Why was the NH90 even developed when there's already the AW101 and H225M? What Europe lacked was a CH-53/CH-47 equivalent, not a medium sized helicopter.
Why was the NH90 created when the Merlin existed is indeed the question its better in every metric.
Europe does lack the heavy lift option, but nothing will ever come close to the reliability reputation and stellar performance of the Chinook.
Germany is a retard that originally bought the CH53 instead of the Chinook. They also bought the Tiger and the NH90, procurement of helicopters is not Germanys strong point.
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I mean a heavy lift helicopter is probably even more expensive, you don't have to build everything yourself, buying from the US is fine too (unless you're an autistic frog)
Chinook is already widespread in Europe so it's a good choice (used by UK, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Greece, soon Germany)
NH90 developers were: Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy
what I don't get is why France and Italy participated, since they already had working and proven helicopters that seem (?) to fill literally the exact same role - H225M for France and AW101 for Italy.
for Germany and Netherlands it at least made sense from an economic-financial perspective, building yourself is good for local industry
Chinook is a beast. Everyone loves them civilians and militaries alike.
No idea why Italy joined the NH90 wiki says the Army operate them and Airforce the AW101. H225M isn't really comparable to the AW101, Merlin mogs it In almost every metric. France also has a shit choice for helicopters but at least they have a cannon for the Tiger.
The best choice for helicopters if your a Euro nation is:
Apache for attack
Lynx/Wildcat for Naval attack/Utility/Light attack/ASW
AW149 or Blackhawk medium lift/utility
AW101 for medium/heavy lift/Naval attack/ASW
Chinook Heavy Lift
Yeh our Navy and Aur Force procurement is decent. Ignore our Army's though pls.
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Anonymous
As someone that works on Merlin, I didn't actually know others considered it to be a good aircraft. Everyone bitches about having to work on it and acts like it's a terrible aircraft. I always thought it was pretty decent, most systems seem really reliable and even when shit gets fucked the infrastructure to support it is mostly there and it's easy to replace parts and systems. The real issue is the navy struggling to bring in enough manpower to maintain and support the aircraft is what I tend to see. And there's always fucking oil leaking from every conceivable crevice.
Except we’ve downgraded/side graded our engines for apache. When we first acquired them we put in a better engine, the US had a kerfuffle when they needed to deploy apaches to Afghanistan. We failed to fund research into upgrading it.
Ospreys in "hover mode" are the loudest in my experience. I live near the top of a hill right under the flight path they use whenever POTUS is in my city so they go over me with only a few hundred feet of clearance and it's deafening. Personally I think Ospreys are cool as fuck so I usually just bolt outside to watch them fly over whenever I hear them coming but the rest of the neighborhood fucking hates them.
1 week ago
Anonymous
They always seem to fly at night for some reason, so you just see a bunch of lights. During the annual large scale military exercise they fly multiple times during the night.
>Ospreys
We don't have those so I couldn't tell ya. I believe you though.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>We don't have those so I couldn't tell ya. I believe you though.
Plenty of opportunity to see them flying in the uk.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Speak of the devil, Biden must be in town or on his way soon because a Presidential Flight Osprey just went over my house.
the defense minister that made that decision is widely regarded as the worst one so far, and having incompetent defense ministers is kinda our thing, so that says a lot
That's why Germany suddenly decided to buy Chinooks.
I mean a heavy lift helicopter is probably even more expensive, you don't have to build everything yourself, buying from the US is fine too (unless you're an autistic frog)
Chinook is already widespread in Europe so it's a good choice (used by UK, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Greece, soon Germany)
NH90 developers were: Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy
what I don't get is why France and Italy participated, since they already had working and proven helicopters that seem (?) to fill literally the exact same role - H225M for France and AW101 for Italy.
for Germany and Netherlands it at least made sense from an economic-financial perspective, building yourself is good for local industry
every nation chiming in on their special variant before the base variant was even done, fucking up the timeline even further. then being retarded and not having a good post delivery maintenance setup, with le first come first serve faec and France (smartly or dickishly) appropriating a lot of those resources early, letting everyone else sit with 20% readiness fleet
>The aircraft's development effectively began in 1983 with the Future European Fighter Aircraft programme, a multinational collaboration among the UK, Germany, France, Italy and Spain. Previously, Germany, Italy and the UK had jointly developed and deployed the Panavia Tornado combat aircraft and desired to collaborate on a new project, with additional participating EU nations. However disagreements over design authority and operational requirements led France to leave the consortium to develop the Dassault Rafale independently
read your own sources before posting next time
>"bc the EJ2000 was chosen over an inferior Snecma engine."
Is now equal to >"disagreements over design authority and operational requirements"
Time to go back to school you illiterate imbecile
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>On 2 August 1985, Italy, West Germany and the UK agreed to go ahead with the Eurofighter. The announcement of this agreement confirmed that France had chosen not to proceed as a member of the project.[3] One issue was French insistence that the aircraft be powered by the SNECMA M88, in development at the same time as the XG-40.[4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurojet_EJ200
New Zealand cannot afford buyers remorse. Maybe what they say is true, but I find it highly implausible that Australia couldn't make them work, while Australias significantly poorer neighbor could.
Why was the NH90 even developed when there's already the AW101 and H225M? What Europe lacked was a CH-53/CH-47 equivalent, not a medium sized helicopter.
Why was the NH90 created when the Merlin existed is indeed the question its better in every metric.
Europe does lack the heavy lift option, but nothing will ever come close to the reliability reputation and stellar performance of the Chinook.
That's why Germany suddenly decided to buy Chinooks.
Germany is a retard that originally bought the CH53 instead of the Chinook. They also bought the Tiger and the NH90, procurement of helicopters is not Germanys strong point.
Chinook is a beast. Everyone loves them civilians and militaries alike.
No idea why Italy joined the NH90 wiki says the Army operate them and Airforce the AW101. H225M isn't really comparable to the AW101, Merlin mogs it In almost every metric. France also has a shit choice for helicopters but at least they have a cannon for the Tiger.
The best choice for helicopters if your a Euro nation is:
Apache for attack
Lynx/Wildcat for Naval attack/Utility/Light attack/ASW
AW149 or Blackhawk medium lift/utility
AW101 for medium/heavy lift/Naval attack/ASW
Chinook Heavy Lift
Basically whatever the UK uses is the benchmark.
Yeh our Navy and Aur Force procurement is decent. Ignore our Army's though pls.
As someone that works on Merlin, I didn't actually know others considered it to be a good aircraft. Everyone bitches about having to work on it and acts like it's a terrible aircraft. I always thought it was pretty decent, most systems seem really reliable and even when shit gets fucked the infrastructure to support it is mostly there and it's easy to replace parts and systems. The real issue is the navy struggling to bring in enough manpower to maintain and support the aircraft is what I tend to see. And there's always fucking oil leaking from every conceivable crevice.
Wildcat is shit for utility. Bring back the lynx.
Except we’ve downgraded/side graded our engines for apache. When we first acquired them we put in a better engine, the US had a kerfuffle when they needed to deploy apaches to Afghanistan. We failed to fund research into upgrading it.
>Germany is a retard that originally bought the CH53
You can't transport wiesels in the Chinook.
Not wiesel(s) but definitely wiesel you could sling the other. CH47 is a much much superior helicopter to the CH53.
>Chinook is a beast
I fucking hate chinooks. I live like 20km away from a base and when they take off the whole house shakes, like an earthquake. Fuck that shit.
Ospreys in "hover mode" are the loudest in my experience. I live near the top of a hill right under the flight path they use whenever POTUS is in my city so they go over me with only a few hundred feet of clearance and it's deafening. Personally I think Ospreys are cool as fuck so I usually just bolt outside to watch them fly over whenever I hear them coming but the rest of the neighborhood fucking hates them.
They always seem to fly at night for some reason, so you just see a bunch of lights. During the annual large scale military exercise they fly multiple times during the night.
>Ospreys
We don't have those so I couldn't tell ya. I believe you though.
>We don't have those so I couldn't tell ya. I believe you though.
Plenty of opportunity to see them flying in the uk.
Speak of the devil, Biden must be in town or on his way soon because a Presidential Flight Osprey just went over my house.
the defense minister that made that decision is widely regarded as the worst one so far, and having incompetent defense ministers is kinda our thing, so that says a lot
I mean a heavy lift helicopter is probably even more expensive, you don't have to build everything yourself, buying from the US is fine too (unless you're an autistic frog)
Chinook is already widespread in Europe so it's a good choice (used by UK, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Greece, soon Germany)
NH90 developers were: Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy
what I don't get is why France and Italy participated, since they already had working and proven helicopters that seem (?) to fill literally the exact same role - H225M for France and AW101 for Italy.
for Germany and Netherlands it at least made sense from an economic-financial perspective, building yourself is good for local industry
AW101 is fucking huge compared to NH90. It wouldn't fit on the majority of NATO Frigates
It's foldable, It fits on the Type 23 but not in the hanger.
It absolutely fits in the hanger. This is a hanger that can hold two lynx.
Appologies I didn't think they fit.
at a guess? germans.
it's france this time, specifically the supply chain
it only takes a little.
63% of the thing is French, yet it's the Germans fault?
Nah senpai, not this time.
>63% of the thing is French
Why do you indulge in such lie?
Anglotards read "airbus" and automatically think it's all French.
It's not merlin
every nation chiming in on their special variant before the base variant was even done, fucking up the timeline even further. then being retarded and not having a good post delivery maintenance setup, with le first come first serve faec and France (smartly or dickishly) appropriating a lot of those resources early, letting everyone else sit with 20% readiness fleet
Nord sabotage
France acting up. Same happened during the Typhoon program.
>Eurofighter
>France
Another mind where France lives rent free
France was originally part of it but left the Eurofighter bc the EJ2000 was chosen over an inferior Snecma engine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
No traces of your fanfiction over there
>The aircraft's development effectively began in 1983 with the Future European Fighter Aircraft programme, a multinational collaboration among the UK, Germany, France, Italy and Spain. Previously, Germany, Italy and the UK had jointly developed and deployed the Panavia Tornado combat aircraft and desired to collaborate on a new project, with additional participating EU nations. However disagreements over design authority and operational requirements led France to leave the consortium to develop the Dassault Rafale independently
read your own sources before posting next time
>"bc the EJ2000 was chosen over an inferior Snecma engine."
Is now equal to
>"disagreements over design authority and operational requirements"
Time to go back to school you illiterate imbecile
>On 2 August 1985, Italy, West Germany and the UK agreed to go ahead with the Eurofighter. The announcement of this agreement confirmed that France had chosen not to proceed as a member of the project.[3] One issue was French insistence that the aircraft be powered by the SNECMA M88, in development at the same time as the XG-40.[4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurojet_EJ200
>One issue
Please stop embarrassing yourself
He’s done you.
>but left the Eurofighter bc the EJ2000 was chosen over an inferior Snecma engine.
They left because they wanted 1. a multirole aricraft, not just an interceptor and 2. a naval version.
And they were proven right on both points.
Why would France need a naval version?
Are you retarded?
No, but you seem to be.
I'm not sure if this is bait or you're a newfag but France maintains an catobar aircraft carrier retard
Not really.
Genuine retard it is then
>knows nothing about the CdG
>knows nothing about France’s navy
Kek
Tiger=dogshit
NH90=dogshit
France seemed surprised when Australia dumped their subs after suffering through the tiger and MRH90.
Shut the fuck up bing bong and give the money for Calais as you've been told to by your masters
maybe you could use it to boost your gdp or defence budget you soft cunt kek
>Smegma
Do France really?
Countries with poor planning and poor logistics.
New Zealand has absolutely no issues with the NH90 and is actually flying them a lot.
New Zealand cannot afford buyers remorse. Maybe what they say is true, but I find it highly implausible that Australia couldn't make them work, while Australias significantly poorer neighbor could.
https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/helicopters-there-is-nothing-wrong-with-tiger-and-taipan-the-problem-is-defence-logistics/
They did have issues in the past though
You'd ordered fixed wing aircraft and that showed up instead?
It’s the french, they just fuck everything up like usual