What's the best home defense rifle without getting an SBR'?

I'm thinking about the following options:
Folding AK in 7.62
M4gery in.223 or .300 blackout
Full-size AR in .223
Going full retard with an AR10 (undecided on barrel length)

Which one should I pick and why?
My home is really more like a big apartment so I'm kind of concerned about maneuverability. But there are also gangs using body armor occasionally now, so I'm also worried about that.

I already have a dedicated shtf rifle, a 22' AR in .223, so long range shooting isn't really relevant here

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't flashbang yourself. 9mm supressed or 45

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This may not be the most fun answer ever but if you've already got an AR of any kind you're probably fine. If you just want to buy something because you want something super specialized for home defense the best thing you can do is buy something surpressed so that in the event you ever actually do have to use it your eardrums don't explode

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't flashbang yourself. 9mm supressed or 45

      Makes sense. For effective suppression it's basically either 7.62 or .300 blackout then, right? Or maybe some pistol caliber

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >effective suppression
        I thought you were in an apartment

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A suppressor will still work though won't it? Even if everything is louder in general

          https://i.imgur.com/ZrLJs7f.jpg

          Unironically a bullpup. I don't even like them, but they're made for this and the drawbacks like shittier reload and prone ergonomics and shittier trigger don't matter at all for HD.

          You know, that's probably the best approach

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just a 16", or 14.5 pin and welded AR in 5.56.
    5.56 does better at not penetrating as much if you miss compared to especially 7.62x39, you also won't want to shoot a folded AK if you don't have to, and you don't want to try and be fucking around with it in the moment.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically a bullpup. I don't even like them, but they're made for this and the drawbacks like shittier reload and prone ergonomics and shittier trigger don't matter at all for HD.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    semi auto shotgun is the way

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many home invasions do you and your neighbors experience each year that you’re thinking of buying a rifle specifically for that? If it’s seriously that bad I’d just recommend moving to a better part of town.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My funko p-, I mean gun, collection isn't going to get any bigger with that attitude!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't understand. Some of us identity as operators and sheep dogs. We need to consoom to bolster our self image. Buying a gun or truck for "SHTF" is a much quicker hit of dopamine than developing survival skills or working out. Who wants to practice living outdoors in the winter for weeks at a time? It's not like shit will actually hit the fan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's funny because neither of those things will actually change your outcome as much as being friends with your neighbors.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm reality you should move and you could use literally anything. If you are retard maxing, like your post suggests:
    AR in 350 L. Many of the design considerations for 5.56 don't matter for home defense.
    300BO is weak and struggles to kill small-medium game
    Folding AK won't have you any advantage over 300BO
    AR10 will just waste a bunch of powder making you go deaf.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best HD weapon is an AR pistol in 350 Legend, it'll punch through 3A, is maneuverable, widely available and easy to suppress as well.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A 12 Gauge shotgun of any type. Of the common defense options, by far the most devastating and lethal wounds in close quarters and cheap to boot

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reliable, small PPW/SMG model with suppressor, 30+ round capacity.

    The SBR thing is people wanting to LARP as muh ebin operator, not realizing the SBR is a compromise based on the need to perhaps reach out 100+ yards.

    They are far from ideal for over pen and are going to quite harsh on your ears at a time when you really need your hearing.

    While an SA SMG is obviously neutered, there is a reason hostage rescue and similar special forces still use these.

    You can get a much shorter, quite, potentially higher capacity defense weapon for your money if you're not jumping on the SBR bandwagon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Inb4 what if 8 guys show up in head to toe ballistics armor, with level III shields too and NODs!
      This is a fantasy and a dumb one. If someone with means wanted you dead they'd just shoot you when you were out and tying your shoe or waiting in traffic, or just bomb your house/light your place on fire.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sadly, a bullpup is probably your best bet. the shitty trigger and shitty reloads won't matter but the handiness will. I own an FS2000 just for hurricane season.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically a bullpup. I have a x95, 16 inch barrel in a package smaller than the SBRcuck. I think the trigger is fine but some people are crybabies about it and replace it. Also you can try an Aug or the VHS.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.56mm is not going to cut it against modern armor and lacks even the muzzle energy for BABT that is meaningful.

    Thankfully, someone put out an 11mm rifle round. Cartridge size does mean the mag only carries 6 rounds, but this will actually put the bad guys down. Built in muzzle brake too. Definitely a good go to for home defense.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    14.5" P&W or 16" AR. Unless you got to go retrieve defenseless people in your home to move them somewhere safe, you're not going room clearing if you're smart. You're going to post up in a room and blast the boot lip who comes in.

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