What's with US Army in Vietnam not wearing any shirt? Is it due to the weather or just a way to show your guns if M16 isn't enough?
How come CO's allow this?
What's with US army in Vietnam not wearing any shirt?
What's with US Army in Vietnam not wearing any shirt? Is it due to the weather or just a way to show your guns if M16 isn't enough?
How come CO's allow this?
>How come CO's allow this?
Because it was fricking hot
and wet. You’d sweat through your shirt and it would stick to you. Would actually frick your skin up if prolonged
Hot, conscripts couldn't give a frick less and CO's not willing to risk getting fragged over a dress code.
It was hot and extremely humid there and troops were known to kill their cos at that time
>wear shirt
>die from heat
>take off shirt
>die from some random bug that no human has ever seen before
man shit kinda sucks ngl
>die from some random bug that no human has ever seen before
Armies and citizens of tropical countries back then don't wear a shirt and all are fine. Why are you so bothered by a single bug. Spoken like a modern soi amerigay
>Armies and citizens of tropical countries back then don't wear a shirt and all are fine.
These people are as affected by the mosquito-born diseases are are the invaders.
Nah bro, shirt technology defeated malaria
people who have lived there all their lives and have developed resistance/immunity to any local nasties, unlike the white monkeys from across the sea. Of course the white monkeys brought a whole bag full of diseases none of the locals have encountered before and have no natural immunity to.
those same dudes all died when the spanish brought over a cold you fricking moron
also people were dying all the time in africa to the tetse fly even natives
>oh noes jungle!
>ssscary bugs!
this is why you burgers cannot into jungle warfare; you're already defeated by your moronic assumptions before you begin
Malaria has been fricking over people for a while now.
>but there's medicine
Yeah, still knocks you out of combat for a bit. If you get it and are treated for it.
Reminds me of that one game where play a Merc who has malaria the whole time which I thought was utterly hilarious because you would actually be shitting and vomiting your life away
Far Cry 2?
Temperate countries have their own threats, but most don't really view them as such because they've grown up in that environment. Americans in particular just seem to have major difficulty wrapping their heads around the idea that you have to adapt to a different operating environment, that's all. In the tropics you can get typhus and get sick; up norf you can fall into a freezing lake, get hypothermic and die in literal minutes; or a cold snap can kill you in a matter of hours from exposure. Do you really think the jungle is scarier than a place where the literal air can kill you in hours?
Personally, I blame Hollywood coverage of 'Nam. They have a vested interest in portraying that war as a mistake, plus they deal in drama, so they big up the threat. "Look, it's such a scary place, I told you it was a bad idea, I told you so, look, it's so scary!"
If indig armies can survive in the jungle literally bare-ass naked, so can you.
Oh my, as many as 20,000 fatalities across the couple billion people living in Asia, whatever shall we do. That's like, as many gun homicides in the USA in 2020.
In cold operating climates you have gov't issue cold weather gear, which for the most part works really well. To counter insects and foliage you get cancer.
t. Louisiana native
If you catch the severe version of JEV there's nothing doctors can do. It's a death sentence. Treatment is entirely palliative
Good thing there's a vaccine. But a few decades ago, you'd be fricked
Enjoy your Japanese encephalitis
>saying Wuhan Coronavirus is racist and many NGOs gave strong condemnation against it
>we still have to say Japanese encephalitis, West Nile virus, Ebola virus, etc.
Weird.
Why not post about dengue if you get and don't receive medical intervention, you'll bleed to death out of every orifice because your body stops producing platelets.
Great, go ahead and show us your jungle adaption prowess, eurotrash. If you can't you're less of a man than the people you sob about.
>Is it due to the weather
The thought to look at a fricking map never crossed the barren wasteland of your mind?
Like a regular shit's gonna help.
solution: everybody wears mesh shirts!
A mesh shirt is actually super fricking warm as a base layer in winter. Plus it looks sex af in the club later.
That looks extremely fruity.
Basement Black folk will never understand. A friendly norwegian guy introduced them to me and I would always recommend them for arctic climate.
I'm too sexy for Da Nang
Too sexy for Da Nang
It was a real war, anon. Shit got gnarly and chains of command frequently broke down.
Why adhere to regs when half your unit got blasted and you haven't heard from command in a week?
Pretty much this, regulation was out the window, writing on helmets, drug and alcohol use in the feild, custom and non standardized weapons, executing prisoners and wounded enemies, penal drafts ect you'll see it all make a big comeback when there's another real nasty war pic related. When you want to win
>nooooo you can't mount a minigun on your tank
lmao pussy
They basically made a real-life Baneblade
My dad was there. He said it was hot and humid as frickall and there wasnt much in the way of AC.
>jungle combat
>desert combat
Which one is worse?
Nobody here knows because nobody here has fought in both.
Fought in desert but trained in both. I’d say desert is worse.
IMHO, desert.
Leaving the issue of combat ops aside, say you're lost in the jungle for 30 days. With bushcraft you can make yourself very comfortable, as all around you are resources; water, wood, all manner of living things to consume. You get lost in the desert for 30 days? There's literal jack fricking shit all around. If you don't have water, you will die in a handful of days.
Read the frickups the SAS experienced back in their youngest days operating in Africa. Loads of them just plain died of the desert after getting separated or stranded.
Both are very unpleasant. Sure, in the desert it's hot and there's no water. So, without water you'll die pretty quickly. Also, without shade, the sun can burn you pretty severely, heck, it can even make you go blind.
The jungle is different. It'll make you rot away slowly. Sure, there's water, but often it's full of bacterias and parasites. A simple cut can get infected and lead to some very nasty infection that will kill you. There are tons of dangerous and nasty animals that can hurt, poison, kill you (snakes, mosquitos, ants, spiders, crocodiles, centipedes, tigers, big monkeys, toads, larvaea and vermin of all kind). Also, the jungle is humid, which makes heat and cold more unbearable, makes your equipment rust, makes clothing heavy. The vegetation itself can be a pain in the ass to go through.
>humid
>cold more unbearable
Been to the jungle many times and if the weather gets "cold" its a blessing. Also humidity does jack shit if its cold.
For me personally I’d rather fight in a desert.
>oh no it’s cold I have to put clothes on.
Army cold weather gear is some of the best gear they issue. You’re only going to freeze to death if your CO won’t let you wear it because he’s paranoid about heat casualties.
>it’s cold I have to put clothes on
>Army cold weather gear is some of the best gear they issue
There you go then. You just need the proper training and equipment, and frick me, the American army has oodles of equipment, and I don't believe you fellows skimp on training either. At bare minimum, you will I'm sure fare a tad better than the other armies operating in the tropics, if only by sheer brute force of the massive logistical support you have.
>but anon, we're not experts in jungle warfare like other armies are
What inherent advantage do other tropical armies have over the US? Technical skill? Equipment? You can learn the former and buy the latter. The only thing really holding you back is this self-defeating mindset that erodes morale long before you ever set foot in the jungle battlefield.
F Spencer Chapman said it absolutely right - The Jungle Is Neutral.
>To counter insects and foliage you get cancer
So how do other armies do it? And can you really do no better?
You can't train and equipment away rot. Sure if you just casually camp out in the marsh it's a bit different but that hasn't stopped me from getting trench foot on multiple occasions. If I had an endless supply of socks and access to a dryer it might have been different but that's just the way it is. You can only wear so much netting before it gets ridiculous. Not to mention an army consists of dudes from all over the biospheres and no amount of training at tigerland can acclimate you to soup air. You're constantly wet, reliant on the sun to dry your shit when it's not monsoon season and trusting the governments defoliants not to make your nuts shrivel up and fall off. It's a shit place to be all around.
>It's a shit place to be all around
I agree. But you know what? The enemy is suffering just as badly - worse in fact, because the US Army can provide more kit, better medical care, climate-controlled base camps, and oodles of firepower to kill and maim more of them than they do of you.
Repeat: The Jungle Is Neutral.
A bullet kills you as easily as it kills the enemy. It too is neutral. So why are Americans so much more confident in facing bullets than they are of facing the jungle? Because I'm sure in, say, the Fulda Gap, or New York, or Kuwait, Americans don't dither and second-guess the odds of catching a bullet the way they do the odds of catching malaria, right? And yet bullets and disease kill on both sides of the battlefield without fear or favour, no?
Mindset.
>What inherent advantage do other tropical armies have over the US?
experience.
Experience is just learning, practice, and CONFIDENCE. The former two can be obtained, the latter is, by the looks of this thread, just completely non-existent
Just one guy's opinion but between humid and dry heat I prefer dry
t. Texan who moved from Florida
Tundra combat
You cannot control the cold
Has there been any wars fought on tundra?
I think Russo-Finnish war and lapland war might have had some of that but it was very small part of whole war
Tundra is difficult to fight in as it becomes very muddy in the summer
Most of tundra is just treeless wasteland with reindeer Black folk
Aleutian Islands campaign in WWII
a lot if not most of the Aleutian Islands are classified as tundra
oh and I completely forgot about the Falklands War, the islands of which switch between subpolar and tundra
Svalbard island chain north of Norway has the claim of of one of the highest latitude campaigns ever mounted.
Basically was coastal raids by naval fleets and two weather stations who did minor raids on each other until they realized the winter fricked them both up and they held a temporary alliance against the elements by sharing quarters and supplies.
Artic and extreme cold combat sounds awful. Read a WW2 eastern front memoir and he mentioned it was so cold some night both Germans and Russians would occupy opposite side of a stack of hay for the night only to part ways in the early morning and continue fighting until night time where they would all retreat back to their shared hay pile. Seems people are okay with dying to combat sounds but no one wants to freeze to death.
yeah cold is absolutely the worst
I don't think Svalbard is considered tundra.
Arctic yes.
And yes cold is utter garbage.
In tundra no matter what time of year it is you will find frozen earth when you start digging and there is pretty much no vegetation to hide in or use to make fire.
most of the Russians who died there were moronic conscripts who didn’t have sufficient training. I remember seeing a photo of some mongs in a foxhole frozen to death where they slept and a simple shelter canopy could have contained their body warmth enough to survive.
>most of the Russians who died there were moronic conscripts who didn’t have sufficient training
many such cases
The winter war was mostly fought in thick forests however
I have done hard physical labor in both, desert is worse because of the lack of shade.
Having spent a few years living in a jungle climate and been out in the desert a few times, I'd assume desert combat would be worse, if only because in the jungle you can easily find a tree to sit under to keep the sun off you and water to sit in to help keep you cool.
Tundra because cold physically hurts.
As for hot options, depends on the jungle, if both are same temp, the jungle is worse.
Survival is much harder in the desert but we're talking about combat specifically here.
Combat is probably much easier.
>Which one is worse?
Cold weather. Why do you even need to ask?
Boreal and alpine
Have you ever been in a humid area? When humidity is high you'll almost never seem to be able to get dry. I visited the Bahamas once and when I left my swimming trunks out to dry for a whole day, they were still wet. Now imagine going days at a time in the bush in clothing that will always be wet and tell me you wouldn't be fricking miserable
>How come CO's allow this?
Difficult to punish a significant portion of your guys over something relatively minor especially when they probably were drafted to go over there in the first place.
Plus it was hot and humid.
Plus you weren't sure why you were there either.
Plus nobody at home liked you. Your troops barely liked you.
So... frick it.
Most draftees were sent to Europe. It's an urban myth that every draftee was sent to Vietnam
I didn't know that but it doesn't help morale if they had the same misconception at the time which doesn't in turn help discipline which leads to hot, sweaty men with their shirts open in the jungle
OwO
Got any source for that? Not acting like a basedjak, just interested about the topic and would like to read more.
He’s lying
Its hot as balls idiot
ITT: soidrinking Amerigays only used to living in a 100% climate controlled environment
Khmer Army don't wear any armor like Spartans while Americans are afraid of opening up their sleeves due to "insects".
Can't wait till Russian and Chinese armies exposed your troony army.
tl/dr dilate
This post is extremely low quality
your retort doesn't change the fact that this thread is full of "n-n-no, we can't fight in the jungle, it's too humid, we kneel WE KNEEL"
Other posts being moronic doesn't make your post less moronic
There are parts of the globe where we might send troops where you can't stay outside for more than half an hour outside during the night without permanent damage because of the cold. Now compare that with the heat, if your soldiers have water they will be okay and they will simply whine. Heat can be beaten, cold cannot
>t.
>all talk no trousers
>Its europeans/whites who created jungle warfare
THEN FRICKING OWN IT, FOR FRICKS SAKE, DON'T JUST GO ROUND WHINING ABOUT THE HUMIDITY
Your women suck our wieners while you cry here browncel homosexual
Its europeans/whites who created jungle warfare
>SEA troony cuck calling anyone sois
Kys
>descendants get colonized by the Japanese and French
heh nothing personal
>Thailand
>descendants get colonized by the Japanese and French
Here's a product of Amerihomosexual education. Keep on dilating homosexuals lol
what's even funny is that the vietcong army didn't wear any of those armor like flak jacket nor boots. Dudes look like hippies on vacation with ak47 but still won the war. Fricking amerigays haven't won a war since ww2 and I shit you not they will be exposed hard by the chinks and ruskies.
you're really desperate for those (You)s aren't you
Name one war they have won
Korea - Stalemate
Vietnam - Communist control established
Desert Storm - Left with Saddam still in power
Desert Storm 2: Islamic Boogaloo - Fricked that country up so bad that we got kicked out by Iraq
Afghanistan - LOL
The domestic wars aren't going so hot either
War on Drugs - States de facto legalizing drugs
War on Poverty - West Coast cities are starting to build state sponsored favelas
War on Terror - We literally created ISIS, Armed the Taliban and run guns to cartels
i'm not even american, you're completely moronic
Maybe define what winning is first and why you define it that way, because you obviously don't think defeating the opposing army and toppling their government counts.
Add in Ukraine War and things are looking so bad for the "most powerful country in the world".
>Great, go ahead and show us your jungle adaption prowess, eurotrash. If you can't you're less of a man than the people you sob about.
You should ask Canadians about that. It's probably the reason they hired someone who is born in the jungle to lead their troony army lol
>India
>jungle
Black person what
>https://chainomad.com/does-india-have-jungles/
Another product of amerihomosexual education here lol
>Korea - Stalemate
Pretty much a Korean victory. North Koreans still have their government and if unification one day comes, I don't think the south will be as friendly to US as they are today. Also South Korea pretty much leeched off their progress from US taxpayers. I don't think an American gained a benefit from a Korean aside from being able to watch plastic kpop women
>when shitskins seethe so hard about america they create a alternative reality in their double digit IQ minds
hurry up amerigay don't you have an army march to attend to lol
>posts a video that isn't about the army much less in America
peak shitskin turd worlder post
>shitskin
>hating and seething your own gender identity professor
not very inclusive there anon lol
>Farlow’s, in LONDON
>is in America
You’re a sad little hapa with no identity. Don’t go shoot up another college or run women over you fricking disgusting mutt
Hey, the UK hasn't become the 51st state yet (God willing it never will, you guys are great but I don't wanna live with you).
Hapacel is mad that no woman wants his shrimpdick lmao
You britbongs are always so mad your shitty island lost it's stranglehold over world trade and had to be carried in TWO world wars, plus your allies were defeated by fricking bids so kys.
>What's with US army in Vietnam not wearing any shirt?
Way of coping with the heat + humidity
>How come CO's allow this?
Because it's not worth getting fragged to enforce the grooming standard.
Vietnam or Grenada which one was more aesthetic?
Dawg, it was over 100° in 100% humidity. I wouldn't have been wearing clothes at all
This should clear things up.
>How come CO's allow this?
The Army officer corps in Vietnam was essentially powerless against these kind of widely popular violations of regulation. None of them wanted to get fragged or shot by their own men out on patrol. The Army hasn't seen anything like Vietnam, and never will again. Truly a fricking wild conflict.
Only 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam in the span of 20 years.
Dude I flew to Hawaii once wearing a silk shirt. I looked like a million bucks. Plane landed and we had to walk between terminal outside. a short 50 yard dash. By the time I entered the other terminal I looked like I fell in to a pool of water. Never wear silk in the tropics!
>NOT A EXIT
Jesus Christ
No one gave a frick about troops on deployment until the mid 2000s
That might be comfortable until you have to deal with the fricking sunburns
soul
Body like a Hawaiian, face like a high school white boy
It's hot and humid
Like your mother's pussy
So I live in an area that goes from 0 F winter to 100 F summer with full humidity, and I spend hundreds of hours a month in the wilderness no matter the forecast.
I am currently covered in bug bites, and yesterday every spider in the forest decided to put up a new web, which was fricking weird as hell and very... inconvenient for me.
Give me a cruel North American winter over anything else - frozen ground, frozen bugs, and I can always put on another layer.
If I go to hell it will be a jungle conscript themed hell because that's my worst environment. I lived in the Arizona desert in a house infested with bark scorpions and it wasn't so bad - it's not the heat, it's the humidity.
Youve never been in the Infantry huh OP?
>how come CO’s allow this
Lets see:
>officers getting friendly fired happened so much it got an actual term, fragging
>literal conscripts getting shoved right into the jungles
>early adopted M16’s were fricked with on purpose because ordnance was filled with genuine fudd stereotypes
>biological, chemical, and psychological warfare up the ass
>everything was just one bad day from going nuclear with the soviets
>psych drugs all over the damn place both at home and abroad
>the 60’s in general was a time of social strife for pretty much everyone
I would think that CO’s had far more important shit to worry about than people opting to go shirtless in a hot, humid jungle.
Whites hate brutally hot and humid climates. That’s all. If it’s between hot and cold we’d rather have the cold.
thanks for the input Juan
anon have you ever been to a tropical country
it's hot and humid as frick but there's no sand to get all up in your shit
why wouldn't you wear as little as feasibly possible
Literally a 110-degree sauna in the asiatic jungles, moron.
Because it was hot as frick. Why are you so fricking moronic?
You've never hiked with a wet shirt under the sun, anon? Your skin gets real irritated.
its a chad thing, you wouldnt understand.
Conscript army. You can't kick out draftees because you don't like how they dress.
>shitskin malding so hard he's dumping a literal Black person troony folder
lmao, i wish i was American to make subhumans seethe this hard by simply existing
>i wish i was American
>please gib green card I am so poor
man you make me laugh so hard
>it's a /misc/tourist
>lives in such a shithole he even refuses to post his real flag
kek
kek like this homosexual wishing he is american
>How come CO's allow this?
Why get fragged by your boys for being a punk ass b***h that wants to enforce parade style shit in the middle of the jungle?
Burgers don't understand how unbearably hot and humid southeast asia is.
Not as hot as their women.
South Vietnan was a tropical country, it was very hot and during the monsoon season, very humid. CO'S allowed it because it was something so minor and because it was the 1960s, regulations weren't that enforced.