread? Are people this daft and unaware about the wide variety of products availible even to flyover hicks?
You're brown.
I'm from Europe myself and I'm not gonna lie, I really thought a lot of burgers didn't have access to fresh non-chemical bread in their immediate vicinity.
Dude. We grow the worlds food. We have all the options. We just don't brag About it. It's at stores.
It's not even a big deal. When euros say it, it's kind of funny. We have gmo, organic, and local. We just choose. It's like metric or imperial. We use both constantly. Europeans are stuck with metric and metric is dog shit for certain things
We have wonderbread-likes too. It's just that they are resented by virtually everyone. I'm not even sure why they sell it because I don't know a single person who wouldn't give you a stink eye for buying it.
>Dude. We grow the worlds food.
I'm never sure if Burgers are just moronic or straight up delusional.
Most of the worlds food would rot within a week if it wasn't for the preservatives we grow and sell off.
We grow the worlds food. You guys can grow all the plants you want, but you'd starve to death because it would rot too fast.
You guys grow the easy shit, we grow the hard.
It's just like crude versus gasoline. Anyone can pump crude
>The US exported $177 billion worth of agricultural goods in 2021. Home / Economy / Articles / What happens to the food grown in the US? The US led the world in agricultural exports in 2021, sending $177 billion worth of agricultural products abroad.
We import a lot too -- cognac, foie gras, that sort of thing. But without us, Africa starves. Wait, that would be a good thing, please nuke us now.
But why? I mean I do get stereotypes but considering the wealth and size of the country just extrapolating logic would make that seem silly. I mean baking is one of the earliest forms of staple food preparation.
Although I would be lying if I said Wonder Bread wasn't ubiquitous to American households, especially in the 20th Century. It wasn't because it was the only option, but it was generally the best option regarding need and economy for it; most of the time bread is for morning toast and a sack-lunch sandwich for school or work, factory bread was great for that, would last a week or more in the cupboard, and be half the price or more of a fresh loaf from the bakery (which could go bad in 3-4 days).
As hipsters and hippies started getting concerns (some legit many exagerated) about additives in food, the market started shifting away from factory bread; and as increases in diesel fuel from taxes shot transportation costs up, the price competitiveness of factory bread dropped. Nowadays I don't even bother with factory bread, half the time it isn't any cheaper than a fresh loaf anymore and the quality is worse; although since I do like sourdough I have to freeze half the loaf right away or else it will go moldy on me (in a dry, mild climate).
You're more ignorant than your caricature of Americans.
You are somewhat overstating things. Most of Europe is food stable regarding their staples and a lot of the preservatives "we" use don't factor into it. Also you do disregard South America's agriculture (especially Chile) to provide US markets with fresh produce year round (not that we don't have hothouses and regions that can grow year-round).
>Nah, it's kind of true.
i live in an average american city and i'm a sub 5-minute walk from like 4 artisan bakeries. is your entire view of the US from 80's TV commercials or something?
This comment is based on a meme of an American black man talking to the camera with a square loaf and listing several ingredients, most of which are vitamin additives, claiming "The bread is not bread! This bread isn't food! Look at these ingredients. Bread needs only three ingredients, flour butter and yeast, and yet this has 10. Wake up."
He then proceeds to go on a rant about the government and that you should only eat homecooked bread (with no added vitamins designed to stop vitamin deficiencies in kids) or you'll starve somehow.
It's just fricking bread.
>How moronic is he?
Yes. All of the Yes.
hes a complete fricking moron. the entire video seems to prove that hes never been in a fricking grocery store before.
Okay John Smith of Virginia oblast. I will make sure to vote blue this November!!! Government is always of speaks truths!!
No he was just commenting on the price difference of things in Russia vs the west. Also pointing out that all of the companies that are suppose to be sanctioning Russia in the west are still doing business with Russia.
>smells bread through a sealed plastic bag and says it's great
what did he mean by this
Some bread bags might not be airtight, or smell like the bread they contain due to the environment they're exposed to.
Generally, even if a loaf is wrapped solidly in cling film, you can get hints of what's underneath with a good sniff.
And now I want loaf.
The bread has been sniffed, the eggs measured. The ass is in the ass.
Z is ready.
>Z is ready.
Not until the ass has been sniffed.
This moron let putin dump hours of jingoistic smelkaka on him and went to a basic supermarket to coom over the fact that you have to pay a deposit for shopping carts. Which is common in like half the world and if it happened in america he would call it communism and unconstitutional. He's obviously doesn't buy his own groceries, maybe ever. Then he highlights that groceries are 1/3rd the price of america without mentioning that wages are 1/4th of american ones. And after all this he says he doesn't even like putin and thinks he's a lying sack of shit lmao. What an absolute clown show. I don't even think he's necessarily a bad guy, just actually intellectually challenged
>Which is common in like half the world and if it happened in america he would call it communism and unconstitutional.
every single aldi in america requires a quarter for a shopping cart and its been that was since i remember my parents dragging me to aldi in the late 90s. tucker is a fricking moron who has never actually done his own grocery shopping for maybe 40 years
We literally have Aldi in the US. Tucker is a fricking moron.
I was thinking that was funny. We've had that in Australia before and it's actually been phased out by a lot of supermarkets because people found it annoying and the mechanisms would jam, either open by people doing everyone a solid or closed because of a clog.
It's honestly funny how it showed both that he's never done a normal daily task for himself in living memory and how desperate he is to find some, any reason to slobber all over Putin's wrinkled old ballsack.
>You can interview the tsar
>But you have to smell the bread
>Do I hav...
>SMELL BREAD!
>Clogged
I've lived near one of these, noone gives a shit, just carry a coin in your wallet you get it back.
You misunderstand the purpose of the shopping trip. He wanted to show that the sanctions have had little lasting impact on the Russians. There were some immediate shocks to the Russian economy, but they've learned how to smuggle, scalp, beg, barter, and buy the things they had before. It's the same in Iran. Sanctions are a speedbump. they don't work in the long run.
>they don't work in the long run.
Zigger cope. Putin has already sliced the shit out of all budgets except military, introduced a "progressive tax" which just forces anyone who earns above $800 a month to pay more, and the treasury he filled with his 2022 gas prices grift is rapidly running out.
Hell, your well poisoning homosexual thirdie ass claims that the sanctions did nothing in Iran right after they had some of the biggest protests in history. Not to mention that the point is to cripple the enemy economy, which they do just fine, not to necessarily have their leader overthrown.
If anything, Tucker's videos just made me conscious of how horrible life in the US must be. Apparently you don't even have bread over there.
Grim.
We're all on the keto diet now, mah homie.
Was it really 90k? I remembered the price that was announced when they came out was something like 3-6k a piece
Ukraine didn't pay a cent
All the NLAW, Javelin and Switchblades were free, it was military aid and they just grabbed a bunch of shit off the shelf left over from the GWOT and said 'go frick some shit up'
>2 days to Kyiv later
In terms of what and why they got the Switchblade, it was more or less conceived as a way of getting precision hits on high value targets and hey frick, no one really used them very much but maybe Ukraine can use it to wipe out some Russian officers and if it works, it works, it doesn't then that's no real biggy either. I would argue that it was sort of an idea that drone ops on that micro level of having personal drones dropping in to say hi on Russians might have had a little inspiration there and the evolution was rapid.
We thought having some 1000 dollar drone dropping an old cold war anti-tank grenade through someone's sunroof was pretty fricking rad and that gradually turned into bigger, multiple bomb dropping monsters and eventually after a year or so the FPV drones really started making their presence felt.
That's just how wars work, someone makes a fairly expensive weapon system, it costs a lot to develop because no ones done it before and a few years later if its working well, then it'll be mass produced in the hundreds of thousands and have its own doctrine, tactics and continuing evolution. Like back when I was being deployed to GWOT in Afghanistan I purchased a thermal unit that was probably about 50k USD because it was new, high end, high resolution and something we needed that didn't exist in inventory.
24 years later, same shit you can probably spend 5-8k on the equivalent and its a 1/4 the size, battery lasts 5 times longer and its just how being an early adopter goes.
Thermals have gotten cheaper because of the Chinese manufacturers: https://youtu.be/cd63_FkrtBo?si=j8PRHqT6uci-6tv3
Same with the DJI quadcopters and FPV drones uses in Ukraine. Neither have anything to do with the US MIC
Did you even read what he said before that?
Dam private Pyle got thinn in the gulak... do you think he is gonna wack the local comisar by 120×80 cm euro palette ?
Palletisation hasn't reached the Russian military yet, but I'm sure when he gets home he will take at least 5-6 of them and make a house with them
>Like back when I was being deployed to GWOT in Afghanistan I purchased a thermal unit that was probably about 50k USD because it was new, high end, high resolution and something we needed that didn't exist in inventory.
This is because of industrial developement in China, not because of American '"innovation".
>24 years later, same shit you can probably spend 5-8k on the equivalent and its a 1/4 the size, battery lasts 5 times longer and its just how being an early adopter goes.
If you use non-rechargeable batteries in these single use drones modern lithium batteries are not needed. And again, this low cost of lithium batteries is because of industrial developement in China, not America. Quadcopter drones were originally cameraless toys developed and produced in China.
An American professor invented the Li-Ion battery, think he was in Texas, got a Nobel Laureate for it
China just makes it because no one wants their backyard full of toxic mess doing the metals refining process
Much the same with FLIR systems, they got invented by Texas Instruments and put together over the years for military purposes in the US for a very long time. The reason they're used instead of a Chinese knock off is that they're mil-spec, so they're ruggedised, water and dust proof enough to survive being finger fricked in the field. China can't make the very high end chips and they've been sanctioned effectively from the top end of the tech curve so it's unlikely they'll be around much longer in that along with their economic problem.
More than likely most of it will switch over to SEA and India, none of the big guns of western industry make anything there any more, they all left when China fricked up the world with rona and created an impossible business environment.
>hook nose
>ZLOnsky
vatnik
Not just a vatnik, Zlovák actually
Why do you think that grunts will be exposed to such things, vantigger?
>The technological edge that the US enjoyed back in 1991 has been greatly eroded.
lmfao, moron
>oh no! Millions of dollars of tax payers money have been stopped by a bunch of rocks!
I'm fricking pissed arma 3 never added more hunter variants especially with all the roles the jltv is meant to fulfil.
Ukraine is literally a testing ground for US/NATO weapons. The US people and Congress should be fricking grateful that the war can expose what works (HIMARS, Patriot) and what doesnt and is a waste of taxpayer money (Switchblade in this case). The amount saved on field testing alone would probably be in the billions.
Cruise missiles do a great job of accurately hitting HVTs like TELAR and SAM batteries.
Goat fricker accuracy is really iffy, Tomahawks are expensive for a reason.
beep beep
This makes the drone obsolete. Shame the Chinese and Russians can't develop one that works.
as long as there's not any amount of fog or haze in the air
The one destroyed launcher?
Didn't like 5 jets get shot down in a day recently?
Yeah that launcher killed about a dozen strike craft and an A-50 before it got blown up.
Just the launcher mind you, not the control or radar unit.
Meanwhile russia has spent literally half of their monetary reserves fighting the poorest country in Europe and is yet to capture a single larger city lol
>half of their monetary reserves
This did not happen lol
>won't be able to protect the grunts from being blown up by FPV quadcopter drones on camera.
do russians really believe that or is this a joke?
in a conflict with a competent military (NATO), any target within 100+ km of blue FLOT will be dead in minutes
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/28/politics/us-troops-drone-attack-jordan/index.html
Wow, this really means that USA is weak and BRICS is strong!
>outpost in a foreign country where no large scale conflict is taking place was attacked by surprise and nobody died
how does this prove in a large scale conflict fpv quadcopters would be a feasible offensive weapon?
>no wonder they vanished from the battlefield of Ukraine
Has this ever been confirmed? These things are obviously harder to counter than some pos chink drone rigged with a grenade or RPG warhead.
Fails invasion
Fails to steal washing machines
Has tanks stolen by gypsies
Sends mobiks to die in wwii gear, sometimes without weapons
All so Putin the dwarf can stay in power
>grunts from being blown up by FPV quadcopter drones on camera.
I love this tacit admission that this is exactly what's happening to the average zigger
told you switchblade sucked 2 years ago but the neocon boomer mutts here are all moronic
>I didn't know they were so expensive
grift and nepotism isnt exclusive to the russian oligarchs
the switchblade was pretty new, basically experimental tech. no shit its expensive.
>I didn't know they were so expensive, almost the cost of a Javelin missile. For the price of 1 switchblade suicide drone you could buy more than 1000 DJI/FPV quadcopter drones strapped with explosives, no wonder they vanished from the battlefield of Ukraine:
G R I F T
Uuuhhh! Uuuuhhh! Sir! This is America, we do not have grift here, that's whats them thirdworlders have sir, and we ain't them, sir! Uuuuuraah!
The truth is that grift is everywhere in American defense procurement in the form of impossible R&D projects and absurdly expensive weapons.
They don't cost that much dummy.
No the air force doesn't use 35000 k hammers either
It's just listed that way to fund the black side.
Cheap and effective is not the MO when you have actual trillions for war. The US MIC is the world leader in war tech and fulfills this role with expensive R&D.
Worked well in Afghan I see.
Who would men. Men with faith in their god or dollar bills and basedjaks addicted to capeshit. Crap like captain America literally is America’s new god. It’s no “lack of political will” that lost Afghanistan and Vietnam such as “lack of any history societal norms culture art humanities or religion”
I mean only about 2k US troops died there over 20 years
I'm sure the losers, dead and alive, are happy about taking another L in Afghan.
They are all having better lives than the creatures that are considered "rich" in your goner shithole
I'm in awe of the thirdies who think that America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan just because it never bothered to start shelling and gulaging large swaths of their population and chose to leave on its own terms while losing less people in 10-20 years, than Russia does in two weeks.
It’s cause America are cucks. Westoids will warn people they’re about to bomb them make cursory attempts to avoid civilian casualties then get called filthy fenocidal pigs by the entire planet including themselves. Le west has fallen because they’ve ran out of political will. Both their people and the global community would rather them dead, they know it, and are now just dying
>conquered by force
>occupied for 20 years
>left by political reasons
Decisive US victory even by WW2 criteria. Or do you believe USSR lost the WW2 because it had to leave 40 years later?
>hurr durr hurr
>90k per unit
Welp, now we have the answer as to the disappearance. Whichever side will not be able to import from China & Taiwan during the next big war will lose, because that's where literally all ukie & russian fpv drones come from.
I'm fairly sure that 100% of Switchblades were given to Ukie SOF and they are responsible for a lot of smoking accidents inside Russia. That's why they seem to have disappeared.
they were given to ukraine for field testing. the switchblade is very good for HVT assassination but seems a bit low-powered for proper war use.
>That's a lot of words
its two sentences
He is ESL so please understand it takes time for him to understand anything that isn't in his pig grunting of a language.
Speak in cromagnon grug.
America no have problem kill cave dwellers America just pussy. America military kill good, themselves when they leave too
>cheap & effective warfare
The secret to making warfare cheap and effective (relatively speaking, war has a stubborn habit of being neither as cheap nor expedient as anyone would like) is spending a frickload of money up front. If russia had actually spent their dosh on the military instead of their yachts they might have actually pulled off discount desert storm and saved themselves 2 and counting years of sending more and more good money/men/material after bad.
Look, its just like your dad. He went out for milk and never came back and he's probably now a journalist or making an honourable living sucking dicks in a bus stop somewhere.
Make of it what you will, doesn't change much either way
When you say things like globohomo, slop, israelites
You sound very gay. Homosexuals use those words nonstop. Maybe you picked it up off reddit
The US lost less than 3k people and 80b worth in equipment after over 20 years and you apes ook and throw feces in celebration as if it was some sort of a crippling defeat.
Russia loses 10k vatniks to get some fricking Novopidorovka 5 miles away from the pre-war frontline and it's a glorious victory and yet another grand step to the ensured collapse of the western civilization.
This is why you thirdies will keep wallowing in your shit until the end of times. Your reality perception faculties are entirely focused on bullshitting yourselves about your own greatness instead of reflection and improvement.
Tldr, you got BTFO by cavedwellers... again.
Take the L and move on. Maybe try aborigines this time.
American military has consistently curb stomped those dwellers with humiliating loss ratios. The "failure" in Afghanistan is predicated on the US being unable to establish a normal functioning democracy and then realizing that this shit is not worth wasting 1% of the yearly military spending on.
Congratulations, thirdies. You won because another country chose to stay a shithole.
stop replying to him, hes probably a europoor or c*nadian. He is growing strong on your replies. We all know we’re undisputed military leader on Earth both now and for the foreseeable future.
You do realize the Russians got their shit kicked in by those same cave dwellers.
even when we did get switchblade kino it was low quality and lame. webm is the only switchblade vid i have besides the one that killed the Russian official in occupied territory
No, not at all really. Third-rate Russian officials are literally richer than the CEO of Lockheed. Switchblades are a good example actually. Yes, they are expensive, but all that money goes to the people developing and building them. In Russia, a company will receive a 10b grant and and then proceed to produce a literal aliexpress drone. Not something that looks like one. A literally consumer drone bought from China and assembled by a bunch of Russian alkies getting paid $1k per month. The rest of the money is literally stolen and pocketed by the management.
in the west corruption is mostly done via kick back deals.
The thing I described is a form of a kickback deal. It's one of the fundamental building blocks of Russian politics. High ranking officials are not merely allowed, they are expected to profit from these schemes in exchange for their loyalty.
They don't even bother to hide them because the government goes after anyone trying to expose this. This is how you get a bunch of literal ali toys presented as the latest developments.
That's also why Russian officials and CEOs of government-funded companies are richer than their American counterparts despite an infinitely lower GDP and negative productivity.
I'm not defending American israeliteery here, just pointing out that you have to be a schizo or a brown shill to claim that it is anywhere near as bad as Russian antics.
>It's one of the fundamental building blocks of Russian politics.
Sort of like the T-14 Armata, the tank that is crushing Ukrainian defenses and about to take Kiev. These fighting menaces are so capable that Russia only needed to produce six of them on a multi-billion-dollar budget in order to overwhelm Ukraine.
Putin's victory speech from the Maidan Square will be remembered for all eternity.
I’m glad the military is learning about drone warfare from our future NATO partner and ally. Hopefully we can apply these lessons against the PRC PLA and PLAN
iirc the company behind switchblade had to go for bigger explosives, i think they ended up like lancet esque design (early version)
The US even cancelled their next gen scout helicopter if favor of drones
https://www.flyingmag.com/army-scraps-future-attack-and-reconnaissance-aircraft-program/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Army%20is%20canceling,drones%20to%20fill%20the%20capability.
>The decision was made as a result of lessons learned from the ongoing war in Ukraine, according to one service official.
“We are learning from the battlefield—especially in Ukraine—that aerial reconnaissance has fundamentally changed,” General Randy George, chief of staff of the Army, said in a statement. “Sensors and weapons mounted on a variety of unmanned systems and in space are more ubiquitous, further reaching, and more inexpensive than ever before.”
odd that even the president of Iraq disagrees with you
>We left the cave dwellers $80B of equipment
That they cannot maintain and repair. Have you ever seen the maintenance that goes into keeping western equipment the best in the world?
>Ctrl-F
>Demoralization
>Phrase not found
Dipshit journalists and dipshit posters don't realize unit includes the control station along with all the shit. The drone munition itself is a few thousand a pop and will continue flying into a target even when jammed unlike quadcopters.
Thirdies being jealous that America has infinite wealth and happily makes every small american defense entrepreneur a multi billionaire while they live poor: The thread.
>$90,000 per unit.
I'm happy our equipment was tested on russians and killed a lot of glowies. We will come up with a more efficient version soon.
Except that it was the Chinese made DJI drones and FPV drones that did most of the killing of soldiers and destruction of MBTs and IFVs.
That's what useful idiots and vatniks never looked up.
Ukraine never signed them. They aren't violating any treaty or convention anymore than the United States using landmines or Russia using cluster bombs or landmines.
Okay Russia kind of is but the point is the Ukrainians aven't violated any treaty or broken any honor code. If anyone has a problem with that invite them in, oh wait then they are bound to protections and the world has to respond including the un to Russian warcrimes
India ain't doing that.
Come in type some more Lada Lawyer. A Regular Mathew McCaugheyov
>stopped buying switchblade
The stops buying the 300 model, which was a 40mm grenade, but not the 600 model, which is a javelin warhead on a long range drone.
So expensive than the warhead with HE more expensive than platinum per mass was insignificant for the final price.
>d $90,000 per unit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)
>Multiple sources:
>Effie Pedaliu (16 August 2021). "The Taliban's victory proves the West has failed to learn the lessons of the past". LSE EUROPP. London School of Economics. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>Barry, Ben (19 August 2021). "Understanding the Taliban's military victory". International Institute for Strategic Studies. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>Saeed, Saim; Olivier, Christian (18 August 2021). "Taliban victory in Afghanistan spells trouble for the neighbors". Politico Europe. Politico and Axel Springer AG. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>Willis, Halley; Triebert, Christiaan; Hill, Evan; Smith, Brenna; Khavin, Dmitrity (16 August 2021). "What Scenes From the Taliban's Victory in Afghanistan Reveal". The New York Times. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>Holleis, Jennifer; Hussein, Mehyeddin (18 August 2021). "Taliban victory: A likely boost for Islamist extremists in the Middle East". Deutsche Welle. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>Coffey, David (19 August 2021). "Does the Taliban victory in Afghanistan mean the end of US global clout?". Radio France Internationale. Government of France through France Médias Monde. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>England, Andrew; Warrell, Helen; Manson, Katrina; Kazmin, Amy (18 August 2021). "Taliban victory sparks concerns al-Qaeda could regroup". The New York Times. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>Mudassir, Malik (16 August 2021). "Afghanistan: Life in Kabul after the Taliban victory". BBC. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
>Massaro, Chris (17 August 2021). "With Taliban victory, Afghanistan could become the 'second school of jihadism'". Fox News. Retrieved 23 August 2021.
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tldr: America still has no idea how to deal with large swaths of civvies harboring terrorists.
>a wall of text explaining how being occupied for 20 years and glassed to Zimbabwe levels is a victory.
>invade a country across the globe
>enforce change of power and install loyal government
>occupy the country for 20 years
>lose only 2000 soldiers for the whole campaign
USSR performed worse in Afghanistan and Russia performs worse in Ukraine.
>Taliban victory
>HDI 0.478
That number is from 2021. It's likely tanked since then.
>GDP per capita as of 2021: $441
Even 5% of uninterrupted annual growth rates for 3 years would turn it into current $514 which is only of 25% of bottleshoe Black folk GDP.
>growth
>the title states it contracted in 2 consecutive years
>the chart displays a debounce/growth after 2022
>Has to list citations to 'prove' it was a victory
Pathetic.
Because I'll be recorded in the history books as such.
You'll be recorded in history as part of the taliban?
And ironically 0.03% of Afghanistan's population will be able to read those history books until the day we finally give up the pretense and decide all non-whites and about half of Asians just need to be eradicated from the face of the planet.
>No free health are
Did people forget about Obamacare or am I dreaming.
do you think obamacare provides any free healthcare? Like thats Medicaid, which existed decades before obama.
All Obamacare did was make it illegal to not have health insurance and would penalize you for it. Seriously that's all it did. It did initially provide some federal subsidies to promote cheaper options and opened up a vetted "marketplace" to get insurance from, but it didn't give free healthcare at all. Even the subsidies did not last long and got dropped down on the individual states to do so, some which could last for a bit but most couldn't. Once the cost burden became too great for many states, the removed the tax penalty for not showing proof of health insurance, although the federal requirement is still there.
But in any case the metric of "free health care" is complete tripe as there is no such thing as a free service; and the "free healthcare" countries usually have atrocious service and anyone with a half-decent employer in the United States already has better medical care for cheaper than any moron serf who uses dumb strings like "Amerimutt".
Subhumans don't understand cooperation or compromise; for them it's a sign of weakness.
Obamacare also massively increased the cost of insurance and got rid of all of the smaller insurance companies.
80 million people lost their coverage and had to pay more for worse plans.
But hurray!!! a bunch of Black folk that got free shit from the gov got more free shit.
it's a good thing for america that this shit weapon got battle tested this early before they drank that kool-aid
Mandic, do you actually believe these dumb images?