Ukraine periodically don’t use the electrical grid, especially not at night. It’s basically the same strategy used by poor countries in Africa or South America.
Is that really the best Russia can do a fricking year into full scale war on their border; damaging (not even destroying) the electrical grid?
When america invaded iraq they had coordinated PGM strikes targeting fiber-optic cables, electrical substations e.t.c. based on weeks or months of gathered intelligence. Just compare the two
Wait this was the actual offensive? I thought it was 'probing attacks' and 'recon in force' and shit? Have we reached the stage of the war where Russia is super fricked but Ukraine has nowhere near the amount of shit to push them out? So China is going to get time to resupply Russia and Russia can try again in six months?
Clearly you are because he is mocking people for saying this wasn't the offensive. I am actually baffled by posters on /k/ who can't understand simple posts. It is always like you're all fricking bots and you can't understand simple shit.
Unlike Russia, Ukraine is patient
they have supplies, they will attack when they want to
I expect it will be a much better executed assault than Russia's aborted offensives in Bakhmut and Vuhledar. If for no other reason that sheer exhaustion and low morale on the Russian side, which isn't fixable.
Shock and awe is a real thing, we have seen whole trenches surrender to a single APC squad already in this war last year, I expect that will be happening again with Bradleys, Leopards, and Abrams. Even larger and scarier vehicles bearing down on even more war-weary and dispirited troops than last time? They know they stand no chance, there will be breaks everywhere in the Russian line
The gay pig on israelitetube brought up the idea of the Ukrainians doing "The Big Front" and poking all over the front line. I myself am a bit skeptical about the viability of that long term, and I doubt the Ukrainians would really commit to spreading out for fear of everything being too conservatively deployed to exploit breakthroughs or overextending; but with the improved artillery they're getting and the shit we've been seeing in Bakhmut and Vuhledar (shit-tier trained troops, and willful grinders for the sake of taking streets and buildings), it really makes me wonder if the Russians have very much to work with if they do start poking.
I heard talk from somewhere about how their mobilized troops should be out of training about now- I chortled at that. I think their +300,000 mobilized replace people stationed elsewhere in Russia or went directly to plug the fricking gash that was opened in the Luhansk Oblast after the Kharkiv Offensive, as well as reinforcing the line in Donbass and occupied Zaporizhia, as fast as they could shove those people through basic. Unless they mobilize again I don't really think they'd have any real choice but to (depending on where they break through) consolidate their positions to shorten their front.
I heard some rumor that there was going to be another mobilization wave, any substantial evidence of that?
Russia does yearly conscription of reservists in the spring, normally they go through training and either can the join the military after for a full time gig or go home. This is not uncommon practice for a country of course.
The real kicker is the way Russian law interacts with these reservists and mobilization have been tweaked since the war began, this year's batch is likely to be greatly increased in number and while they can't be deployed outside of Russian territory the Kremlin just so happens to have annexed a bunch of Ukraine (including big chunks they don't actually control) with intentionally undefined borders. They need to mobilize and have been passing laws to increase the size of the standing military as a cover to use reservist training as shadow mobilization. Russia has a massive problem with training the recruits however, they already folded most of the professional infantry training personnel into BTGs back in late summer. This also doesn't fix their equipment issues, they have bumped tank refitting up to the 8-900 a year range but have already lost thousands in just the first year of the war and airframes are still basically irreplaceable. Funny enough though the biggest problem is Russia is just tapped out of military trucks at this point and has to maintain their logistic trails with fricking city buses and donated vans.
See, even if they do all that, the reduction in material used makes me still wonder what the hell they'd even do with the next wave of mobiks. It is glaringly clear that at the very least in the department of artillery they are having to cut back (from "60,000" shells a day in june, to 10,000 in sept, to 4-6000 in Feb with non-critical lines in the north receiving drastically less to accommodate) I don't think they could do what they've done in the last month in bakhmut in other places, much less multiple places at the same time. And how would they marshal the mobiks in a hypothetical defensive while they seem to be lacking in transports, with fricking MT-LBs being made into diet Terminators / Shilkas and supposedly BTR-50s being reactivated
(You) >The gay pig on israelitetube
Full stop. Post ignored. (You) need to go leave where your moronic-speak makes sense to other morons who are like yourself.
I phrase it that way to inoculate the post against /misc/tards for fear of them using stupid irrelevant facts to slide. I don't actually give a shit that lazerpig is gay, and I'm sorry to tell you this but you're on PrepHole, irreverent and offensive terminology is part of the language here.
(You) >The gay pig on israelitetube
Full stop. Post ignored. (You) need to go leave where your moronic-speak makes sense to other morons who are like yourself.
Maybe it's (You) who needs to go back to wherever you came from, you fricking tourist. Calling eachother gay isn't just a /misc/ thing. It's a standard lingo that's been used across all of PrepHole since immemorial
>I think their +300,000 mobilized replace people stationed elsewhere in Russia or went directly to plug the fricking gash that was opened in the Luhansk Oblast after the Kharkiv Offensive
It's the latter option, and only that. Since about mid-February, there are new videos every day made by mobilized, usually present in platoon to company strength, making personal appeals to Putin about how they've been lied to and instead of becoming rear eschelon or serving in Russia like they've been promised they are being thrown into literal WW1 human wave attacks against well-defended Ukie trench lines and bunkers, no exaggeration whatsoever. A lot of these videos have follow-ups by these same mobilized' family members who reveal how the men making the first video where AGAIN thrown into the exact same human wave attack at the exact same spot, and how there's only a couple crippled survivors left to tell the tale. It happens literally every day now as situation at Bahmut grows more and more terrible. >Unless they mobilize again
The new mobilization is already underway. 2 or 3 days ago a new wave of draft notices made its way to postboxes around Siberia. It's possible they will be smarter about it this time (like leaving Moscow and SPB out of it), but given the numbers they require (>500k) it will very quickly turn into a total shitshow of penal battalions and chain gangs. >and while they (conscripts) can't be deployed outside of Russian territory
You are incorrect. Legally there is nothing whatsoever preventing Russian conscripts from being deployed anywhere anytime, including a human wave attack at Bahmut. They were very widely deployed in the first weeks of the war on every Ukrainian front.
The ONLY reason they were withdrawn then and have not been used since except as rear eschelon is politics. Putin knows that there's a massive difference between Russians not resisting his politics long as it doesn't affect them personally and them sacrificing their sons for him.
>Have we reached the stage of the war where Russia is super fricked but Ukraine has nowhere near the amount of shit to push them out?
I thought we were at that point six months ago. But the Ukies have shown they can surprise you.
So, the Russian high command has come up with this truly fascinating way of breaking through Ukie lines by copying Wagner's homework, but rewriting it slightly so that it looks like they developed their new tactics themselves.
These new tactics being that they only throw a platoon with two tanks at the Ukie lines instead of the usual three tanks and five IFVs/APCs. That way, they don't lose as much when the attack fails, but it looks like they are a lot more of them than they actually are and they can report back that they are continually on the offensive whilst achieving the same amount of success as before.
Well, for one thing, Russia's invasion plan was predicated on the assumption that they'd be met with such little resistance that ten days in their forces would be mostly mopping up scattered pockets of resistance and partisan activity.
See page 12, here: https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine-Preliminary-Lessons-Feb-July-2022-web-final.pdf
Apparently they didn't do much in the way of red-teaming.
>Early strikes on Ukrainian
airfields, for example, destroyed many hangars. By photographing this damage and printing the
resulting pattern on to sheets, it became possible to clear the rubble and erect covers for aircraft
to return to the site, sheltering in positions that the Russians would confirm as destroyed. This
led – somewhat amusingly – to the Russians debating whether Ukrainian fighter aircraft were
operating from subterranean shelters at several sites.
The absolute state
I wonder why ruBlack folk never bombed underground airfields in my city, which supposed to be one of the biggest in USSR that stored TU-144 and shit.
Considering our pro-russian subhuman mayor, they either knew nothing is here or planned easy grab just after Kharkiv.
[...] >Initially Russian special forces entered the city in light vehicles, only to be isolated. When offered an opportunity to surrender, these personnel claimed that the Ukrainian defenders would soon be the ones surrendering once larger combat units arrived. The disparity in preparedness between these special forces’ groups and their conventional supporting units, however, hindered their coordination and the advanced parties were subsequently destroyed
Lmao
The whole thing is fascinating reading and it's loaded with knee-slappers like those. Putin was apparently so convinced that secrecy would enable his genius sneak attack that he kept the plan secret from almost everyone who would discover they had to carry it out.
My fave, though is the perfect counter-argument against the popular vatnik "b-but only the westoids were saying Kyiv in three days" cope (p12): >The synchronisation matrix of the 1st Guards Tank Army (Western Military District), for example, captured near Kyiv in March 2022, stated that by D+10 the force would ‘proceed to the blocking and destruction of individual scattered units of the Armed Forces and the remnants of nationalist resistance units’.
So there it is in black and white: not the western media, not NAFO, but the RuAF THEMSELVES were saying the equivalent of "just one and a half weeks and we'll have the whole country in our palm". To their own commanders. Via their official war comms. Case closed.
Everything about the initial phase of the invasion clearly indicates that it was supposed to be a quick decapitation strike followed by several weeks of mopping up isolated pockets of resistance. It is clear to anyone who is not an absolute moron.
Everything about the initial phase of the invasion clearly indicates that it was supposed to be a quick decapitation strike followed by several weeks of mopping up isolated pockets of resistance. It is clear to anyone who is not an absolute moron.
Russia was banking on a morale collapse like Afghanistan, probably would have happened if Zelensky fled. I also assume Russia thought the US and EU wouldn't have the resolve to back Ukraine as heavily as they have. I think Putin has also fricked himself by surrounding himself with yes men who don't give him accurate info, he might have honestly believed the "we'll be greeted as liberators" shit that his clowns told him
>Afghanistan-lite collapse >US not supporting Ukraine
Both of those are massive miscalculations. The Donbabwe conflict leading up to the war has been downplayed alot, but the Ukrainians have been fighting pretty well-armed Donbabwe separatists along with legit Russian units that merely "got lost" in Ukraine for nearly a decade. After 2019, it was never going to be a case of a poorly trained, poorly supplied, endemically corrupt army falling apart at first contact, Zelensky fleeing or not. And much of the international resolve came after Ukraine proved it could hold out. It really was a case of Russia feeding on its own propaganda. Had they actually seen their previous attacks into Ukraine as something other than "some guys that just got lost, we promise :)", they might have realized that they were basically stress testing the Ukrainian military.
>kept the plan secret from almost everyone who would discover they had to carry it out
What I read was that even lavrov who is their you know, FOREIGN MINISTER, did not know about it.
So when it actually happened he kissed his reputation goodbye.
I imagine he is internally seething about it but it's too late and trying to get away will result in an unfortunate accident.
Lavrov didn’t lose credibility because he’s always been full of shit. He doesn’t control anything, he doesn’t know the plans of the people who do, and even if he did he would lie about it whether or not there is any benefit to Russia by doing so. It’s been this way for more than a decade at least
>Early strikes on Ukrainian
airfields, for example, destroyed many hangars. By photographing this damage and printing the
resulting pattern on to sheets, it became possible to clear the rubble and erect covers for aircraft
to return to the site, sheltering in positions that the Russians would confirm as destroyed. This
led – somewhat amusingly – to the Russians debating whether Ukrainian fighter aircraft were
operating from subterranean shelters at several sites.
The absolute state
>Initially Russian special forces entered the city in light vehicles, only to be isolated. When offered an opportunity to surrender, these personnel claimed that the Ukrainian defenders would soon be the ones surrendering once larger combat units arrived. The disparity in preparedness between these special forces’ groups and their conventional supporting units, however, hindered their coordination and the advanced parties were subsequently destroyed
Lmao
The trick to winning fights is to never underestimate your opponents and give them everything you've got from the outset. You hit the other guy until the stop fighting. You don't walk up to a man with his dukes up with your arms at your side, threaten them with your friends that aren't even there and gloat about it. You're going to lose teeth like that.
>You're going to lose teeth like that.
Teeth are a HATO hoax. And totally over-rated, anyway. We never really wanted any teeth ... that's just Western propaganda.
>You're going to lose teeth like that.
Teeth are a HATO hoax. And totally over-rated, anyway. We never really wanted any teeth ... that's just Western propaganda.
Russia went in with a bad assumption, with no command and control, with the rough outline of a plan, thinking they'd figure it out when they got there. They've been doing nothing but reacting the entire time and their OODA loop has been easy to interdict... Hell, they've even been doing it to themselves.
>Early strikes on Ukrainian
airfields, for example, destroyed many hangars. By photographing this damage and printing the
resulting pattern on to sheets, it became possible to clear the rubble and erect covers for aircraft
to return to the site, sheltering in positions that the Russians would confirm as destroyed. This
led – somewhat amusingly – to the Russians debating whether Ukrainian fighter aircraft were
operating from subterranean shelters at several sites.
The absolute state
[...] >Initially Russian special forces entered the city in light vehicles, only to be isolated. When offered an opportunity to surrender, these personnel claimed that the Ukrainian defenders would soon be the ones surrendering once larger combat units arrived. The disparity in preparedness between these special forces’ groups and their conventional supporting units, however, hindered their coordination and the advanced parties were subsequently destroyed
Lmao
[...]
The whole thing is fascinating reading and it's loaded with knee-slappers like those. Putin was apparently so convinced that secrecy would enable his genius sneak attack that he kept the plan secret from almost everyone who would discover they had to carry it out.
My fave, though is the perfect counter-argument against the popular vatnik "b-but only the westoids were saying Kyiv in three days" cope (p12): >The synchronisation matrix of the 1st Guards Tank Army (Western Military District), for example, captured near Kyiv in March 2022, stated that by D+10 the force would ‘proceed to the blocking and destruction of individual scattered units of the Armed Forces and the remnants of nationalist resistance units’.
So there it is in black and white: not the western media, not NAFO, but the RuAF THEMSELVES were saying the equivalent of "just one and a half weeks and we'll have the whole country in our palm". To their own commanders. Via their official war comms. Case closed.
They are literally talking about the new Russian missile offensive, inneffective Ukrainian AA, about how Ukraine will fall anyday, about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
Etc.
There are so many, what appear to be bots far into delusion. Any positive pro Ukraine post at all is constantly referred to as some varietial slur involving /k/, the shills are obsessed with this board and DnC all day on there.
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
France has riots and protests fricking regularly. That's like their thing. Unrest isn't even just with France. A lot of nations are striking over shit.
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
France has riots and protests fricking regularly. That's like their thing. Unrest isn't even just with France. A lot of nations are striking over shit.
haaaaaaaa back to the old days.
Honestly, it was pretty calm in the last 4 years but now it's business as usual.
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
France has riots and protests fricking regularly. That's like their thing. Unrest isn't even just with France. A lot of nations are striking over shit.
They're obessed with societal collapse. They've been predicting it for over a decade now. I've had several anons ask me what it was like dealing with race riots because I'm an American.
>societal collapse
They can't stop projecting given the shit they made for themselves.
This is a cultural meme really, the Goverment was telling us in all available cultural channels they had that the west is a corrupt edifice with unjust roots that is about to collapse comrades, anyday now. (For 2.5 generations)
It became a meme that stays with you, even after your own side collapses in on itself
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
They said the same thing about Britain last year.
They didn't believe it when people told them that democracy collapses all the time, that Britain's political collapse had no bearing on whether or not it would continue supporting Ukraine. The saddest thing is they should've known that, because most of them live in democratic countries.
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now >People unable to function with day-to-day interactions and normal human relations hoping for the collapse
I will never understand these people
human value and the way humans interface would be entirely different post-collapse. your ability to have an office job and regular social life in our modern bug-society have very little to do with the experience you would have once SHTF
>people who are failures when life is easy will succeed when things become much harder
1 year ago
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To a certain extent this is true though. When shit hits the fan, the criminal element almost always winds up flourishing. We saw in Russia in the First World War where Bolsheviks and other rabble rousers successfully overthrew the Russian Empire and the Bolsheviks won the civil war that ensued. We saw this in WWII where the Italian Mafia was being used as an intelligence network by the Allies. We saw it in the Yugoslav Wars where Serbian gangsters were elevated to respectable society. We're even seeing this today with Prigozhin and the Wagner Group
>people who are failures when life is easy will succeed when things become much harder
The social outcast nerds would be left to die in the wilderness, meanwhile normies would thrive in tribe-like communities, the officer Stacy is now the spiritual head of the tribe.
You certainly need to learn English a bit better before you comment again that's for sure froggy, the implication of the post implied that France allways has protests and /misc/ is stupid for thinking anything will collapse.
My favourite takeaway so far is that ukraine was too poor to retain skilled soldiers over the last 10 years meaning they had to keep retraining new specialists. The end result being they had shitloads of trained specialists in the civilian population waiting to be mobilised
https://rusi.org/
These guys. The report was written by one a RUSI guy and two ukrainian commanders. Apparently they were given access to ukraines internal loss data to make the report accurate but that data is still classified so it isnt directly included
According to the report it was a fairly small group of Putin and his top advisors with the FSB. The plan is actually not terrible and easily could have worked. Flawed execution more than anything else
>The plan is actually not terrible and easily could have worked.
Only if their assumptions and intel wasnt wrong. I dont know if it was a self-illusion, grunts who had to reach goals and faked the numbers like “i turned 10 high ranking generals into our assets“ while one Ukrainian general promised to not shoot Russian soldiers if they are peacefully!
>https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine-PFor example, the Khibiny EW pod, mounted to a number of Russian aircraft,
automatically detects radars and disrupts them. Unfortunately for the Russians, it tends to
also do this to other Russian aircraft.
MY new favourite conclusion. Russians are highly vulnerable to deception but at the same time are sometimes shockingly blind to telegraphed signals. So when deceiving the russians its important to be super obvious with the deception because they wont notice anything subtle
You could literally say in a press release you were going to bomb Moscow with a drone and they'd ignore the 6 trucks with bottomed suspensions driving into Red Square. They're fricking moronic.
Yeah I basically read that ages ago, its supposedly why they keep telling then openly >WE ARE GOING TO ATTACK AND TAKE KHERSON IN 2 MONTHS GUYS"
Or >WE'RE TOTALLY ATTACKING SOUTH
Excuse the caps, but you get the idea.
interesting read but worrisome
it seems even then they noted Russian thrusts toward Bakhmut were inexplicable but also that Ukrainian politics also caused tactical and strategic orders that were suboptimal
>The AFRF are culturally vulnerable to deception because they lack the ability to rapidly fuse information, are culturally averse to providing those who are executing orders with
the context to exercise judgement, and incentivise a dishonest reporting culture.
Based and Qing China pilled. Just lie to the boss and say we good.
Also I enjoy reading these things because literal western propaganda is more tepid than /k/'s frothing at the mouth. Thanks for the read.
I remember the screeching of literal glavset drones at the first and second day of the war. They would spam "footage" of ukrainian soldiers putting down their weapons and joining the Russians, while dancing together in an open field. "See there's no resistance" etc. I want to murder every glavset and every fricking chugger so much
Not even halfway through but some of my favorites:
>Separately Gerasimov told British counterparts that Russia had achieved conventional military parity with the US. (Right before the invasion)
>Furthermore, the Russian lists appeared to be linear and unresponsive to updated information. Many strikes were struck that had not been military positions for years. Moreover, against moving targets, new detections would apparently be added to the target list, without removing the previous reported location, so that dynamic strikes were often delivered too late. Furthermore, the number of munitions assigned to each target appeared to bear little correlation to the size of the target, suggesting limited familiarity with the effects of these classes of munitions among Russian planners. (On initial RuAF missile/air strikes)
>Thus, in the first days of the invasion, a large number of Ukrainian generals received personal messages from Russian military leaders urging them to surrender and assuring them that Russia did not intend to do any harm to Ukraine. Messages of similar content, but sent from anonymous numbers, were received by almost all colonels and other senior officers of the UAF. The strategic importance of this campaign is evidenced by the fact that on the second day of the invasion, Putin publicly appealed to the Ukrainian military to not resist the Russian invasion.
>sorry boss, vehicles got totaled by mines and AT fire which you provided zero preparation or covering fire for with artillery, air, or infantry escort, guess we'll have to wait till we get new Sovshit vehicles off the refurbishment line
People have got stuck on Ukraine being considered the poorest in Europe per capita I think. Russia is 10x the GDP of Ukraine, but USA was like 500x the gdp of Iraq.
Vietnam war was bad for USA when russia supplying arms to a low income country. Now there's an even greater gap between USA/NATO and Russia, and Ukraine as a middle income industrial economy is recieving arms and intelligence support.
If Russia really anticipated this quagmire instead of the narrative that they fricked up their attempt to rush the country without resistance, they would have known what a decade long shitshow this would be.
There is no military '$ to Ukraine' - the military aid goes to American manufacturing facilities to create modern replacements to the older Bradleys and HIMARS being tossed to Ukraine that are not only never going to be used even if there was a NATO-Russia war in Europe as it would be outdated as frick, but actually saves cost on maintaining and storing ageing weapons.
So when Trump says 'That money should be spent on American workers,' it is, and if Trump got in again, that money would immediately be given as a tax cut to American billionaires just like in 2017 while his MIGAtard supporters basedface over how he 'stuck it to the establishment'.
well, there actually IS direct cash being infused into Ukraine to pay their social services, their pensions, and their army....but it is mostly Europe giving those gibs, not us.
Much of it from Germany as well in the form of ~~*loans*~~, but the terms are way better than the war loans America gave Britain during WW2.
(You) >The gay pig on israelitetube
Full stop. Post ignored. (You) need to go leave where your moronic-speak makes sense to other morons who are like yourself.
The gay pig on israelitetube brought up the idea of the Ukrainians doing "The Big Front" and poking all over the front line. I myself am a bit skeptical about the viability of that long term, and I doubt the Ukrainians would really commit to spreading out for fear of everything being too conservatively deployed to exploit breakthroughs or overextending; but with the improved artillery they're getting and the shit we've been seeing in Bakhmut and Vuhledar (shit-tier trained troops, and willful grinders for the sake of taking streets and buildings), it really makes me wonder if the Russians have very much to work with if they do start poking.
I heard talk from somewhere about how their mobilized troops should be out of training about now- I chortled at that. I think their +300,000 mobilized replace people stationed elsewhere in Russia or went directly to plug the fricking gash that was opened in the Luhansk Oblast after the Kharkiv Offensive, as well as reinforcing the line in Donbass and occupied Zaporizhia, as fast as they could shove those people through basic. Unless they mobilize again I don't really think they'd have any real choice but to (depending on where they break through) consolidate their positions to shorten their front.
I heard some rumor that there was going to be another mobilization wave, any substantial evidence of that?
I...i like the content the homosexual swine puts out. There. I said it.
nothing wrong with liking lazerpig, but he’s clearly another armchair general that will look for justification of his opinions before he looks for evidence to the contrary. That and the usual gay discord bullshit that all these e-celebs fall into eventually.
Treat him as entertainment first and foremost instead of a knowledgeable source, since thats his schtick.
>Rush B(akhmut) cyka >*Ukraine expects this* >*Russians get caught in meat grinder* >*Meat grinder causes Russian leadership to play Game of Thrones by leading each other into killing fields, with Wagner being the head recipient of the killing fields*
>"no you don't understand this is just reconnaissance by fire, it's actually clever, we kill them with arty" >Slowly have artillery rations cut lower and lower >Suddenly can't use the tactic, both because the arty is inaccurate as shit and relies on volume of fire and the fighting is now in a more urban setting where grid-squaring will just kill the troops you actually care about >Everything grinding to a halt
The thing I find really funny / grim about the recent push is that it's still achieving the same thing for the Ukrainians as it did before: soak Russian men and Material. And it's doing an even better job of that now.
AND THE moronS THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD. >"NO, YOU SEE THIS IS ATTRITIONAL WARFARE, RUSSIA WINS THROUGH ATTRITION, LIKE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR *~~*~~ UKRAINE IS LOSING AS PLANNED. ALL WAR IS ATTRITIONAL ANYWAY"
BASICALLY >"NO YOU SEE I COULD GO AROUND THIS WALL TO CONTINUE INTO YOUR HOUSE BUT PUNCHING AND KICKING IT IS ACTUALLY A SMART MOVE, WHEN I'M THROUGH THERE WILL BE NO WALL ANYMORE" >"IGNORE MY BROKEN AND BLOODY HANDS AND BRUISED FEET, THAT'S JUST A PART OF THE PROCESS"
Massive amounts of deserved mistrust in mainstream media outlets, so people turn to even less trustworthy internet personalities instead thinking the alternative has to be better simply because it disagrees with the mainstream narrative.
Combination of >Extreme distrust in media/government officials rightfully warranted after decades of flat out lied >Disbelief that the state that was THE enemy for the past 100 years could flub it so badly on a grand stange (mostly because the public largely ignored the Russian occupation of Afghanistan) >Some Russian psyops and probably even some American/NATO ops to ensure that people would be more willing to send weapons to Ukraine
In the end the Russian will declare victory because they occupy some of Ukraine. It literally doesn't matter what goes wrong so long as they hold more than the start of the war. It was a victory even if NATO is expanded and rearming. Even if Ukraine is still independent and the Donbas can still be shelled at anytime. Even if Crimea is now under more missile threat than ever before. It's a victory because Russia has more clay and fought the entirety of global NATO singlehandedly without collapsing. No other nation could do that.
Of course it's a continuation of a failed war with obvious consequences not in any way advantageous to Russia but that doesn't matter. Russians are not the smartest bunch and their supporters online even less so.
>In the end the Russian will declare victory because they occupy some of Ukraine
Putin can declare victory all he wants, won't stop Ukranians from taking their country back.
I've been saying this for a couple months now. Ukraine doesn't have to win anything anymore. They don't have to retake regions or cities, or even advance fronts. All they have to do is force a stalemate until Russia defeats itself by throwing bodies and equipment at a failure of a war until they are so weak they can be blown over by a stiff breeze. That might take a while longer, but it's inevitable at this point.
They continued to conduct offensives even after suffering catastrophic battlefield reversals at Kharkov and Kherson mere months earlier.
If the Russians had suddenly grown a brainstem in November, they would have stopped all offensives and refocused their efforts on holding the territory they already have or even withdrawing from territory they had no ability to hold and fortifying the shit out of every piece of defendable land they could.
If Nazi Germany had been even half this knobheaded, the Third Reich would have collapsed by the end of 1943.
I'm confused..
Isn't this like the absolute peak of the Ukrainian mud season?
I don't think even the Russians would be silly enough to try an offensive right now...
Not enought ammo, not enough soldiers. And it looks like you could say men instead of soldiers. All the mobiks on the paper looks like were just on the paper or not soldier material aka deployed and insta killed!
I’m curious to see what happens in five, ten, twenty years when the dust settles either way. I wonder if (what’s left of) Russia is going to look back and see what they did wrong and actually attempt to fix the various problems that led to this abysmal frickery, or if the response is going to be the usual “is of not Russias fault. Is NATO pigdog sabotage. Glorious Russia still stronk. Do the same but more”
If there’s anything left culturally of Russia it will simply pull the “stabbed in the back” routine and blame Putin, then wallow in misery for a few centuries before something finally puts them down
>and blame Putin
I am not so sure of that. Probably they will say that Putin was fooled by his generals or that NATO attacked Russia and if Putin didnt intervened Russia would be an nuclear waste land of homosexuals!
They will probably find a way to throw Wagner under the bus, Prigozhin out a window and all the assets of both into national coffers (whatever of it is left).
I wonder if "parts" or Russia will break away in the chaos (specifically occupied Georgia and Chechnya) and if the admin in tranistria will be forced to pack it in.
>Wagner
You could have a point. Maybe they will say he ate too many ressources but didnt get Bakhmut like he should. Perfect scapegoat for the Russian leadership!
>misinformation
This is probably going to happen and keep happening. They've gotten very good at it and for anyone that speaks against, they can just toss in the gulag.
Yeah, you are probably right. Just like they started to worship stalin again despite he oppressed his citizins but made Russia bigger! It is all about status quo.
>misinformation
This is probably going to happen and keep happening. They've gotten very good at it and for anyone that speaks against, they can just toss in the gulag.
>misinformation
This is probably going to happen and keep happening. They've gotten very good at it and for anyone that speaks against, they can just toss in the gulag.
If there’s anything left culturally of Russia it will simply pull the “stabbed in the back” routine and blame Putin, then wallow in misery for a few centuries before something finally puts them down
Anyone in Russia who can recognize this kind of shit as fricking stupid either dies or leaves.
All that's left are the complacent and and the arrogantly ignorant.
That's the thing. The old ones will eventually give birth to a new generation and they will grow up to be ignorant. If the parents know russia is a shithole and can't leave, they'll have to keep quiet about the state of things. Otherwise, the children may blab which means off to the gulag and the kids off to the grandparents. Or orphanage. Or child prostitution. If the kids don't know any better, they'll continue being ignorant of the world beyond russia. Add in propaganda and you eventually end up with the mess current russia is in. It's an endless cycle.
God it's depressing. Yeah there are people who do eventually see it for what it is, but most of them leave, and that just leaves Russia in a state where it's never gonna get better unless they actually hit a Demographic collapse, and even then I doubt any of the people who left will ever want to go back.
"Cпoкoйнaя нoчь," "Spokoynaya noch" comes to mind as a term.
I like listening to Kino, and actively sought out translations, but the songs hit harder now that all this shit going down.
The main problem is Russia at this point is literately incapable of achieving its maximum war goals but hasn't really restructured its army towards anything else. Even if this offensive was moderately successful it wouldn't really change anything except help secure territory Russia has already taken and maybe hurt Ukrainian offensive capabilities but if that's their goal there are better ways of achieving that, and ironically this offensive is probably having the opposite effect and is exhausting Russian resources and yet again giving Ukraine an opportunity to leverage another mistake.
Warm winter didn’t freeze Europe
its was normal Euro winter - not really different than anything in last 10-15 years
Barely trained, overly concerned about internal politics, not the actual war effort, the very concept of hybrid warfare, attrited to shit.
no experience
no supply
no leadership
no strategy
So why can't Ukraine win?
Ukraine periodically don’t use the electrical grid, especially not at night. It’s basically the same strategy used by poor countries in Africa or South America.
Is that really the best Russia can do a fricking year into full scale war on their border; damaging (not even destroying) the electrical grid?
When america invaded iraq they had coordinated PGM strikes targeting fiber-optic cables, electrical substations e.t.c. based on weeks or months of gathered intelligence. Just compare the two
Wait this was the actual offensive? I thought it was 'probing attacks' and 'recon in force' and shit? Have we reached the stage of the war where Russia is super fricked but Ukraine has nowhere near the amount of shit to push them out? So China is going to get time to resupply Russia and Russia can try again in six months?
You don't reorganize your forces into assault brigades if you just want to probe.
You might be moronic.
Clearly you are because he is mocking people for saying this wasn't the offensive. I am actually baffled by posters on /k/ who can't understand simple posts. It is always like you're all fricking bots and you can't understand simple shit.
t. the moron who got called out
if an offensive succeeds, its "ukrainian lines collapsing." if an offensive fails, it's a "probing attack."
Unlike Russia, Ukraine is patient
they have supplies, they will attack when they want to
I expect it will be a much better executed assault than Russia's aborted offensives in Bakhmut and Vuhledar. If for no other reason that sheer exhaustion and low morale on the Russian side, which isn't fixable.
Shock and awe is a real thing, we have seen whole trenches surrender to a single APC squad already in this war last year, I expect that will be happening again with Bradleys, Leopards, and Abrams. Even larger and scarier vehicles bearing down on even more war-weary and dispirited troops than last time? They know they stand no chance, there will be breaks everywhere in the Russian line
The gay pig on israelitetube brought up the idea of the Ukrainians doing "The Big Front" and poking all over the front line. I myself am a bit skeptical about the viability of that long term, and I doubt the Ukrainians would really commit to spreading out for fear of everything being too conservatively deployed to exploit breakthroughs or overextending; but with the improved artillery they're getting and the shit we've been seeing in Bakhmut and Vuhledar (shit-tier trained troops, and willful grinders for the sake of taking streets and buildings), it really makes me wonder if the Russians have very much to work with if they do start poking.
I heard talk from somewhere about how their mobilized troops should be out of training about now- I chortled at that. I think their +300,000 mobilized replace people stationed elsewhere in Russia or went directly to plug the fricking gash that was opened in the Luhansk Oblast after the Kharkiv Offensive, as well as reinforcing the line in Donbass and occupied Zaporizhia, as fast as they could shove those people through basic. Unless they mobilize again I don't really think they'd have any real choice but to (depending on where they break through) consolidate their positions to shorten their front.
I heard some rumor that there was going to be another mobilization wave, any substantial evidence of that?
Russia does yearly conscription of reservists in the spring, normally they go through training and either can the join the military after for a full time gig or go home. This is not uncommon practice for a country of course.
The real kicker is the way Russian law interacts with these reservists and mobilization have been tweaked since the war began, this year's batch is likely to be greatly increased in number and while they can't be deployed outside of Russian territory the Kremlin just so happens to have annexed a bunch of Ukraine (including big chunks they don't actually control) with intentionally undefined borders. They need to mobilize and have been passing laws to increase the size of the standing military as a cover to use reservist training as shadow mobilization. Russia has a massive problem with training the recruits however, they already folded most of the professional infantry training personnel into BTGs back in late summer. This also doesn't fix their equipment issues, they have bumped tank refitting up to the 8-900 a year range but have already lost thousands in just the first year of the war and airframes are still basically irreplaceable. Funny enough though the biggest problem is Russia is just tapped out of military trucks at this point and has to maintain their logistic trails with fricking city buses and donated vans.
See, even if they do all that, the reduction in material used makes me still wonder what the hell they'd even do with the next wave of mobiks. It is glaringly clear that at the very least in the department of artillery they are having to cut back (from "60,000" shells a day in june, to 10,000 in sept, to 4-6000 in Feb with non-critical lines in the north receiving drastically less to accommodate) I don't think they could do what they've done in the last month in bakhmut in other places, much less multiple places at the same time. And how would they marshal the mobiks in a hypothetical defensive while they seem to be lacking in transports, with fricking MT-LBs being made into diet Terminators / Shilkas and supposedly BTR-50s being reactivated
I phrase it that way to inoculate the post against /misc/tards for fear of them using stupid irrelevant facts to slide. I don't actually give a shit that lazerpig is gay, and I'm sorry to tell you this but you're on PrepHole, irreverent and offensive terminology is part of the language here.
(You)
>The gay pig on israelitetube
Full stop. Post ignored. (You) need to go leave where your moronic-speak makes sense to other morons who are like yourself.
Maybe it's (You) who needs to go back to wherever you came from, you fricking tourist. Calling eachother gay isn't just a /misc/ thing. It's a standard lingo that's been used across all of PrepHole since immemorial
You're right, he should have him the gay pig.
I watch his videos sometimes too
Welcome to /k/, newbie. Now get out.
>I think their +300,000 mobilized replace people stationed elsewhere in Russia or went directly to plug the fricking gash that was opened in the Luhansk Oblast after the Kharkiv Offensive
It's the latter option, and only that. Since about mid-February, there are new videos every day made by mobilized, usually present in platoon to company strength, making personal appeals to Putin about how they've been lied to and instead of becoming rear eschelon or serving in Russia like they've been promised they are being thrown into literal WW1 human wave attacks against well-defended Ukie trench lines and bunkers, no exaggeration whatsoever. A lot of these videos have follow-ups by these same mobilized' family members who reveal how the men making the first video where AGAIN thrown into the exact same human wave attack at the exact same spot, and how there's only a couple crippled survivors left to tell the tale. It happens literally every day now as situation at Bahmut grows more and more terrible.
>Unless they mobilize again
The new mobilization is already underway. 2 or 3 days ago a new wave of draft notices made its way to postboxes around Siberia. It's possible they will be smarter about it this time (like leaving Moscow and SPB out of it), but given the numbers they require (>500k) it will very quickly turn into a total shitshow of penal battalions and chain gangs.
>and while they (conscripts) can't be deployed outside of Russian territory
You are incorrect. Legally there is nothing whatsoever preventing Russian conscripts from being deployed anywhere anytime, including a human wave attack at Bahmut. They were very widely deployed in the first weeks of the war on every Ukrainian front.
The ONLY reason they were withdrawn then and have not been used since except as rear eschelon is politics. Putin knows that there's a massive difference between Russians not resisting his politics long as it doesn't affect them personally and them sacrificing their sons for him.
>Have we reached the stage of the war where Russia is super fricked but Ukraine has nowhere near the amount of shit to push them out?
I thought we were at that point six months ago. But the Ukies have shown they can surprise you.
So, the Russian high command has come up with this truly fascinating way of breaking through Ukie lines by copying Wagner's homework, but rewriting it slightly so that it looks like they developed their new tactics themselves.
These new tactics being that they only throw a platoon with two tanks at the Ukie lines instead of the usual three tanks and five IFVs/APCs. That way, they don't lose as much when the attack fails, but it looks like they are a lot more of them than they actually are and they can report back that they are continually on the offensive whilst achieving the same amount of success as before.
Well, for one thing, Russia's invasion plan was predicated on the assumption that they'd be met with such little resistance that ten days in their forces would be mostly mopping up scattered pockets of resistance and partisan activity.
See page 12, here: https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine-Preliminary-Lessons-Feb-July-2022-web-final.pdf
Apparently they didn't do much in the way of red-teaming.
>Early strikes on Ukrainian
airfields, for example, destroyed many hangars. By photographing this damage and printing the
resulting pattern on to sheets, it became possible to clear the rubble and erect covers for aircraft
to return to the site, sheltering in positions that the Russians would confirm as destroyed. This
led – somewhat amusingly – to the Russians debating whether Ukrainian fighter aircraft were
operating from subterranean shelters at several sites.
The absolute state
That's some fricking looney tunes shit right there
ukrainians:
>MEEP MEEP
I wonder why ruBlack folk never bombed underground airfields in my city, which supposed to be one of the biggest in USSR that stored TU-144 and shit.
Considering our pro-russian subhuman mayor, they either knew nothing is here or planned easy grab just after Kharkiv.
The whole thing is fascinating reading and it's loaded with knee-slappers like those. Putin was apparently so convinced that secrecy would enable his genius sneak attack that he kept the plan secret from almost everyone who would discover they had to carry it out.
My fave, though is the perfect counter-argument against the popular vatnik "b-but only the westoids were saying Kyiv in three days" cope (p12):
>The synchronisation matrix of the 1st Guards Tank Army (Western Military District), for example, captured near Kyiv in March 2022, stated that by D+10 the force would ‘proceed to the blocking and destruction of individual scattered units of the Armed Forces and the remnants of nationalist resistance units’.
So there it is in black and white: not the western media, not NAFO, but the RuAF THEMSELVES were saying the equivalent of "just one and a half weeks and we'll have the whole country in our palm". To their own commanders. Via their official war comms. Case closed.
Everything about the initial phase of the invasion clearly indicates that it was supposed to be a quick decapitation strike followed by several weeks of mopping up isolated pockets of resistance. It is clear to anyone who is not an absolute moron.
Russia was banking on a morale collapse like Afghanistan, probably would have happened if Zelensky fled. I also assume Russia thought the US and EU wouldn't have the resolve to back Ukraine as heavily as they have. I think Putin has also fricked himself by surrounding himself with yes men who don't give him accurate info, he might have honestly believed the "we'll be greeted as liberators" shit that his clowns told him
>Afghanistan-lite collapse
>US not supporting Ukraine
Both of those are massive miscalculations. The Donbabwe conflict leading up to the war has been downplayed alot, but the Ukrainians have been fighting pretty well-armed Donbabwe separatists along with legit Russian units that merely "got lost" in Ukraine for nearly a decade. After 2019, it was never going to be a case of a poorly trained, poorly supplied, endemically corrupt army falling apart at first contact, Zelensky fleeing or not. And much of the international resolve came after Ukraine proved it could hold out. It really was a case of Russia feeding on its own propaganda. Had they actually seen their previous attacks into Ukraine as something other than "some guys that just got lost, we promise :)", they might have realized that they were basically stress testing the Ukrainian military.
>kept the plan secret from almost everyone who would discover they had to carry it out
What I read was that even lavrov who is their you know, FOREIGN MINISTER, did not know about it.
So when it actually happened he kissed his reputation goodbye.
I imagine he is internally seething about it but it's too late and trying to get away will result in an unfortunate accident.
Lavrov didn’t lose credibility because he’s always been full of shit. He doesn’t control anything, he doesn’t know the plans of the people who do, and even if he did he would lie about it whether or not there is any benefit to Russia by doing so. It’s been this way for more than a decade at least
If you watched the war declaration video you can clearly see Lavrov is fuming, definitely was not told until the last minute
so somehow the CIA and the west knew before even the foreign minister of russia knew?
So it would seem. I mean he didn't even tell the troops invading from Belarus they would be.
It's funny because it's true.
>Initially Russian special forces entered the city in light vehicles, only to be isolated. When offered an opportunity to surrender, these personnel claimed that the Ukrainian defenders would soon be the ones surrendering once larger combat units arrived. The disparity in preparedness between these special forces’ groups and their conventional supporting units, however, hindered their coordination and the advanced parties were subsequently destroyed
Lmao
The trick to winning fights is to never underestimate your opponents and give them everything you've got from the outset. You hit the other guy until the stop fighting. You don't walk up to a man with his dukes up with your arms at your side, threaten them with your friends that aren't even there and gloat about it. You're going to lose teeth like that.
-t. Sans
>You're going to lose teeth like that.
Teeth are a HATO hoax. And totally over-rated, anyway. We never really wanted any teeth ... that's just Western propaganda.
Russia went in with a bad assumption, with no command and control, with the rough outline of a plan, thinking they'd figure it out when they got there. They've been doing nothing but reacting the entire time and their OODA loop has been easy to interdict... Hell, they've even been doing it to themselves.
How is /misc/ taking this?
They will probably just assume its propaganda so who cares
They are literally talking about the new Russian missile offensive, inneffective Ukrainian AA, about how Ukraine will fall anyday, about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
Etc.
There are so many, what appear to be bots far into delusion. Any positive pro Ukraine post at all is constantly referred to as some varietial slur involving /k/, the shills are obsessed with this board and DnC all day on there.
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
France has riots and protests fricking regularly. That's like their thing. Unrest isn't even just with France. A lot of nations are striking over shit.
haaaaaaaa back to the old days.
Honestly, it was pretty calm in the last 4 years but now it's business as usual.
They're obessed with societal collapse. They've been predicting it for over a decade now. I've had several anons ask me what it was like dealing with race riots because I'm an American.
>societal collapse
They can't stop projecting given the shit they made for themselves.
This is a cultural meme really, the Goverment was telling us in all available cultural channels they had that the west is a corrupt edifice with unjust roots that is about to collapse comrades, anyday now. (For 2.5 generations)
It became a meme that stays with you, even after your own side collapses in on itself
t. former East Bloc resident
The difference that even a semblance of a corrective mechanism can make.
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
They said the same thing about Britain last year.
They didn't believe it when people told them that democracy collapses all the time, that Britain's political collapse had no bearing on whether or not it would continue supporting Ukraine. The saddest thing is they should've known that, because most of them live in democratic countries.
>about how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
>People unable to function with day-to-day interactions and normal human relations hoping for the collapse
I will never understand these people
human value and the way humans interface would be entirely different post-collapse. your ability to have an office job and regular social life in our modern bug-society have very little to do with the experience you would have once SHTF
>people who are failures when life is easy will succeed when things become much harder
To a certain extent this is true though. When shit hits the fan, the criminal element almost always winds up flourishing. We saw in Russia in the First World War where Bolsheviks and other rabble rousers successfully overthrew the Russian Empire and the Bolsheviks won the civil war that ensued. We saw this in WWII where the Italian Mafia was being used as an intelligence network by the Allies. We saw it in the Yugoslav Wars where Serbian gangsters were elevated to respectable society. We're even seeing this today with Prigozhin and the Wagner Group
The social outcast nerds would be left to die in the wilderness, meanwhile normies would thrive in tribe-like communities, the officer Stacy is now the spiritual head of the tribe.
>how France's protests are going to collapse France any day now
LMAO you're a delusional moron
t. frenchman
You certainly need to learn English a bit better before you comment again that's for sure froggy, the implication of the post implied that France allways has protests and /misc/ is stupid for thinking anything will collapse.
they have been celebrating crashing a fighter into a drone for last few days.
This should tell you all you need to know
As well as my local communist party.
As in: Why would I care what these deluded morons are thinking or saying.
My favourite takeaway so far is that ukraine was too poor to retain skilled soldiers over the last 10 years meaning they had to keep retraining new specialists. The end result being they had shitloads of trained specialists in the civilian population waiting to be mobilised
Who came up with this?
https://rusi.org/
These guys. The report was written by one a RUSI guy and two ukrainian commanders. Apparently they were given access to ukraines internal loss data to make the report accurate but that data is still classified so it isnt directly included
Sorry. I mean the Russian commander who came up with the plan.
According to the report it was a fairly small group of Putin and his top advisors with the FSB. The plan is actually not terrible and easily could have worked. Flawed execution more than anything else
>and easily could have worked
No.
> t. all of 2022 in Ukraine
>The plan is actually not terrible and easily could have worked.
Only if their assumptions and intel wasnt wrong. I dont know if it was a self-illusion, grunts who had to reach goals and faked the numbers like “i turned 10 high ranking generals into our assets“ while one Ukrainian general promised to not shoot Russian soldiers if they are peacefully!
>https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine-PFor example, the Khibiny EW pod, mounted to a number of Russian aircraft,
automatically detects radars and disrupts them. Unfortunately for the Russians, it tends to
also do this to other Russian aircraft.
Shit, I thought they would have learned their lesson with the anti tank dogs.
MY new favourite conclusion. Russians are highly vulnerable to deception but at the same time are sometimes shockingly blind to telegraphed signals. So when deceiving the russians its important to be super obvious with the deception because they wont notice anything subtle
You could literally say in a press release you were going to bomb Moscow with a drone and they'd ignore the 6 trucks with bottomed suspensions driving into Red Square. They're fricking moronic.
Yeah I basically read that ages ago, its supposedly why they keep telling then openly
>WE ARE GOING TO ATTACK AND TAKE KHERSON IN 2 MONTHS GUYS"
Or
>WE'RE TOTALLY ATTACKING SOUTH
Excuse the caps, but you get the idea.
interesting read but worrisome
it seems even then they noted Russian thrusts toward Bakhmut were inexplicable but also that Ukrainian politics also caused tactical and strategic orders that were suboptimal
>The AFRF are culturally vulnerable to deception because they lack the ability to rapidly fuse information, are culturally averse to providing those who are executing orders with
the context to exercise judgement, and incentivise a dishonest reporting culture.
Based and Qing China pilled. Just lie to the boss and say we good.
Also I enjoy reading these things because literal western propaganda is more tepid than /k/'s frothing at the mouth. Thanks for the read.
I remember the screeching of literal glavset drones at the first and second day of the war. They would spam "footage" of ukrainian soldiers putting down their weapons and joining the Russians, while dancing together in an open field. "See there's no resistance" etc. I want to murder every glavset and every fricking chugger so much
Not even halfway through but some of my favorites:
>Separately Gerasimov told British counterparts that Russia had achieved conventional military parity with the US. (Right before the invasion)
>Furthermore, the Russian lists appeared to be linear and unresponsive to updated information. Many strikes were struck that had not been military positions for years. Moreover, against moving targets, new detections would apparently be added to the target list, without removing the previous reported location, so that dynamic strikes were often delivered too late. Furthermore, the number of munitions assigned to each target appeared to bear little correlation to the size of the target, suggesting limited familiarity with the effects of these classes of munitions among Russian planners. (On initial RuAF missile/air strikes)
>Thus, in the first days of the invasion, a large number of Ukrainian generals received personal messages from Russian military leaders urging them to surrender and assuring them that Russia did not intend to do any harm to Ukraine. Messages of similar content, but sent from anonymous numbers, were received by almost all colonels and other senior officers of the UAF. The strategic importance of this campaign is evidenced by the fact that on the second day of the invasion, Putin publicly appealed to the Ukrainian military to not resist the Russian invasion.
Trust the plan
Z
May I see it?
This but unironically, due to the weather the gloves remained on during winter
Soon the actual secret REAL Russian army will be unleashed on the hohols!
They've mobilised another 300k, and even the disastrous losses in Vuhledar, Bakhmut etc aren't that high.
Only TWO more weeks!
>ignoring the point
They used Russians to plan, supply and perform with any sort of expectation of a return in value.
ook ook me want field, you drive into mines no disobey
The Russians are running out of shovels to arm their troops with
RUSIAN BROS OH NO WHAT THE FRICK DO WE DO NO-ACK
I honestly wasn't sure if the new offensive even started
Oh it started, lol. And stopped.
Why the frick did they dismount?
>sorry boss, vehicles got totaled by mines and AT fire which you provided zero preparation or covering fire for with artillery, air, or infantry escort, guess we'll have to wait till we get new Sovshit vehicles off the refurbishment line
General Mud started his own offensive.
Attacking an enemy with any sort of parity fricking sucks.
End of.
yea i'm not entirely looking forward to how the ukie offensive goes
especially since the east is probably mined to hell and back now
>that webm
hardy kek
People Playground of you're curious
Jesus that was quick. Already animated memes of that guy
People have got stuck on Ukraine being considered the poorest in Europe per capita I think. Russia is 10x the GDP of Ukraine, but USA was like 500x the gdp of Iraq.
Vietnam war was bad for USA when russia supplying arms to a low income country. Now there's an even greater gap between USA/NATO and Russia, and Ukraine as a middle income industrial economy is recieving arms and intelligence support.
If Russia really anticipated this quagmire instead of the narrative that they fricked up their attempt to rush the country without resistance, they would have known what a decade long shitshow this would be.
Does this mean we can stop giving $ to Ukraine?
They are only winning because of the money we give them, so obviously we cant stop
>we
I don't think india is giving money to Ukraine, pajeet.
>giving $ to Ukraine?
There is no military '$ to Ukraine' - the military aid goes to American manufacturing facilities to create modern replacements to the older Bradleys and HIMARS being tossed to Ukraine that are not only never going to be used even if there was a NATO-Russia war in Europe as it would be outdated as frick, but actually saves cost on maintaining and storing ageing weapons.
So when Trump says 'That money should be spent on American workers,' it is, and if Trump got in again, that money would immediately be given as a tax cut to American billionaires just like in 2017 while his MIGAtard supporters basedface over how he 'stuck it to the establishment'.
well, there actually IS direct cash being infused into Ukraine to pay their social services, their pensions, and their army....but it is mostly Europe giving those gibs, not us.
Much of it from Germany as well in the form of ~~*loans*~~, but the terms are way better than the war loans America gave Britain during WW2.
I...i like the content the homosexual swine puts out. There. I said it.
I was referring exclusively to the military aid - the humanitarian aid America provides is a nothingburger compared to the rest of NATO GDP-wise.
nothing wrong with liking lazerpig, but he’s clearly another armchair general that will look for justification of his opinions before he looks for evidence to the contrary. That and the usual gay discord bullshit that all these e-celebs fall into eventually.
Treat him as entertainment first and foremost instead of a knowledgeable source, since thats his schtick.
>what went wrong?
Ukraine didn't break at Bakhmut right away
>Rush B(akhmut) cyka
>*Ukraine expects this*
>*Russians get caught in meat grinder*
>*Meat grinder causes Russian leadership to play Game of Thrones by leading each other into killing fields, with Wagner being the head recipient of the killing fields*
>"no you don't understand this is just reconnaissance by fire, it's actually clever, we kill them with arty"
>Slowly have artillery rations cut lower and lower
>Suddenly can't use the tactic, both because the arty is inaccurate as shit and relies on volume of fire and the fighting is now in a more urban setting where grid-squaring will just kill the troops you actually care about
>Everything grinding to a halt
The thing I find really funny / grim about the recent push is that it's still achieving the same thing for the Ukrainians as it did before: soak Russian men and Material. And it's doing an even better job of that now.
AND THE moronS THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD.
>"NO, YOU SEE THIS IS ATTRITIONAL WARFARE, RUSSIA WINS THROUGH ATTRITION, LIKE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR *~~*~~ UKRAINE IS LOSING AS PLANNED. ALL WAR IS ATTRITIONAL ANYWAY"
BASICALLY
>"NO YOU SEE I COULD GO AROUND THIS WALL TO CONTINUE INTO YOUR HOUSE BUT PUNCHING AND KICKING IT IS ACTUALLY A SMART MOVE, WHEN I'M THROUGH THERE WILL BE NO WALL ANYMORE"
>"IGNORE MY BROKEN AND BLOODY HANDS AND BRUISED FEET, THAT'S JUST A PART OF THE PROCESS"
Why do a lot of Americans on Twitter think Russia is winning?
Massive amounts of deserved mistrust in mainstream media outlets, so people turn to even less trustworthy internet personalities instead thinking the alternative has to be better simply because it disagrees with the mainstream narrative.
Combination of
>Extreme distrust in media/government officials rightfully warranted after decades of flat out lied
>Disbelief that the state that was THE enemy for the past 100 years could flub it so badly on a grand stange (mostly because the public largely ignored the Russian occupation of Afghanistan)
>Some Russian psyops and probably even some American/NATO ops to ensure that people would be more willing to send weapons to Ukraine
>Lost 50% of bakhmut despite the extra gibs and 500 losses per day
What did the hohol mean by this?
In the end the Russian will declare victory because they occupy some of Ukraine. It literally doesn't matter what goes wrong so long as they hold more than the start of the war. It was a victory even if NATO is expanded and rearming. Even if Ukraine is still independent and the Donbas can still be shelled at anytime. Even if Crimea is now under more missile threat than ever before. It's a victory because Russia has more clay and fought the entirety of global NATO singlehandedly without collapsing. No other nation could do that.
Of course it's a continuation of a failed war with obvious consequences not in any way advantageous to Russia but that doesn't matter. Russians are not the smartest bunch and their supporters online even less so.
>In the end the Russian will declare victory because they occupy some of Ukraine
Putin can declare victory all he wants, won't stop Ukranians from taking their country back.
I've been saying this for a couple months now. Ukraine doesn't have to win anything anymore. They don't have to retake regions or cities, or even advance fronts. All they have to do is force a stalemate until Russia defeats itself by throwing bodies and equipment at a failure of a war until they are so weak they can be blown over by a stiff breeze. That might take a while longer, but it's inevitable at this point.
They continued to conduct offensives even after suffering catastrophic battlefield reversals at Kharkov and Kherson mere months earlier.
If the Russians had suddenly grown a brainstem in November, they would have stopped all offensives and refocused their efforts on holding the territory they already have or even withdrawing from territory they had no ability to hold and fortifying the shit out of every piece of defendable land they could.
If Nazi Germany had been even half this knobheaded, the Third Reich would have collapsed by the end of 1943.
I'm confused..
Isn't this like the absolute peak of the Ukrainian mud season?
I don't think even the Russians would be silly enough to try an offensive right now...
Not enought ammo, not enough soldiers. And it looks like you could say men instead of soldiers. All the mobiks on the paper looks like were just on the paper or not soldier material aka deployed and insta killed!
So what exactly is Russia's plan when they eventually run out of tanks?
Hindenburg-style defense-in-depth, straight from 1917.
plan?
alternatively: picrel
>western intel says
>falling for the propaganda
ISHYGDDT
It was all a ploy to funnel money for another yacht
I’m curious to see what happens in five, ten, twenty years when the dust settles either way. I wonder if (what’s left of) Russia is going to look back and see what they did wrong and actually attempt to fix the various problems that led to this abysmal frickery, or if the response is going to be the usual “is of not Russias fault. Is NATO pigdog sabotage. Glorious Russia still stronk. Do the same but more”
If there’s anything left culturally of Russia it will simply pull the “stabbed in the back” routine and blame Putin, then wallow in misery for a few centuries before something finally puts them down
>and blame Putin
I am not so sure of that. Probably they will say that Putin was fooled by his generals or that NATO attacked Russia and if Putin didnt intervened Russia would be an nuclear waste land of homosexuals!
They will probably find a way to throw Wagner under the bus, Prigozhin out a window and all the assets of both into national coffers (whatever of it is left).
I wonder if "parts" or Russia will break away in the chaos (specifically occupied Georgia and Chechnya) and if the admin in tranistria will be forced to pack it in.
>Wagner
You could have a point. Maybe they will say he ate too many ressources but didnt get Bakhmut like he should. Perfect scapegoat for the Russian leadership!
Yeah, you are probably right. Just like they started to worship stalin again despite he oppressed his citizins but made Russia bigger! It is all about status quo.
>misinformation
This is probably going to happen and keep happening. They've gotten very good at it and for anyone that speaks against, they can just toss in the gulag.
Anyone in Russia who can recognize this kind of shit as fricking stupid either dies or leaves.
All that's left are the complacent and and the arrogantly ignorant.
Guess thats the homosexual sovieticus darwinism.
That's the thing. The old ones will eventually give birth to a new generation and they will grow up to be ignorant. If the parents know russia is a shithole and can't leave, they'll have to keep quiet about the state of things. Otherwise, the children may blab which means off to the gulag and the kids off to the grandparents. Or orphanage. Or child prostitution. If the kids don't know any better, they'll continue being ignorant of the world beyond russia. Add in propaganda and you eventually end up with the mess current russia is in. It's an endless cycle.
God it's depressing. Yeah there are people who do eventually see it for what it is, but most of them leave, and that just leaves Russia in a state where it's never gonna get better unless they actually hit a Demographic collapse, and even then I doubt any of the people who left will ever want to go back.
"Cпoкoйнaя нoчь," "Spokoynaya noch" comes to mind as a term.
I like listening to Kino, and actively sought out translations, but the songs hit harder now that all this shit going down.
no one killed putin twenty two years ago
The main problem is Russia at this point is literately incapable of achieving its maximum war goals but hasn't really restructured its army towards anything else. Even if this offensive was moderately successful it wouldn't really change anything except help secure territory Russia has already taken and maybe hurt Ukrainian offensive capabilities but if that's their goal there are better ways of achieving that, and ironically this offensive is probably having the opposite effect and is exhausting Russian resources and yet again giving Ukraine an opportunity to leverage another mistake.