For me it's the Stanley Fatmax Fubar, a combination pick / sledge / crowbar / giant wrench. It weighs in at exactly eight pounds, is made of a single piece of forged stainless steel, and can shuck a battle tank open given an hour or two. It retails at a reasonable $49.99. Shop smart. Shop S-mart.
Also you only get one weapon, and no ranged weapons allowed.
>only get one weapon
Wrong again.
Is a bomb a ranged weapon if I keep holding on to it?
I mean if I'm following those rules I might as well just lay down and die. If you want to survive the SHTF get a rock sling, a hatchet and a skinning knife. Also get something that shoots black powder and memorize the basic formula to make the shit. My recommendation is a muzzle loading rifle with a piezo electric ignition modification or any wheellock.
The sling for fighting humans and hunting small game, hatchet for fighting humans and for a multi tool, and the powder gun is for fighting humans and hunting large game without the need for percussion caps.
why are you assuming you can't just
>wait inside your well-stocked home
>with your well-stocked ammo and weapons
>awaiting the mob of the hungry
>and rarely firing a shot
?
you'll never go through 1,000 rounds of 5.56 in SHTF. you'll hoard it.
why would you abandon your familiar shelter in a time of crisis? that is the safest place in your life, the easiest to live in, and you're already postured to defend it. if you're forced to go innawoods then you're likely already dead. and who says you'll even make it innawoods in SHTF?
Anything could happen in an eotw shtf situation that could cause you to be displaced
>hypothetically, you could be displaced from your house
hypothetically, you could take all the guns away from people.
this is what you sound like.
there's few if any realistic SHTF scenarios where you'd have to leave your home. home is where you're safest and you're king of the hill with food, water, shelter, and firearms. you stand a much better chance with a full belly in a shelter than you do trapping and hunting in an unfamiliar area... going innawoods is throwing away an incredible amount of advantage.
>be displaced from house
>somehow remove every single gun
Surely these are similar amirite
Shelters can be burned. Survivors can come back for revenge. Unless you've got numbers and strong fortifications sheltering in place is only permanent for as long as it takes for word of you to spread.
this is assuming your enemy is
a) informed about your existence,
b) intent on your destuction,
c) skilled enough to carry it out against your defenses, and
d) not already starved to death or dead from infighting.
all of these need to be the case before your hypothetical *has a chance* of playing out. in all other scenarios, sheltering in your home with food/water/firearms is the winning play.
I'm fairly certain there is no winning play in whatever doomsday scenario we are imagining here. Unless you're part of some sort of skilled commune you'll dye running.
>you'll dye running.
heeeeeheeheheheheheeeeee
wear yer brown pants
i'd get to finally live out my dream of not LARPing. i have a great life by all standards (making 6 figures) but i feel like a loser, with a rifle in my hand and a clear goal i'll feel like a winner for once in my life. i felt that way when i was in woodland survival training, the outside world stopped mattering and things were so much more simple and clear. white people beg for this kind of spirituality, to finally be let loose upon an unfair world with all to be gained or lost in a flash.
Unless you're in a very remote environment, everyone within 50 miles is gonna know something about you after the first assault. The two main things will be that you've got munitions and weapons which will be highly desirable, and you've got resources worth defending with those munitions and weapons.
see point d of my post. a guarded home is not easy and you'll probably die trying. homes get burglarized because the owner's running assumption is safety or the owners are away; things are far different when the owner's assumption is extreme danger and the owners are home.
>Implying people don't already assume extreme danger when dealing with a burglar
the assumption of safety = letting your guard down.
the assumption of extreme danger = keeping your guard up.
the first can be exploited easily. the second, not so much.
Actually they're both very easily exploitable. There's an entire branch of military doctrine meant that teaches how to exploit the latter.
>a roaming mob will follow military doctrine
at least you're consistently delusional.
You think it's unlikely that people who's career was nothing but fighting, preparing to fight and helping others fight wouldn't work their way into these roving bands?
*Would
it would be like herding cattle, and you know it.
by the way, good luck walking down a street in suburbia as a crowd. the whole suburb wakes up if one gunfight breaks out, and suddenly you have no cover anywhere. i'd peek out of my window and shoot several people hiding on the corner of my neighbor's house. you lose three men in an instant and there's more of me than there is of a dwindling mob.
Several events in the 19th century lead me to a different conclusion
Against an armed populous abusive raiding parties tend to be short lived.
Again, 19th century in America tells a different story.
You fricking sure about that?
Also a thousand rounds is only about 30-35 mags. Might last you, might not. Good idea to have a modern rifle too, but my plan is accounting for the possibility of no return to normalcy.
personally i have different plans for different situations. if it's a slow burn collapse without roving raider gangs, i can shelter in place for probably 8-12 months with one other person (or 2-3 people for 4-6 months) comfortably, almost luxuriously
if things are getting real dicey i have 3 options
>secure wilderness bug out site 10 minute drive down the road in an inconspicuous part of a nearby national park
>friend's farm 20 minute drive away, secluded, secure, well-stocked
if shit reeeeally gets going
>redneck militia compound 40 minutes away in middle of nowhere, my two friends and their gun nut families invited me along "as long as i am willing to work"
i feel like it's good to have options. but if the lights go out, i'm set. i'll just chill at home and maybe even make some beans and rice and grill some meat to share with the neighbors
>maybe even make some beans and rice and grill some meat to share with the neighbours
kek. You're gonna be one of the first to get rolled with that attitude bud.
>Also you only get one weapon, and no ranged weapons allowed.
Big talk for a guy without a gun.
this seems like a glow Black person thread.
all fields.
>no ranged weapons allowed
Who's going to stop me throwing wrenches from beneath manholes, you homosexual?
Martini Henry with attached Bayonet
Frick your rule, eat lead then get stabbed idiot
I'm not a homosexual living in a communist state (yet) so my SHTF weapon is in fact my AK with a bayonet on it.
Rock in a Sock
A sandbag full of cats.
Pitbull
Is ranged, but ductaped wolverines to your forearm on the other hand...
Based and only useful in a open field
>not getting a based 8 foot polearm
>(head included - staff alone is 6 feet)
You would abandon it because it's literally too fricking long
halbards are the most versitile weapons
>t.manlet
Good luck fighting some Black person with it in an enclosed space while navigating through a store or building
i'd suggest 2 3 foot lengths of quarter inch landscaping bamboo with just a touch of green left in them for extra flex...i have cut one of the ears off of guys heads using bamboo, 10/10 close quarters melee if you are not trying to kill the other person
In an eotw stuff post apoc type situation you would be trying to kill most likely
oo, karambit and a tanto then, if only 1 a warhammer, 3 footer would be nice
Warhammer could be good, you'd ideally want one hand free imo so a one handed warhammer covers that along with having a blunt side and a sharp side
>2 3 foot lengths of quarter inch landscaping bamboo
This is the best thing to hit Black folk with. Step on their neck and whack their knees until they bleed.
It's a weapon of war same with a great sword. Even in the days that these weapons were used, they would never be used for scouting and ranging. Especially not in urban environments.
Only if tou practice with them for years. Otherwise it's just an awkward steel stick
I also have a folding garden trowel.
meant for
I know. I was just thinking of a rage png to post.
And a folding fishing rod.
actually those work
I wouldn't want a fishing rod that doesn't fold or isn't disassemblable.
>he doesn't know about the Bec de Corbin or the Lucerne Hammer
take the Gygaxpill
nothing beats the based halligan tool.
that's some very awkward mass distribution and balancing at the L-shape end
>that's worse than the fricking 'boxtool' The balance of these multi purpose tool are always terrible.
That's a staple in firefighting kit for over a century. I've never used one but i doubt its some multitool meme, its probably great for breaking into buildings through doors, walls and roofs.
I'll take this. The versatility of locking pliers is great, from pinching an artery to unscrewing bolts. I'll use it together with some shitty kitchen knife and a stick to make a spear.
yea, the boxtool. Well maybe it was just a cheap one I got, It's an axe/crowbar/hammer but it's not really good for any of the functions because the bend in the top for the crowbar throws the balance off. It was just a small hatchet sized one that I got for myself long ago at lee valley tools.
if it was a fixed 'blade' shovel with a sharp enough edge it could be used as a machete pretty well. But as soon as you got to digging you'd ruin that edge. So.
that's worse than the fricking 'boxtool' The balance of these multi purpose tool are always terrible.
In the zombie book "Adrian's Undead Diary" they make extensive use of halligans as a shtf tool and melee zombie-killing device.
this is the only correct answer.
your greatest enemy?
doors.
It's a two man tool.
I was walking late at night and found a 3-foot long 1" id steel pipe on the side of the road so I grabbed it
a gun you poor Black person
i prefer the chaos zweihander
Stanley shilling this fricking tacticool cringe tool again
Frick off. Buy an add
It really is one of the worst of the bunch. The biggest knife I have is a Becker 10in Kbar and it's entirely too much knife to be useful and not a hinderance most of the time. Price to performance the Milwaukee tradesman is hard to beat. Roughly $40 for V8 stainless, sharp, well shaped and balanced and, tough as frick. I've never heard a justification for why they aren't more popular among the PrepHole and poorgay community. As far as demo wrenches go the Fiskars ones have way better ergos and just are of better quality for the money.
Usually giant knives are used as an all-in-one survival tool. It's used for splitting wood and shit when you don't have an axe.
this
plus this
and you can chop wood ok. But the bat alone is just a club and not very useful.
I got it for processing wood and took it out a total of one time. Do you know what weighs about the same and is actually good a processing wood? A fricking hatchet and a saw. I still want a polish saber though.
If you lose your pack and only have the knife on your hip, it's enough for you to make do.
I have a knife. A normal proper sized one right next to my canteen. It's more than enough for basic batoning. Do you own a 10 in BK? I'm telling you in my opinion it's too big to be practically useful in most instances and a hinderance for general carry.
That's a bar that'll walk off site real quick if you don't pay attention.
Monster fox gf
post the actual page you dumb iToddler
Wut? Also that's a mangadex file name.
Sorry but that other page didn't return a match on saucenao and since it's UUID filename I naturally assumed it's a cropped screenshot saved on an iToddler device. Carry on.
Poo bags, ziplock bags only slightly sealed so when I throw them at my foes they burst open and splashes rancid dookie on them
I got about 400 stored in a big freezer outside, my girlfriend found it and complained so I used one on her and she shut up.
haha good man, i do poo bags but put the baggie in a foam big gulp for better range when tossing
Señor Mierda
Orale
Capitan of Caca
You can be my number 2 any day
>so I used one on her and she shut up
My biggest laugh so far today, thanks.
Are you by chance, originally from India?
The Gardena™ Wooden Handle.
> https://www.gardena.com/de/produkte/beet-bodenbearbeitung/combisystem/combisystem-holzstiel-180-cm/901052501/
180 cm of Aluminium-reinforced high-quality, resilient ashwood - strong enough to beat any shitskin to death with.
Equipped with a rock-solid mounting port to screw even more deadly attachments onto it.
And the best: I'm even able to open-carry it legally, as it's just a gardening tool.
>I'm even able to legally carry it
Wtf happen to white countries?
That's cast mate, that ain't forged. It'll crack and shear in time.
Gentlemens
>Cast iron is great!
>Drop it
>No more cast iron pan
Are you suggesting that a cast iron pan would break when dropped?
You've never touched one, have you?
They are brittle.
you've never touched one, have you?
I own 4 diff sized cast iron pots and cook with one just about every night. If you drop them on the concrete while they are cold, that's a wrap. Go ahead and try it, genius,
>cherry picking an almost impossible to organically occur scenario
nice concession
Cast iron?
That's gonna hurt.
>TING TING TANG TING TANG
>The only right answer
>not using the original
The Deutsche all-metal folder can be used as a stool, cooking surface in the campfire and many other things.
You can also sharpen the edges for limited time extra damage
And then there is the heart-swelling pride of "Made in Deutschland" on the label instead of "Made in China" like everything else today.
>and many other things.
and it's below mediocre at all things.
I like this one better. You can use it as a hatchet too.
>it's below mediocre at all things.
That's the advantage of adaptability HUMAN. Our entire racial advantage is being jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none.
You need to be good enough to use the tool, tool.
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep, fellow HUMAN I disagree. For the sub par tool is a wall decoration in a homestead for it does nothing well enough to ever be a replacement for any dedicated tool that it seeks to replace.
Folding shovels are shit because they incorporate too much complexity than they are worth and when they break you won't be able to fix it easy. A non folding short shovel can be strapped to a backpack and used immediately once detached, even for a weapon whereas the folder is useless unless carried in the unfolded position, so why would you not just go with a nonfolder?
>in a homestead
That's not it's purpose and not the discussion.
It is a tool for the survivor on the go, the solder on the march.
It's meant for times when you can't carry plow and stove along with you.
doesn't fricking matter dimwit. the folder is still crap either way. Read the fricking rest of my statement. Or don't, and go peddle your inferior shovels elsewhere.
I"M GETTING REALLY UNNESSESSAREILY MAD ABOUT ALL OF THIS!!!!!
Because if you have a ptr91 and a glock 22 and a fixed bladed knife having a shovel ready to go at all times is completely unnecessary and bulky.
That's ignoring the basis of the post though
The basis of the post is a recipe for raider assisted suicide
The post is ignoring reality for burgers. I'm not going to change my gear up for a thought experiment.
Then why a G3 and not any of the other rifles you lot have access to?
>308
>$8 magazines
Most of my guns are pistols because I'd rather have 15 guns to trade in a bag rather than having to lug 15 rifles and shotguns. I have an SKS, an AK and a T91 and some shotguns but none slap harder than a G3 clone and it's been very reliable.
Wouldn't some form of 5.56 AR platform be more ideal given (I assume) that 5.56 is far and away the most common and easy to get/find ammo type in a scenario like that?
Which is what a T91 is for just using a piston instead of direct impingement. But relying on getting ammunition from others would not be a good plan. 308 and 7.62x51 is common enough here for my tastes. So is 7.62x39 so ar over a 30 cal doesn't make a lot of meaningful difference.
actually, many big box stores like walmart no longer carry 556 ammo, but eeeeeeveryone has 308 hunting ammo. that's the thing, the most common hunting round, 308, is also nato.
>many other things
dildo?
for anything with an axewound this service can be temporarily arranged.
>not using the superior KLAS forged from premium Swedish steel naturally alloyed to perfection due to superior ore straight from malmberget in kiruna.
Its like you want to die.
>all steel construction
>ONE over threaded part with lots of clearance so it never jams from dirt
>is both a hoe and a shovel
>greatest entrenching tool ever made, cuts through roots like butter
>>is both a hoe and a shovel
for a child maybe
see the thing is, for serious digging one has to spear the ground with the shovel and then jump on it to drive it into the ground. If the handle is not long enough it's just not a very good shovel.
>see the thing is, for serious digging one has to spear the ground with the shovel and then jump on it to drive it into the ground.
Or you just fold it 90 degrees, get on your knees and swing it like an axe straight into the dirt. Its an extremely versatile digging tool.
And nothing is stopping you from attaching a stick to handle.
The energy expenditure efficiency is not to my liking here. I need my body weight to drive the shovel down and then pried out to the side. The shovel has to be strong enough for that. It looks like it is. But the handle has to be at least long enough for me to steady myself as I jump on it. How long is the handle?
I must admit. It is a nice shovel. I would also like to know the weight.
>I need my body weight to drive the shovel down and then pried out to the side
its a 1.3kg solid chunk of steel, just swing it and let it do the work.
>How long is the handle?
The whole thing is 50cm folded and the handle never folds so the handle is 50cm. So no, you won't be able to jump on it. The best way to dig with it is imo to have it folded and just swing it. When you have a bunch of loose dirt or roots to get through you can unfold it.
>you won't be able to jump on it
I probably could if I bend my back and hunch over I could pogo stab the ground with it. I have to be assured that this is possible with this shovel because this is the most efficient method of digging.
Also, is there any plastic parts?
>this is the most efficient method of digging.
Doubt that's true for this tool.
>Also, is there any plastic parts?
No
I like the no plastic parts and I like that there's only one folding angle. 1.3 kg sounds like pretty good weight. The ability to do a pogo stab would be the deal breaker. For my height the handle would have to be at LEAST 2 feet. Probably 2 and a half would be best.
But can you fry up some eggs and bacon on it?
I don't know how much eggs and bacon you plan on getting after you bug out in a shtf scenario but yes. you can use the shovel end as a small makeshift skillet over a fire.
the compact shovel is the best weapon in the thread.
this tbh. the digging and sharp edge greatly outperforms OP's weapon
people are forgetting the SHTF part.
the compact shovel is the best reply so far. Sorry all you nerds with your weird weapons you bought from the Renaissance fair. In a shtf scenario you might need to bug out. You need shelter. You need to be able to dig dirt to make a small hut or a sniper like hole in the woods. you need to dig down into the earth to make hidden food storage.
and the tomahawk anons will survive.
tomahawks can cut trees slowly. other weapons like these can break up dirt and clay to build storage innawoods. to survive in a shtf scenario you need to hunker down and minimize excursions.
if i got to choose a ranged weapon it would be a wrist rocket.. wrist rocket and compact shovel.
and this anon
yea, true. it's gotta be a TOOL. Not a dedicated "weapon".
Even if your tool that you bring to the table is shit it's still going to impress the hordes of anons that chose shovels and tomahawks.
Like the ironskillet for example. It can still be used to crack someone's skull. Team that guy up with a tomahawk anon and they will have a harder time going hungry.
That's a tool, not a weapon. You would get gassed after swinging it for a couple minutes. 8 lbs is like 3-4x heavier than a sword.
How many people have a steel sword lying around for when shtf?
I don't, isn't that right GCHQ? Definitely not a saber, most certainly not a rapier either lol
I've got 4 swords, 2 of em are longswords and the other 2 arming swords., along with 3 spears, a poleaxe and several suits of riveted chainmail and a mace or two.
S.M. Stirling would like to have a word with you
>he needs a license
>he doesn’t at least have a katana
Anime forum bub
If you're actually planning for that shit, you should at least have a machete. It's probably the best tool for chopping branches and chopping skulls.
I do indeed have a machete from working at a slaughterhouse
Machetes are lousy at killing people. They used them during the Tutsi vs. Hutu massacre in the 90's, and loads of people survived with nothing more than scars on their heads and maybe a missing extremity or two. Use something built to task. Machetes are good for chopping brush, but that's it.
That's just because Black folk can't do anything right
You're a moron. Machetes are basically falchions. The blades are thin and are heaviest near the tip. They are literally designed to bite into things as deeply as possible. Go watch some tests on YouTube and see how easily it sinks into wood.
And yet he's not dead. I've seen people being hit by them multiple times in an African video. Painful and damaging yes, but not as fatal as a sword, pike, spear, tanto, or anything that can inflict stabbing damage to major organs not just slashing damage. Blunt damage with weight behind it like an axe or hammer is something to be considered too. You might be able to frick someone up more with a heavy weight if you hit them with them than a machete in one blow.
>And yet he's not dead
Yeah, because the Black person hit him in the face and not the brain. If that wound was to his head, it's instant death, moron.
Also Africans are terrible at making weapons.The designed has been around for hundreds of years. It's very effective. Do some actual research.
Handless across America checking in. Tbh African machetes are ass.
I can clean chop a 3" branch with a good machete. It's all about knowing how to swing it, there's a bit of finess required on the follow through. If I hit a person, say in the arm, they wouldn't be using it for a very long time. And in melee combat a clean kill is going to be rare. Real life isn't like movies.
I have a mail breaker and some machetes I'd get more but I have like 30 guns.
Estocs, spears and mailbreakers make soft body armor cry
Considering how many online sword retailers are out of stock on like half their shit, a metric a frickton.
Two knives and one tana
Probably not a lot of them in Bongland where you need a loysance or proof that it's your ancestor's or something.
I have a longsword. Don't know how long it has been in the family.
I have a xiphos, a panoply, and a Sarissa.
New bronze age collapse aesthetic let's goooo
If you're not ready to inspire poets for a thousand years while also killing horrendous pink haired beasts like Perseus killing medusa, are you even ready for collapse?
Strong body required.
a xyphos you say?
wait, mine is one of a kind.
I'm not posting it.
I have a seric steel seaux too.
🙂
but those are adornments for my outfit. the men need to know who to follow. a sword inspires this.
There's a reason why medieval maces had a wooden shaft and a rather small metal end, OP.
Just use a spear like every other smart person from 10,000 BC to 1650 AD
Like I said in another comment GL fighting some Black person in cqc with a spear or halberd
Anon, the spear is so you won't be in QC. You pike em before they get to you and if they close you have a dagger.
I'm meaning in a situation like in a stairwell or hallway or a store or house
>What is a short spear
At that point you're just better having some sort of knife and a stick you can attach it to for a makeshift spear
If you want a spear that can't stab, sure.
Why wouldn't you be able to stab lol?
Makeshift spears break after one use
not if it's just a sharpened stick
harden the tip with fire
Those also break after 1-3 pokes
kek
only if you're playing ark
>What is material stress
Go attack the best knife you can find to the best stick you can find using the best materials and most effort you can manage, you'll find out why.
ATTACH
Like there's a reason they're made with sockets and hardwood shafts.
You make notches into the stick end and maybe a mechanical lock like a hole in the centre of the blade handle. Secure it with a bolt. Voila.
Why would it be hard in a stairwell? If anything they have less room to maneuver. I can see if the spear is too unwieldy, perhaps.
Being limited to stabbing motions in a stairwell and maneuvering what will most likely be a relatively long stick/spear in that situation is less than ideal
>Being limited to stabbing motions in a stairwell
That's why they invented bayonets. Rifle+bayo is all you need. Anyone without a firearm is basically dead anyway, moreso than the ones who do have them and will still die.
Stairwells and hallways are perfect for a spear lmao. Your opponent doesn't have a way to get around your spear. They have to risk getting stabbed to even get close to you.
wut
yes
A spear would be your choice of melee weapon in a situation like this?
old mattresses and sofas, dude.
I bet a few rolls of kevlar fibre and chicken wire too with matressess would be a significant issue, would probably have to burn through it tbh, bet if you lay the matress flat and use the chicken wire and kevlar roll to staple ceramic tiles to both sides of the matress and walled 3 or 4 of them sandwiched it would stop a ton of small arms fire too, wouldnt trust it against ak rounds or .308 etc, but id bet it would protect from 9mm.
yes.
a chokepoint is where spears excel. they couldn't even get up the stairs.
boiling oil and burning matresses
and set your place on fire or risk smoke inhalation?
like the old doorbusters?
but lighter, I hope.
my place?
if it's not your place, why are you defending it?
how else could you put burning mattresses there unless you were on the defense?
>how else could you put burning mattresses there unless you were on the defense?
because it's not the first floor.
But ok, lets say we are defending it. So we block it up with old matresses and sofas so the attacking spear anons can't get up, then we get the iron skillet anon to heat up some canola oil to drip on them as they look up the stairwell center.
Setting fire to the mattresses will be a last resort manuveur and since the stairwell is made of brick and the only danger is the smoke the window/door up on the top can be opened to expell the smoke.
and with what will you be heating this oil in an apartment complex with little fuel and no electricity?
your plan seems... ill thought out.
the burning mattress might work in an all cement/steel building with a window.
no you don't understand, I'm workin on somethin here. This is a team build. The ultimate support class. I'm seriously thinking that the iron skillet is the best choice simply because so many of you guys will go with the spear, shovel, knife, or axe.
Think about how many things you could heat up and though on your enemies.
Think about how many things you could heat to feed to your allies.
>though
throw
hypothetically speaking, cast iron stoves/metal cans-blocks and wood door frames are not exactly hard to come by, also you'd be surprised what actually burns.
based pryo build
Hang over the banister so your spear has room for vertical movement and poke down at the enemy. Have a swordsman in front of you or at your side to deal with anyone that makes it past your spear.
Having another person makes it a different story, if I'm having to push up or down a stairwell like that, solo then my choice of weapon wouldn't be a spear, personally
hey you know a spear, you dont actually have to hold a 12ft spear at the end and thrust 11ft away, you can hold it in the middle and thrust 6ft away instead, you could even cut the spear in half, and a choke point like that makes it even more of a problem, 4 or 5 stabby short spears on a staircase is a real bad time.
i dont think anybody who thinks the spear is top tier is maintaining its the best weapon, its just its OP in most circumstances, because it makes even noobs deadly.
You can very successfully fight in close quarters with a spear. Unless there's only enough space for you to be in bad breath range of your opponent. In that case your fricking multitool ain't gonna do shit either.
>spear
Extremely underrated weapon.
They know not the secrets of the pointy stick.
Funny because it's the most common weapon in history. Most Romans, Greeks, saxons, celts all had 90% spearman as the main infantry force. Spear and shield combo is way too fricking good and easy to make compared to forging swords
Only works in a crowd. One on one you got one stab and if you miss you’re mine
Clearly never seen a spearman spar against a swordsman
think last time i saw that the conclusion was that the swordsman has to be a veteran swordsman with experience against spears if the spearman has at least had minimal training.
One of the greatest weapons in all of history. Has any weapon since achieved the same ubiquity and recognition?
Yes, it's called the sword.
the brown bess
hasnt this shit been studied and they conclusively found that the pikeman/spearman was in relation to training time/effectiveness the most OP unit that exists, like a dude with a spear and a few hours training in effective use is downright deadly and hard to deal with for any othered unit, even armored unit, cavalry, swordsmen etc
literally dangerous to any other top tier melee unit with minimal training, its not that an experienced swordsman wont wipe the floor with a spearman 1vs 1, providing he has the training to deal with it, its that you suddenly have two noob spearmen trying to kill even an experienced swordsman and the swordsman is in serious shit, i bet SHTF a light armored spearman with chainmail/leather, kevlar clothing and a ballistic vest and high quality helm is a real fricking problem for everybody if modern ammo is in short supply.
The halberd seems like a good middleground between a axe/warhammer/spear combo
Dog
Dog is ultimate weapon
Ultimate fren
A shit-tarded weeaboo pig-sticker 9000.
God this is such a moronic thread.
Any fricking questions?
Too much uni-directional spinning. Reciprocating saw variation is much more effective, like God intended. Honorable mention to the theoretical Jackhammer build.
Sirs, hello
>"you should never have cum here"
How is it a wrench?
If we're being genuine and something accessible a machete is likely best, can be used in cqc, can stab and slash
Jews.
gerber downrange tomahawk
Found the tardkov player
All of my SHTF plans revolve around ranged weapons. If I had to use melee for whatever reason I would probably improvise a spear from a glock field knife and a Very Sturdy Stick. Recently made the move to a NNN (no Black person zone) and feel like I relax a notch.
Have a scraping knife that fits like a broom stick, would take 10min to get it sharp, it has weight and i could ram it thru 3 people with little problems.
It's also free as i already own it, so this makes my one weapon pick super easy, i pick my 1911 kek
>white-background stock image thread
frick yo couch
It's magnificent
Using it's firearm feature would be absolutely awful to hold. Even as an axe it looks like a nightmare for your wrist.
SUATMM!
>Before you came into my life, I missed you so bad...
This is a very dumb meme and you should feel bad for posting it.
For me it’s the kukri.
Kudos on the water drinking, anon, stay healthy ready for the shtf
>glass jar of liquid
>book on female ejaculation
You just know
Did you chew on that bullet behind the screen?
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go frick yourself.
is the joke that the oera linda and female ejaculation are both fraudulent myths
The joke is in your pants little man
my penis is no laughing matter
upgrade your battlestation, consolegay
I'm just imagining the electrical hazards that outlet faces every day
Finger gun
Don't even consider a melee weapon a weapon in a SHTF-situation. Guns are the only thing you could ever call a weapon in such a scenario. Sure, you may win an encounter or two but you are bound to lose shortly. You have two viable options:
1. Armed AND a member of a war band.
2. Being a useful and valued person to others.
board with a nail through it
Datamining glowBlack person thread
any questions?
yea
why?
no, sir.
none whatsoever.
A good Bowie Knife. Larger weapons aren't practical in most indoor spaces, are cumbersome, and aren't as versatile.
Mobility, adaptability and versatility are king in survival situations.
like that but a shotgun
I'm going with the war hammer, because it is designed to defeat helmets and light armor.
Enjoy not getting it unstuck in time to avoid the jagged piece of metal being swung at your throat by a crazed staving meth addict.
I was use the square end on a crackhead.
The way I see melee weapons, you want something that can cut or stab unarmored people in the 21st century. Our ancestors liked swords quite a bit. Also spears. All these specialized armor peircing weapons would be most useful against modern body armor, plate carriers, and helmets. However people are already quite exposed for the stabby stabby part. All that said, these are situations where you want to kill people, in which case why are you fighting with melee weapons?
For me its my pure intention
You have to be at least 18 to post here.
Excuse me?
You're fricking excused homosexual.
no ranged weapons, try again
>HEART
Just my rifle
Based.. got yourself a real Swiss army mace there. You need some kinda blade though ideally. Three inch blade. No gay serrations just need to know how to use it.
No Mexican would ever use this useless vegana tool you fricking homosexual beta male
Reliable chimpout control for decades running.
This. When Cops were men (and still are in some places) and fought hand to hand.
The holy spirit.
>The holy spirit.
A solid choice but for me, it's our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Yes, but it's the sword that He gave us.
An axe, the perfect weapon for getting through armor.
No its fricking not.
Yes it fricking is you dunce.
Provide evidence of this. You gargantuan meat gazing cum drinker.
The mace and flail are the only weapons that come close to it's effectiveness against armor, for one.
Nice proof homosexual. Like i said. You know not of what you speak.
What, you want a scientific dissertation on the effectiveness of medieval weaponry in an argument on an anime image board? You're basically asking for proof 2+2 equals four here dude.
You say an axe is the definitive armour piecing weapon, i say you're a homosexual who has no idea what hes talking about.
I win
He's right you moron blunt force concentrated in a thin surface area is what rends metal armor the best.
Win away Black person. You've probably never even swung a weapon in your life.
Flails were rarely used in real life. Poleaxes were the preferred weapon of knights.
>preferred weapon of knights.
Sounds like more a thing for the town guard to have. Knights would make better use of a weapon that can be used with a shield.
Knights rarely used shields. Their plate armor basically made them immune to most weapons of the time, so they usually used two-handed weapons. Guard usually used Halberds, with are longer than poleaxes.
huh. well if you say so
Gotta go to my garden center and pick up a Ditch Bank Blade.
Sharpen that bad boy up and you have a great pollarm.
>Ditch Bank Blade
I thought that was a Guissarme or a Voulge.
All I know is that every tool store in my rural area has them and thats what they are called.
>executioners hook
If we are talking feed and seed weapons I'd go with a high quality machete. Maybe a barbed wire wrapped 5.5 foot t-post or an 8lb maul axe
Some people call it a swing blade mmhmm I always called it a kaiser blade but some people call it a swing blade mmhmm
reminds me of the falx the dacians used against the romans so they had to adapt their armor
Spear is the only correct answer, my man.
There's no better weapon than your frens.
for me, it's the long-handled pipe tomahawk.
nice digits, btw.
checked and based.
Also kys memeflag homosexual israelite
haha
Her?
It looks cool by why would she stand with a sword outward and then bring it back for weak uppercuts exposing herself? It's contradictory to the stance she starts in.
The problem with big weapons like this is their weight. An opponent with a nimbler weapon will defeat you.
Show us your wrists.
This bad boy for when we bring in the treasoners.
Incredibly Australian
For me it's the Milwaukee Hackzall. With a 12 inch rough cut Diablo blade I can dismember with the best of them.
18" machete with a belt holster
Biggest legal in cuckafornia
>he can't even carry a 22''
Hickory axe handle
Weebs pick the katana.
Professional soldiers pick the naginata.
What about nagamaki?
Very lethal, but less wieldy.
Naginata is light enough for CQC.
Swordsmen can't get through it.
Only after the Sengoku Jidai.
Look up naginata fights on YouTube, there's videos where a 1st Dan iaijutsu master completely fails to get close enough to the naginata wielder.
>ails to get close enough to the naginata wielder
I know. Polearms are OP. There's a reason most armies used spears as the primary weapon. They basically turn peasants into lethal soldiers.
Naginata are a chick's weapon.
So's poison but when you need to kill a room full of people...
Got a Mathews TX5 compound bow at 70lb draw weight, and a 50lb PSE compound bow. I have a Kukri knife from Nepal with a 1.2kg blade (2.5lb?).. and I have a few Swedish Gransfors Bruk axes but they're too expensive to be getting into fights with.
Nagamaki or bust
Sneed
The brooklyn Shorty.
A dureable stick with a pointy end and a rock as back up.
Ontario M9, 7", 420 steel blade with the wire cutting scabbard, that shit is strong enough to blow up cinder blocks like a chisel and with the bayonnet lug i can attach it to a broom stick and make a spear.
ill just attach a strong butcher knife to a broomstick. simple as