What's the military plan at Bakhmut?

What's the military plan at Bakhmut?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hmm we're killing (3:1, 5:1, or 7:1) Russians for every Ukrainian.
    >We should take advantage of this for as long as possible.
    Thats literally it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Noooo you h-have to retreat because w-well you just have t-to!!!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh they're gonna die. 100s will be trapped, but it will be regarded as a worth cost.

        https://i.imgur.com/Km5NIFw.jpg

        Take your pick of statistics, none of them are real anyway, some say the Russians are the ones with a 7:1 K:D. Its all shite.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          except russians can't post a field with dozens upon dozens of dead ukrainians and can't post ukrainians dying by the dozen in 20 different videos daily. so yeah, whatever they say is a complete bullshit and projection.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anyone claiming the fucking attackers going up against a heavily entrenched position are pulling a 7:1 K/D is on some seriously strong military-grade copium.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, you're the only cranial nullity claiming a 7:1 K:D ratio in favor of the Russians. Go play in traffic, you retarded vatmoron. I'm going to brick in your goddamn mouth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ayy of course those filthy Brutes are supporting Putin

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's mass execution of Russian POWs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A random field is not representative of an overall battle of the scale of Bakhmut.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ye, if only a certain leader of a certain PMC came out on video repeatedly and 'bragged' about losing hundreds EACH DAY as part of his political beef with the Russian MOD... guess we'll never know

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >yes that's a field of dead Russians but I'm talking about a different field of dead Russians!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You do not recognize the bodies in the minefield.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Prisoners don't count, they were just bait to flush out Ukrainian positions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wagner is using elite and veterans in bakhmut. The prisoners thing ended more than a monmth ago.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The guy who got clapped by Trench Rambo was GRU spetsnaz. Russians are literally wasting their top tier special forces spearheading infantry assaults on a small town with situational strategic value, and the situation isn't there.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The guy who got clapped by Trench Rambo was GRU spetsnaz
                We can conlcude that by his kit alone?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By all the loot that was posted after videos.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Ukie guy searched him after and found his GRU ID card.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I guess all those backflips while throwing hatchets at wood didn't help out any in the end. Who would of guesses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The situation is that Bakhmut was a fortress city that has become the centerpoint of the Ukrainian military.
                They pretty much have to take it now. Doing so would basically cripple Ukraine. More than even Kharkiv or Kherson.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Posts that make you realise pro-russians not only can't read topo maps, but can't read ANY maps

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why learn to read when you can just copypaste from the script *~~*~~)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bakhmut was a fortress city
                oh, boy
                Bakhmut was an ordinary little town in a highly rural area
                the only plausible reason russia attacked it two months ago was in the hope of grabbing it after the loss of kherson so they could say they took a city and push the kherson loss off the front page
                turned out to be just another russian failed
                surprise!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bakhmut was a big deal when Russia held Izyum, meaning that for the past half a year, Russians have been throwing themselves at a town that really just opens the way to the next couple of towns so they can repeat the process all over again.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bakhmut was a fortress city that has become the centerpoint of the Ukrainian military
                LMAO...Ukraine has like 3 battalions defending Bakhmut, but it is in their best interest for everyone to believe vatnigs screeching that the entire UAF is there

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you pretend the dead Russians don't count, then Russia has had 0 KIA.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine through its Allies has access to the best human and signals intelligence in the world through MI6 and the NSA. They will be fully aware of what units are being formed, moved to the front, merged and destroyed through attrition. They are in a vastly better position than Russia to decide when the tipping point is. Russias intelligence networks never recovered after the mass expulsions of spies in the wake of the skripal poisonings. Even before then they were heavily penetrated.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i'm still going to fail you in tactics 101.
          there's a reason every front line ever is kept straight.
          not retreating while getting outflanked is retarded.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm still going to fail you in tactics
            You're a nobody with no knowledge or information about anything. Sit down and be humble.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            although I would be inclined to agree with you, this is Russia we're talking about.

            They weren't able to capitalize on literaly a single battlefield advantage they had from the beginning.

            Not saying it still can't happen, but I've hear 2 weeks ago when Yahidne went down that it will fall in the next few days.
            Yet here we are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care what you think. You wait to the last moment, retreat, let Russia push into prepared defences and then counter attack into extended forces with stretched supplies and logistics.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ukraine doesn't have the ability to do any of that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It literally did it in the autumn and has only gained equipment since then.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that was different retard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you pretend the Ukrainians' past actions don't count, then they've shown no capacity to do such things.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you pretend a lightly defended area, when the front was twice as long, when russia had half the manpower it does today is a comparable situation to the options available to ukraine now today, it is
                sorry buddy, the low hanging fruit has been picked.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't wait to see what the Russians' plans for defending against the next Ukrainian offensive are like. I heard Gerasimov's named it Operation Cannot Possibly Fail a Third Time

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No kidding, so you do what Ukraine has been doing for months and retreat. It's just that in Bakmut they only need to retreat by a few hundred meters at most.
            Under those circumstances, why would they want to retreat all the way out of the city unless they have to (and right now they don't)?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not every tactic is universal. Take the Battle of Kursk, in which the Russians maintained a large salient jutting into German lines, and fortified that area specifically because they knew they could bait the Germans into attacking it and suffering disproportionate casualties.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also the incident in Ukraine circa 1943 where the commander of a tank army IN A BRIDGEHEAD OVER THE DNEPR was like
              >comrade stalin we cannot hold here, the enemy is too strong, we have suffered incredible casualties, the line is at risk of breaking
              and stalin went
              >...hmm, actually ok that makes sense, in that case you can leave the bridgehead
              >AND GO TO THE BRIDGE HEAD 20 KM NORTH INSTEAD
              >you'll have better odds there!
              And it fucking worked.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm still going to fail you in tactics 101
            Yeah.
            Also if you keep your lines straight how do you ever encircle anyone?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ensquare them

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Underrated post

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're a gay and your mom failed me on her knees lol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >let's back up 20 km from this easily defensible city into these untenable plains instead because this incredibly slow and incredibly easy to track army made up of almost exclusively infantry and artillery at this point is threatening our flanks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you think the entire Ukrainian Army is in Backmoot?.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The entire HATO armies are getting destroyed there. Russia is instoppable.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >there's a reason every front line ever is kept straight.
            Sorry, what now?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To the Russians and sympathizers in the audience, can you guys name any battle since 1860 in which an entrenched defender and and attacker of similar size had a battle where the attacker did not outhumber the defender in casualties? This just seems a highly unlikely occurance especially when both sides have similar artillery capability.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukies have been spamming JDAMs recently

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hmm we're killing (3:1, 5:1, or 7:1) Russians for every Ukrainian.
      LOL you cucks can't even decide which specific lie to push at this point.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He cited NATO intelligence, dumb 4chanchud

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tapa ittes, pikkuryssä.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're brown and stinky.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia sponsors fags to lie about Binlan on youtube
        >retards pay with all their material possessions to get smuggled to Europe
        >half of they die before they cross the Med
        >half get caught on the way or die suffocating in a truck
        >the ones that finally get there discover you have to work, it's cold, dark and everybody expects you to be both polite and also fuck off
        >can't even hope to get adopted by some crazy chick who's into darkies because there's literal africans who are better educated than you, speak Suomi fluently, serve in the army along with everyone else and have jobs
        >get deported or suicide

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >made up numbers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even if Bakhmut ends up encircled, and all the soldiers inside end up dead or POWs you fags will still cry about le ratio. Stop with the PrepHoleopium. The doubts about Ukraine's decisions when it comes to Bakhmut are justified

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, you are completely right.

        Completely unrelated, did you know that during WW2, the British, yanks, fins etc had absolutely no idea they would land in France until the day before, at best? A lot were very sceptical about a supposed counter invasion in Norway of all places. Anyway, operation Fortitude was very successful in the end, as you well know

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The plan is probably to hold the line, but it is failing.
    Someone in command fucked up big time. Ukrainians threw elite veteran troops and when those got eliminated, they began sending the troops trained for the big offensive in the UK into the meatgrinder.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TDF are not "elite troops," what sort of copium are you on?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Whats Ukraines plan in Bakhmut?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      WHEN YOU BLAB, YOU PUT BODIES ON THE SLAB.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The plan is dogged defense, like it's been from the start of the war. Like in Severodonetsk when the units started withdrawing and command rushed in everything they could find immediately.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out a meat grindr is what Ukraine wanted all along

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukranian men have proven to be a threat to democracy. They're right wing, nationalistic, and willing to take up arms. Both sides need these hazards liquidated, and Bakhmut is a suitable meat grinder. Zalenski can sue for peace once Khazaria is cleansed of the ukro menace.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which would make sense if the Russian side wasn't getting depleted there. How do you manage to tie your own shoelaces, garbage boy?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No one said they're smart, they got played like marionets like all the other nationalistic groups, only difference is there were men among them willing to fight. After the cleansing, Ukraine's democracy won't have to worry about these extremists ever again.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And here's part two of my ongoing fanfiction, please engage with it!
      You're going to star in one of those drone videos, pidorashka.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia has proven itself retarded at basically every stage of the conflict.
    Ukraine so far as men and material left to toss into the meat grinder.
    So its whether the Russians will ruin things for themselves once again, or the Ukrainians will finally run out of geezers and engineers to dump on the front lines. Whichever comes first.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Throw more bodies at the machine gun nest on the top of the hill" tactics.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    As God intended. Tyrone and the nigglets was da real Ukrainians n shieeet.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >posting Ukraine census data is a bannable offense on PrepHole
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It feels like they want to keep the Russians pinned down around Bakhmut as long as possible in preparation for some type of larger offensive this spring once they get all the fancy western armor ready. After Severodonetsk/Lysychansk the Russians had to take a several month operational pause due to the causalities they sustained. If Russia does end up taking Bakhmut, which I would say is likely it was at such a high cost not just in general but also to their ability to defend the entire front.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Difference for Severodonestk and the like, was that Russia was still running a skeleton crew back then.
      Their biggest issue early in the war was that they only had a few thousand guys to spare anywhere. The Ukrainians vastly outnumbered them so every advance the Russians made had to be slow and careful.
      Now, they actually have troops to spare and use.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Now, they actually have troops to spare and use
        lolwut

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Ukranians want as many Russian forces pinned there and away from wherever their offensive if planned for.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the offensive is heading straight towards Moscow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia's manpower situation changed vastly since then. Between prisoners, new conscripts, and mobiks they added 600,000 men. A horrendous number are injured, dead, or captured, but they still have plenty.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hmm we're killing (3:1, 5:1, or 7:1) Russians for every Ukrainian.
      >We should take advantage of this for as long as possible.
      Thats literally it.

      >muh KDR
      lmao that is pure PrepHoleopium. The real reason Zelinsky is going to order the defense of Blackmutt to the last Ukrainian is because muh symbolic victory. That's about it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if Bakhmut ends up encircled, and all the soldiers inside end up dead or POWs you fags will still cry about le ratio. Stop with the PrepHoleopium. The doubts about Ukraine's decisions when it comes to Bakhmut are justified

        >made up numbers

        https://i.imgur.com/10jdmSq.jpg

        >Hmm we're killing (3:1, 5:1, or 7:1) Russians for every Ukrainian.
        LOL you cucks can't even decide which specific lie to push at this point.

        https://i.imgur.com/Km5NIFw.jpg

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was about to fall.
          It is still about to fall.
          Video has stayed true for 2 months, a record of accuracy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do plebbitors think spring is a good time for an offensive? Look up rasputitsa or bezdorizhzhia.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they're thinking of late spring early summer, hoping that its warmer than expected like the winter was and some of the ground will dry

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you've been paying attention to the weather conditions the ground really hasn't set throughout the entire winter season and has been persistently like that since it started getting mushy last year.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since a month ago? None. Top leadership has been throwing good after bad despite the situation being completely unfavorable for UA defense.
    It was a decent suggestion to pullback in January. It was prudent to do so in February. It is mind-boggling that they're still there in March.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of descision will it be to hold the city through April?
      What about May?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Russians could be signing a treaty of surrender next summer and we would still have the daily "zomg you have to surrender Bakmut" threads.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Doubt it. All the cringe is coming from the trannies who refuse to populate 4chan.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >despite the situation being completely unfavorable for UA defense.
      There's absolutely zero indication of this, and plenty of evidence of the opposite. This strategy of yours only serves to make you look like the cheap glavset cock you are.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Boknewtnewt is important until it is not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >despite the situation being completely unfavorable for UA defense.
      There's absolutely zero indication of this, and plenty of evidence of the opposite. This strategy of yours only serves to make you look like the cheap glavset cock you are.

      my take is the Ukies are throwing fodder to hold Bakhmut at a favorable K/D while saving their actual decent trained troops and equipment for the offensive. It's been confirmed they are sending in guys with 2 weeks of training to hold a position with minimal support until they die while the actual Ukraine soldiers act as barrier troops

      shitty for the conscripts but it makes sense for Ukraine to do it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine has been doing constant troop rotations at Bakhmut, retard. Guys go in, get a couple weeks in Bakhmut, kill a few Russians, come out with combat experience, get moved elsewhere.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're gonna make it their stalingrad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's already gone on longer than Stalingrad

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: "the most upvoted comments on Reddit said ukraine is winning"

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Retard here, I just pulled an hypothesis out of my ass and I'm gonna write my uninformed fanfiction here :

    Ukraine is afraid that after they take Bakhmut the Russians will stop going on the offensive and will prepare for the Ukrainian counter-offensive, and the experienced cunts at Wagner are gonna be very annoying in defensive positions, but since they need to take Bakhmut to earn their paycheck they have to be the ones to take it. So the price is worth it for Ukraine to kill as much Wagnerites as possible.
    Even if the Russians continue the offensive after Bakhmut, Wagner is probably not gonna take part in it, since Kramatorsk and Sloviansk are both bigger and more defended than Bakhmut, and it took 6 months and 50k convicts to take it, and now they don't have nearly as much ammunition as they had at the start of the battle for Bakhmut and have only 10k convicts left. So it's the last chance to take out Wagner while they're at a disadvantage going on the offensive.

    Also, I know that Russian artillery is shit, but they really can't control a strip of land <10km wide ? What's happening ? Have they run out of barrels ? Is their new standard "Doesn't matter if the precision is a radius of 500m, as long as it's hasn't blow up it's still usable" ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or you know it could just be an autistic battle of pride

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't have any problem retreating before

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt the NATO command would approve that, Ukrainian Generals depend on Nato for money and supplies, so I am 100% that the entire Wester military approved this plan. If so, then they approved it because it's advantageous to the Ukies otherwise they would've been 'gently' pushed to moved their troops back and don't make a fuss about it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like Severaldonuts?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My favorite plot twist to subvert everyone's expectations is that Russia isn't the soviet rape fest it used to be since all the bigger moron races are their independent countries these days (not including Chechnya, Muslim Amish are to be shot on sight for being gigger morons) and that Russia will just stay comfy at the seceding regions border along the greater Ukraine.

      What I don't understand, not talking about you, is why everyone wants Russia to fulfill their wet dreams about war and the same with Ukraine (Invading far beyond each others capital's and doing gay butt sex on everyone). I guess it has to do with the mentality that everyone wants total war as long as they think they're safe then cry and complain that they'll have to participate once the war reaches them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what the fuck are you going on about?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude. I want to call you a vatnig, but I am not sure what the fuck you are even saying my man. Learn some English for crying out loud.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good news, they really, really, really do.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Battlefield control:

    Ukraine is defending--assume 3:1 defender advantage. Russia has been stunlocked there for months, preventing them from maneuvering elsewhere. Political points--Russia has no victory to brag about.

    Even the most buckbroken vatnik knows that Bakhmut is not a favorable situation for Russia--especially when they are desperately asking for Ukraine to just surrender it to Russia already.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's the military plan at Bakhmut?
    die mostly

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's the military plan at Bakhmut?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kill as many vatniks as possible from defensive positions, eroding their eastern frontlines because the mobiks are busy doing suicidal charges instead of digging in as they are doing in the south. When the summer offence starts, the eroded eastern frontline will force the vatniks to pivot their troops from south to east, considerably weakening their ability to defend as the poorly trained troops will be moved away from familiar defensive entrenchment to somewhere else entirely. Then abuse cracks in the vatniks defensive line to find a strong angle of attack for a quick armored offensive.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but that's march 4th rather than the update yesterday from the 11th. If you read them properly it goes
      >Ukraine makes preparations as russians advance on the 4th
      >Ukrainian units pull into the western parts of the town and have set up a killzone, but there's still some risk on the flanks on the 11th

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, I posted both updates.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just checking in, has Bakmut fallen yet or not?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah they don't know anything, the general staff is just a bunch of monkeys throwing darts at a map with city names written on it. The Ukrainians attack wherever a dart lands.

    God I hate twitter, if you're not using it purely for porn then you're doing it wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Petitioning for tw*tterposting to be a site wide bannable offense.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    https://i.imgur.com/u0pphdP.jpg

    [...]
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    Vatmorons really do live in an alternate reality

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia fights urban combat by bombing indiscriminately
    >Every city wiped off the map is a beating heart of the local economy gone, requiring loads of cash and years to rebuild and repopulate
    >Therefor, as long as the situation is favourable, we keep fighting them in one city that's already destroyed instead of retreating to the next urban area and taking the war with us

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >You have no argument, this is the #35345345345345345342323 time we claimed that we've captured Bahkmut.
    I sense the curry in you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      check out the top comment kek

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Ah, the cope ad hominems have arrived. I'll help you out.

    Good day sar, would you like your own designated street today sar, we have a nice collection of toilet paper today sar.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >- Will you yield the town?
    >- Before I lose it, I will burn it to the ground. The gas station, the salt processing plant. Every last thing in Bakhmut that drives men mad.

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