I dunno man, I'm more a pistol guy. I have 3 AR's, and my 3 bcg's are: >some no name that came from some shitty company that doesn't exist anymore that I bought during the AR gold rush a couple years after the AWB expiration. It might be a toolcraft, it might be shit. It only has like low hundreds rounds on it and has worked fine >Spike's Tactical which is almost definitely a tool craft and works fine with the ~2000 rounds on it >Alpha shooting sports which has hit or miss reviews. I only ever took it to an indoor range once to test out, Probably less than 100 rounds
I just want 1 rock solid bcg in my main gun to not have to worry about some garbage bcg fricking up in a real, not at the range, situation. It doesn't have to be some overpriced shit, but looking around everything recommended was the typical KAC and LMT shit. Feel free to shit on me for my poor decisions.
>best bcg that isn't some unobtanium shit like a sandcutter or e-bolt?
>JP
[...] >Surefire
Does everyone on this board have to be a total moron all the time?
[...] >Sionics np3
Standard Sionics is fine too.
Centurion Arms
DD
np3 >Standard Sionics is fine too. >Centurion Arms >DD
^Non junk suggestions
You could also look for a non-marked microbest, or toolcraft. Even the milspec BCGs from Stag Arms should be Ok.
Standard is fine too, correct phosphate is just as great just a pain to clean but then again it shouldnt probably be expected to be as clean and slick as a chrome bcg and thats okay.
What's the best bcg that isn't some unobtanium shit like a sandcutter or e-bolt?
My brother in christ, do you know about battlefield vegas? Also keep in mind the daniel defense barrel life tests, the bcgs last the life of the barrel basically. Really activates the almonds.
If you are running your gun suppressed I can recommend the gemtech suppressed bcg. It really is a difference on the suppressed setting. Sage Dynamics has a video on it too from the time when je wasn’t a paid shill. Also runs perfectly unsuppressed.
How does this suppressed setting work?I've been thinking about getting a surefire bcg or lmt bcg because I heard their modifications work really well for suppressed use, but haven't heard about the gemtech one
Hard to explain. You basically have a larger vent channel that allows more gas to escape so the internal piston doesnt open as violently. The gasses are vented out of the ejection port but for the life of mine I cant explain why you actually feel that there is less gas coming out and into your face.
How does this suppressed setting work?I've been thinking about getting a surefire bcg or lmt bcg because I heard their modifications work really well for suppressed use, but haven't heard about the gemtech one
And you can switch to the normal setting in which not as much gas is vented out there. Its basically normal operation.
>What is the best of the best?
If money and availability aren't an issue, then I'd say LMT enhanced. Maybe not the enhanced carrier, but def the enhanced bolt.
BCGs that go beyond the milspec TDP:
Scionics NPC
Forward Controls
TDP milspec BCGs:
Scionics (phosphate)
DD
LMT standard bcg
COLT
Centurion Arms
>Add more mass >Make the buffer smaller
HURRR DUURRRR It shoots softer! (Results and experiences may vary). I hate you morons with a burning passion. AR BCG have to remain within a very specific spec to work with the AR platform. You can't add too much, you can't change too much and you can't take away too much. Any and all changes to BCGs are superficial and theoretical at best.
Get this through your head, CHUD. There is NOT a way to do these things.
You can ONLY shoot a gas port size/ gas block position and spring weight that STONER designed. If you change anything you are a DOUBLE Black person. ATHE AR!% IS PERFECT AND CANNOT BE TAMPERED WITH.,, IT IS A HALLOWED OBJECT AND ANYONE SEEKING TO DEFILE IT WITH THEIR GRUBBY MITTS SHOULD BE CAST INTO THE RIVER STYX FOR THEIR HEINOUS CRIME
Damn, if only we could get the guy that created the AR15 and maybe a few other firearms that were extremely successful, to come down and figure out how to work within those specs while upgrading the AR BCG.
Unfortunately that'd be just a dream I suppose.
Noveskes are still in stock everywhere I have looked and I like mine so far. What are you looking for in a BCG besides: doesn't frick up feed, it seats the shell, it goes boom, and it extracts and ejects the casing?
Looking for a company that has proven over time to not cut corners and frick up heat treating, companies that last the longest before catastrophic failure like the carrier cracking at the cam hole. Shit like that mainly. Np3 and stuff is cool not just for cleaning but as your rifle cruds up and heats up while shooting the extra lubricity aids function.
they're not great. bfv doesn't use them for a reason. they don't actually last. they used to get shilled on here and now they get shilled on reddit. i wouldn't buy one.
they're not great. bfv doesn't use them for a reason. they don't actually last. they used to get shilled on here and now they get shilled on reddit. i wouldn't buy one.
I'm not saying it's "the best", but I have a Faxon BCG and it's been great so far. It's got a nitride finish and they chamfered the bolt lugs. No idea how big of a difference that makes, but it's been good. I'm shooting it in a rifle length gas so it's very soft-shooting to start with.
I remember reading an arfcom thread made by the guy that owns battlefield vegas where he discusses weapons and components they've used over the years. IIRC daniel defense bolts hold up super well. it might be worth it to goggle around and find the thread
Yeah he said they mainly use DD and sometimes LMT. Anything else wasn't cost effective. Cheaper bcgs would break so fast it wasn't even worth it. A $200 DD bcg is the most cost effective in the long run.
>unobtanium shit like a sandcutter
DSA makes them. They're like $100. KAC "muh muh fuggin sandcutter SCIENCe & INNOVATION TM" is literal midwit nonsense on full display. Rounded lugs and small pin carrier is from LMT's crane program too lmao.
KAC was the shit in 2008 back when no one (realistically) had all the upgrades in one ready to go package. Today? Nah.
So name some then. Not the shitty young tapered bolt that shit sucks and breaks lugs so often its embarrassing. It does not survive in a short mk18 type gun
They literally (correct use not hyperbolic) made less than 20 guns over covid per mandatory manufacturing reporting requirements by the ATF. ATF posts that data on their website free for you to view.
KAC basically doesn't exist as a civilian gun manufacturer. They're Colt 2.0 but 1000x worse.
Best stand alone companies would be something like Sharp or Lantac. From there you have your name brand companies like KAC, LMT. I'm not an expert, but I have 3 different ones. A phosphate from Brownells, a Nitride from IwI and a Nickle Boron from Lantac and the Lantac one is many times better. Smoother, more cuts, port vents are faced forward to redirect gas and the gas key is chrome lined. By rule, go with price. The more expensive the better, $250+ but make sure you research before buying.
This thread is a perfect example of /k/'s bottomless pit of moronation.
OP asks for best versions X, gets endless endorsements for W, Y, and Z. Not to mention the outright factually incorrect information put forth as fact.
This post is a perfect example of the visiting r*dditors and their moronation.
OP asks for the best version of X, gets random angry homosexuals like this who don't know the answer to the question but get offended by it anyway somehow
That's a weird looking dildo clit vibrator thing.
JP
that's also not a crazy departure from milspec, but I'm open to this, but need to look into it more
>best bcg that isn't some unobtanium shit like a sandcutter or e-bolt?
>JP
>Surefire
Does everyone on this board have to be a total moron all the time?
>Sionics np3
Standard Sionics is fine too.
Centurion Arms
DD
I dunno man, I'm more a pistol guy. I have 3 AR's, and my 3 bcg's are:
>some no name that came from some shitty company that doesn't exist anymore that I bought during the AR gold rush a couple years after the AWB expiration. It might be a toolcraft, it might be shit. It only has like low hundreds rounds on it and has worked fine
>Spike's Tactical which is almost definitely a tool craft and works fine with the ~2000 rounds on it
>Alpha shooting sports which has hit or miss reviews. I only ever took it to an indoor range once to test out, Probably less than 100 rounds
I just want 1 rock solid bcg in my main gun to not have to worry about some garbage bcg fricking up in a real, not at the range, situation. It doesn't have to be some overpriced shit, but looking around everything recommended was the typical KAC and LMT shit. Feel free to shit on me for my poor decisions.
>I just want 1 rock solid bcg in my main gu
np3
>Standard Sionics is fine too.
>Centurion Arms
>DD
^Non junk suggestions
You could also look for a non-marked microbest, or toolcraft. Even the milspec BCGs from Stag Arms should be Ok.
>Not using select fire.
What’s bad about the Surefire?
>What’s bad about the Surefire?
It isn't readily available
Standard is fine too, correct phosphate is just as great just a pain to clean but then again it shouldnt probably be expected to be as clean and slick as a chrome bcg and thats okay.
Hahaha.
My brother in christ, do you know about battlefield vegas? Also keep in mind the daniel defense barrel life tests, the bcgs last the life of the barrel basically. Really activates the almonds.
Surefire
Sionics np3
If you are running your gun suppressed I can recommend the gemtech suppressed bcg. It really is a difference on the suppressed setting. Sage Dynamics has a video on it too from the time when je wasn’t a paid shill. Also runs perfectly unsuppressed.
I'm still waiting on my approval for my first .22 can. I'm sure I'll get around to a big boy can one day.
How does this suppressed setting work?I've been thinking about getting a surefire bcg or lmt bcg because I heard their modifications work really well for suppressed use, but haven't heard about the gemtech one
Hard to explain. You basically have a larger vent channel that allows more gas to escape so the internal piston doesnt open as violently. The gasses are vented out of the ejection port but for the life of mine I cant explain why you actually feel that there is less gas coming out and into your face.
And you can switch to the normal setting in which not as much gas is vented out there. Its basically normal operation.
They stopped making these years ago.
>a bcg so good the manufacturer discontinued it immediately for lack of sales
bootleg's bcg is the way to go now for suppressed.
Which features make a "good" BCG ? My Euro AR has a prismatic heavy phosphate one, does that sound good to you ?
What is the best of the best?
>What is the best of the best?
If money and availability aren't an issue, then I'd say LMT enhanced. Maybe not the enhanced carrier, but def the enhanced bolt.
BCGs that go beyond the milspec TDP:
Scionics NPC
Forward Controls
TDP milspec BCGs:
Scionics (phosphate)
DD
LMT standard bcg
COLT
Centurion Arms
>colt
Lolno.
Maybe 30 years ago, but not since.
See here
Obc is objectively the best carrier when used with it's custom buffer, and if you want to make the ultimate bcg possible put a lot ebolt in it
Surefire.
Made by Sullivan himself as an improvement on the AR.
The problem is that its very expensive and not always available.
>Add more mass
>Make the buffer smaller
HURRR DUURRRR It shoots softer! (Results and experiences may vary). I hate you morons with a burning passion. AR BCG have to remain within a very specific spec to work with the AR platform. You can't add too much, you can't change too much and you can't take away too much. Any and all changes to BCGs are superficial and theoretical at best.
If only there was a way to change the gas pressure and spring weight…
Get this through your head, CHUD. There is NOT a way to do these things.
You can ONLY shoot a gas port size/ gas block position and spring weight that STONER designed. If you change anything you are a DOUBLE Black person. ATHE AR!% IS PERFECT AND CANNOT BE TAMPERED WITH.,, IT IS A HALLOWED OBJECT AND ANYONE SEEKING TO DEFILE IT WITH THEIR GRUBBY MITTS SHOULD BE CAST INTO THE RIVER STYX FOR THEIR HEINOUS CRIME
smol brain + mald
Sad!
Damn, if only we could get the guy that created the AR15 and maybe a few other firearms that were extremely successful, to come down and figure out how to work within those specs while upgrading the AR BCG.
Unfortunately that'd be just a dream I suppose.
Noveskes are still in stock everywhere I have looked and I like mine so far. What are you looking for in a BCG besides: doesn't frick up feed, it seats the shell, it goes boom, and it extracts and ejects the casing?
Doesn’t get locked up on a magazine the rifle is resting on.
yeah, shoots from resting on the mag fine.
I would think that problem would be from your lower having too much give though.
Looking for a company that has proven over time to not cut corners and frick up heat treating, companies that last the longest before catastrophic failure like the carrier cracking at the cam hole. Shit like that mainly. Np3 and stuff is cool not just for cleaning but as your rifle cruds up and heats up while shooting the extra lubricity aids function.
get a toolcraft and live your life knowing you got a really good BCG.
they're not great. bfv doesn't use them for a reason. they don't actually last. they used to get shilled on here and now they get shilled on reddit. i wouldn't buy one.
who the frick is bfv? toolcraft are fine. they OEM of other people
Ignore
Personally I’m happy w BCM
>sSSwwWSSSHHHSSWWSSShhhH
great review
>Young Manufacturing Chrome M16 BCG with HMB Bolt
Chrome is nice. Grease stays in the cam pin socket.
Chrome is King
I'm not saying it's "the best", but I have a Faxon BCG and it's been great so far. It's got a nitride finish and they chamfered the bolt lugs. No idea how big of a difference that makes, but it's been good. I'm shooting it in a rifle length gas so it's very soft-shooting to start with.
I remember reading an arfcom thread made by the guy that owns battlefield vegas where he discusses weapons and components they've used over the years. IIRC daniel defense bolts hold up super well. it might be worth it to goggle around and find the thread
Centipedes? In MY vegana?
>it's more likely than you think!
Yeah he said they mainly use DD and sometimes LMT. Anything else wasn't cost effective. Cheaper bcgs would break so fast it wasn't even worth it. A $200 DD bcg is the most cost effective in the long run.
>What's the best bcg that isn't some unobtanium shit like a sandcutter or e-bolt?
three $85 PSA BCGs for the price of one gucci BCG
Literally will not last as long as one DD bolt. You're losing money if you do this.
One DD bolt isn’t going over 30,000 rounds
>unobtanium shit like a sandcutter
DSA makes them. They're like $100. KAC "muh muh fuggin sandcutter SCIENCe & INNOVATION TM" is literal midwit nonsense on full display. Rounded lugs and small pin carrier is from LMT's crane program too lmao.
KAC was the shit in 2008 back when no one (realistically) had all the upgrades in one ready to go package. Today? Nah.
So what bolt has rounded lugs and a smaller cam pin?
Pre crane contract LMT enhanced bolt. Cam pin resize dropped at Crane's request for backwards compatibility.
Lots of improved bolts out there now if you're talking current year.
What current bolts have those features?
So name some then. Not the shitty young tapered bolt that shit sucks and breaks lugs so often its embarrassing. It does not survive in a short mk18 type gun
the answer is always kac
They literally (correct use not hyperbolic) made less than 20 guns over covid per mandatory manufacturing reporting requirements by the ATF. ATF posts that data on their website free for you to view.
KAC basically doesn't exist as a civilian gun manufacturer. They're Colt 2.0 but 1000x worse.
that's fine, i just like product. sorry
Kac lower, not ambi. #fashionvictim
more like
>kac lower
>titusville instead of vero beach
one way ticket to oofsville breh
I've shot the frick out of Rubber City Armory BCGs over the past 10 years and they've all ran like champs
i only shoot psa nitride bcg
Surefire obc
If money is no object switch the bolt itself for an ebolt since the obc uses a standard milspec bolt, all the magic is in the carrier
https://lmtdefense.com/live/#clip=3gbyptzfkmck&time=
you can just ask LMT guys right now, they're doing a live session.
BCM has a good one that's not insanely expensive
Any info on Radian’s bcg?
Bootleg adjustable.
People shit on geissele, but their bcg did excellent in its autopsy. JP FMOS, and surefire bcg would probably be excellent too.
Azimuth enhanced. About 120 right now
why is kac stuff so expensive?
Alright what about Davidson Defense though?
Best stand alone companies would be something like Sharp or Lantac. From there you have your name brand companies like KAC, LMT. I'm not an expert, but I have 3 different ones. A phosphate from Brownells, a Nitride from IwI and a Nickle Boron from Lantac and the Lantac one is many times better. Smoother, more cuts, port vents are faced forward to redirect gas and the gas key is chrome lined. By rule, go with price. The more expensive the better, $250+ but make sure you research before buying.
Nickle boron
>a single mention of RCA itt
This thread is a perfect example of /k/'s bottomless pit of moronation.
OP asks for best versions X, gets endless endorsements for W, Y, and Z. Not to mention the outright factually incorrect information put forth as fact.
This post is a perfect example of the visiting r*dditors and their moronation.
OP asks for the best version of X, gets random angry homosexuals like this who don't know the answer to the question but get offended by it anyway somehow
I have a NiB BCG from Fail Zero. It's buttery smooth 3 years of shooting later.
Why does the BCG even matter? I always just buy the cheapest one I can find. Do the expensive ones just last longer or something?