What's the better cartridge. 7.62 x 39 or 5.45?

What's the better cartridge. 7.62 x 39 or 5.45?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    5.45x39 is overwhelmingly superior, the Soviets plagiarised 5.56x45 for this reason

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh tumbling
      laughs in M67

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >M67
        Half the ammo for the same weight

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    300 blackout!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >My intellect is superior to you people, therefore I will interject my own option and opinion.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >300 blackout!
      Massively underperforms against 7.62x39. Only intended for being quiet with a suppressor.

      With the advances of suppressor adoption and its performance out of short barrels 7.62x39 has a new lease on life as a general purpose urban/ police round. However it's being crushed on both sides by 300blk internationally and 9x39 back home. Still it fits a niche that niether 5.45 or 5.56 can fulfill as well (cope all you like, subsonic 5.56 is garbage). 5.45 is superior as a general infantry round but it gets its shit pushed in by 5.56 too and unlike 7.62x39 it can't fill any special role that would garner it a place in this world except with people that want 5.56 but can't have it

      >However it's being crushed on both sides by 300blk internationally
      300 BLK is nowhere near as popular globally as 7.62x39 is.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cope. My gucci loads for 300 blacked cost less than 7.62 russhit

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Banana ballistics
        Bad videos with no real data behind it

        I'm assuming you're nogunz who hasn't tried shooting 7.62x39 compared to .300 blackout, and never tried handloading either.

        Anyways, as

        Cope. My gucci loads for 300 blacked cost less than 7.62 russhit

        said, actually good 125 and 110gr Gucci loads cost less than shit 7.62 ammo. And once you start handloading the gap widens. Reduced case capacity combined with faster burning powder actually yields impressive results.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >5.45
    super a e s t h e t i c
    >5.56 NATO
    works fine, looks are meh

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not so aesthetic now

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ah yes, the "mud" test.
        >real mud
        Is far more "soupy" than concrete mix, but then again these homosexuals rig every test.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >real mud test has never been tried

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >InRange
          All credibility is lost, Karl should an hero already frick that Black person

          Pour some shit into your AK and film it and post it here

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            How about a ham sandwich?

            go to 3:50 if you're a homosexual and don't want to watch the whole video.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >InRange
        All credibility is lost, Karl should an hero already frick that Black person

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          seethe harder chud

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're doing well enough in the muddy trench warfare of Ukraine right now... just like they did in the muddy shithole of Chechnya, wet seasons of Afghanistan, etc.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pack breech and mag with so much clay the BCG can't even strip a round from the mag
        >this somehow proves something
        God damn I hate you homosexuals so much.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      7.62 will go through a 12 inch tree trunk from 100 yards away. can the 5.45 do the same? I'd rather rock with the 7.62 in the wind breaks than a glorified .22

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    only one of them is banned from import

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    5.45

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't 7.62x39 have ballistic issues at longer ranges?
    Other than that, 5.45 does the job and weighs less so it's probably the better option overall in terms of military usage.
    >easier for logistics to move
    >less weight for the average grunt to haul
    >less material on a smaller round saves some money in production

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    7.62x45

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't that just 300 hamr?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Never heard of 300 hanr

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          300 Hamr is hot 300blk supposed to replicate 30-30 Win, I think Wilson Combat brought it to market.

          Love the 5.45, low recoil, it was super cheap but those days are behind us.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      shoutout to autistic czechs and their cool shit.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    irl 7.45 is overwhelming superior
    if you're a moronic baguette then 7.62x39

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    5.45 does nothing better than 5.56 and has way more difficult logistics in the USA. 7.62 x39 does many things different than 5.56 so it might suit your needs.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    With the advances of suppressor adoption and its performance out of short barrels 7.62x39 has a new lease on life as a general purpose urban/ police round. However it's being crushed on both sides by 300blk internationally and 9x39 back home. Still it fits a niche that niether 5.45 or 5.56 can fulfill as well (cope all you like, subsonic 5.56 is garbage). 5.45 is superior as a general infantry round but it gets its shit pushed in by 5.56 too and unlike 7.62x39 it can't fill any special role that would garner it a place in this world except with people that want 5.56 but can't have it

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    7.62x54R

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    7.62 for short barrels
    5.45 for everything else

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    does 7.62 suffer less from deflection in a forest compared to 5.45 or is that a meme

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    7.62 is the far superior of the two Soviet ones. Their 5.45 does not fragment like our 5.56 does which is useless

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    5.45, achieves even better ballistics with less recoil that 5.56

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      5.45 is extremely susceptible to wind drift, 7.62 isn't because of mass, 5.56 isn't as much due to velocity.

      5.45 has less mass AND velocity.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >5.45 has less mass AND velocity.
        No 5.45 has the same initial velocity and retains it better due to the bullet shape.
        So it is a strange wind drift, that doesn't affect rounds specifically made in US

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          5.45 is several hundred FPS slower than M193 and M855, Civilian 5.45 is a good 400-500 FPS slower because it has to use lead core since steel is banned.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            5.45 922 m/s
            5.56 860—995 m/s
            So no, it is not. And why are you comparing civilian cartridge to a military one?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              5.45 does not pen level 3 plates which any 55gr and m855 loads will for the 5.56.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Level III ceramics generally stop both M193 and M855. Steel usually stops M855 and UHMWPE usually stops M193. For that matter, some of the steel core 5.45x45 loadings will likely also penetrate Level III UHMWPE under certain conditions.

                5.56 has far better projectile choices available for it than 5.45, but armor piercing performance with FMJs isn't really one of its key advantages.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >7.62 x 39
    Destroys everything. Bush cant deflect it
    >or 5.45?
    Destroys an unarmored man. Bush can deflect it.

    anything 5mm is build to be sub machine gun evil round for the less strengthened man

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pricing for 5.45x39 is a joke

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If we are talking about from an American gun owner perspective, 7.62x39 is way better.
    5.45 is just a harder to get and corrosive 5.56 nowadays.
    7.62x39 at least can fill a niche purpose. Urban/brush gun for under 200m engagements. Good with short barrels, suppresses well, lots of mass to help it through leaves, branches, drywall, etc.
    5.45 is a collector cartridge in 2023

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    6.5x39 aka 6.5 Grendel

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian brass even admit 5.45 is mediocre
    oof
    https://tass.com/defense/1043299

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Russian brass considered UAV not worth investing, since any "real" anti air will make them useless.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    5.45 is better but with how things are looking right now with 5.45 ammo prices and import bans it is better to get a 7.62.x39 AK.

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