In terms of getting the job done quickly and causing as little suffering as possible.
Keep in mind also that it should not be an "unusual" weapon.
Asking for a friend, of course.
What's the best weapon for a firing squad?
In terms of getting the job done quickly and causing as little suffering as possible.
Keep in mind also that it should not be an "unusual" weapon.
Asking for a friend, of course.
Puckle guns firing square bullets.
>In terms of getting the job done quickly and causing as little suffering as possible.
>Keep in mind also that it should not be an "unusual" weapon.
gay
This was literally the matter of the case:
>The issue in the case was procedural in nature, but the underlying dispute concerned inmate Michael Nance’s claim that subjecting him to lethal injection would violate the Constitution’s prohibition on *cruel and unusual* punishment.
If I had to pick I'm going for 1903, something feels wrong about doing firing squads with an autoloader so I'm going for one of the class ics
That only applies to Turks tough
I'd pick this option if available purely to make the jannies who had to clean it up seethe about it.
Shotgun, I guess.
spbp
squad firing 12ga slugs. cheap, effective, sufficient for close range.
yeah and who cleans up the mess? You?
A 30-06 of any kind
almsot all modern american firing squads use lever action 30-30s
Source?
https://apnews.com/article/58559881d0f743009cfeb52196702382
Only talking about Utah, but if memory serves Oklahoma does the same.
I kinda like they try to justify shooting the heart over the head as a quicker death kek. I'd rather be shot in the head but suspect that's the point.
I think a heart shot might be cleaner overall. Gets that blood to stop pumping, which guarantees a quick death, while a headshot could just bounce through some unimportant part of the brain and leave you twitching on the ground till you bleed out.
The problem with your logic is that you think hitting the brain is 100% always instant death, but remember that Lincoln was shot point blank in the back of the skull and while he went into a coma that dude was alive for a day or more I think. The fact is evolution has given your skull and brain lots of wiggle room when it comes to surviving.
Think of it like getting punched in the face (ow, but completely recoverable) vs a livershot (it'll knock down anyone). The heart is the best option.
There was a French general in 1870 who shot himself in the forehead with the barrel against his skull. He lived.
Pistols at the time were just shit.
He was shot with a small round. Any service rifle today would explode the braincase with a point blank shot, it really would be as quick and painless as it can possibly get.
>The shooters’ identities are kept anonymous, and one of their rifles is loaded with a blank round so nobody knows which officer killed the inmate.
But anyone who has ever shot a rifle before will know the difference in recoil between a .30-30 and a blank..
That's okay because there isn't really a blank.
Clearly why it’s important to get people who have never fired a rifle before to be on the firing squad
If you had a flawless memory and didn't have the sliver of doubt that was amplified by your brain's coping mechanisms so that you'll never really be sure, you'd have more of a point, but thankfully the human brain is very good at making itself believe anything.
>i'm a noguns and never shot a blank
thanks for wasting precious O2
"lmao i bet I've got the blank so I won't fire"
>everyone shoots and the guy doesn't die
"Frick."
>There are always more volunteers than spots on the squad, Ray has said.
12g with expanding slugs.
30-06 hollowpoints
35mm
7.62x54r PZ exploding rounds
why not just 9mm hollow points? 4 should be lethal
i think you recall incorrectly the last was done with 30-06. but usually its just whatever the standard police marksman rifle is which is .308 in most states
Can't go wrong with a classic
Hits a bit different when they didn't ask for it, and especially when odds are it wasn't even a violent crime, doesn't it?
yes, yes it does.
thats a type 81
Yep, very fun gun. like an AK with a bolt hold open and an SKS piston
This is your brain on communism
Splattered on a wall?
>odds are it wasn't even a violent crime
owning land is a violent crime, they deserved far worse than they got
elon musk lookin' ass
You morons don’t even know the story behind that one. She fricking murdered her husband with a cleaver. I don’t remember if she killed her kid or not.
FAMAS
much better way to go than lethan injection
A decent caliber through the heart would be a good way to go. Just drop like a game animal.
Its like a Candom for gays, very safe to prevent reproduction
30-06 M1903 Springfield bolt action.
Five riflemen firing center mass, one gets a blank.
based
also my choice would be Lee Enfield Mk.I Rifle cause Breaker Morant
>one gets a blank.
for what purpose
I believe the original rationale for that was so that the soldier could cope. "Well, how do I know I shot the bullet that killed the guy? I probably got the blank."
wouldnt the blank have way less recoil?
Cope is one hell of a drug
That's the way I see it.
There will be just enough plausible deniability
>I dunno, I think I had one of the blanks. It just felt a little lighter you know?
full load blanks can still have a bit of recoil, certainly makes enough noise, and i'd imagine that in the heat of the moment of executing someone you more than likely aren't paying enough attention to really notice
30-06 M1903 Springfield bolt action.
Five riflemen firing center mass, everyone gets a blank.
Bunch holes in his body before the execution, animate his corpse with anamatronovs, and use exploding blood packs.
I would suggest rigging some shotguns together into an execution machine, but that would make a mess.
Painless though.
>I would suggest rigging some shotguns together into an execution machine
GAU-19 rebarreled for 12 gauge, and a comfy chair with a head rest positioned a few yards in front of the gun for the shot pattern to fully open up to head size. With normal 2 3/4 inch #4 buck you'd be delivering 450 .24 pellets in a 1 second burst.
ar15
hydrostatic shock, baby
I wouldn't want a high caliber rifle cartridge meant for 800 yards.
Either a high powered pistol cartridge, a modern small caliber rifle cartridge, or go ful hog with 50 cal machine gun - and yes, if chosen, I want 5 machine guns lined up, all blasing at the same time, center mass.
*ping*
Instead of a needle going into your eye, a robot moves the muzzle of a shotgun to it.
>Blowing from a gun is a method of execution in which the victim is typically tied to the mouth of a cannon which is then fired
>The prisoner is generally tied to a gun with the upper part of the small of his back resting against the muzzle. When the gun is fired, his head is seen to go straight up into the air some forty or fifty feet; the arms fly off right and left, high up in the air, and fall at, perhaps, a hundred yards distance; the legs drop to the ground beneath the muzzle of the gun; and the body is literally blown away altogether, not a vestige being seen.
>When the gun is fired, his head is seen to go straight up into the air some forty or fifty feet; the arms fly off right and left, high up in the air
This is some Looney Tunes shit
>there was an order that blank cartridge should be used, but some guns were loaded with grapeshot instead. Several of the spectators facing the cannons were hit by the grapeshot and some had to have limbs amputated as a result. In addition, some of the soldiers had not been withdrawn properly and sustained injuries from being hit by pieces of flesh and bone
kek
Whys gandalf being executed
that's saruman (sharkey) after the hobbits caught him in the scouring of the shire
>In terms of getting the job done quickly and causing as little suffering as possible.
>Keep in mind also that it should not be an "unusual" weapon.
>Asking for a friend, of course.
>One wretched fellow slipped from the rope by which he was tied to the guns just before the explosion, and his arm was nearly set on fire. While hanging in his agony under the gun, a sergeant applied a pistol to his head; and three times the cap snapped, the man each time wincing from the expected shot. At last, a rifle was fired into the back of his head, and the blood poured out of the nose and mouth like water from a briskly handled pump. This was the most horrible sight of all. I have seen death in all its forms, but never anything to equal this man's end.
That guy's death was a fricking Loony Toons routine from hell.
>Blowing from a gun
I choose one of those gun girls or maybe a 155 Howitzer to get my head more range.
Everybody has Tommy Guns, and has to wear pinstriped suits with fedoras
And they play that scene from Home Alone.
Hi Point c9.
If u get kill by hi point god wont let u in2 heven
Modern cap and ball M1851 Navy revolvers. .36 caliber ball will put someone in the ground and it's cheap. Just have one designated executioner whose job is to walk up and pop the guy in the back of the head with all six chambers. Bonus points for style.
5.56 with 2 guns aimed at the head and 3 guns aimed at the heart
just make sure it has wooden furniture, make it a classy affair
>the hill
A literal leftist rag
You're on /k/eddit. What do you think these people read?
>The Hill
>leftist
Correct.
You're terminally moronic, sorry bud.
thats you akshuly
8in cannon
>You're on /k/eddit. What do you think these people read?
Auto Shotguns with tungsten BB or #4 shot
https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-dictator-kim-jong-uns-executions-anti-aircraft-guns-flamethrowers-mortars
>“The musicians just disappeared each time the guns were fired into them. Their bodies were blown to bits, totally destroyed, blood and bits flying everywhere…and then, after that, military tanks moved in and they ran over the bits on the ground where the remains lay."
>They were lashed to the end of anti-aircraft guns,” she said. “A gun was fired, the noise was deafening, absolutely terrifying. And the guns were fired one after the other.”
This makes more sense and is dramatically more believable then. Just 20th centrury blowing from a gun
.45 ACP. kills the soul.
only silver bullets kill souls anon (and mayber enchanted bullets), you should know better than that, well unless it was a silver .45acp
M14
You ever seen how they do it in China? None of that firing squad shit. Two people grab the prisoner's arms and hold them in a kneeling position and the executioner shoots them point blank in the back of the head with a service rifle. Very cold and bug-like. None of that "two of you have blanks" stuff.
>Before being executed, all prisoners on death row are transferred to Minsk Detention Center No. 1 (CИЗO, or SIZO No. 1), in the country's capital Minsk.[14] The method used to carry out the sentence is execution by shooting.[7] The executioner is a member of the "committee for the execution of sentences," which also chooses the area where the execution will take place.[14] According to the book The Death Squad by Oleg Alkayev (Oлeг Aлкaeв), on the day of execution the convict is transported to a secret location where he is told by officials that all appeals have been rejected. The convict is then blindfolded and taken to a nearby room, where two staffers force him to kneel in front of a bullet backstop. The executioner then shoots the convict in the back of his head with a PB-9 pistol equipped with a suppressor. According to Alkayev, "The whole procedure, starting with the announcement about denied appeals and ending with the gunshot, lasts no longer than two minutes".[15]
Why did they even do that blank shit in the west? Was it because the soldiers in ww1 and ww2 were mostly conscripts? Because I'm sure many people could work as executioners and not lose any sleep over it.
Because we have more ethical standards in the west. Russians and Chinese are more willing to kill eachother for material gain because culturally the individual doesn't matter.
Whats ethical about that? Its cowardly. You're killing someone, but you want to be able to say "M-maybe I had the blank so my hands are clean!" You're a fricking pussy. If you cant handle doing the states work then get off the frickin pot.
it's probably a holdover from when firing squads weren't volunteer only
It's a holdover from the middle ages when Christian societies were wrestling with the whole "Thou shalt not kill" rule in the bible while also wanting fun and spectacular public executions where the whole family could watch and cheer how funny that thief looks as he twitches and dangles from the gallows. Their solution was to pretty much establish a caste of people that were socially excluded: The Executioners. Before long, executioners and their descendants had their own seats in taverns, their own beer mugs, their own spaces where they were officially allowed to go, all just so that they could be kept apart from everyone. They had no friends, and anyone intermarrying with an executioner or an executioner's family member was expected to be socially ostracized the same way that the executioners themselves did. They were officially sanctioned but socially excluded, pretty much tolerated only as a 'necessary evil' because everyone knew that without them they wouldn't have such fun public spectacles anymore, because the bible has that whole 'no fun' rule about them.
I think pretty much any American service rifle caliber would be fine. Even 5.56.
Man's getting shot right in the boiler room by several guys, he'll die quickly.
That's execution by shooting, it has it's own category and considering it's directly targeting the medulla oblongata it's probably more humane than a classic firing squad.
The west just considers it disgusting, too personal and brutal.
I think that's silly but what do I know, I'm just a depraved 4han schizo
It's inhumane for the person tasked as an executioner. Unless if you're a complete psychopath, that will do something to your humanity. I doubt every person with that duty is a psychopath, albeit there has to be some.
Also please do not lewd Adrien. Thank you.
they could just tie you to a post and have robot controlled guns shoot you. they could even have the robots hooked up to a kosher switch that a rabbi turns on so no human is responsible for it.
Or just have the rabbi kill him. Cuz, y'know.
For me... 45-70 lever guns please. All the executioners can wear cowboy LARP gear
Oh hell yeah. I want Doc Holliday and Warp brothers impersonators as my squad. The Earps can use Colt SAA’s and Doc can let me have all three shots from his double barrel 10 gauge.
Whatever the local police departments standard round is. May as well use it as an opportunity to train your officers
Shot placement.
Something that most people in this thread are missing is the term "firing squad." Emphasis on "squad." This is not a single shot from a pistol or rifle, it is a group of people firing simultaneously. So long as every member of that group is a qualified marksman and takes the shot exactly on-mark (under one inch from the ten ring), we're talking about seven to a dozen bullets hitting near-simultaneously from about 20-30 feet.
So, now we're talking about shot placement with a rifle by trained marksmen, and this option is the best
. A 5.56 is a top-tier but messy as all frick option, but there are certainly others. A .38 Spl or .357 mag from a carbine would be better and just as effective, a .30-06 or .308 would be almost as messy as 5.56, even a .22 mag to reduce the mess and not have insane optics of an exploded skull and completely inverted chest cavity. Beyond the caliber of the gun, we also need to talk about the load for the cartridge and the bullet type.
This is not entirely a valid point under such conditions
. The important part is that there should be two targets with half the squad assigned to one and half to the other. You do not necessarily die instantly from a heart shot, but you will die "quickly." However, several bullets hitting through the center of the head will cause so much trauma & damage that, if they somehow don't kill by themselves, the person will experience so much shock that they won't feel anything or know what's going on before they die from the heart shots.
To answer OP more directly, I'd personally use a squad of a dozen people, no less, and .22 mag 55 grain match grade soft points. That's six through the heart, six through the bridge of the nose at least 1500 fps if not 1900, pretty much minimum mess and instant death. You could even use two blanks in a squad that size, so it's five and five through each target, and nobody could tell if they fired a bullet or a blank.
So there's no chance whatsoever of him miraculously surviving the firing squad?
If most or all of the firing squad deliberately aimed to miss their targets.
Otherwise, re-read the post and do the maths. 0.00% chance of failure if the firing squad does their part. Which would include the training beforehand to be a qualified marksman. We operate also under the assumption that the rifles are all checked out to be in perfect working condition, designed for flawless performance, and the ammunition is Olympic grade match ammo. The person being executed can be strapped into a sitting position with his/her head immobilized to prevent any twitching that might degrade the accuracy of the shots.
There is still another option at this point
. The firing squad doesn't even have to be humans. We have the technology for automatically aimed weapons with precision down to the sub-millimeter at 10 meters' distance. A single executioner can press a button and all 12 rounds would fire within a millisecond of each other.
In fact, the precision would be so tight that slight deviation would have to be programmed into the targeting and the synchronization to prevent the bullets from colliding at the target point.
Even another option to consider is that gunpowder rounds aren't even required. Air guns are perfectly capable of delivering lethal shots, with properly designed bullets. The perfect velocity can be dialed in for each execution to account for an individual's body type or other variables. All the heart shots would not even exit the torso, the head shots would barely crack the back of the skull.
I would argue it'd be somewhat cold and undignified to do death by robot. Something about having the machine pull the trigger just doesn't seem right. I'd say at that point we may as well have a pneumatic spike installed in a helmet kill him like cattle. No it has to be humans, they at least deserve some dignity in their last moment
It's no different than the electric chair or hanging. A human still pulls the lever. What machine it activates is irrelevant, other than what is most humane.
Your argument, taken to its conclusion, is that one human must kill another human with his bare hands, nothing other than skin on skin. We're way past that phase.
Strictly in terms of getting the job done quickly and causing as little suffering as possible? And it needs to be common? No other concerns?
It would have to be a Shotgun, obviously. Five simultaneous close range hits from 12 gauge shotgun shells to the chest will just about turn your torso inside out.
Hell of a mess though, might be more disturbing for the squad.
Japan still hangs people, and as long as you tie the noose correctly, it snaps the neck instantly. Anything's more humane than injections though. That shit's fricking disgusting, and it only got worse when they had to replace the functional poison with crappy alternatives that barely even work.
Just let me OD on morphine, its literally that easy.
The goal is to punish not reward
I thought the goal was to kill
Punishment is only a pavlovian tool to prevent further crime.
When killing somebody you remove any possibility of further crimes, cruelty is unnecessary.
Submachine gun on a fixed post shot at the heart.
I mean if people are going to kill you with a gun a direct hit with an artillery round should vaporize things and make it instantaneous. A 20mm at the chest or head. Even small arms sounds better than a lethal injection a 30-06 or something. I'd if I had to die and was given a choice beg for something other than electrocution or lethal injection. If I was guilty or not. I'd consider it much more humane to just get shot. Especially with a higher caliber that will do the job.
Walther Model 2
Good call dark history anon, dark stuff for real.
This guy shot more people than any other one person in history.
No wonder he turned the gun on himself.
He died of a heart attack?
>Blokhin was forcibly retired following Stalin's death in March 1953. However, his "irreproachable service" was publicly noted by Beria at the time of his departure.[8] When Beria himself was removed in June, Blokhin's rank was stripped from him in the de-Stalinization campaigns of Nikita Khrushchev.
>Already an alcoholic, Blokhin died on 3 February 1955, aged 60.[21] The official cause of death was listed as suicide;[14][22][23] however, his personnel files recorded that he died due to a heart attack.[24]
So, it's not 100% clear, but if the documentation is correct it was a heart attack, which isn't particularly odd for an aging alcoholic.
A dozen men each armed with an orbez. I'd also demand that my execution take place indoors.
>orbez
This is an execution anon, not a daterape.
Cannon
?t=164
8 Garands with 1 round each in the en bloc clip
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/supreme-court-death-row-inmates/index.html
look at the authors lmao
Rifle to the back of the head would do it but no state will do it because it would make an open casket funeral impossible.
firing squad is a bit ridiculous. whats wrong with a 9mm or a 38 to the dome?
Mosin–Nagant
a volley gun of grapeshot?
Pump action Henry 22 loaded with 22 shorts.
Bazooka.
>Asking for a friend, of course.
.303 Lee Enfield
>WE CAUGHT THEM
>AND WE SHOT THEM
>UNDER RULE
>THREE
>OH
>THREE
If you used a gun to murder someone and then get sentenced to death, you should be executed with the same gun
The k98 has to have executed the most people, so logically it would be the best
kek 15+ men firing squad for 1 guy
And the dude seems to be smiling, hell I'd probably be smiling too.
I mean, whatever you've done it got them REALLY pissed.
Psychopaths and trolls. There's really no difference.
>Do what you must, I have already won.
the mosin has probably executed more people than the k98
anything that shoots .50 bmg rounds
A howitzer.
12g slug
I dunno a fricking anti-materiel rifle probably does the job
We should use an M16 so it wounds him and other death row inmates come to help.
Well of6 we're gonna be traditional it's gotta be a manual action weapon, usually a service weapon. Sometimes someone not in the firing squad would load the rifles, with 1 or 2 being blank so noone knows for sure who killed the guy. The M1903 would be a patrician choice. That's not available though so frick it, AR-15s, 20 inch A2 pattern with 77 grain expanding rounds and no gas tube. Seems perfect
Flamethrower.
If given the choice I'd go with a firing squad over some shitty injection or getting gassed
.950 jdj loaded with dum-dum rounds
Eh. Whatever works. If they got any surplus garands around or Enfield rifles that would be pretty aesthetic.
MG42 from 50 yards.
to anyone wondering iirc the dude has a medical condition that supposedly would cause his veins to melt or burst or something if given a lethal injection. cruel and unusual punishment.
if i had to choose for myself id go with brrrrr.
6.5 sneedmore
16in battleship gun (condemned is fired from it)
Firing squads suck.
>Won't kill you instantly.
>Executioners pussying out and needing to be reassured that they have a blank cartridge & stand behind a screen where they can't actually see the shooting.
Commies have unironically the best gun-execution method: just a bullet to the head.
that's because communists aren't human and don't have souls
155mm howitzerMLRS
artillery needs to train and exercise anyway might as well place death row inmates in the middle of the impact area
painless,instant death
m1 garand with soft tip hunting bullets.
you are all thinking too small. Go big or go home.
Am I the only one who would 100% rather die by lethal injection ?
You get sedatives first and your body would still be intact after you die, it's as if you went to sleep.
Getting bullets holes in your heart must be painful not even mentioning the eyes or teeth and what a bloody mess it would be.
Every time I see someone on the internet saying they'd prefer the fire squad I think he's fricking with me and that's a meme like the missionary position meme. No way someone seriously thinks a gunshot is better than being put to sleep.
The problem is the europoors are blocking access to the normal triple wienertail of drugs, forcing prisons to essentially experiment on the condemned. That's the ultimate issue here.
The idea of being strapped to a table and pumped full of drugs until I die is absolutely abhorrent to me. Legitimately the stuff of nightmares. I can't quite place why, but it does legitimately seem like a more offensive way to go than being tied to a post and shot, unironically.
lethal injection is how you put pets down and watching it done to my cat I wouldn't even do it again. firing squad and decapitation have more dignity because they are used for humans. lethal injection is only memed as more humane because it's bloodless.
I like to imagine that lethal injection is the excrutiating, but we don't know because everyone who experiences it never talks about it.
Use an anti aircraft gun like they do in North Korea.