There’s masonry and then there’s masonry. There’s carpentry and then there’s carpentry. If you said either of those in a Mexican accent, there is no difference.
> they are all degenerate beasts. developers, general contractors, subs... every level of the trades is rampant with grifting morons.
Any suggestions on hiring reliable people for home repairs/construction?
Trade work is gay. Imagine going out to someone's house and being their little Bob-The-Builder b***h for the whole day if not longer. Back-breaking work, enslaving yourself and being at the mercy of another man or some old woman. And at the end of it they can just tell you to get fricked and not pay you, even if you do get paid it's so bittersweet when you see that FIT rape you of your money.
Unless you're learning a trade (lmao) to do your own projects for your home, you're fricking yourself up BIG TIME. Pretty much goes for any service work. It's all subjective on what the person wants you to do, unlike bartering goods where you have an actual thing and are giving it for another actual thing.
Frick tradegays, buy-sell-tradechads rise the frick up.
Masonry is a lot of chemical reactions, complicated wrist motions, and trying to make straight lines out of crooked material. Carpentry is taking dead trees, and fastening them together with cooked rocks or other dead trees.
Joinery is cutting, sanding, tapping, gluing, and futzing to get things just so. Parging is take the cement, and smear it on the blockwork so it's smooth enough to not trigger the client.
There's hack jobs and craftsmanship in both trades man, all depends on what the task calls for and effort put into it.
Spoken like someone who's only skills are theft and lying. I hope your scrapper gave you a good rate on all those catalytic converters and copper Matt
>chemical reactions
u take premixed cement-sand mixture add water rotate it
its not like they have to reinvent the entire 2nd industrial revolution every day
Masonry seems to be more physically demanding. Other than that, they seem to be about the same level of complexity from what I can seem, maybe carpentry a bit more if you include joinery within that category.
The more complicated version of carpentry is called joinery. That is the finer work. Carpentry is such a loaded word. Just trying to define that shit is complicated and we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet. Wood is a living thing. Even after a tree is felled, its wood will continue to move and respond to its environment. In older carpentry literature, all aspects of the trade were taught, from forestry to joinery. Woodworking tools and the industry in general have really taken off in the last century. There are a bajillion different ways to cut wood and build things with wood now.
Modern production carpentry is indeed less labor intensive. Hand-sawn timber frame joinery is much different.
>Hand-sawn timber frame joinery is much different.
It's definitely much easier than it used to be. With stuff like ARUNDA dovetails and other plasma-cut metal jigs, you can easily cut out a 20' x 20' frame in a day with like 2 or 3 guys.
People like to say that vintage tools are superior, and in some cases that may be true, but newer stuff (especially cordless tools) are extremely easy and fast to use. Plus they're made out of magnesium alloy instead of cast iron or steel lol.
If you insist on doing everything by hand without power tools obviously it takes longer, but very few do that anymore.
Yes if you lay a wall out of square/plumb/level then it is quite the PITA to fix. With framing you can just knock it into place or shim it up.
But that being said, the fine parts of masonry like building a lead for a corner are generally accepted as slow work, so if you just check your work frequently as you go and you'll be fine
Masonry requires fine motor skills which take a while to perfect. I think carpentry used to be like this but now nail guns are so common you don't really need to be able to use a hammer to be quick with carpentry.
Yes
>wats harder, stacking rocks or literally everything else including stacking rocks
hmmmm
There’s masonry and then there’s masonry. There’s carpentry and then there’s carpentry. If you said either of those in a Mexican accent, there is no difference.
Masonry probably cause rocks are harder
What's more complicated, adding or multiplying single digit integers?
who cares they are all degenerate beasts. developers, general contractors, subs... every level of the trades is rampant with grifting morons.
t. construction lawyer
> they are all degenerate beasts. developers, general contractors, subs... every level of the trades is rampant with grifting morons.
Any suggestions on hiring reliable people for home repairs/construction?
Hire the white guys
Trade work is gay. Imagine going out to someone's house and being their little Bob-The-Builder b***h for the whole day if not longer. Back-breaking work, enslaving yourself and being at the mercy of another man or some old woman. And at the end of it they can just tell you to get fricked and not pay you, even if you do get paid it's so bittersweet when you see that FIT rape you of your money.
Unless you're learning a trade (lmao) to do your own projects for your home, you're fricking yourself up BIG TIME. Pretty much goes for any service work. It's all subjective on what the person wants you to do, unlike bartering goods where you have an actual thing and are giving it for another actual thing.
Frick tradegays, buy-sell-tradechads rise the frick up.
Cope
seethe
>t. dad is a tradegay and still misgenders and deadnames me
Masonry is a lot of chemical reactions, complicated wrist motions, and trying to make straight lines out of crooked material. Carpentry is taking dead trees, and fastening them together with cooked rocks or other dead trees.
Joinery is cutting, sanding, tapping, gluing, and futzing to get things just so. Parging is take the cement, and smear it on the blockwork so it's smooth enough to not trigger the client.
There's hack jobs and craftsmanship in both trades man, all depends on what the task calls for and effort put into it.
Spoken like someone who's only skills are theft and lying. I hope your scrapper gave you a good rate on all those catalytic converters and copper Matt
>chemical reactions
u take premixed cement-sand mixture add water rotate it
its not like they have to reinvent the entire 2nd industrial revolution every day
masonry
Masonry seems to be more physically demanding. Other than that, they seem to be about the same level of complexity from what I can seem, maybe carpentry a bit more if you include joinery within that category.
The more complicated version of carpentry is called joinery. That is the finer work. Carpentry is such a loaded word. Just trying to define that shit is complicated and we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet. Wood is a living thing. Even after a tree is felled, its wood will continue to move and respond to its environment. In older carpentry literature, all aspects of the trade were taught, from forestry to joinery. Woodworking tools and the industry in general have really taken off in the last century. There are a bajillion different ways to cut wood and build things with wood now.
Modern production carpentry is indeed less labor intensive. Hand-sawn timber frame joinery is much different.
>Hand-sawn timber frame joinery is much different.
It's definitely much easier than it used to be. With stuff like ARUNDA dovetails and other plasma-cut metal jigs, you can easily cut out a 20' x 20' frame in a day with like 2 or 3 guys.
People like to say that vintage tools are superior, and in some cases that may be true, but newer stuff (especially cordless tools) are extremely easy and fast to use. Plus they're made out of magnesium alloy instead of cast iron or steel lol.
If you insist on doing everything by hand without power tools obviously it takes longer, but very few do that anymore.
i imagine masonry is a trade where fixing your mistakes is harder than in carpentry.
Yes if you lay a wall out of square/plumb/level then it is quite the PITA to fix. With framing you can just knock it into place or shim it up.
But that being said, the fine parts of masonry like building a lead for a corner are generally accepted as slow work, so if you just check your work frequently as you go and you'll be fine
Masonry requires fine motor skills which take a while to perfect. I think carpentry used to be like this but now nail guns are so common you don't really need to be able to use a hammer to be quick with carpentry.
I'd say masonry. With carpentry you can correct a lot of mistakes, but with bricks, well, it would take 5 inches of plaster to correct the frick up.
in germany masonry is the stupid people job
u put brick on brick on brick
in carpentry u have to do joints and stuff like that
carpentry and it's not even close.