What's the ideal physique for the modern solider?
I'm thinking something slightly more muscular than ottermode.
What's the ideal physique for the modern solider? I'm thinking something slightly more muscular than ottermode.
What's the ideal physique for the modern solider?
I'm thinking something slightly more muscular than ottermode.
Twink/femboy. They need to start prescribing anti-androgens to all military personnel.
based twink
kys
look at a triathelete
A slightly beefed up mile runner.
Is this the one where the guy in last place went out of his way to block the guy in 2nd place and got both him and the gold medal winner banned?
Just get lean and then slowly bulk while rucking and doing PT. Stop gaining weight as soon as you feel like it's hindering your run time.
Rucking is strength dependant. So you are right bulking is bad but building strength is everything. From rucking better times to not fricking your knees/back up.
>Rucking is strength dependant
Really? I always assumed it was endurance dependant. I actually noticed an improvement on my run times after I picked up rucking.
Running is strength dependant too. Start doing kettlebell swings and you'll break a pb.
Oh, thanks for the tip. What exercises do you recommend for improving ruck times? I'm floating around 17min/mile with low/mod vert.
Ruck more lel. But more seriously lunges and squats and stiff leg deadlifts.
If you're serious about your training try the 5x5.
Ruck 5 miles, do 100 squats with your ruck.
Drop your ruck, change into your running shoes, run 5 miles, do 100 body weight squats.
Start light and work your way up to 60lbs. The goal is to complete this under 2 hours. Do it at least twice a week, 3 is better but ONLY if you feel you are recovering adequately enough to do it thrice.
Holy shit that sounds like a good time. I'm trying it next week.
My goal is to drop a SF packet for an obscure unit in a year or two.
Well then you're right on track because I learned of the 5x5 from a former SF officer.
Kb swings and usual leg workouts, but shift from training sets to interval training. Finish off with core. Throw in some super sets every now and then.
>Legs on fire = good
>Legs failing on final rep = not good
You're looking to do movement orientated leg training that's engaging stabilizers, so squats yes, leg press meh.
This assumes that you have a decent baseline strength. If you don't then it's strength training first then interval training.
And remember it's slow muscle twitch that you're training here. So it's not "how many per minute" but rather a balance of challenging weight, proper form and consistency.
>kb swings suggested for anything, especially rucking
>t. never felt the burn of a kettlebell workout
They are the ultimate hybrid of resistance training and cardio.
Proper KB swings are based its just that morons don't know how to do them
>why no i don't understand why developing back muscles can help me in any circumstance
Ruck times are training yourself to power walk. That hits some muscle combos you just aren't normally going to feel outside of doing it. More muscle helps but it's only part of the picture. The other half is programming yourself to walk that fast without thinking about it. Nobody does it naturally. Under a 14-16min mile is it unironically more energy efficient (but horrible for your knees under load) to jog. You'll have to practice keeping up the tempo.
Stay in the aerobic (zone 2) heart rate zone and just walk faster.
lookup "knees over toes guy" on youtube.
no idea if it'll help ruck times, but it'll help make your legs feel fantastic and reduce the likelyhood of you destroying your knees.
farmer's walk
The other rpeople who replied to you are fricktarded.
Sport specificty - if you want to get better at basketball, play basketball, want to get better at rucking, ruck.
You need to progress in it, push harder, go faster, increase the pack weight, increase the incline, etc. But doing other non related or tangentially related bullshit will do little to nothing.
>kettlebell swings
Snatches are the way to go. More bang for your buck.
Caveat: endurance running is not strength dependant. I'm talking ~10-15km.
Your frame needs to be up to the task of handling the weight while fricking moving lol
conditioning and muscle is what will save you from crippling injury
I didn't say bulking is bad. I said to slowly bulk until you reach a weight you feel is beginning to hinder your running performance.
Mass moves mass. The scrawny dudes had the hardest times during the rucks and especially the sprint drag carry event in the ACFT.
>Rucking is strength dependant
No it's not lmao. I was all of 145 pounds soaking wet and 5"11 when I deployed. I routinely carried more than half my body weight in gear for 20+ klick patrols. The only strength required is to stand up under all that gear from kneeling or prone. I don't want to diminish that because it can be really fricking hard, but once you're up and under the gear, it's just endurance.
we're talking ruck times, not doing the bare minimum.
Best I did for a 12-miler was just over 2 hours with ruck, IOTV, weapon, and helmet. Best in the company, and I was probably the skinniest motherfricker there.
On the Appalachian trail, I did a lot of up and down switchbacks with a 50 pound pack and I think we did 32 miles, took all day though. That would be the closest experience I have to rucking.
The knees and back are two separate but equally important issues.
The back pulls the hip flexors and they engage in a tug of war match.
Spend 2 days running around and those back muscles can’t compete.
Lengthen your hip flexors by pressing on them.
For the knees, running pulls the patella laterally, by strengthening the adductors you can continue your running without losing your knees.
sam is peak natty
slightly muscular marathon runner in 90% of cases
quadcopter
Highest strength to weight ratio you can attain while being as well-rounded as you possibly can at near every aspect of fitness.
Mind all these assume flat ground and singular, max-effort sets. Here's some lofty goals.
Running:
>Two milers and under be a 6min/mi or faster
>3-4miles at a 7min/mi
>5+ miles at 8min/mile
Rucking:
>15min mile for twelve miles w/ 60lbn pack, ideally be able to push closer to 13min when needed.
Pushups:
>80 in a single max-effort set.
Pullups:
>15 🙂
Sit ups are gay and frick your back up but still part of the curriculum in some places
>70-80 just train your abs in other ways and you'll git gud with only a little deliberate effort spent on situps themselves
Barbell DL: 1.75x BW
Trap bar DL: 2x BW
Barbell Back Squat: 1.75x BW
Barbell Front Squat: 1.5x BW
Weighted pullup: 0.5x BW
Bench: 1.25x BW
Rear-Foot Elevated Split Squat: 1.0x BW for ten reps
Kettlebell OHP: 0.45x BW
If you like rowing:
500 meter in 1:30
2000 meter in 7:00
9ft broad jump
30" vertical jump
Not to mention being as flexible and mobile as possible because that's how you prevent injury doing all the dumb shit soldiers have to do.
Shore up your weaknesses before pursuing your strengths.
Oh yeah swimming
Uhhhh I guess
>500 yards, 8:00-10min or less
I know 12 year old girls that do a 500 in 5:30
>Sit ups are gay and frick your back up but still part of the curriculum in some places
Thats a meme. Sit ups are beneficial for the abs. The only way you're getting injured from situps is by doing it on a pile of rocks.
They can do some weird shit to your lower lumbar and hips if you're like 90% of people who look like this when you do them
Keeping a straight back is how you do them right but cadre want to see you come ALL THE WAY UP SPECIALIST, NO HALF ASSING so you curl your spine and kiss your knees to please them.
>form matters
duh
And the military's idea of what proper form is is so wrong it actively harms soldiers so the safest thing to tell morons is don't do it, so something else for your core instead.
>Barbell Front Squat: 1.5x BW
>while only able to deadlift 1.75 x bw
This ratio is literally impossible
>80 push-ups in a single max-effort set.
>Bench: 1.25x BW
IMO anything above 20 pushups per set at a time is a waste of energy but army is as army does. They like making you waste your time getting gud at repetitive muscular endurance exercises so they can show off how badass you are.
As for the rest: it's a matter of being good enough at everything, not the best at something.
muscular endurance is probably the most important for soldiers.
Those arent lofty, just near un attainable unless you keep a utterly strict training and diet regimen without anyone coming around to frick it up
>insane distance run times
>piss poor pull up/push up/sit up/weight lifting numbers
So a90lb long distance runner
>The modern fitness nerd is allergic to cardio
>Anything faster than a 10min mile and longer than 1.5 miles is "insane" and "near-olympic" performance
Just stop being a pussy and train.
I know people that run the 26 mile marathons. I know at least 2 people that have ran 50 miles. They're both short and lighter weight.
I ran (jogged actually) for 10 miles once, without slowing to a walk, and I got blisters in my shoes that then burst, that then started bleeding and by the time I finished the 10 miles I could see the blood seeping to the outside of my shoes. I was also running 4 miles a day, 4 or 5 days a week and started getting shin splints after which I switched to mostly doing the elliptical. I'm 6'1" and well over 200 pounds. It makes a difference when you start talking about the physical impacts of running or doing pull up. You can say that your body just adjusts to the weight but not really. All else being equal, a manlet will be able to do more pull-ups and have less stress injury from jumping and running. The bigger guy will be stronger but weaker pound for pound.
Someone who does a Minimal Effective Dose routine like 2x5 or 3x5, and invests the rest of their energy into actual function training like cardio, climbing, fighting, etc. Basically like an athlete, they do their base minimal strength base routine then expanded practical functional routine. You actually have to train for a function by doing the function, not by lifting weights sort of like that function. Weights don't teach you how to fight, a small welterweight would beat the shit out of a big bloated bodybuilder any day.
Someone who can run good and also lift the basic amount of weights.
When did the US Army waived the minimum height requirement for women?
They did not. The dude is tall as frick. Like 7ft tall.
holy frick
did they make a custom uniform for him?
what I was about to ask, no fricking way he can walk into a PX and grab one off the shelf
They do have XXL+ stuff in the PX. Although he likely had to have his uniform tailored to be the right size like some people.
I've know guys in the Canadian military like that. One guys uniform was 2 of the fattest avaliable size made into one. This was like 10 years ago I'm told it's gotten worse since I left.
Wouldn't be the first time a 7 footer served. Here's known rape victim and social advocate Kevin Nash during his time serving
KWAB
Imagine.
>takes hormones to mutilate its organs
>loses 30 years of life expectancy, at least
Trannies and anabolic homies aren't that different
Unironically the bean counter's wet dream. Maximum performance while you own them and then you get to stop paying them disability way sooner.
They are trannies, just mtm instead of mtf
You don't need to have an "ideal physique" to be a good soldier, just be a healthy person in decent shape. Audie Murphy was 5'5" and 112 pounds.
>Audie Murphy was 5'5" and 112 pounds.
Funny thing is there isn't a single instance of him going on record to ever complain about the weight of an M1 Garand. Little dude was tough as nails.
He also beat the shit out a car thief that was 6’3” and walked his ass into jail. When the dude found out who he was he apologized for trying to rob a war hero. By the look of it he didn’t even wrinkle his suit so doubt it was even particularly close.
Can't believe he was almost Scorpio in dirty harry
And just like all vets with little man syndrome he was crippled by PTSD, beat and threatened his first wife, got a divorce within two years, and tried to kill a civilian over a minor verbal dispute.
Maybe he was as tough as acrylic nails.
>beating women is bad.
She's not gonna frick you anon.
say his name
not small, you gotta carry around 120lbs of equipment if infrantry, huge leg muscles and big arms, strong spinal muscles and strong core
>What's the ideal physique for the modern solider?
Like this.
All of those guys would be destroyed by Gorgeous George
/k/ would unironically call these men twinks these days.
I want to vacuum gut so bad bros
Typically you have to bulk and cut. These guys likely spent the last week on a calorie deficit.
Depends on your purpose: are you kicking down doors, rucking 100 miles in 3 days, or guarding POWs? Sprinters of 100m have a different athletic shape than those of 400m, likewise the body you need to enter selection is different from one leave with, which is different than the one you build before deployment.
exercised with a bit of paunch so when they have to go out on 3MREs per day they have some fat to lose.
3 MREs a day is 5,000 calories and only below maintenance if you’re hoofing 6 miles in afghani mountains daily
>hello, yes, I don't know anything about actually doing stuff like this.
everyone loses weight on maneuvers. the less the better, but everyone loses weight, even with the best MREs available.
1200 (max) x 3 = 3600
that would mean at 5000 calories per day youd be losing about 3 pounds per week (or so).
MREs contain at max 1200 calories dude
I don't know where you got your numbers from
You aint losing weight by eating 3 mre a day unless you are burning 2k calories a day and thats just maintenance
You need to be strong enough to carry a lot of gear and you need enough endurance to carry it for a long time, but if you're stronger than that and can go farther than that you'll pretty much only ever benefit. What you don't want is for your strength and conditioning to depend on a stack of supplements and thousands of extra calories and so on that you won't have access to during a training exercise or on a deployment or during a real war.
In addition to general strength and conditioning I think it's important for soldiers to strengthen their calves and shins to prevent small injuries when moving and to strengthen their lower backs to prevent injuries from lifting heavy things in weird positions, like picking up a casualty while wearing gear or pulling someone out of a humvee through the turret hatch. You don't have to be some world class lifter able to do a 315lb Jefferson curl or whatever but taking the time to deliberately strengthen the muscles involved in bending the spine will pay dividends down the road, both during service and as one gets older in general.
Unironically ottermode.
The more muscles you have the more oxygen you require
I've seen real operators and they look kind of sinewy, lean muscle, not bulked.
Being in the field is cutting. Soldiers cycle through different looks depending on the time.
Depends on the time of year and what's coming up. As much as the army would like for the same diet and routine to work year-round for everyone at everything it's the same bulk/cut/etc cycle as in everything else involving athletic performance.
Yeah you will.
Unrelated but something else to train is your body's ability to efficiently switch to burning fat once your glycogen reserves burn off. Most people can't; they get all sluggish and crash. Is part of why the military's diet plans are so carb-centric. Mix intermittent fasting into your routine and do your endurance work while in the fasting part of the day every couple of meso cycles.
Military isn't like a triathlon. You don't get to skip an unexpected race day just because you're on the wrong part of your meso or you just got done with a 12 mile ruck the day before. No, that's not at all how you build yourself up, but you need to know what it feels like to perform while exhausted and hungry so the first time it happens for real you don't crash and burn.
Well it was fall and we were hiking the Appalachian trail. My uncle came, he had always wanted to do it and so we were doing it, a 4 day section hike. My uncle has since passed away from cancer and at that time none of us knew what he did for a living. We knew he worked in the Pentagon, had an office there, and he told us he worked with social security numbers. After he passed, I found out he was a gs15 (iirc) in Naval Intelligence. Anyway, we were on day one and these 2 guys passed us. I just thought they were random strangers. Both had on shorts and t-shirts and light ruck sights. My uncle waived at them almost like he recognized them. They had a short exchange. My uncle was like, "You're traveling light" and they said yes and told him that they would be up ahead on the trail. Anyway, they had a very specific look to their build and it was impressive. Posture was a part of it, as was the way they moved but you know, they were muscular. They looked strong but you could also see the tendon connecting the biceps to the forearm, or at least the shape of it being there. It was a combination of confidence, strength and leanness.
Long time after my uncle was gone, a family member that was closer with my uncles wife told me that he had been in charge of keeping track of where all the Navy's ships were. Maybe it was true, maybe not. I don't know but that family member went on to say that they were pretty sure the government always had people keeping track of him when he was on any kind of excursion. Honestly, it wasn't until then that I was like, "Oh, I bet that's who those 2 guys were." Personally, I've seen lots of fit dudes, lots of gym bro's, lots of athletes. This was a different look. They were very clean cut but "Hard" would be a good descriptor. Being kind of a soft wimp for the majority of my life, I was very impressed.
>people living off garbage food, no sleep, massive amounts of caffeine, ephedrine, and amphetamines, over training half the time, the other half sitting around, aren't muscular
You don't say?
Every actual high speed low drag guy I've ever seen has looked like a distance runner.
Only seen a handful of muscle head Seal bros.
Welterweight with good cardio
I don't understand WTF any of you are talking about.
Look at the one real war going on right now and tell me what fitness does for anybody. You can be fat AF and drone entire troop convoys to death day in and day out. Some dude ran 1000 miles and ate health food every day and did jumping jacks at 5am and squat thrusts all afternoon and he gets completely vaporized by some dude with one hand on a keyboard and another in a bag of Doritos.
that drone operator didn't get there on a segway, they're doing normal infantry stuff 95% of the time and only a small portion of it are they on the drone.
Yeah, being able to bench twice your body weight probably won't do you any good in itself, but being generally fit is pretty much mandatory.
Frickin why? Because your grandpa had to run every day to be ready for when his landing craft hit the beach and he had to duck between machine gun streams? Them days are over bro/
People out walking around or trying to run off an APC to go shoot up a town or something get motherfricking wrecked by drones. Dude in tank catching a ride do too. The days of soldiers having to carry a bunch of shit around all day are done because they don't even get through the day before a $25 FPV that Aliexpress just dropped off at some dude's house lights them up.
Damn you're right may as well just stay home and drink myself to death instead
>Drones means the days of lugging a bunch of shit around are over
Having a 3 digit IQ should be a requirement to post here.
Join a military and you'll understand. Fitness isn't a minor bonus, it's the bare minimum prerequisite you need to get to work without being a burden to everyone around you.
See also
Holy shit those are some weak standards.
>Member MUST achieve an aggregate score of 75 as a minimum.
Also the bench is in kg, a 15 on every event is passing, and 85 kg is 187 lbs.
The real question, is why are the Support & Specialist running standards higher than the assaulters?
although yeah, the standards aren't crazy or anything, but you've still gotta be pretty PrepHole to pass.
Support has to move heavy boxes.
>The real question, is why are the Support & Specialist running standards higher than the assaulters?
They're not. The bottom end is lower, which allows less fit people to pass. But in order to get the max score, you have to work a lot harder. It's weighted in favor of the assaulters.
Guarantee you don't break 50
Ha, I go tot he gym quite a bit and I'd be lucky to get a 40; highly doubt I could do 40 straight push-ups (set of 20 is hard for me) and I can do like 2 or 3 pull-ups in a row.
You can shame me for this all you like but I'm 6'1" barefooted and weigh like 230lbs, which is not as fat as you might think.
A lot just depends on the exercises you do. Benching more isn't going to translate 1:1 with doing more pushups. The US army standard for pushups for males under 21 is 42 and it's not that hard. When I was in the army I did zero PT outside of unit PT and consistently did 50ish and my unit's PT wasn't terribly strenuous, although it did vary a lot between being a joke and actually pretty good.
What I'm trying to say is if you trained pushups as much as you do bench and other upper body lifts, you could easily do 50+ pushups.
Also worth keeping in mind that lower body weights make bodyweight movements disproportionately easier because of allometric scaling. A 220lb guy doing 45 push ups will take much longer to reach and literally require exponentially more strength than doing 45 push ups. In other words, a 220 lb guy doing 45 push ups will not be 2x harder than a 110lb guy doing it, but more like >3x harder
Uh, push-ups to bench might not be a 1 to 1 but I just did some push-ups. I did a set of 25 and it sucked. I weight 230 pounds. The internet says that a push up is 64%. .64x230= 147 pounds. So, I understand there are stability and accessory muscles that make it different but basically, it's 67 kilograms for a rep of 25. So, whatever that would equate to on a bench. I don't lift. I bike, row and run with a few core exercises, push-ups and pull-ups thrown in just because. I'm also 46 years old and sit at a computer all day. So, whatever.
Holy shit I hate calisthenics.
Manlet
Just look at Audie Murphy and Simo Hara
manlet if you are a tanker or tunnel rat
You get the body you feed. If you don't have enough, you'll see all of those muscles whither away. If you have a lot of protein you don't have the time anyways outside of your duties to workout until you are pulled off the front line. You at least need a body good enough to perform manual labor according to your trade. Having done hard manual labor in my life, you will still look skinny even if you carry 60kg bags everywhere. The military is also not interested in body building. They want an athletes build. Muscles and endurance where it is needed and no where else, unless you personally fund it.
>You get the body you feed.
I've been working out pretty consistently but recently changed my diet to drastic effect. I eat as much as I need to but I'm mildly hungry a lot of the time. The thing is, it's a very different type of hungry from what I used to experience, which was more of an addiction withdrawal.
So, what I was previously doing was trying to get regular exercise and keeping my daily calorie count in check. If I was having a stress day at work, I would get a candy bar on break. After all, it's only 200 calories. So, I'd make note of that and roughly try to keep the total number down for the day. Then one of the podcasts I had been listening to had Dr. Lustig on it and the podcast really got me riled up and changed my diet. 2 more podcasts that I watched not long after also improved my diet further and the weight started quickly dropping off without much increase in exercise.
My information came from 3 podcasts:
>Food industry is purposefully addicting you to sugar
Listened and immediately boycotted anything with "added sugar" while also adding some fiber to every meal. I started cooking with only Kerrygold butter (which I already knew) and tried to avoid seed oils. In addition to that I started eating a small amount of probiotics daily for gut health. Lastly, while I was only drinking mildly one day a week, I limited myself to exactly 1 shot of alcohol per week which I have strictly for social reasons.
>Sugar spikes are bad!
Listened and gave up all sweet treats and that fiber I was adding to every meal, I started the meal with.
>"Secret" ingredients of fast food
Listened and stopped eating that last bit of fast food that I was occasionally having because of all the pointless ingredients.
A buddy also told me to take whey protein. So, I do that now too.
If you're cutting out added sugar and eating fiber, you really don't need to calorie count. Your body knows how many calories it needs, it's just carbohydrates without fiber mess up your body signalling how hungry you are.
There's a great book by Jason Fung called "The Obesity Code" that's excellent.
Also iodine conspiracy is real. I started taking iodine and I very quickly stopped having cravings for salty food and soda (soda has a stupid amount of sodium in it).
>/misc/ screencap
no thanks
>being iodine deficient to own the chuds
No, while fiber matters, what matters is how nutritionally dense your foods are. The more dense it nutritionally is, the less hungry you get. Whats also important is to keep track how much your body burns a day to maintain your physique because you also want to maintain your muscles and keep a bit of fat in you.
>muh sodium
Your sodium levels should be fine as long as you take potassium. Potassium acts as a antithesis towards sodium in a way. Regardless, if you're exercising and in need of hydration, sodium is important for your body to maintain hydration.
They gave the shorter guys the machine guns in WW2 make of that what you will
Femboy, so you can pass them around the barracks
Sam seems like a cool guy but Holy frick there's no way he makes it to 40
Alex Viada.
Deadlift 700 lbs and run 50 mile ultramarathon in the same week.
Big traps, forearms, spinal erectors, glutes, quads, calves, abs, obliques.
Being very tall and very short is bad in the modern day, but I wonder what is the optimum height for near future soldiers. Especially with mechanized exoskeletons . 5'5"? 6'0"? 5'0"?
>under 6' over 5'6", under 200lbs
>hiker physique (strong calves, core, and back)
>base line physical fitness (300 APFT score, baseline) well above average
>Cardio oriented training and background
>strong hands, forearms
audie murphy was under 5'6
High endurance with moderate muscle. Bodybuilder types are too fat and skellingtons too weak for GI stuff.
I read that in the marine's maneuver-under-fire course part of it involves throwing a dummy hand grenade into marked circle 22.5 yards away, but I've never been able to find what the diameter of the circle is.
Probably 45 yards.
Circumference? I can't imagine the circle itself being bigger than the distance.
It was a joke anon, as in he stands at the edge of the circle and tries to throw it towards the middle.
It's probably related to the grenade's kill radius. 5m kill radius? 5-10m target diameter.
When I was in the army they used hula-hoops. I recall the distance being something like that.
Look at ranger regiment physiques then you’ll have your answer
Passing your PT is the only thing the military cares about. You can tell your entire leadership to get fricked and you should before a pt test because leadership that doesn't like you will pile up strenous stuff before pt tests, or try and pull shit like make you do a PT test on the weekend then send you to another unit to do a PT test like 2 days later. Whatever the regs are pretty much expect to be able to do it two days in a row or they'll find a way to frick you over, especially if there is a bonus in your contract.
Regular Infantry - middleweight bare knuckle boxer physique
Machine-gunner or Medic - Alexander Zass
Why does this moron always look like he hasn’t showered in months? The greasy face and israelite hair, the gay little hat, etc
He's using roids, so it makes him look all greasy and shit along with exercising.
What a cuck. Probably has a tiny sub-9 inch dick
His hair is already receding to a U shape.