If they want to keep jerking SIG off they should just adopt the SPEAR LT and stick with 5.56. Then give designated marksmen AR-10s in 6.5 or 6.8 for longer range suppression. The only things from the NGSW program that should be kept are the optic and maybe the SAW.
5.56 is perfectly adequate and I would argue giving everyone modern day BARs is pretty stupid. I'd rather be able to carry more ammo for the same weight cost too. The only "new capability" that is worth it is the optic upgrade which I am all for.
Anon, they can do both.
XM7 for the frontline 120,000 troops they currently envision with it. Then replace everyone else's M4s with SPEAR-LTs in 5.56.
Now we get a battle rifle contract for SIG AND we can replace the M4 with another SIG contract.
SIG wins all around.
At that point why even replace the M4s with LTs unless you are a politically connected figure with stock in SIG? Also it is the XM5 anon. Plus I've heard Special Forces have the option to use the LT now but idk if that's true or not.
6.8 looks good on paper or for killing LARPing US citizens with armor, but I'd rather have more 5.56 when the chances of Ivan having armor in the first place, let alone good armor, is slim. Half the Russians I've seen don't even have optics on their rifles.
Longer barreled AR-10's are much lighter overall and better balanced while still providing the same velocity's as the MCX Spear. Lighter options exist in the form of DPMS Gen 2 and whatever the fuck you call shit like the POF Revolution.
The bullpup with the True Velocity plastic ammo was more interesting than Sig Sauer's bid. I bought a few boxes of that stuff. real interesting concept about energy insulation. I would like to see TV ammo with a M80a1 projectile stuffed into it. Judging from shitty mental math the overall weight of M80a1 plastic cased should be around the same as a match 5.56 boolet though the Army being the Army they'd probably just keep the M4 and adopt the plastic cased ammo while paying TV to make it get a little more velocity with longer 5.56 variants then completely drop the project because startup to ramp up manufacturing was too expensive because it's easier to create slave corporations by getting them to only make m855a1 so they can't sell ammo to the general public anymore.
Yeah AR-10 > SIG SPEAR imo
Also a fan of the TV ammo, would be cool to see all the different calibers they demo'd.
[...]
Time to mix drinks and change lives.
An SFAR in .277 Fury (or other "NGSW cartridge") is clearly the answer. OR, going "halves" and sorta doing what FN did with their "inbetween" cartridge shorter than .308 but longer than .223... Maybe resurrect a "modern" .300 Savage if we're not going with .264 USA/7x46UIAC/whatever etc...???
The 6.8 cartridge cant go through level IV body armour while 5.56 easily can among other cartridges its size
The 6.8 cartridge is very heavy and stupid
Its piston gas system is shit against any poor weather conditions leaving it completely unable to fire if theres snow or dirt or any particulates in the gun
Expensive as hell
Heavy as hell
In general, the m4a1 is a better rifle with a much better cartridge thats easily able to pen level IV body armour as well as the m4a1 just having better maintainability and works better in adverse conditions
There is nothing that 5.56 can penetrate that 6.8 can’t. Similar velocities, but 6.8 has vastly superior sectional density and form factor.
Hybrid case tech is a game changer, I’m happy to see that. Good thing it’s finally in the big leagues now and being mass produced vs something some tinkerer made for $10 a case. If the prices can come down further, I expect many more cartridges being made this way.
But the execution of the whole thing was a blunder. If they want to penetrate level 4 armor, they could have easily scaled the whole thing down to 5.56 size with an equal SD .224 bullet. Whole thing would weigh not much more than 5.56, have higher mag capacity, and less recoil. Inb4 tracers. Are they really a deal breaker for something that is otherwise a viable unified cartridge that obsoletes 5.56 and 7.62? Idk.
So yeah. Xm7 is suboptimal execution of a great idea, but I still think it’s cool and want one. What I really want to see though is the capabilities of 5.56 retained but in a smaller hybrid case package, and chambered in an MP7
>5.56 is perfectly adequate and I would argue giving everyone modern day BARs is pretty stupid.
Honestly, I'd rather them do hybrid-cased "legacy rounds" like 5.56 (MAYBE with slight alterations so retards don't put it in their PSA's or something IDK) so we could start slingin' TMK's out of 12.5"'s at like, 3500fps or something. Maybe or maybe not using tungsten alloys/DU/whatever too for muh AP, but I'm just laughing thinking of obsoleting non-SBR's overnight with this one weird trick.
And SOCOM already has Sneedmore in inventory, so that's even better. >Be me >Just ordered a 6.5PRC Howa >Can't just buy 6.5 SuperSneedMoor at the hardware store
1776 will commence again
> The status of the M110A1 CSASS, as of 2022, is uncertain. A little more than $57 million of the contract's combined $78 million has been spent and there is no further spending indicated for FY2022 onward. The Army, instead, revised a $13 million contract with Knight's Armament Company to allow for procurement of the M110A2 as well as the standard M110 SASS. The M110A2 is an improved version of the M110 which features an improved gas system, new suppressor, adjustable stock, and M-LOK rails. Meanwhile, the Navy and Marine Corps, which had expressed interest in the CSASS, decided to instead pursue an M110 SASS PIP (Product Improvement Program) for FY2021 based on market research which indicated improved range and lethality with the PIP compared to the M110A1 CSASS without any increase in cost. Budget figures for FY2023 show funding set aside for the M110 SASS PIP to upgrade the Marine Corps' existing M110s
Meanwhile SIG's XM7/XM250 contract is already worth $300M+ in the last 2-3 years.
Just want to make sure I read this correctly: the Army replaced the SR-25 with the G28 and then went back to the SR-25 after KAC upgraded it?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And they might not even be doing that long term since it's all up in the air and there is little reason to buy a .308/6.5 rifle for precision work when Frontline troops are transitioning to the more powerful and flatter shooting 6.8x51
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>KAC won't just make a 277 meme SR25 that's lighter and more accurate
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They might, but that doesn't mean they'll get funding and even if they do, SIG still producing the 6.8 ammo until the lake city production line gets established.
SIG always getting their cut of the pie even if you don't want to use their gun.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
KAC will make a .277 AR10 but it will suck and cost 3-4x what it should.
>What do you think?
I think physical races are not dissimilar enough to be superior/inferior to each other, but cultures, ideologies, and heritages definitely & clearly are.
Literally made for fucking around in Afghanistan because everyone was soooooo sure we'd never see shit like conflicts between peer/near peer nations again, with a healthy dose of MIC corruption and institutional inertia.
>could have just went with the new case design on 308 and saved a shit ton >could have just loaded hot 308 with tungston and a low grain weight to defeat level 3 >could have done the same with 5.56 since they already have the round designed
Instead they went with some heavy dmr that they’re autistically cutting its barrel down for ergos but then slapping on a silencer because sbr’s are loud. Real chad move would be just to go with a 16” and a small socom can.
I think it's a misstep. The push for a more potent round is not an unreasonable desire after years of conflict showing WWII's 300 yard combat estimate to simply not be the case anymore. Furthermore, like it or not, China can produce body armor (inb4 some brainrotten burger screeches about how they're not real and made of styrofoam) and since they're our biggest geopolitical rival it makes sense to develop weapons to better counter their capabilities (same as China heavily investing in anti-naval tech and systems to potentially deal with us). The issue is, it only worsens the bloat of the standard infantry loadout which is already a severe issue with the lighter M4 and 5.56. Ignoring the long term health consequences, simply making our boots in the field hoof more will always decrease their combat effectiveness by drastically speeding up their exhaustion. Personally I think we should've looked for a solution that prioritized AP capability above all else in the lightest package possible, and later developing loads to better work on soft targets (or just accept you're gonna get a Mogadishu every now and then when you have to fight critically malnourished dirt farmers). As it stands it would be a fantastic DMR and the LMG looks quite promising over the 240B but making it a general infantry rifle is just a bad idea
I like to believe those "hurr durr it's styrofoam poasts" to be made from Chinese government morons as a form of psychological warfare to make everyone underestimate China. Like damn if those fag's are real people they really want us to gear up to fight a paper tiger. I'd prefer us to sweep through everyone if the paper tiger stuff is actually real instead of struggling against them.
Gay and retarded. The US should have adopted the G11 back in the 90s but no, we need to move backwards in development now >nobody in Ukraine uses camo right and has never heard of an IFF tag >huuuuur nu combat meta, brightly colored uniforms and armbands wooooooooo yummy paint >US is the only nation that has actual body armor capable of stopping common rifle rounds in mass issue >huuuuuuuur lets make a gun that shoots through armor and replace all our perfectly good service rifles with it wooooooo who cares about 20 round mags and less overall bullets in a combat load man those 3 chinks with styrofoam plates are so scary rn >uuuhhhhh also let's buy them from the company that outsources to India, we so diverse up in here y'all
We need to axe every dumbass thinly-veiled politician-general making these retarded decisions and put actual, competent soldiers at the helm of the military.
Fat chance. Maybe swap the magwell and receiver around so that they're in the right positions. No, I don't care if that negates the "point", bullpoops have no point other than extreme Euro autism. It's like that French gun that had a knob for changing the rate of fire.
The whole program and adoption is like a highlight reel of bad US military procurement. >top brass having a pet project they ram through >designing equipment tailored for the last war >the least innovative design chosen because it’s more familiar >an over reliance on new technology with fantastical claims >flat out ignoring the majority of combat experience >marksmanship fetish
The only things missing are evidence of actual graft, cheating, or the equipment getting people killed. The idea that a new scope is an “aimbot” that will allow pvt. Joe Snuffy to nail 800 yard shots in the middle of a firefight during a peer conflict is pie in the sky shit. Maybe issue this thing to designated marksmen or mountain warfare units but for most units the weight would be better served by some form of shoulder fired missiles.
M14 mk2 but silenced, flatter shooting, and with a 1-8x30 smart optic that tells you the bullet drop for the distance aimed at after a button press. Lets not forget the general improvements in situational awareness and recon due to drones and satellites that are only improving by the day.
It might not be AMAZING today, but this is gen 1. It's only going to get better if given time.
The optic is great, no one argues that. The point is always that the rifle they're mounting it to is absolutely retarded and pointless, because it is going to be fucking miserable for clearing buildings or any sort of other CQB in exchange for the possibility to reach out and touch people at impractical ranges where the average US infantryman will instead just call in some form of HE instead, and if the US is in a situation where they can't drop explosives on people's heads on demand, the entire doctrine of the US is gonna have issues anyway. This rifle is an answer to Taliban plinking away at US soldiers with PKM at 400 yards while on a presence patrol instead of being a suitable choice for a peer war against China which the rest of the military is gearing up for.
That was going to be ICSR, then General Milly got to try a prototype of Textron's rifle and the new optic. The NGSW program was made for the Army to buy Textron's rifle, all of the promotional material was of Textron's rifle and it was the Army's internal project, but something caused Textron to drop out in the last minute.
>something caused Textron to drop out in the last minute
Yeah it ran like dog shit, the ammo didn't feed reliably even after tons of attempts to fix the issue.
I said AR10s. Jesus. Getting shot at by 7.62-R and we issued 5.56 as standard rifles. One rifle for urban and mountains is a "Jack of all trades, master of none" scenario.
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Anonymous
We are only getting ~115,000 M7 rifles, there will still be plenty of people rocking M4s for door kicking if that's your concern.
Somebody pay Russell to make a KP-10 chambered in this stupid meme round so I can have a triple meme gun
Slap an anime sticker on it and an LPVO maybe get up to quintuple meme
If you've been on this board longer than two days you'd know
We think we should fuck ya mudda.
>Guys I have trouble thinking, think 4 me
too expensive
what should it cost?
Solid gun not made for pansies. Has stopping power. I really don't think anyone who isn't a gay has anything bad to say about it.
Bitch, what do YOU think?
looks like an ai's idea of a gun.
neck it up to .30 cal and you got yourselves a sell.
also swap out that stock for something thinner so the folding function can actually be useful.
they come in .308
SPEAR-LT is available in .223, .300blk, and 7.62x39
The normal Spear is available in .308, 6.5cm, and 6.8x51 (.277 fury)
>IESLB
If they want to keep jerking SIG off they should just adopt the SPEAR LT and stick with 5.56. Then give designated marksmen AR-10s in 6.5 or 6.8 for longer range suppression. The only things from the NGSW program that should be kept are the optic and maybe the SAW.
>just adopt a slightly better 5.56 rifle
WHY THO
The point is to have completely new capability.
5.56 is perfectly adequate and I would argue giving everyone modern day BARs is pretty stupid. I'd rather be able to carry more ammo for the same weight cost too. The only "new capability" that is worth it is the optic upgrade which I am all for.
At that point why even replace the M4s with LTs unless you are a politically connected figure with stock in SIG? Also it is the XM5 anon. Plus I've heard Special Forces have the option to use the LT now but idk if that's true or not.
6.8 looks good on paper or for killing LARPing US citizens with armor, but I'd rather have more 5.56 when the chances of Ivan having armor in the first place, let alone good armor, is slim. Half the Russians I've seen don't even have optics on their rifles.
They changed the name to XM7.
Lol really? Why? Did they improve on it somehow?
The speculation on PrepHole(yeah I know) is that it might have something to do with Colt's M5?
Ah, so kinda like how HKM4 got switched to the HK416?
Quick take the bottle away. We do NOT need another VA-11 Hall-A rerun.
Colt owns the M5 trademark. The Army didn't want its new service rifle mistaken with it.
there was apparently some time in the past a XM5.
Im responding to your picture
Longer barreled AR-10's are much lighter overall and better balanced while still providing the same velocity's as the MCX Spear. Lighter options exist in the form of DPMS Gen 2 and whatever the fuck you call shit like the POF Revolution.
The bullpup with the True Velocity plastic ammo was more interesting than Sig Sauer's bid. I bought a few boxes of that stuff. real interesting concept about energy insulation. I would like to see TV ammo with a M80a1 projectile stuffed into it. Judging from shitty mental math the overall weight of M80a1 plastic cased should be around the same as a match 5.56 boolet though the Army being the Army they'd probably just keep the M4 and adopt the plastic cased ammo while paying TV to make it get a little more velocity with longer 5.56 variants then completely drop the project because startup to ramp up manufacturing was too expensive because it's easier to create slave corporations by getting them to only make m855a1 so they can't sell ammo to the general public anymore.
Yeah AR-10 > SIG SPEAR imo
Also a fan of the TV ammo, would be cool to see all the different calibers they demo'd.
Time to mix drinks and change lives.
An SFAR in .277 Fury (or other "NGSW cartridge") is clearly the answer. OR, going "halves" and sorta doing what FN did with their "inbetween" cartridge shorter than .308 but longer than .223... Maybe resurrect a "modern" .300 Savage if we're not going with .264 USA/7x46UIAC/whatever etc...???
264usa with more ammo capacity please.
Maybe in an extended "Quattro" lower from Desert Tech?
The 6.8 cartridge cant go through level IV body armour while 5.56 easily can among other cartridges its size
The 6.8 cartridge is very heavy and stupid
Its piston gas system is shit against any poor weather conditions leaving it completely unable to fire if theres snow or dirt or any particulates in the gun
Expensive as hell
Heavy as hell
In general, the m4a1 is a better rifle with a much better cartridge thats easily able to pen level IV body armour as well as the m4a1 just having better maintainability and works better in adverse conditions
Lol wasn't the point of the 6.8 cartridge and stupid level chamber pressure to go through Russian armor (not that most Russians even use armor)?
I agree with your overall assessment though.
There is nothing that 5.56 can penetrate that 6.8 can’t. Similar velocities, but 6.8 has vastly superior sectional density and form factor.
Hybrid case tech is a game changer, I’m happy to see that. Good thing it’s finally in the big leagues now and being mass produced vs something some tinkerer made for $10 a case. If the prices can come down further, I expect many more cartridges being made this way.
But the execution of the whole thing was a blunder. If they want to penetrate level 4 armor, they could have easily scaled the whole thing down to 5.56 size with an equal SD .224 bullet. Whole thing would weigh not much more than 5.56, have higher mag capacity, and less recoil. Inb4 tracers. Are they really a deal breaker for something that is otherwise a viable unified cartridge that obsoletes 5.56 and 7.62? Idk.
So yeah. Xm7 is suboptimal execution of a great idea, but I still think it’s cool and want one. What I really want to see though is the capabilities of 5.56 retained but in a smaller hybrid case package, and chambered in an MP7
>trying to ACKCHYUALLY someone when you can't even keep up with designations
Pathetic.
>5.56 is perfectly adequate and I would argue giving everyone modern day BARs is pretty stupid.
Honestly, I'd rather them do hybrid-cased "legacy rounds" like 5.56 (MAYBE with slight alterations so retards don't put it in their PSA's or something IDK) so we could start slingin' TMK's out of 12.5"'s at like, 3500fps or something. Maybe or maybe not using tungsten alloys/DU/whatever too for muh AP, but I'm just laughing thinking of obsoleting non-SBR's overnight with this one weird trick.
Hybrid case 6.5 Sneed, is basically 277 fury.
And SOCOM already has Sneedmore in inventory, so that's even better.
>Be me
>Just ordered a 6.5PRC Howa
>Can't just buy 6.5 SuperSneedMoor at the hardware store
1776 will commence again
Anon, they can do both.
XM7 for the frontline 120,000 troops they currently envision with it. Then replace everyone else's M4s with SPEAR-LTs in 5.56.
Now we get a battle rifle contract for SIG AND we can replace the M4 with another SIG contract.
SIG wins all around.
Except HK won the M110 contract
Shit's gonna get really awkward when the marksmen realize that the average grunt has access to a better cartridge than they do.
> The status of the M110A1 CSASS, as of 2022, is uncertain. A little more than $57 million of the contract's combined $78 million has been spent and there is no further spending indicated for FY2022 onward. The Army, instead, revised a $13 million contract with Knight's Armament Company to allow for procurement of the M110A2 as well as the standard M110 SASS. The M110A2 is an improved version of the M110 which features an improved gas system, new suppressor, adjustable stock, and M-LOK rails. Meanwhile, the Navy and Marine Corps, which had expressed interest in the CSASS, decided to instead pursue an M110 SASS PIP (Product Improvement Program) for FY2021 based on market research which indicated improved range and lethality with the PIP compared to the M110A1 CSASS without any increase in cost. Budget figures for FY2023 show funding set aside for the M110 SASS PIP to upgrade the Marine Corps' existing M110s
Meanwhile SIG's XM7/XM250 contract is already worth $300M+ in the last 2-3 years.
Just want to make sure I read this correctly: the Army replaced the SR-25 with the G28 and then went back to the SR-25 after KAC upgraded it?
And they might not even be doing that long term since it's all up in the air and there is little reason to buy a .308/6.5 rifle for precision work when Frontline troops are transitioning to the more powerful and flatter shooting 6.8x51
>KAC won't just make a 277 meme SR25 that's lighter and more accurate
They might, but that doesn't mean they'll get funding and even if they do, SIG still producing the 6.8 ammo until the lake city production line gets established.
SIG always getting their cut of the pie even if you don't want to use their gun.
KAC will make a .277 AR10 but it will suck and cost 3-4x what it should.
it looks so front heavy I cant imagine its comfortable to shoot. Everything ive heard mas been mixed, the "best reviews" were meh.
We should ship a few crates to ukraine and give them an actual field test
>What do you think?
I think physical races are not dissimilar enough to be superior/inferior to each other, but cultures, ideologies, and heritages definitely & clearly are.
Looks fine
yep yeah thats a gun alright
I think buttsotck too small for grug. Grug big shoulder, buttstock too small, bang stick wiggles too much when breathe fire, send pebbles everywhere.
i think it will have some growing pains and then end up being a perfectly ok rifle that will be used in limited quantities
Shit. Texatron should have won. The only reason sig won is by underbidding and suck boomer dick.
yeah lol. the gun with the ejection port right where any normal person would put their off-hand
gay detected
>Tripfag
>Calling anyone a gay
amazing 40 years from now when the US faces an adversary with good body armor.
as for right now, just use an M4/249 and M14 if needed.
why don't they just stick their 6.8 bullet in a .270 win?
Literally made for fucking around in Afghanistan because everyone was soooooo sure we'd never see shit like conflicts between peer/near peer nations again, with a healthy dose of MIC corruption and institutional inertia.
>could have just went with the new case design on 308 and saved a shit ton
>could have just loaded hot 308 with tungston and a low grain weight to defeat level 3
>could have done the same with 5.56 since they already have the round designed
Instead they went with some heavy dmr that they’re autistically cutting its barrel down for ergos but then slapping on a silencer because sbr’s are loud. Real chad move would be just to go with a 16” and a small socom can.
I think it's a misstep. The push for a more potent round is not an unreasonable desire after years of conflict showing WWII's 300 yard combat estimate to simply not be the case anymore. Furthermore, like it or not, China can produce body armor (inb4 some brainrotten burger screeches about how they're not real and made of styrofoam) and since they're our biggest geopolitical rival it makes sense to develop weapons to better counter their capabilities (same as China heavily investing in anti-naval tech and systems to potentially deal with us). The issue is, it only worsens the bloat of the standard infantry loadout which is already a severe issue with the lighter M4 and 5.56. Ignoring the long term health consequences, simply making our boots in the field hoof more will always decrease their combat effectiveness by drastically speeding up their exhaustion. Personally I think we should've looked for a solution that prioritized AP capability above all else in the lightest package possible, and later developing loads to better work on soft targets (or just accept you're gonna get a Mogadishu every now and then when you have to fight critically malnourished dirt farmers). As it stands it would be a fantastic DMR and the LMG looks quite promising over the 240B but making it a general infantry rifle is just a bad idea
I like to believe those "hurr durr it's styrofoam poasts" to be made from Chinese government morons as a form of psychological warfare to make everyone underestimate China. Like damn if those fag's are real people they really want us to gear up to fight a paper tiger. I'd prefer us to sweep through everyone if the paper tiger stuff is actually real instead of struggling against them.
I like it 🙂
I think we can mod ourselfs a bigger mag
should of gone with this
deal with it bullpup nerd, only Euros would use something so stupid looking
>He doesn't know
Gay aliens/SST knockoff with dogshit gameplay and a story that stopped mattering after Reach
>Should of
Gay and retarded. The US should have adopted the G11 back in the 90s but no, we need to move backwards in development now
>nobody in Ukraine uses camo right and has never heard of an IFF tag
>huuuuur nu combat meta, brightly colored uniforms and armbands wooooooooo yummy paint
>US is the only nation that has actual body armor capable of stopping common rifle rounds in mass issue
>huuuuuuuur lets make a gun that shoots through armor and replace all our perfectly good service rifles with it wooooooo who cares about 20 round mags and less overall bullets in a combat load man those 3 chinks with styrofoam plates are so scary rn
>uuuhhhhh also let's buy them from the company that outsources to India, we so diverse up in here y'all
We need to axe every dumbass thinly-veiled politician-general making these retarded decisions and put actual, competent soldiers at the helm of the military.
Fat chance. Maybe swap the magwell and receiver around so that they're in the right positions. No, I don't care if that negates the "point", bullpoops have no point other than extreme Euro autism. It's like that French gun that had a knob for changing the rate of fire.
It's interesting. I think a longer barrel with a shorter suppressor would make more sense.
>M14 mk2: electric boogaloo
The whole program and adoption is like a highlight reel of bad US military procurement.
>top brass having a pet project they ram through
>designing equipment tailored for the last war
>the least innovative design chosen because it’s more familiar
>an over reliance on new technology with fantastical claims
>flat out ignoring the majority of combat experience
>marksmanship fetish
The only things missing are evidence of actual graft, cheating, or the equipment getting people killed. The idea that a new scope is an “aimbot” that will allow pvt. Joe Snuffy to nail 800 yard shots in the middle of a firefight during a peer conflict is pie in the sky shit. Maybe issue this thing to designated marksmen or mountain warfare units but for most units the weight would be better served by some form of shoulder fired missiles.
M14 mk2 but silenced, flatter shooting, and with a 1-8x30 smart optic that tells you the bullet drop for the distance aimed at after a button press. Lets not forget the general improvements in situational awareness and recon due to drones and satellites that are only improving by the day.
It might not be AMAZING today, but this is gen 1. It's only going to get better if given time.
The optic is great, no one argues that. The point is always that the rifle they're mounting it to is absolutely retarded and pointless, because it is going to be fucking miserable for clearing buildings or any sort of other CQB in exchange for the possibility to reach out and touch people at impractical ranges where the average US infantryman will instead just call in some form of HE instead, and if the US is in a situation where they can't drop explosives on people's heads on demand, the entire doctrine of the US is gonna have issues anyway. This rifle is an answer to Taliban plinking away at US soldiers with PKM at 400 yards while on a presence patrol instead of being a suitable choice for a peer war against China which the rest of the military is gearing up for.
Why didn't the military just issue AR-10s?
SIG can't make money on that.
That was going to be ICSR, then General Milly got to try a prototype of Textron's rifle and the new optic. The NGSW program was made for the Army to buy Textron's rifle, all of the promotional material was of Textron's rifle and it was the Army's internal project, but something caused Textron to drop out in the last minute.
>something caused Textron to drop out in the last minute
Yeah it ran like dog shit, the ammo didn't feed reliably even after tons of attempts to fix the issue.
Drummond is not a credible source.
I said AR10s. Jesus. Getting shot at by 7.62-R and we issued 5.56 as standard rifles. One rifle for urban and mountains is a "Jack of all trades, master of none" scenario.
We are only getting ~115,000 M7 rifles, there will still be plenty of people rocking M4s for door kicking if that's your concern.
The taller you keep making these ugly things the more they look like a Lancer from Gears of War. Sig makes the ugliest crap I swear.
nice, impressive0gxjtk
Meme gun, for meme bulletproof vests battlefield.
Somebody pay Russell to make a KP-10 chambered in this stupid meme round so I can have a triple meme gun
Slap an anime sticker on it and an LPVO maybe get up to quintuple meme