Now that the dust has settled and Vatniks are being penetrated 15-20km deep in just 4 days what 3 weapons weapon won the war?
-Javelin
-HIMARS
-StormShadow deathpunch for me
What wunderwaffe did it?
Now that the dust has settled and Vatniks are being penetrated 15-20km deep in just 4 days what 3 weapons weapon won the war?
-Javelin
-HIMARS
-StormShadow deathpunch for me
US and British Intelligence
And Ukrainian blood.
Let's not forget that. Amazing what a people who aren't vermin can accomplish when they try.
>as for me, mr. bond, i also enjoy large mommies with huge breasts and love handles
>Pierce
Fricker's still the man.
Pierce is easily one of the worst bonds, as much as I do like Goldeneye every single other movie he was in sucked hard. This is the one and only true Bond.
I was obsessed with Goldeneye. I went to see it with my dad in the theater. Must have been 12 or 13.
American artillery, Polish bullets and German money.
Had a sensible chuckle.
lying and propaganda
and cocaine
Black person whipper 9000 or the humble minesweeper
Javelin and all the other launchers absolutely saved the first couple weeks. But the buck was and remains broken thanks to HIMARS.
HIMARS for me.
Ukraine is burning through troops and armor way more than it had planned, so the offensive will eventually run out of steam and the hohols will be forced to retreat to the original pre-offensive lines, since even if they break through a fortified defensive line they will still have at least two more heavy defensive in front of them and they will be surrounded on three sides, with no air support and being out-matched with artillery and attack helis. They wont even make it to Tokmak before the whole thing falls apart.
The hohols are basically fighting their way into a killbox at this point.
It’s over.
Nah ur wrong
Bwahahahaha pussia is so pathetic
Me monke. Me say win. I win. Me monkey. Where banan?
Didnt read
>The hohols are basically fighting their way into a killbox at this point.
you COPEniks always say that when things are not going well
it's over.
So they really are going to Moscow.
Zister can we ever stop winning?
>Ukraine will be forced to retreat to original defensive lines
Lmao, Pre-2014 defensive lines maybe
Sad but true
The bear will soon clench its' ass and then everyone will understand everything
What color is your skin
>way more than it had planned,
Citation needed
Everyone will understand everything
Switch the roles of Putin and Shoigu and you might be close to the truth.
Meanwhile, Russian Telegram reports that the RuAF just fled Makarivka. Fighting may still be going on in Urozhaine, but there's increasing evidence that RuAF forces are hightailing it to their main, heaviest defensive line about 10km to the south.
>trolling
At this point you're not even trying.
I'm shocked there's so little research on social media and how it impacts both people and society. It seems that every social media system turns into a "war" where you're fighting some kind of never ending vague battle with an external enemy and your whole personality is tied up to one side or the other. It doesn't matter WHAT the war is over, the dynamics always plays out identically the same.
Here is a bunch of leftists on twitter defending the new Little Mermaid film and wanting it to succeed because they're fighting some endless crusade against the evil racist trolls and white supremacy in general.
The film doesn't matter it's the fact that everyone is exactly the same. Social media is pure cancer.
I know this because I bought into this shit back in like 2007 but realized it was stupid and I was an idiot for buying into it.
because they're fighting some endless crusade against the evil racist trolls and white supremacy in general.
homosexual that's been their narrative for a century. Socail media doesn't do shit except reveal the thoughts of those who utilize it. On the other end you have TRS homosexuals such as seen in this
pic. They have convinced themselves that the US getting a black eye will somehow undermine ZOG and maybe destroy NATO which to them means Europe will be national socialist or something. They also convinced themselves that US equipment is overpriced junk while the Russians are producing far more "real equipment" rather than chewing through their essentially irreplicable reserves. When you point out that 99% of shit sent over is surplus to need or outright obsolesent they get pissy. This isn't really suprise as the TRS crowd are mostly libtards and leftists who became nazis.
For context I want to murder every sing israelite and darkie on the planet, which the nazis historically didn't and these homosexuals claim not to want to. So merely hating israelites is not sufficient to delude yourself into thinking Russia is competent and China isn't a paper tiger. These homosexuals did a 180 on Russia being a israeli puppet state primarily because of a homosexual strassist named Eric Striker(Joeseph Jordan) who don't look pure white to me. pic related
If you want to laugh I'm sure somebody else has a compilation of these morons spewing technical inaccuracies and getting every single thing wrong about the war thus far.
I will however shit on you a bit, pussying out and giving up on hating your enemies won't get you anywhere. People in my area take a much more direct approach to making sure your county stays 99.9% white. *wink**wink*. It's murder, I'm talking about murder, just to clarify that.
>completely ignores content
>"both sides" argument has already failed; repeats it again anyway
>tries to bury it under "it's totes social media's fault" meta whining; fails
>can only respond with feeble invocations of a culture war
put your ass back in your ass.
I did
Proper planning.
Russian can't into management
Truly, it's over, Russian defensive lines have fully collapsed.
Why did you remove everything but the 3rd and 4th line?
Are you confusing the front line with the defensive lines Russia built? There's only two defensive lines in that area: https://nrg800.users.earthengine.app/view/russianfortifications
lies
That's a different area, you're looking at Tokmak, Kharkove, Novoprokopivka. The image I posted was for Makarivka (most recently liberated settlement), Staromlynivka and Solodkovodne
also, your image shows that Ukraine has barely reached the first of the five defensive lines in that area.
Reminder that the Ukies have already taken Robotyne. So by your own map they're already through the first two of those lines LMAO. And third isn't even a proper defense line.
>Ukies have already taken Robotyne
no they haven't lol
So now we've reached the point of the vatniks flat-out sticking their fingers in their ears and denying reality. LMAO. Absolutely buck broken.
stop false flagging zigger
>ukies approaching main line of defense in less than a week
xaxa stupid hohols defense in depth*~~)
>vatnigs spending 5 months inching towards bakhmut
trust the plan - Z
spending 5 months inching towards bakhmut
The plan in Bakhmut was to draw in and kill as many hohols as possible, as Surovikin himself admitted in the one interview that he gave on strategy. It worked wonderfully.
>you COPEniks always say that when things are not going well
Not once in this entire war has Ukraine fought against similar circumstances as right now
Kharkov had not massive fortifications and it was undermanned with troops that were mostly militia. Zaporozye is one of the most heavily fortified places on the planet now and Russia has over 100k troops stationed there.
Leopards and Bradleys were meant to exploit the breakthrough and instead UA was forced to send them up against the 1st contact line because the prior waves got BTFO so hard and lost so many tanks and APCs/IFVs
>It worked wonderfully.
Ah yes so wonderfully Wagner lost 20k troops at minimum while Ukraine didn't even deploy its reserve units of the eastern command (let alone units from other areas) into Bakhmut according to Russia's own post-battle assessments.
>Wagner lost 20k troops at minimum
Mostly expendable convicts were lost, and for almost the whole battle Wagner was inflicting a 3:1 to 5:1 K/D ratio on Ukraine.
We also have extensive documentation that Ukraine was forced to send many elite units into Bakhmut that ended up being attritioned heavily. Ukraine was losing some of its best troops while Russia was not even losing officially enlisted soldiers.
Oh. Well in that case can we please see this extensive documentation? Since you have it and it supports your argument and all. Certainly seems that you would have no issue being able to substantiate your claimls.
>Oh. Well in that case can we please see this extensive documentation?
All of these units were located as taking part in the fight at Bakhmut, either it was publicly announced they deployed there or UA soldiers posted about it themselves on TG and other social media. They all showed up on the deployment map websites that has links to the proof on the website.
Still didn't address the main point, which you failed to prove:
> many elite units into Bakhmut ended up being attritioned heavily
give numbers moron
That's nice. Ukrainian strength never went past ~8 brigades as they kept rotating units and minimising their manpower and experience losses that way. Meanwhile russian units got butchered wholesale, hurriedly reconsituted out of more new untrained mobiks and shtrafniks and then sent into death again.
Ukraine low-key are fine with a bunch of territorial defense units, Georgia legion, and Azov all dying in droves. Foreign volunteers (lel) are often used at the front to soak up heavy fighting with Ukraine units following suit. They're STILL Soviet slavs after all, some selfish sociopathy and corruption is to be expected. They're all disposable units from Ukraine High command. In contrast they're trading out Russia's best and Wagner.
You may notice that Wagner is DONE and running back to Africa meanwhile Azov is still going around?
Georgian and Chechen foreign legions were withdrawn from Bakhmut to Sloviansk and Kramatorsk several months ago. There were dirty deals done years ago where foreign fighters (esp Chechens) were sold out by the Ukrainian interior minister Avakov, but nothing like that has happened in this war. The worst that happened is Zelensky insisting on taking Bakhmut against military advice, and sending untrained troops because the generals wouldn't allow any more experienced troops to die in a doomed mission.
There's nothing formal, but I've heard of foreign volunteers complaining that they're being used. Foreign units assault a position and take losses, then Ukraine units follow suit and then pose for the pictures after the heavy fighting is fone for. That sort of thing. Nothing formal with them being betrayed, just Ukies being cynical and wanting to conserve ukraine lives for that of foreigners. It's why some of them have complained and left.
I'm sure that's happened many times on a regiment level, but the Bakhmut operation was managed right from the top and in that case it appeared that the Ukrainian high command cared more for foreign legions and their veterans than they did the mobiks they threw in towards the end. I know Chechen and Georgians were withdrawn as I follow their telegram.
>and for almost the whole battle Wagner was inflicting a 3:1 to 5:1 K/D ratio on Ukraine.
How and why? Defenders always have the advantage so why would the attackers inflict more casualties than they take? Especially in urban combat? The logic is that Ukraine stayed as long as they did to defend a nothing town was to bleed the Russians out.
Like I fully expect Ukraine to take more losses than Russia in the initial assaults on heavily fortified positions just because they're the attackers without air support.
>We also have extensive documentation that Ukraine was forced to send many elite units into Bakhmut that ended up being attritioned heavily.
Azov isn't elite, just popular and they're expendable. The rest were territorial defense units. Also expendable. Ukraine isn't as kill crazy with their units as Russia but they're fine losing thousands in favorable trades. The NATO trained units and equipment are only NOW being used (and lost) in Zap.
>How and why?
Multiple reasons
Russia had MASSIVELY more artillery tubes and MASSIVELY more arty shells to expend for most of the fight, Prigozin only started to complain heavily in the last month of fighting because during the last month they didn't have the overwhelming advantage that they had during the previous 6 months of fighting since Russia started to reduce shell allotments for them, probably to conserve them. Wagner also received air support from the RuAF and also Wagner were lent their own planes while Ukraine had basically no planes over the city. Lastly Russia was also using incendiary bombs to set whole areas on fire and was using JDAM bombs to knock down entire buildings the UA troops were holed up in, Ukraine had neither of these. Ukraine also lost many troops ferrying troops and supplies into and out of the city since for the last few months the supply lines were under Russian arty and mortar fire.
Even when Prigozin was complaining the most about shell shortages he was still talking about a 3:1 K/D ratio during the same exact timeline, which many people omitted any reference to.
>Azov isn't elite,
They are more motivated and less likely to retreat than many UA units, UA sent in rangers and other special forces into Bakhmut, especially near the end. We also had confirmation of UA using (and losing) valuable western equipment like M777s in the vicinity of Bakhmut.
>near the end
Threadly reminder that the ziggers still haven't taken Bakhmut.
>No MiG monument pics?
>>No MiG monument pics?
Because the hohols blew it up in anger at the fact that they would lose Bakhmut soon, kek.
Even Zelensky admitted "Bakhmut is only in our hearts now" on tv
You know, except for the part where these MASSIVELY more artilelry tubes mand shells were systemtically eradicated by superior ukrainian artillery for months. Russia didn't reduce allotments, they ran out of shells and barrels all across the front.
Fact is, only the absolutely most moronic and delusional ignoramus and/or zigger shill would for a single nanosecond put credit on any claim that Wagner was scoring a 3:1 or 5:1 k/d. Like, evne actual fricking vatniks will laugh at you for seriously claiming that shit. The reality is that it's been more like 5-10:1 in favour of the Ukrainians. Wagner sent tens of thousands of shtrafniks and mobiks to their deaths in Bakhmut, while Ukrainian losses of dead and wounded combined barely scratched 10k.
Take your morone dvatBlack person myths, shove tham back up your ass and frick off to /misc/ or /leftypol/ or whatever rock you crawled out from under, zigger vermin.
>You know, except for the part where these MASSIVELY more artilelry tubes mand shells were systemtically eradicated by superior ukrainian artillery for months
Pure fantasy, all the journalists who reported from Bakhmut said the opposite was true
You mean all the zigger propagandists who reported from Bakhmut.
Won't change the facts, Vanya. Ukriane inflicted a 5-10:1 K/D ration on the zigger sin Bakhmut, completely eradicating the Russian Army's offensive potential. And didn't evne lsoe all of the city for it. No amount of seething, coping an dwvetching is going to change that proven, undeniable fact, zigger vermin.
And thesame goes for the systematic eradication of Russias vaunted "artilelry advantage" at the hand of Ukraine's superior western artillery systems. Deal with it.
>You mean all the zigger propagandists who reported from Bakhmut.
Western journalists were saying the exact same thing
Cool story, bro.
>"Now, for the most part, as we have started to advance, (the Russians) are shelling all the routes to the front positions, so our armoured vehicles can't deliver more infantry, ammunition and other things," said (Ukrainian) Petro Podaru, the unit's commander.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-troops-make-gains-bakhmut-flanks-military-2023-05-18/
>Offenbecker, who is fighting in Ukraine's International Legion comprised of foreign soldiers, told ABC News that when a Ukrainian soldier fights on the frontlines in Bakhmut, their life expectancy is only around four hours. "It's been pretty bad on the ground," he said. "A lot of casualties. The life expectancy (for Ukrainians) is around four hours on the frontline."
https://www.newsweek.com/bakhmut-life-expectancy-near-four-hours-frontlines-ukraine-russia-1782496
>continuous Russian bombardment has turned into “a vision from a nightmare.”
https://news.yahoo.com/watch-reporter-braves-russian-shelling-174838216.html
>Despite being outnumbered and outgunned(!) by Moscow's forces, Ukrainian soldiers defending the ruined city of Bakhmut are continuing to hold onto their positions.
https://www.rferl.org/a/trenches-mud-death-ukraine-refuses-evacuate-bakhmut/32322532.html
>b-b-but Russians ran out of arti-
hilarious coping
I'm not clicking your cope links, but I already know the 4 hours one is a cope, he said an untrained soldier would only last 4 hours, not an actual soldier you inbred moron, and he was obviously embellishing.
Those are western reporters, reporting exactly what you erroneously denied they had reported.
>and he was obviously embellishing.
top kek
>The plan in Bakhmut was to draw in and kill as many hohols as possible
By Russians attacking prepared urban defenses? You're a complete and utter moron
>By Russians attacking prepared urban defenses?
The Russians would bombard UA positions with overwhelming artillery and mortar and occasionally JDAM bombs and would then move in afterwards to wipe out any remaining troops. With a high enough disparity in firepower the defenders advantage is more than negated. Even western reporters who visited talked about the average UA solider only lasting a number of hours after arriving on the front line.
>And it backfired spectacularily,
Hilarious
>The Russians would bombard UA positions with overwhelming artillery and mortar and occasionally JDAM bombs and would then move in afterwards to wipe out any remaining troops. With a high enough disparity in firepower the defenders advantage is more than negated. Even western reporters who visited talked about the average UA solider only lasting a number of hours after arriving on the front line.
If everything worked so well, why did it take more than a year to almost-take the city?
>why did it take more than a year to almost-take the city?
If Wagner had captured it faster and completely encircled it then Ukraine would not have sent as many troops into the killbox as they did, which would have been counterproductive to the whole purpose of the operation. Remember, it was Surovikin who planned the operation.
That's nice, only it was a killbox for mWagner and the Russian Army, in which outside zigger propaganda fantasies 5-10 of them were slaughtered for every ukrainian casualty.
> Remember, it was Surovikin who planned the operation.
Yes, it was the modern-day Luigi Cadorna who planned the operation, and unsurprisingly it went as well for the Russians as the 1st-11th Battles of the Isonzo went for Italy.
>The plan in Bakhmut was to draw in and kill as many hohols as possible
And it backfired spectacularily, with Bakhmut instead becoming a mass grave for Wagner and the Russian Army.
> It worked wonderfully.
For Ukraine.
>troops that were mostly militia
Yes, militia like 1st Guards Tank Army.
lmfao
>Zaporozye is one of the most heavily fortified places on the planet now and Russia has over 100k troops stationed there
FRESH MEAT!
>hohols will never breach our defensive line
>I meant the third defensive line, which is the only one we have been defending all along, stupid hohols
>the plan was actually to exhaust Ukraine and demilterize it
>Holding Crimea was the goal all along
>the Special Military Operation has been an astounding success
You've convinced me, what a great job Russia did at demilitarising them. They managed to add hundreds of tanks, IFVs, APCs and artillery systems to Ukraine's arsenal, both from their own stocks and from a huge array of both NATO and non-NATO countries donations, while only eviscerating their own army and having to resort to prison junkies to save them. Truly, a masterstroke.
Those journalists don't have any sources on the ground. They say a lot of things that are pure fiction at times.
But the Leopard. The Leopard. Post the Leopard video. NOW.
>suicide drones have that VHS aestetic built in
based
Do you have that picture without the text added? Is that from a recent video?
https://t.me/escadrone/319
> What wunderwaffe did it?
The Russian Yacht Fund
they didnt even reach the first line yet, wtf is this all about
You're operating on days old information
where have they reached the first defensive line?
i m also curious where did the ukies advance , where is le map with le ukraine has captured bits .
They are advancing near Velyska Novosilka, but haven't reached the first fortified line yet
It is still down to having people willing to shrug off losses and keep fighting.
Barry, 63 was airdropped in
>weapon won the war?
The Roar of Prigozhin
They haven't reached the main defensive line yet, although supposedly that's where a lot of the Ukrainian shaping fires have gone so far.
A lesson of caution from history.
During the German attack on the Kursk salient, before the attack lost steam, German Armor commanders insisted that they had breached the final lines of the Russian defense.
However in reality we know that still had multiple lines to go through before the possibility of a breakthrough.
and just watch as the line after that becomes the super duper main defensive line when the ukies roll over this one too
there are no huge rows of dragons teeth and tank traps where the current fighting is, that’s all still like 10km south
Remember, all this without aire support.
Yes, Ukraine lost over hundreds of tanks and IFVs and thousands of troops for <10 km of open terrain and has not even gotten to the real rows of dragons teeth, bunkers and ditches yet, just wonderful.
Mediocre bait at best
Have you not seen the endless videos and photos of destroyed Ukrainian vehicles littering the landscapes? Or of the Helis picking them off one by one from afar?
I've only seen the same Leopard and cooumn of Bradleys posted 10,000 times, please show me visual evidence of the hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops lost
>I've only seen the same Leopard and cooumn of Bradleys posted 10,000 times
two more Leopards were just lost kek
>hundreds
Not all were Leopards obviously; but since last weekend the Ukronazis have lost 100+ tanks in Zapo
Seeing overrated German shit get dumpstered is pretty cathartic, but Russia is never going to live down losing thousands of visually confirmed tanks lmao
The real wunderwaffe, as always, was the will to fight.
I'm not giving free (YOU)s.