>661sqft >61m2
That's like a very average commieblock apartment in exyu countries, not sure if it counts as 1 or 2 bedroom as we had a bedroom and a living room both similarly sized. Relatively big and separate kitchen was standard. Relative to new buildings with open space shit is what I mean. It's new buildings that are shrinking the usual bedroom count to square meter ratio, I hate them. I hate buildings anyway but if it's that small it might as well be one. Or row houses.
This is fine but with all the land no one in their right mind is gonna build a 60m2 house. At the smallest 2x that probably.
I mean they're LITERALLY as wide as a fricking garage... The fact that people are going along with this shit is depressing as frick. There is so clearly a housing crisis going on now, and the response of all the major world governments is to ramp up regulations on building while simultaneously invite in hundreds of thousands of people with no job skills who leech off welfare and take over all the affordable housing with govt sanctions against rental buildings that dont give them preferential placement over actual citizens of the country.
Fricking INSANE that thats where we are in 2024. If you pushed this premise as realistic when, say, Obama was running for office you would have been called an insane conspiracy theorist.
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Actually i take it back, because garages have to have something like 4' on each side of the car for a person to get out while the car is parked inside it, so these are actually narrower than a single car garage.
Nothing wrong with living in a small place.
I agree however that people shouldn't be crammed together like this.
for sure, if someone wants to live in a cozy place thats fine. But the fact that this is being treated as some long term strategy to dealing with this problem isnt acceptable... especially when they're 1/6th of a million fricking dollars each.
20 years ago $160k(cnd, so like $120k usd) in my city would buy a nice 1200sqft bungalow with a detached garage and finished basement.... and it would be a solidly built house, not some shitty pre-fab using sketchy framing and ultra cheap/light materials.
I really feel like we're getting close to the point where the general population is just going to revolt. You can only normalize shit expectations for so long before someone snaps. Getting a degree paid for while doing part time work and saving up for the first year in your new career to put a downpayment on your home that would fit 3 or 4 people, which is what people in their 20s and 30s were all told to do is so far removed from reality... frick, even the idea of going to eat fast food cause you're broke and tired isnt practical anymore since a fricking big mac meal at mcdonalds is like $14 now.
You can still get a nice ~1800+sqft house in good shape for $160K in my city, in an area where average couple tend to pull down $100K+ per year.
I always see stuff about how people are ready to revolt in areas where a starter home costs north of half a million-- but then waiters pull down 100K a year there and it doesn't seem so crazy.
It mostly seems like a problem for people who aren't playing the game the way that it's meant to be played.
I just checked, and a Big Mac meal is $8.69 at regular menu price here right now.
it's all fine and good until the californians come and 200k for those homes. also you shouldn't be buying an $800,000 home on $100,000 of gross income.
i would fricking kill for one of these. i'm so fricking tired of living in someone's bedroom. apartments are hilariously, ridiculously expensive if you have shit ass credit
My house is 625 square feet. Every house on my street is identical. Single family home, I bought mine in 2017 for around 80k and last fall the same house sold for 180k. Wild.
I could live in a studio if it meant I had a large workshop with a metal working area and woodworking area full of tools. Unfortunately, I'm a poorgay in a trailer on land I don't own so the best I can do is a shitty, used, unconditioned shed.
Ideal should be relative to the minimum - double the minimum is a gift. For me, I lived a year with about 80 sqft, so 160 sqft. With the wife we'd both have the same bathroom so maybe shave off 20 and it'd be 300 sqft.
Plus at least an acre of land, but that should be a given
You never know what’s on sale! Happens to me every time I ride the scooter to the store to grab a quart of milk or something stupid. Buy 2 get 2 free on 12pks of Coke? How can I refuse! I’ll figure out how to bungee them b***hes to the cargo rack somehow.
>Different pattern of random size pieces >The tiling in the van even has a strip of accent tiles along the top
Faux tiles would make a tiny bit of sense, but they also have what looks like an oversize cast iron stove ring and underneath even looks like a dishwasher, not any kind of fridge.
These are all very shitty ideas for a van install
Ideal? Probably >1 acre so each family can have a milk cow.
Otherwise even 1/4 acre is enough for chickens and a small house and a back yard for dog to run around. That really is the minimum though. once you get below 1/4 acre the yards become small and you start getting into shit territory
I should specify I mean the row house not the muttsheds I attached.
My house is 625 square feet. Every house on my street is identical. Single family home, I bought mine in 2017 for around 80k and last fall the same house sold for 180k. Wild.
You paid 80k for 625sqft. What is wrong with you? WHo the frick bought another one for 180k????
Now that I think about it a similarly sized apartment in the building we lived in 10 years ago just sold for 190k. This is fricking Serbia we are talking about, not exactly the richest country. Shit is insane. We sold our 80m2 for 70k a decade ago damn it. Should have never even moved.
investors who are gonna find out the only tenants that will want to move there will be destitute drug addicts and not computer geek hipsters with quirky lifestyles
"average amerishart houses" >literally no American ITT has ever in their entire lives seen these >tfw they're STILL bigger than average eurocuck houses
no American ITT has ever in their entire lives seen these
I know that's the fricking point. But it's the way it's going >>tfw they're STILL bigger than average eurocuck houses
That's impossible.
What's with all the wasted space between houses? Building them as row houses would save on heating and insulation costs for middle units and allow for more people to fit in a given area. Row houses are also generally larger. Who designed these things? Who are they marketed to?
If these are the same as townhomes, then the problem is that there will be shared air between the houses same as apartments, if one guy smokes everybody smokes.
>then the problem is that there will be shared air between the houses same as apartments
What? We ALL share one atmosphere don't we? >if one guy smokes everybody smokes.
Are american walls perforated or something? Is the smoke going to spread from window to window? If one guy lights a cig that's barely more than a fart in the wind and will disperse extremely quikcly.
sharing walls with neighbors fricking blows. i would never buy property to own that shares walls. you're not much better off than an apartmentcuck at that point except you can't even make the insane screaming neighbor on one side and 8-hour yappy dog on the other your landlord's problem, you're just fricked
the quality level of rowhouses that have firewalls and sufficient noise and air isolation puts their cost astronomically higher than these little pods, therefore defeating the entire point. cheaper to simply build detached structures as they've done here.
I'm certain even Louisiana shotgun shacks are wider than these things. Probably all built for Biden's new voters since he's let in almost 10 million of them since 2021.
Kek whichever scumbag GC got approval for this is making bank. This in dude pic related is building regular sized WELL BUILT homes, not funsized narrower than a garage, down in Texas for $199,999 selling price. He was interviewed on the Matt Risinger channel that guy is a bit of a shill but sometimes he talks to interesting people.
It cannot be generalized and it highly depends on your needs.
In rural areas you need more space than in dense cities with nice services. If you plan to work from home and you are not alone, then you'll need an extra room.
As a rule of thumb:
1 person: 1 or 2 rooms + kitchen and 1 bathroom
2 person: 2 rooms + kitchen and 1 bathroom
2 parents + 1 kid: 3 rooms + kitchen and 1 bathroom
2 parents + 2 kid: 3 or 4 rooms + kitchen and 2 bathroom
For each extra adult (or couple) you should add a room and a bathrom
Every 2 extra adults you have to add a living room.
Strong minimums:
1 person: 28 mq
2 persons: 38 mq
3 persons: 42 mq
+14 mq for each extra person.
About room sizes (again strong minimums):
single bedroom: 8 mq
double: 12-14 mq (it depend how you manage the wardrobe)
livingroom: 14 mq
kitchen: 5 mq
livingroom + kitchen (sub optimal): 17 mq
Those are bare minimums.
In my opinion for a single person 28 mq could be even big. For two 38 if very small and probably around 50-60 would be better. Over 80 mq could be inpractical for just two people.
But again, you really have to consider where you are and how much time you will spend at home: rural area with cold winter? You will stay at home a lot and you will enjoy more space. Nice european city with an out of home job? You will spend most of your free time out, so just something more of an hotel room will work.
>In my opinion for a single person 28 mq could be even big. >Over 80mq could be inpractical for just two people.
What the frick is this eat the bug, live in the pod, propoganda shit? I'd fricking off myself if I only had 28sqm/300sqft. 80sqm/850sqft is the absolute minimum even for a single person to have comfortable space. I'm not saying you can't do it, but having that little space isn't comfortable, let alone "ideal".
My first apartment was 35sqm, and outside of having the kitchen and the living room be a shared space, it was pretty comfy. Even had a small terrace for the morning coffee+cig routine.
And the catch is...
That if the interior is poorly setup, you quickly start losing A LOT of sqm
Cellar entrance? Entire staircase is lost sqm that can´t be used for anything
Bathroom too square? You lose 2-3
Unlucky door position? Or fireplace position? Or minisplit interior position? Quickly lose half of those rooms as well.
Bedroom NEEDS to be separate, for noise insulation as well as having it be colder and better ventilated. Otherwise you are just gambling sleep away because landlord is too cheap to install proper escape windows.
Kitchen needs to be contacting a exterior wall for the ductwork, otherwise its very very suboptimal.
Then there is needs for things like utility closets, where to store hot water, etc. So to end at a net 28sqm, you quickly need 40-50sqm due ineffective interior solutions.
Lack a outdoor shed? That is another 3-5sqm lost.
So in my humble experience, you quickly need to rent 40-60sqm, because otherwise you end up with a flat you can´t live or do hobbies inside.
I´ve rented optimal 30-35ush sqm, but then you can´t just get a used hobby table to do light wood carving or place to store your jacks for car repairs. Its a fricking death sentence to creativity.
But lets add another can of worms:
If you get a GF and are living in a 28sqm bug cube.... well then you are fricked. Its just that simple. So you need to fricking move and end rent incurring loses, because renting 28sqm is completely utterly fricked.
Might as well make sub 60sqm illegal to rent out, and let the market deal with the fallout.
https://i.imgur.com/Ujpny6x.jpg
Ideal depends on economic prospects.
Times sure are changing.
>Look at video of those >No cooking space, need to eat out every single night >No real laundry space, need to use a laundromat >Extremely poor insulation >Questionable interior space for showering
Lived in houses, lived in trailers. A singlewide trailer is all anyone really needs, as long as they don't have more than two kids.
A singlewide is three bedrooms, two bath.
That's been my situation since I moved out, and I hate it, when I can afford land someday I'd rather have my computer in a completely separate building than the one I sleep in.
After I moved out I hated going back to it even for a little while
is it uncomfy to sleep in the same room that you have a desk and a computer to work
Bedroom is now living room temperature, and vice versa.
Permanently adding moisture to the mattress, requiring even more ventilation
No mental shift of going to the bedroom to sleep, also couch surfing from bed is possible and ruins even more sleep
>Lennar
that's gonna be a yikes from me dawg...if you walk into one of those open houses with a tape measure and level, you will probably be thrown out.
>stop letting corporations buy single-family homes >stop letting overseas millionaires buy US real estate
there, problem solved in 2 steps. don't even need to subsidize home ownership any further than FHA shit
Stupid question because use cases vary. I'd prefer more acreage which is always good, but five+ I have will do. Key is being zoned agricultural for max freedom.
1000 sq ft. 2 bdrm, 1 bath. Pic is what they took from you. All enabled steel, add today's windows and Rockwool for R value and you have a perfect home. By today's cost would be around $120k new.
If they built them over a unfinished basement and had pex plumbing, pvc drain and radiant floors with split units it would be a dream come true for many.
Oh did you know that houses like pic in the 40s were built and finished in under a week?
This is basically what i have on a nice roomy 2 acre lot with a partially finished walkout basement and oversized lofted garage
Its almost perfect for 2 of us
I would like to add a toilet in the laundry room for backup and guests and more land would be nice but its what i can afford within reasonable proximity to the city because i am kinda poor
I find if your space is too small doing anything is frustrating and its hard to keep clean
I absolutely hate having to move and reorganize stuff to do basic tasks but theres also diminishing returns on oversized spaces like when youre paying to heat and maintain a large space you dont really use
Depends on how many bedrooms and where. If you go <1500sq ft on a 3/2 house, it’s going to be a small kitchen and stuff. 1750-2000 probably means there’s room for a dining room table. Layout matters too though, I have seen Mexicans turn a 1600sq-ft house into 5 bedrooms where you need to walk through a bedroom to get to the other bedroom.
I wish I had a 2500sq-ft minimum shop. One day when the wife is done with residency and everything, I’m buying some acreage with an out building and have a lift in there plus a loft for parts and material storage so I can go full hoarder.
How, unless you collect junk cars. (pic related is clickspring's shop as viewed from the doorway. I know he makes small stuff, but jesus h christ imagine what he could do with 2500 sq ft; what is this, about 10x20 ft?)
Sliding saw with in/out-feed tables for 4'x8', miter saw with in/out-feed tables for 16', planer with 8' in/out-feed, assembly table and workbench fills up my 950sq ft pretty well. I imagine a vehicle lift and space for engine assembly and a proper blasting cabinet would make 2500 sq ft pretty tight.
Engine assembly should get its own room or container, not share space with any dirt or dust generating activities or be where you cannot control humidity with a dehumidifier unless you live in a proper desert (that stays a desert year-round).
I put my blast cabinet on castered wheels so I can wheel it outdoors to blast then wheel it inside. Everything should have wheels so it can easily be moved for cleaning, rearranged and transported. The USAF taught me the joys of rolling equipment including benches, cabinets and counters. The cost to mobilize your gear is quite modest over time.
I even have my air compressors on wheels and plumb my shops in air hose not fixed piping so I can easily reconfigure everything. Far too many amateurs trap themselves with bulky wooden storage permanently mounted (wood devours precious cubic feet/meters/cubits). The only fixed storage I like is high mounted steel shelves and boxes above head height. I have a couple of service bed top boxes bolted to my welding shop walls which is great out-of-the-way storage. My containers have hanging shelves hooked to the ceiling tiedowns and build as a mix of welded shelf trays and bolted braces and verticals so I can easily modify them and do useful stuff like bolt toolbox tops to the shelf bottoms.
The more shit you keep off the floor the less exasperating obstacles you deal with. Kill some time studying military and industrial storage. There's cool stuff to copy or be inspired by or look out for at auction.
Lofts are stupid for storage of other than light items. Shit just inconveniently accumulates then when you get old will really suck to retrieve. With acreage you can expand laterally as I do with very low effort.
I've a Steelmaster 20x20 welding shop (no fire hazard because I don't build using flammable trash) and four 40' High Cubes, two welded side-by-side as a shop which works a treat. I may attach one more but am debating a 20x40 foot Steelmaster roof/end wall system since they're so easy to erect (used scaffolding is cheap, and don't forget to anti-seize all the hardware).
Multiple shops don't fratricide in fire and isolate processes from each other. My motorcycle collection lives dehumidified and dust-free away from my machine shop away from my welding and sand blasting area.
I mean some of this shit was probably a medium sized bedroom with small walk in closet that got turned into 2 bedrooms, or they enclosed a Florida room and split it into 2 bedrooms. Adding a hallway would make the small bedrooms unusable so going back towards original is the best way.
Or add an exterior door and seal off the wall to the other bedroom and make it an AirBnB rental room.
Pretty happy with an 1800 sqft 3bd/2br. Turned the two extra bedrooms into an office and electronics workshop. Also has an oversized 2.5 car garage (around 950 sq ft IIRC) with plenty of workshop space. Wouldn't want to downsize too much as then I would have room for the truck, my motorcycles and a backup car.
why the hell would you want 2 bath for a small 1 bedroom house? That's a lot of wasted space when you're talking about a house that size. I've lived in a 650sqft apartment before and I wouldn't have wanted a second bathroom added to it.
I'll take the driveway I can watch over and pave over the lawn or landscape with railroad gravel over geotextile etc then crushed asphalt which drains fine and takes weight (I use both).
One of my pet peeves is these 3000+ sq.ft. McMansions built on tiny plots of land. They’re building them like crazy around here in South Florida. The areas like 30min west of the coast were like horse ranch areas and beautiful ranch houses on 2-5 acres. And the past 5 years especially, they’re buying up a couple of those propertied and sticking in a subdivision with 20 houses that are good size 2 story homes but the space between the houses is like OP’s pic. And those houses must be going for >$1mil with the prices down here even though it’s like an hour drive from downtown with rush hour traffic, so it’s still suburbia. The builders know that all these normies put way more of a premium on the square footage of the house than the square footage of the land.
I think what I want if I have the money is a big house with a big courtyard in the middle, with the house acting as a natural fence, frankly I think more schools should be designed like this. Except I would make exterior staircase leading to the roof in the courtyard so there is no way to get trapped in the middle. Only exterior windows 2nd floor and above....the big problem is where to put the garage, inside the fortress which would require a ground floor door, or outside?
because it's 2 floors
Texans would shart themselves before they could get up/down the stairs to make it to the bathroom
so you have a half bath on 1 floor and full on the other
It depends on how many people you live with and what you're used to. I grew up in an old house built in the 1950s, its smaller than a lot of modern homes. I'm used to it so it feels fine to me but other people have complained.
600sqft
1acre of land
2 car garage
minimum
>661sqft
>61m2
That's like a very average commieblock apartment in exyu countries, not sure if it counts as 1 or 2 bedroom as we had a bedroom and a living room both similarly sized. Relatively big and separate kitchen was standard. Relative to new buildings with open space shit is what I mean. It's new buildings that are shrinking the usual bedroom count to square meter ratio, I hate them. I hate buildings anyway but if it's that small it might as well be one. Or row houses.
This is fine but with all the land no one in their right mind is gonna build a 60m2 house. At the smallest 2x that probably.
It’s hillarious that those look—from a distance—like garages.
I mean they're LITERALLY as wide as a fricking garage... The fact that people are going along with this shit is depressing as frick. There is so clearly a housing crisis going on now, and the response of all the major world governments is to ramp up regulations on building while simultaneously invite in hundreds of thousands of people with no job skills who leech off welfare and take over all the affordable housing with govt sanctions against rental buildings that dont give them preferential placement over actual citizens of the country.
Fricking INSANE that thats where we are in 2024. If you pushed this premise as realistic when, say, Obama was running for office you would have been called an insane conspiracy theorist.
Nothing wrong with living in a small place.
I agree however that people shouldn't be crammed together like this.
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Actually i take it back, because garages have to have something like 4' on each side of the car for a person to get out while the car is parked inside it, so these are actually narrower than a single car garage.
for sure, if someone wants to live in a cozy place thats fine. But the fact that this is being treated as some long term strategy to dealing with this problem isnt acceptable... especially when they're 1/6th of a million fricking dollars each.
20 years ago $160k(cnd, so like $120k usd) in my city would buy a nice 1200sqft bungalow with a detached garage and finished basement.... and it would be a solidly built house, not some shitty pre-fab using sketchy framing and ultra cheap/light materials.
I really feel like we're getting close to the point where the general population is just going to revolt. You can only normalize shit expectations for so long before someone snaps. Getting a degree paid for while doing part time work and saving up for the first year in your new career to put a downpayment on your home that would fit 3 or 4 people, which is what people in their 20s and 30s were all told to do is so far removed from reality... frick, even the idea of going to eat fast food cause you're broke and tired isnt practical anymore since a fricking big mac meal at mcdonalds is like $14 now.
You can still get a nice ~1800+sqft house in good shape for $160K in my city, in an area where average couple tend to pull down $100K+ per year.
I always see stuff about how people are ready to revolt in areas where a starter home costs north of half a million-- but then waiters pull down 100K a year there and it doesn't seem so crazy.
It mostly seems like a problem for people who aren't playing the game the way that it's meant to be played.
I just checked, and a Big Mac meal is $8.69 at regular menu price here right now.
it's all fine and good until the californians come and 200k for those homes. also you shouldn't be buying an $800,000 home on $100,000 of gross income.
i would fricking kill for one of these. i'm so fricking tired of living in someone's bedroom. apartments are hilariously, ridiculously expensive if you have shit ass credit
Kicking out the ~40 million illegal and legal immigrants living in this country would go a long way towards lowering housing prices.
That question has no answer, there are too many variables depending on who you ask.
Living space alone 60 sqm. If you want a home office or have a partner or pets 80-100 sqm. Plus 150sqm of garage/shed/shop space if you have hobbies
My house is 625 square feet. Every house on my street is identical. Single family home, I bought mine in 2017 for around 80k and last fall the same house sold for 180k. Wild.
Does it have a basement? A garage?
Unfinished basement, mine has a garage but the one that sold for 180k does not.
>I bought mine in 2017 for around 80k and last fall the same house sold for 180k
what the fook
i bought a house that was at least 1200 sq ft for $68,000
sold it for $185,000
Some of mine, and all of yours.
600sqft is fine, if you have another 600 sqft of porch around it, a workshop, carport, greenhouse, and a couple hundred feet all around it
100-500 sqft of inside
20+ acres of outside
easy, as Edgar Allan Poe would kindly sugest, 1500 sq ft is enough. ideally 1.1/2' x 1000'
I could live in a studio if it meant I had a large workshop with a metal working area and woodworking area full of tools. Unfortunately, I'm a poorgay in a trailer on land I don't own so the best I can do is a shitty, used, unconditioned shed.
I propose that no less than the whole of the Sudetenland would be sufficient!
>1 bed room
>2 bath
yeah
Ideal should be relative to the minimum - double the minimum is a gift. For me, I lived a year with about 80 sqft, so 160 sqft. With the wife we'd both have the same bathroom so maybe shave off 20 and it'd be 300 sqft.
Plus at least an acre of land, but that should be a given
only a 30 minute walk to Walmart
A walk? Americans don't walk in places like TX, even if they're going literally right across the street.
why the frick would you walk to a Walmart even if it was right across the street? So you can stumble back home lugging 6 bags of groceries?
why the frick do you need six bags of groceries when the store is across the street? I mostly have two
You never know what’s on sale! Happens to me every time I ride the scooter to the store to grab a quart of milk or something stupid. Buy 2 get 2 free on 12pks of Coke? How can I refuse! I’ll figure out how to bungee them b***hes to the cargo rack somehow.
A pod
about 450sq ft in a 10,000 sq ft shop space.
why pay for the 450 living space when you can have a hammock and a hotplate in the shop?
1 van
Not in a Fiat it's not
..for half the cost of a starter home.
Where the frick are you that a starter home is is 80k? You can get a van and convert it to be nice for like, 40k.
>large tiled backsplash in a van
LMAO
It's fake.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Fasade-Vista-18-25-in-W-x-24-25-in-H-Vinyl-Backsplash-in-Gloss-White-B69-00/312682227
>Different pattern of random size pieces
>The tiling in the van even has a strip of accent tiles along the top
Faux tiles would make a tiny bit of sense, but they also have what looks like an oversize cast iron stove ring and underneath even looks like a dishwasher, not any kind of fridge.
These are all very shitty ideas for a van install
Ideal? Probably >1 acre so each family can have a milk cow.
Otherwise even 1/4 acre is enough for chickens and a small house and a back yard for dog to run around. That really is the minimum though. once you get below 1/4 acre the yards become small and you start getting into shit territory
We're investigating
This shit is 1.5x bigger and 3x better than what OP posted.
I should specify I mean the row house not the muttsheds I attached.
You paid 80k for 625sqft. What is wrong with you? WHo the frick bought another one for 180k????
Now that I think about it a similarly sized apartment in the building we lived in 10 years ago just sold for 190k. This is fricking Serbia we are talking about, not exactly the richest country. Shit is insane. We sold our 80m2 for 70k a decade ago damn it. Should have never even moved.
WHO IS BUYING THESE?????
Im guessing people who have convinced themselves they need a single family home but are too stupid to understand why
investors who are gonna find out the only tenants that will want to move there will be destitute drug addicts and not computer geek hipsters with quirky lifestyles
"average amerishart houses"
>literally no American ITT has ever in their entire lives seen these
>tfw they're STILL bigger than average eurocuck houses
no American ITT has ever in their entire lives seen these
I know that's the fricking point. But it's the way it's going
>>tfw they're STILL bigger than average eurocuck houses
That's impossible.
you think these people ever forget which house is theirs and go into the wrong one?
What's with all the wasted space between houses? Building them as row houses would save on heating and insulation costs for middle units and allow for more people to fit in a given area. Row houses are also generally larger. Who designed these things? Who are they marketed to?
Reduced fire risk and not sharing walls are good things.
If these are the same as townhomes, then the problem is that there will be shared air between the houses same as apartments, if one guy smokes everybody smokes.
>then the problem is that there will be shared air between the houses same as apartments
What? We ALL share one atmosphere don't we?
>if one guy smokes everybody smokes.
Are american walls perforated or something? Is the smoke going to spread from window to window? If one guy lights a cig that's barely more than a fart in the wind and will disperse extremely quikcly.
sharing walls with neighbors fricking blows. i would never buy property to own that shares walls. you're not much better off than an apartmentcuck at that point except you can't even make the insane screaming neighbor on one side and 8-hour yappy dog on the other your landlord's problem, you're just fricked
What are you talking about? There’s a firewall between rowhouses and you can’t fricking hear anything that’s for sure.
the quality level of rowhouses that have firewalls and sufficient noise and air isolation puts their cost astronomically higher than these little pods, therefore defeating the entire point. cheaper to simply build detached structures as they've done here.
Its not cheaper, moron
probably some moronic zoning laws
I'm certain even Louisiana shotgun shacks are wider than these things. Probably all built for Biden's new voters since he's let in almost 10 million of them since 2021.
Kek whichever scumbag GC got approval for this is making bank. This in dude pic related is building regular sized WELL BUILT homes, not funsized narrower than a garage, down in Texas for $199,999 selling price. He was interviewed on the Matt Risinger channel that guy is a bit of a shill but sometimes he talks to interesting people.
It cannot be generalized and it highly depends on your needs.
In rural areas you need more space than in dense cities with nice services. If you plan to work from home and you are not alone, then you'll need an extra room.
As a rule of thumb:
1 person: 1 or 2 rooms + kitchen and 1 bathroom
2 person: 2 rooms + kitchen and 1 bathroom
2 parents + 1 kid: 3 rooms + kitchen and 1 bathroom
2 parents + 2 kid: 3 or 4 rooms + kitchen and 2 bathroom
For each extra adult (or couple) you should add a room and a bathrom
Every 2 extra adults you have to add a living room.
Strong minimums:
1 person: 28 mq
2 persons: 38 mq
3 persons: 42 mq
+14 mq for each extra person.
About room sizes (again strong minimums):
single bedroom: 8 mq
double: 12-14 mq (it depend how you manage the wardrobe)
livingroom: 14 mq
kitchen: 5 mq
livingroom + kitchen (sub optimal): 17 mq
Those are bare minimums.
In my opinion for a single person 28 mq could be even big. For two 38 if very small and probably around 50-60 would be better. Over 80 mq could be inpractical for just two people.
But again, you really have to consider where you are and how much time you will spend at home: rural area with cold winter? You will stay at home a lot and you will enjoy more space. Nice european city with an out of home job? You will spend most of your free time out, so just something more of an hotel room will work.
>In my opinion for a single person 28 mq could be even big.
>Over 80mq could be inpractical for just two people.
What the frick is this eat the bug, live in the pod, propoganda shit? I'd fricking off myself if I only had 28sqm/300sqft. 80sqm/850sqft is the absolute minimum even for a single person to have comfortable space. I'm not saying you can't do it, but having that little space isn't comfortable, let alone "ideal".
My first apartment was 35sqm, and outside of having the kitchen and the living room be a shared space, it was pretty comfy. Even had a small terrace for the morning coffee+cig routine.
And the catch is...
That if the interior is poorly setup, you quickly start losing A LOT of sqm
Cellar entrance? Entire staircase is lost sqm that can´t be used for anything
Bathroom too square? You lose 2-3
Unlucky door position? Or fireplace position? Or minisplit interior position? Quickly lose half of those rooms as well.
Bedroom NEEDS to be separate, for noise insulation as well as having it be colder and better ventilated. Otherwise you are just gambling sleep away because landlord is too cheap to install proper escape windows.
Kitchen needs to be contacting a exterior wall for the ductwork, otherwise its very very suboptimal.
Then there is needs for things like utility closets, where to store hot water, etc. So to end at a net 28sqm, you quickly need 40-50sqm due ineffective interior solutions.
Lack a outdoor shed? That is another 3-5sqm lost.
So in my humble experience, you quickly need to rent 40-60sqm, because otherwise you end up with a flat you can´t live or do hobbies inside.
I´ve rented optimal 30-35ush sqm, but then you can´t just get a used hobby table to do light wood carving or place to store your jacks for car repairs. Its a fricking death sentence to creativity.
But lets add another can of worms:
If you get a GF and are living in a 28sqm bug cube.... well then you are fricked. Its just that simple. So you need to fricking move and end rent incurring loses, because renting 28sqm is completely utterly fricked.
Might as well make sub 60sqm illegal to rent out, and let the market deal with the fallout.
>Look at video of those
>No cooking space, need to eat out every single night
>No real laundry space, need to use a laundromat
>Extremely poor insulation
>Questionable interior space for showering
300sqm with 4m ceiling height. Level no stairs preferably.
Alright at that point just build an apartment. This is for nobody
Ideal depends on economic prospects.
Times sure are changing.
Lived in houses, lived in trailers. A singlewide trailer is all anyone really needs, as long as they don't have more than two kids.
A singlewide is three bedrooms, two bath.
$160,000?!?!?
Under $50k should be the price.
4500 sq feet
50 acres with high fencing and lots of trees and bushes around perimiter
No neighbors in sight
No nigs within 1000 sq miles
is it uncomfy to sleep in the same room that you have a desk and a computer to work
After I moved out I hated going back to it even for a little while
That's been my situation since I moved out, and I hate it, when I can afford land someday I'd rather have my computer in a completely separate building than the one I sleep in.
why
Because working in the same room you sleep in makes you feel like a caged animal.
Bedroom is now living room temperature, and vice versa.
Permanently adding moisture to the mattress, requiring even more ventilation
No mental shift of going to the bedroom to sleep, also couch surfing from bed is possible and ruins even more sleep
>Lennar
that's gonna be a yikes from me dawg...if you walk into one of those open houses with a tape measure and level, you will probably be thrown out.
>stop letting corporations buy single-family homes
>stop letting overseas millionaires buy US real estate
there, problem solved in 2 steps. don't even need to subsidize home ownership any further than FHA shit
It blows my mind our government allows this. It really is a simple fix.
>our government is made of people
>greedy people
>greedy people who get paid a lot to allow this
>poor people don't matter to them
Stupid question because use cases vary. I'd prefer more acreage which is always good, but five+ I have will do. Key is being zoned agricultural for max freedom.
Eurocuck here. Is this better buy house or build from scratch(i will pay company)?
1000 sq ft. 2 bdrm, 1 bath. Pic is what they took from you. All enabled steel, add today's windows and Rockwool for R value and you have a perfect home. By today's cost would be around $120k new.
If they built them over a unfinished basement and had pex plumbing, pvc drain and radiant floors with split units it would be a dream come true for many.
Oh did you know that houses like pic in the 40s were built and finished in under a week?
This is basically what i have on a nice roomy 2 acre lot with a partially finished walkout basement and oversized lofted garage
Its almost perfect for 2 of us
I would like to add a toilet in the laundry room for backup and guests and more land would be nice but its what i can afford within reasonable proximity to the city because i am kinda poor
I find if your space is too small doing anything is frustrating and its hard to keep clean
I absolutely hate having to move and reorganize stuff to do basic tasks but theres also diminishing returns on oversized spaces like when youre paying to heat and maintain a large space you dont really use
why that much money for the garage? is this a special neighborhood people want to live in badly?
2000 square foot house minimum. 2500 square foot shop minimum. 500 acres of land minimum.
You're not a poor are you?
Depends on how many bedrooms and where. If you go <1500sq ft on a 3/2 house, it’s going to be a small kitchen and stuff. 1750-2000 probably means there’s room for a dining room table. Layout matters too though, I have seen Mexicans turn a 1600sq-ft house into 5 bedrooms where you need to walk through a bedroom to get to the other bedroom.
I wish I had a 2500sq-ft minimum shop. One day when the wife is done with residency and everything, I’m buying some acreage with an out building and have a lift in there plus a loft for parts and material storage so I can go full hoarder.
Remember those are the minimums... You are free to go up from there! A 2500 square foot shop fills up scary fast.
> A 2500 square foot shop fills up scary fast.
How, unless you collect junk cars. (pic related is clickspring's shop as viewed from the doorway. I know he makes small stuff, but jesus h christ imagine what he could do with 2500 sq ft; what is this, about 10x20 ft?)
Sliding saw with in/out-feed tables for 4'x8', miter saw with in/out-feed tables for 16', planer with 8' in/out-feed, assembly table and workbench fills up my 950sq ft pretty well. I imagine a vehicle lift and space for engine assembly and a proper blasting cabinet would make 2500 sq ft pretty tight.
Engine assembly should get its own room or container, not share space with any dirt or dust generating activities or be where you cannot control humidity with a dehumidifier unless you live in a proper desert (that stays a desert year-round).
I put my blast cabinet on castered wheels so I can wheel it outdoors to blast then wheel it inside. Everything should have wheels so it can easily be moved for cleaning, rearranged and transported. The USAF taught me the joys of rolling equipment including benches, cabinets and counters. The cost to mobilize your gear is quite modest over time.
I even have my air compressors on wheels and plumb my shops in air hose not fixed piping so I can easily reconfigure everything. Far too many amateurs trap themselves with bulky wooden storage permanently mounted (wood devours precious cubic feet/meters/cubits). The only fixed storage I like is high mounted steel shelves and boxes above head height. I have a couple of service bed top boxes bolted to my welding shop walls which is great out-of-the-way storage. My containers have hanging shelves hooked to the ceiling tiedowns and build as a mix of welded shelf trays and bolted braces and verticals so I can easily modify them and do useful stuff like bolt toolbox tops to the shelf bottoms.
The more shit you keep off the floor the less exasperating obstacles you deal with. Kill some time studying military and industrial storage. There's cool stuff to copy or be inspired by or look out for at auction.
Lofts are stupid for storage of other than light items. Shit just inconveniently accumulates then when you get old will really suck to retrieve. With acreage you can expand laterally as I do with very low effort.
I've a Steelmaster 20x20 welding shop (no fire hazard because I don't build using flammable trash) and four 40' High Cubes, two welded side-by-side as a shop which works a treat. I may attach one more but am debating a 20x40 foot Steelmaster roof/end wall system since they're so easy to erect (used scaffolding is cheap, and don't forget to anti-seize all the hardware).
Multiple shops don't fratricide in fire and isolate processes from each other. My motorcycle collection lives dehumidified and dust-free away from my machine shop away from my welding and sand blasting area.
>you need to walk through a bedroom to get to the other bedroom
how do you unfrick something like this
Delete walls or add halls
I mean some of this shit was probably a medium sized bedroom with small walk in closet that got turned into 2 bedrooms, or they enclosed a Florida room and split it into 2 bedrooms. Adding a hallway would make the small bedrooms unusable so going back towards original is the best way.
Or add an exterior door and seal off the wall to the other bedroom and make it an AirBnB rental room.
Pretty happy with an 1800 sqft 3bd/2br. Turned the two extra bedrooms into an office and electronics workshop. Also has an oversized 2.5 car garage (around 950 sq ft IIRC) with plenty of workshop space. Wouldn't want to downsize too much as then I would have room for the truck, my motorcycles and a backup car.
why the hell would you want 2 bath for a small 1 bedroom house? That's a lot of wasted space when you're talking about a house that size. I've lived in a 650sqft apartment before and I wouldn't have wanted a second bathroom added to it.
>shitty cuckbox with no space but still have to mow the lawn
would rather live in a town home or apartment tbh.
I'll take the driveway I can watch over and pave over the lawn or landscape with railroad gravel over geotextile etc then crushed asphalt which drains fine and takes weight (I use both).
For a family of 4, 1500sq plus like 250 for storage is minimum. I wish I had like 1750 though.
Anyone have experience with those insane DR Horton frick ups?
if you have multiple floors do you add the square footage or what
At least a quarter acre of land with 2500sqft of house on top of it. More is always better but that's the minimum.
house too big, land too small
One of my pet peeves is these 3000+ sq.ft. McMansions built on tiny plots of land. They’re building them like crazy around here in South Florida. The areas like 30min west of the coast were like horse ranch areas and beautiful ranch houses on 2-5 acres. And the past 5 years especially, they’re buying up a couple of those propertied and sticking in a subdivision with 20 houses that are good size 2 story homes but the space between the houses is like OP’s pic. And those houses must be going for >$1mil with the prices down here even though it’s like an hour drive from downtown with rush hour traffic, so it’s still suburbia. The builders know that all these normies put way more of a premium on the square footage of the house than the square footage of the land.
I think what I want if I have the money is a big house with a big courtyard in the middle, with the house acting as a natural fence, frankly I think more schools should be designed like this. Except I would make exterior staircase leading to the roof in the courtyard so there is no way to get trapped in the middle. Only exterior windows 2nd floor and above....the big problem is where to put the garage, inside the fortress which would require a ground floor door, or outside?
>having 2 cars causes you get a ADA fine for blocking the sidewalk
While that's completely moronic, it's more about design. Not really size (see: mcmansions)
500 acre privately owned woodland.
1k Square foot House.
River on property.
Lake on property.
For me that's the ideal.
they would be comfy if they didn't cost as much as a decent house
Not only is it a tiny goy shack, it's a tiny goy shack in Texas.
im 6' and not that fat. so i think a 7x3 room would be good enough.
Why 2 baths
because it's 2 floors
Texans would shart themselves before they could get up/down the stairs to make it to the bathroom
so you have a half bath on 1 floor and full on the other
one of the baths is a half under the stairs
It depends on how many people you live with and what you're used to. I grew up in an old house built in the 1950s, its smaller than a lot of modern homes. I'm used to it so it feels fine to me but other people have complained.