>twitter thread
Again, it was annoying with Rusgays did this with every battle and each time it turned into a nothingburger. Don't also start doing it for every Ukrainian advance.
>Anon use your brain >10 nato generals and 100 SAS soldiers died when trying to retake snake island >no need to use my brain on this one, nato bfto chugsisters
on the scale from 1 to 10, how accurate do you think are those numbers?
imo about 7, we've seen claims from Girkin and Murz about massive losses in separatist cannon fodder and rusnigs also lost all the momentum after a phyrric victory in lysychansk
I wouldn't think a village that size could even sustain a garrison over a few hundred. Even if you've got a rifle in every window, how many windows are in a town with two dozen buildings?
On the other hand, RuAF are moronic, maybe an entire logistics unit didn't get the message to retreat and is stuck there alone.
>I wouldn't think a village that size could even sustain a garrison over a few hundred. Even if you've got a rifle in every window, how many windows are in a town with two dozen buildings?
That ain't really how it works. Pressure causes troops in outlying areas to retreat backwards towards the main supply lines, so that large numbers of troops end up in tiny little towns. I'm not saying this has happened, but if it did that's what happened, not that they packed a large garrison into a small village.
It is also logical for Russians to first collapse together along the frontlines, if they retreat before reaching a critical mass they could get shot by their morale corps.
a lot of those missing soldiers are nothing but greasy spots on the ground with bits of bone scattered around. ukraine may wind up having to build their own version of the douaumont ossuary after this war.
yes, this is one of the things state and private intelligence entities do. They comb through obituaries for example, VK posts, state of the cemeteries in military bases towns
The most likely overall Russian death toll is at around 20k. WIA is a really difficult story, with quite a few unironically returning to the fight afterwards (money, peer pressure, commander pressure etc.). Russian WIA, as in not participating anymore, is probably at around 40-50k. A very conservative estimate for refuseniks is at around 10-20k.
Also: >Likelyhood of cauldron: 3.25 / 10 >Likelyhood of 1-2k Russians surrounded: 0 / 10.
If there is an actual cauldron, we're looking at a very few hundred at most.
Fuat is a really poor source, Arestowych and some ukr osint guys talk about a 3/4 kotel with 1/4 under ukr fire. About 1k rupigs sizzling
https://wartranslated.com/day-148-july-21-summary-of-arestovych-and-feygin-daily-broadcast/
still doubt a brigade size unit got trapped in such a small area, ukraine is using a single brigade to defend siversk adequately and its quite a bit bigger than this, more likely a russian battalion ~800 men, probably end up like the oskil pocket for the russians where they finally close it and its a nothing burger, dont forget mariupol was a proper hard pocket and the russians netted a similiar number of POWs as what this could do potentially 2,000 vs 3000+ overall whilst being way bigger.
So what is the best course of action? Kill them all, allow them to withdrawal but leave all their equipment and weapons? Demand their unconditional surrender?
Of course you demand surrender. Not only do you get a nice picture of hundreds russhits surrendering at the same time but you also get some chips to trade your soldiers with.
Unconditional surrender. The Russian side has never respected any green corridors, including the ones for civilians, so they should never, ever be allowed one.
>what the hell is a green corridor
agreed upon safe passage from an encirclement >what does Ukraine get in return
probably nothing, hence they won't agree to it
You mongos are as moronic as vatniks.
There is no encirclement. The creator of this rumour has corrected himself already yesterday.
https://nitter.eu/DefMon3/status/1550436779664228355
https://nitter.eu/TpyxaNews/status/1550497069449838592
He then updated again saying it's possibly encircled, and nobody can confirm one or the other. Ukraine's MoD is saying it is surrounded, but we have to wait and see.
It's unlikely they have an encirclement but it's definitely an effective pincer movement.
If they do have an encirclement this late into the war, I'd be genuinely surprised.
Human shields.
I fully expect they'll just grab some local civilians and try to get out while blending in with them or declaring that they want a "humanitarian corridor" for noncombatants.
There is no pocket. Decently informed and level-headed Ukie sources (like VaeVictis TG channel) deny these claims. There may be some fire control over this puccian frontline bulge, but there is nothing dramatic about it. The amount of ru air sorties on this axis spiked like 5-fold.
No 'green corridor' was ever requested.
This stupid definition comes from Ilovaysk tragedy in 2014 when puccians reportedly allowed 'green corridor' for encircled ukies but wiggled the terms of passage a few times 'guns/no guns, vehicles/no vehicles, etc' just to buy enough time for proper ambush and revoke the said safe passage when ukies were on their way. Most UA troops following the 'green corridor' were slain or captured, those who saw it coming and diverted, were shelled with dozens of Uragan and Grad batteries, suffered horrific losses but anyhow managed to break through with whatever personnel alive and/or medevac-able, and a handful of light vehicles they had.
>wiggled the terms of passage a few times 'guns/no guns, vehicles/no vehicles, etc' just to buy enough time for proper ambush and revoke the said safe passage when ukies were on their way
No, the rebels were publically saying they need to leave their weapons to leave unmolested. They didn't. Then they got shot at when leaving. Go figure.
Nah, vatnikbro. Puccians made last minute changes to the exit route and ordered the volunteer bats to be left behind. That's when Ukies said frick it we go full battle ready. Black person.
Ukrainians live in a different reality. They never demanded volunteer batallions to stay behind. And this is why they got massacred, because they refuse to face facts. It was the same story as with Azovstal, claiming the Azovites were going to be evacuated to Ukrainian lines right after their surrender.
>Russian air activity has multiplied
To what effect? Are they being shot down because otherwise they might gain confidence to do actual air operations (if their logistics don't break down under pressure of actually doing their job).
Officially - there`s over 1000 troops in a 3/4 encirclement, including marines and VDV.
FYI that is a carbon copy of ILOVAISK tragedy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ilovaisk, when in 2014 a number of ukies got in the same predicament.
Russkie gays gave "a word of the officer" that the green corridor is granted - and then proceeded to shoot evacuating ukies point blank, resulting in some gnarly casualties.
Payback time, y`all!
Now katsaps will either lay down their guns and become POWs - and later be exchanged for ukies - or become one with the fertile ukrainian soil.
Here`s a song just for that occasion.
It goes something like: "You wanted my land - so now get mixed with it, become it, go to sleep"
Oh, did I mentioned that that`s NOT THE ONLY cauldron brewing in the south?
Yeah, LMAO rmemeber that glorious twitter victory where Ukraine forced the Russians back from Kiev? Whatever happened to that? Memoryholed by sheeple western israelite HATO /k/opers!
>win 1(one) battle >lose the war
By the end of the year they will lose half of their country and the rest will be bombed to shit, its like praising a stabbing victim for putting up a good fight before bleeding out, in the end they are dead af.
And the alternative is to lay down their arms and live as Russian slaves.
No death is preferable to slavery by subhuman Russians
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'd be fine if my country was ruled by Dutch or Norwegian, but russians are just baboons that love to be under the rule of a corrupt authoritarian leader, can't blame the Banderists for hating russia
The russian main effort in eastern Ukraine has managed to push back the ukies like 30 miles in 3 months of fighting, while losing ground to the north and south. What do you expect to happen in the next 5 months that will allow russia to gain any sort of momentum, let alone enough to capture half of the ukraine?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What do you expect to happen in the next 5 months that will allow russia to gain any sort of momentum
They couldn't supply a couple ten thousand soldiers around Kyiv, and the moment their shell warehouses blaze up their artillery fire subsides, which they should be thankful for because their barrels are losing their riffling, courtesy of 60,000 shells per day. Their new conscripts are sent to the front with double-digit hour counts of training, of which 4 days were apparently arse rape, they lost their flag ship against a country that doesn't even have a navy, and they're gutting washing machines for semiconductors. For every Russian citizen roll a 1D4 for each HIV, alcoholism, Tuberculosis, or Krokodil addiction, and if it's 1 they have it.
What the hell makes you think there is even _potential_ for momentum gain?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What the hell makes you think there is even _potential_ for momentum gain?
I was hoping vatshill would be come up with an unintentionally funny answer. Honestly though, when see the facts of the operation bare like that, it makes you wonder what the Russian bigwigs are planning right now. Do they think they can afford a multi year war of attrition or are they just hoping that the western forces will cave in and stop supporting the urkaine by the end of the year?
https://i.imgur.com/z9sHP5c.jpg
So we're basically headed to EW (extinct in the wild)
The world will be a sadder place without the striped bungler being able to migrate from its airfields to wherever it chose to breed with conscript mates
Seeing the VDV go extinct is kind of bitter-sweet, because even though the vatnik schadenfreude makes my dick hard, the propaganda image of the VDV was one of the last cool things about post-USSR russia left.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>RAAAAAAH CONSCRIPOVICH BUSSY
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just realized these fancy fruits are completely shaved all over. Heh.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well they were sort of the last full time, not fricking around possibly trained troops in the entire military, so we all sort of expected some big things like we'd been taught in cold war doctrines of them being dropped in behind the lines so they could rip up supply lines and sabotage critical infrastructure.
Then some bonehead decided they should be motorised like every fricking other unit >ditch light infantry training from doctrine, everything is tank now >Company has less swinging dicks than the average NATO platoon >get surrounded in enemy territory sticking out like dogs balls >die
2 years ago
Anonymous
I dunno, from a rmchair general view, light mechanized infantry air dropping behind enemy lines and fricking shit up with their BMDs Red Dawn style is pretty cool. Its just a shame that cold war tactics (and probably wouldn't have ever worked) and equipment is so obsolete, even before you factor in Russian incompetence.
2 years ago
Anonymous
To be fair, their mechanized component was air transportable, so if they'd been used as intended to frick up supply lines, it still would have been effective, but instead they got stuck in a 'hold until relieved' role within range of enemy artillery. Turns out that doesn't work so well when you've got the functional equivalent of a Willey's Jeep with an autocannon as your heaviest piece of armor.
I'm sort of partial to the idea that if you're doing a drop, drop as many humans as possible so if you don't have a jeep with a support weapon on it, you're dropping another 30guys with a couple of launchers and in some places, dug in and with a little bit of support, light infantry is a real fricking b***h and a half to dig out of urban areas. Plus Russia has lots of very good machineguns of the light-heavy variety to make light armour go away and their later launchers do well against armour so its not like they're completely balls out in the breeze.
Course, being dunked into indian country with no air and your army playing grab-ass, out of fuel 500km away that was supposed to come help 4 days ago is a bit of a stretch for anyone to deal with!
Ah well, maybe a bit of a bad plan, bit of rubbish doctrine and some lack of training is mostly to blame. It was a cool idea though, just sort of didn't work in this case and circumstances
2 years ago
Anonymous
Digging in doesn't work that well as an air dropped unit if you're already in the backlines. That just means that the enemy can either ignore you by going around, or task your defeat to someone who's not limited by what can fit in a plane/helicopter. While it's not as effective in the modern era where everyone has uninterruptable communications to report where you are and are heading, plus aerial recon/spy sats keeping an eye on your movements, being able to cover fast distances very quickly is much more powerful a defensive tool, especially if your own recon can advise you of incoming major elements that you can maneuver around or away from. You're right that it didn't really matter anyway because the great Konvoy of Kiev was a shitshow, but don't discount the amount of utility that being mobile can bring.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In Afghan and Iraq I was mostly in light-motorised vehicles. We've got a couple of machineguns, heavy gun on a pintle and open tops all the way, you can cover a LOT of distance as the vehicle doesn't need to be super-armoured up or anything, just reliable, can cover a lot of range on its fuel and the rest you just sort of make up as you go. Throw some more ammo, rat-packs in the back, a Javelin or Gustav launcher if something decided to get real sporty with you and the rest is just prep, mission brief and training. So even if a lot of you die in some horrible accident or you're running around in bumfrick nowhere with everyone from the rocks to the locals hates your guts, you'll get by because everyone knows their shit.
Stuff like their BMD's and other air-dropped tracked vehicles just sort of strikes me as being a bit of an awful compromise between not very good mobility, high upkeep for repairs and shorter ranged, whereas your wheely-boys can go a long way, maintained by swearing at it and save on a lot of tonnage getting dropped out of the bird. They would most definitely have a place in some environments where wheeled vehicles aren't great or you need a roof over your head, but not always. A lot of Ukraine is paved roads or at worst, unsurfaced roads and none of them were going off their MSR's anyway because land-nav wasn't apparently a priority for their officers 🙂
Sort of the right tools for the job in vehicles
2 years ago
Anonymous
Given how many tracked vehicles Russia lost to Ukranian mud in the opening days, I'd probably feel better if I was rolling around in a BMD then Russian built Humvee, even with the weight difference. The bigger guns on them would also be very handy for destroying logistic convoys and other targets of opportunity, whereas a superlight wheeled platform isn't going to be mounting something as effective at material destruction, especially at range.
2 years ago
Anonymous
To be fair, their mechanized component was air transportable, so if they'd been used as intended to frick up supply lines, it still would have been effective, but instead they got stuck in a 'hold until relieved' role within range of enemy artillery. Turns out that doesn't work so well when you've got the functional equivalent of a Willey's Jeep with an autocannon as your heaviest piece of armor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>are they just hoping that the western forces will cave in and stop supporting the urkaine by the end of the year?
That's what they are betting on, that's why they are fricking with the gas supply
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think the plan is to capture the entire territory of Donbass, and then to bribe Western officials so that they will pressure Urkaina to recognize already captured territories as Russians. And this plan is very likely to happen, 100% that France, Germany and Italy will support it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The problem with that plan is that the EU has zero leverage over the Ukraine, due to the EU leadership (germany in particular) being traitors who've consistently feigned support of the the Ukraine, while undermining them and not fulfilling promises.
The USA and UK are the ones propping up the Ukraine and both have a strong interest in seeing the EU weakened and Russia destroyed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think the plan is to capture the entire territory of Donbass, and then to bribe Western officials so that they will pressure Urkaina to recognize already captured territories as Russians. And this plan is very likely to happen, 100% that France, Germany and Italy will support it.
The most important countries for the ukrainian war effort are:
USA
Poland
UK
France and germany can be helpful/unhelpful but it won't make or brake the war
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dunno if they want the EU weakened, but its obviously time for the EU to wake up and sniff the air on what's up when it comes to their supply lines. They've been fricking around for decades laughing at Bongs and Burgers running around the middle east securing supplies of petro or diversifying their options closer to home to make sure the tap stays on. >Having a single source of energy close by is all great >Until it isn't and starts huge fricking wars next door >Then threatens to nuke everyone if not pay rouble
So that's their wake up call to be adults, put on their man pants and quit fricking around like its pre-school. You want security? You make it by stomping on someone's wiener when they start messing with your shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Dunno if they want the EU weakened >While Secretary General, Ismay is also credited as having been the first person to say that the purpose of NATO was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down," a saying that has since become a common way to quickly describe the alliance. >and the Germans down >Sir Hastings Lionel Ismay, 1st Baron Ismay (a British)
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess most EU counts are well aware of that even population itself is tho you can't really do anything about it and until now it was not even that bad at least compared to how bad it could be.
Issue at least in my eyes is US started lagging and rest of the world catching up with development, standard of living and US govt is becoming increasingly nervous and erratic. US really needs to massively invest in education of it's population to produce world class scientific and engineers and keep tech/development gap with rest of the world large enough instead of playing stupid tariffs, sanctions and bans games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Europeans are not represented in the US congress. No representation? Colonial injustice. Either give representation or frick off from Europe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>US really needs to massively invest in education of it's population to produce world class scientific and engineers
Why? The US doesn't need the world, but the world needs the US.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why? The US doesn't need the world, but the world needs the US.
do americans really believe that BS? its the other way around
2 years ago
Anonymous
not really, USA could be a 100% autarchy if there was a will for it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but at the same time slashing down your GDPs by at least 25%
2 years ago
Anonymous
Less than 10%. At least 15% is within NAFTA, that is, Canada and Mexico.
2 years ago
Anonymous
US prosperity is based on its global dominance. Living standard hit would be much higher in US than in the rest of the world it that would not be the case anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>US prosperity is based on its global dominance
Noooooo? The biggest chunk of arable land with the worlds most interconnected waterways, the Mississippi delta; shale oil and gas out the wazoo; and a decent demographic. The US doesn't need the world.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well ok, it's what republicans are preaching these days, I'm ok with that since I really dislike biden/hillary globohomosexual agenda.
Don't know if it's true tho so best luck to you, we'll see.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Republicians/democrats aren't really labels right now. Ever since Trump both parties have been thrown into a process of soul searching that is likely to continue for the next four to six years. Just as an example: >the business and national security communities have been kicked out of the Republican party, and instead the populists are now rekindling the fires of January 6th >meanwhile the democrats realize that the homosexuals, the lefties, and the blacks all have very different opinions on the definition of civil rights >and America is shocked to discover that Mexican immigrants, once their family has been relocated as well, are really *against* further immigration and want the borders closed
The only thing that seems iron-clad to me thus far is that Republicans are predominantly anti-vaxxers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Democrats >Soul-searching
Leh-mao. They've quadrupled down.
Repubs are sort of doing it though. The neo-con/populist split.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then I challenge you to come up with a better term than "voting group reshuffling".
2 years ago
Anonymous
No groups are changing hands though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've JUST outlined that the business community is homeless right now, and the national security people are now democrats, courtesy of Hillary Clinton. Just because you're not paying attention doesn't mean it's not happening.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Republicans are predominantly anti-vaxxers.
wait blacks are switching to the republicans?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>do americans really believe that BS?
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Number of Foreign-Born Residents (Immigrants) - United Nations 2020: >№1 - United States — 50.6 million
Suck murican dick, vatnik.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>vatnik
pls understand, vatnik is not derogatory term to russians, they're kinda proud of it so it's strange to see it used in that context. It's no the same as calling ukrainians hohols. >"Grandpa vatnik and I ratnik"...
2 years ago
Anonymous
OK, Vatnik.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>vatnik is not derogatory term to russians >It's no the same as calling ukrainians hohols.
Yep, that's vatnik cope. Post your salary, olgin troll.
No man, ruskies call themselves vatniks. Idk mabye it's the same as Black person thing in burgerland, maybe it's derogatory when someone else says it.
pic related, trans is like "grandpa vantnik, grandson warrior" or something like that, it rimes nicely in russian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No man, ruskies call themselves vatniks as form of coping
Ok vatnik.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OK, Vatnik.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're confused anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you only knew how worried we are right now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>vatnik is not derogatory term to russians >It's no the same as calling ukrainians hohols.
Yep, that's vatnik cope. Post your salary, olgin troll.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>keep the Russians tanks out is le bad
I think it's time to throw Germany out of NATO and say that now Russia can do whatever it wants with it as an example for others.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Walk the walk, yank
You and Russians are cut from the same cloth (both are ~~*US*~~s)
Always threatening shit but never actually do it
Did you forget about the time when Biden called Saudi Arabia a "pariah state"? Like lol, Americans are full of rich, amnesiac degenerates
2 years ago
Anonymous
>shitskin arab
Opinion - discarded.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its an archaic 70 year old opinion from a man who spent a lot of years fighting the Germans in WW2, course he's going to have a bias. That and I think he said it in the early 50's when they'd barely taken down the ropes from hanging a frickload of nazis. If you've never served in a conflict, then its probably a little hard for you to understand after you emerge from a war without some kind of prejudices and similar thoughts about the former enemy.
I mean, most Romans have a few choice words for zee germans too, but they're hardly relevant now either
2 years ago
Anonymous
That would pretty much be the end of the NATO alliance, then. If the Europeans are unwilling to support the US in their effort to sustain Ukraine as an independent entity, then why the frick are the US in NATO in the first place?
And once that happens you can kiss the European economy goodbye. Their demographies are also pretty bad (albeit not as catastrophically bad as Russia's or China's are), so they must export. Export requires protection of sea lanes, because otherwise you go back to the Golden Age of Buccaneers of the 18th century, where you either had to have a strong navy, or were simply left out - and that's not even assuming that states would engage in state-sponsored pirating.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That would pretty much be the end of the NATO alliance, then.
Well, I think politicians will not arrange the end of NATO over Ukraine. At least that's what Kremlin is counting on because that's how they see the world - agreements don't mean anything, the main thing is power and income.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Well, I think politicians will not arrange the end of NATO over Ukraine
The US already had one food out the door when Biden took over, and in terms of international relations almost all Trump-era policies are still in place. For the US NATO isn't about economies, but about its members absorbing Soviet/Russian ammunition, but if it turns out that they can't even do that, then why should the US still provide the security guarantees that they have since WWII?
>inb4 if it hurts the Europeans it's gonna hurt the US, too
The American economy is the least internationally involved economy by percentage of GDP, and the stuff that's left is mostly within NAFTA. The US has trade agreements with Japan, Korea, and the UK, and that's enough.
Meanwhile the Euros have a raging moron at their borders and no means to protect their exports. Same with China. You place two destroyers in the Straight of Hormuz, and within 3 months power goes out in China, and within 12 months they have an outright famine.
Which is why Scholz's appeasement politics might save Russian energy for Germany, but what good does it to them when they can't export the shit they're producing?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but if it turns out that they can't even do that, then why should the US still provide the security guarantees that they have since WWII?
Tradition/economics? Fear of showing alliance breakdown in the front of China/Russia? In any case, you forget that the public's perception of the situation matters, and I very much doubt that Biden will be able to persuade ordinary Joe to get out of his comfort zone and end NATO over some little-known country that he can't even find on a map.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tradition/economics?
Tradition? Haha.
Economics? >The American economy is the least internationally involved economy by percentage of GDP
You didn't even read the post, didn't you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Simpler than that. The USA needs to project power for the same reason early and mid Rome did - because the world is full of belligerent morons so you need allies around your borders.
The mistake Rome made was regularly absorbing those allies into Rome proper instead of keeping them as border marches.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The USA needs to project power for the same reason early and mid Rome did - because the world is full of belligerent morons so you need allies around your borders.
They don't, though. Ocean moats to either side, forest and lakes to the north, and desert and mountains to the south. American mainland is *stupidly* secure. They don't need to project anything ... even their oil and gas is produced domestically.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I like how Nova Scotia is different enough to be labeled "Temperate Cool", yet L.A and Boston are both simply "Temperate".
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's one thing you haven't considered. Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia. Fricking with Russia has never been such a popular opinion. Scholz perceived softness on Russia is hardening into the Germans viewing him as a no shit traitor (apart from homosexual Ossis) and is very likely to bring him and his party down.
The bloodlust of the Greater European has been aroused, and this formerly cuddly animal will have it's due measure of malapert blood and woe anyone who gets in their way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Scholz perceived softness on Russia is hardening into the Germans viewing him as a no shit traitor
Am German, can confirm. Have been calling him a Russian submarine for the last couple months, and people agree with me here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
idk, from an outsider perspective Scholz appear to be deathly afraid of gas shortages impacting german industry. are you germans willing to sacrifice some of your industrial product for the greater cause?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I am, but I also don't work in heavy industry.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia. >Italy
Think again.
https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/italy-support-russia
2 years ago
Anonymous
Italy was infiltrated by commie cells during Cold War, the 5th column is deeply rooted in Italy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The article just say they give a small time for Zarakhova b***h to speak in the news. BBC did it too for Lavrov.
Time for Germany to start occupying Italy then, I suppose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's also Hungary, Croatia is also kinda skeptical about true nature of the war and butthurt by nato not giving a frick about 5 tonne Russian drone crashing on the capital.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'd pay money to see Germany tell Serbia that it's OK invading the Balkans, then - just to see the Croatian and Hungarian reactions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm from Croatia and we're ok with that since Croatia itself is ethnically cleansed so no issues there. Kosovo is Serbia after all and Bosnia while I don't support the idea since I hate Bosnia many people on both sides would like to see country split between Croatia and Serbia. You don't understand shit about ex-yu anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not really, old Europe is skeptical about all this and feels US is fricking up EU with that shit in Ukraine. Only counts that are 100% on board with US on that are ex Warsaw pact counts which are always swinging how wind blows.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Riiiiight - because it's the US that attacked Ukraine, and not Russia. >t. Michael Micholvsky from Brandenburg Oblast
2 years ago
Anonymous
No one cares. Life if not fair. EU has it's own financial and corporate interests which are taking insane hit now in the name of democrats biden/hillary globohomosexual agenda.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Those won't go away even if Russia keeps supplying Germany with gas, because if Russia wins it's breasts up for German exports because the US are out of the game and the EU can't protect their sea lanes.
You better get used to eat dirt.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>EU can't protect their sea lanes.
From who, Somali pirates? I find it much realistic US starting torpedoing EU ships if whole EU slips out of burger control and start behaving like independent entity China style.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>From who, Somali pirates?
Everyone. Again, the EU will have problems even if the US do absolutely nothing. But if they decide to actively encourage piracy ...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>EU has it's own financial and corporate interests
You are a right, vatnik, and the number one interest now is to weaken the Russian army so much that it will not be able to attack Poland and Baltics in the future. The bone of contention is whether to keep Putin in his place or to destroy the regime completely.
2 years ago
Anonymous
no one cares about russia, it's regional economy that is not even global player out of raw energy.
what it comes down to is that airbus can't be bigger than boeing and vw can't be bigger than gm. that's where real money and interests are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
War in Ukraine will fix this pie chart in few short years with help of internal to EU saboteurs like Polaks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
if it's a Boeing I ain't a going. They really fricked their reputation by penny pinching and going all in for diversity
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are not an EU citizen and never will
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia
This is a lie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not really, old Europe is skeptical about all this and feels US is fricking up EU with that shit in Ukraine. Only counts that are 100% on board with US on that are ex Warsaw pact counts which are always swinging how wind blows.
>Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia. >Italy
Think again.
https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/italy-support-russia
>L-lies, everyone loves holy Russia and despises HATO and United States of Satan!
Guess I'll post it again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And stay out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/FgEJRZG.png
And stay out.
Calling your bullshit on "Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia" means we claim everyone loves Russia?
Sounds fun living in your head, schizo moron.
Nice graph showing that, indeed, there's no country in which "100% of the public opinion is against Russia".
Liars caught pants down deflecting and strawmanning, typical, I'd almost call you a falseflagging vatnik.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not 100% but a lot more yes. In France only far right and far left hidden commies are pro rasha now, even if they hide it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lmao. The spineless germs can do nothing. It's actually pretty pathetic that their politicians still have not got the message that if russia wins here it is unironically over for the eu.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Brit, Yank, or Butthurt Belter?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think they still haven't realised that without exports Germany is over. If they wanted to no longer rely on American protection they should've started building a blue-water navy ten years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You do know why Germany is still weak right now right? Because the country was designed that way. The Americans and the Russians don't want Germany to be strong again. They're afraid of a strong, independent Europe led by Germany, because it would make them look like uncivilised barbarians from the 20th century.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You do know why Germany is still weak right now right?
Define "weak". Economically? Certainly not, although it's vulnerable.
Militarily? Also not really, at least not during the Cold War, because we all knew that Germany was going to be the battlefield in case of a change of temperature.
>independent >led by Germany
You're contradicting yourself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aw shit, here we go again. Again butthurt Fritz blame others for his own mistakes. Germans is weak because take as a given that the big daddy USA will protect them, so they are used to transferring the maintenance of a combat-ready army to NATO, while they themselves were saving money and spending on something else. Frick off, parasites.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>take as a given that the big daddy USA will protect them
They're like occupied by US, how they feel and what they think about it is irrelevant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok chink. Now tell me how it happened that chinks run to Western Internet resources en masse, while no one wants to visit Chinese ones?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because you people don't speak Chinese while Chinese speak English?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Chinese speak English >doesn't correlate with previously known facts
2 years ago
Anonymous
Since the mid 90s English is mandatory 2nd language taught in chink schools. If you're groomed into success of course you'll learn at least one additional language like russian or japanese.
My parents had high hopes for me so I've learned english, french in elementary, german, italian in highschool and technical english at uni. They would have never dreamed that I'll end up with you losers here, shitty east euro slavs and poverty crippled burgers kek. dad are you seeing this shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine being so far gone you start taking to your dad on PrepHole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, he's also dead
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sorry to hear it, he was probably a good guy. Too bad he gave birth to an attention starved homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Since the mid 90s English is mandatory 2nd language taught in chink schools
That explains a lot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That got shut down in 2021, no foreign devil tutors allowed. From the Chinese I've known with some kind of English skills, they're about on par with the Japanese who still get taught it all through high school and end up completely fricking rubbish at it after 5-7 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wish I had someone from the UK or the US come into my classroom and teach me how to speak English properly. I had to learn that from GTA games. >yes, I'm an ESL, and most of you homosexuals'd think I'm a native speaker
Back on topic: the Japanese have all the advantages one could think of, so why is it that they're still just so fricking bad at it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mind you, when I worked in CN I just had a terp who handled all the language difficulties because frankly I couldn't be fricked with Cantonese or Mandarin, let alone all the chicken scratches. But you'll still get people with a smattering of English keen to try it out on your poor unsuspecting arse, just as they will in Japan and it really is that lack of fluent, casual conversation that basically they never get because there simply is no one outside of the academic background you can really chat to.
The Japanese are more polite about it, but they're still shit 🙂 >my wife speak more JP than I do, all mine is good for is starting fights and insulting cultural niceties
Most fun ESL I've come across is in India, which for the most part has a fairly solid English education system dating back to the 1800's.
But, it is literally Victorian English so the syntax and sentence structure is all fricked up and you end up having to do some 5D computational interpretation trying to figure out if its English, but its all back to front. >Literally the stuff like "do the needful sir" is actually Victorian English
2 years ago
Anonymous
You'd think that with the internet being a thing and all Japanese people would have a lot more contact with the outside world. Some years ago I saw a video of some Japanese guy reading PrepHole threads to himself in order to learn English - with rather marginal success, I should add: >What was he thinking? >"He was thinking ... what!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
A lot of those little apps you can get on phones now are also probably a very good way of learning a language, mostly because its something even the most socially fricked up of us can do by ourselves and there's just enough fast and loose interpretation to sort of get you by in casual conversation. Technically I know enough in Spanish to be technically literate in it, but its been 30 years since I had anyone to talk to in Spanish, same with Indonesian, I'm formally educated in it, but there's no one to speak to in it. Add in a smattering of Hindi, Pashtun, Arabic, Russian, Ukranian, Japanese, Mandarin, Tok Pisin and some of the more choice swearing in Italian- all done with a very crude, knuckle dragging Australian accent and we'll be fighting in no time as I manage to grossly offend just about anyone.
(Plus if its not in an Anglicised written language I'm completely fricked there)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Japanese culture is still big enough and insular enough that they aren't forced to use Western (English speaking) websites for everything, in both their entertainment and their professional lives. You also have the fact that Asian languages and English are pretty much on the opposite ends of the spectrum of linguistics, so they are fighting an uphill battle, and that's compounded by how fricked the Japanese writing system is that they're still learning new vocab in highschool which means they spend time not on English. However, Japan as a country is in the process of giving up on Japanese to an extant, which is why they make massive usage of English loanwords and punctuation marks, but they're also so insular that they don't realize that many of those words are loanwords.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's right, no one wants to learn the language of shitskins, everyone is learning the prestigious language of white people. It was, is and always will be because no one is interested in the language of Chinese slaves, everyone wants to be like their owners, everyone wants to be white.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why might that be?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also out of all euro nations Germans really feel odd and borderline autistic, would not like them to have absolute dominance over Europe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think that this is a sign of Western decadence, the majority of the population and elites are used to living in security, and take it as a given, that this peace is based on strength and that the satus of the strong must be maintained is beyond their understanding because they do not even want to understand it and live only in present day without plans for tomorrow.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>of which 4 days were apparently arse rape
Even in the middle of a war Russia must guarantee it?!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Assrape is more integral to the russian training than an AK handling or first aid
Some things you just can't compromise on
>inb4 we don't NEED to not lose troops in the south >inb4 we can always send more Krokodil- and alcohol-addicted, HIV- and Tuberculosis-addled, poorly educated and trained Tuvans to the front >inb4 Russian consequences will never be the same
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ilovaisk >DPR prime minister Alexander Zakharchenko confirmed that an agreement had been made, and also said that Ukrainian forces were required to leave their armoured vehicles
>The northern column, commanded by General Ruslan Khomchak, consisted of forces of the 17th Tank Brigade, 51st Mechanized Brigade and police units; it had four tanks, several IFVs and approximately 1000 troops
>At the village of Oleksandrivka, two T-72BAs and an IFV of the Russian 21st Motor Rifle Brigade were destroyed in a clash with Ukrainian forces.
sounds like moronic hohols to me
So we're basically headed to EW (extinct in the wild)
The world will be a sadder place without the striped bungler being able to migrate from its airfields to wherever it chose to breed with conscript mates
Bong O'Clock but instead of military intel it's just Attenborough-esque concern for the VDV >This one is barely out of training >Clearly underprepared, he must make the jump alone >But the Hohols await him eagerly >[Blyaaaat] as screen pans to background
oh and russia attacked Odessa just one day after they made an agreement about grain exports
"russia evil empire that never respects agreements" - Dzhokhar Dudayev
theres no reasoning with russian politicians, russia will never keep its word, the only way to secure long lasting peace is by completely mauling the russian army to such degree, that even if putin, or whoever comes next tries to violate any peace treaty or ceasefire, the russian army would be completely incapable of doing anything
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/23/world/europe/ukraine-russia-odesa-grain-attack.html >Russia may not have technically violated the grain deal, since it did not pledge to avoid attacking the parts of the Ukrainian ports that are not directly used for the grain exports, according to a senior U.N. official. If there were military targets nearby, Russia may have been trying to exploit a loophole, a practice that has become increasingly common over the course of the war.
lol
lmao
>Russian forces had fired four Kalibr cruise missiles at Odesa >Two rockets were shot down by air defense forces, two hit port infrastructure facilities >Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, said that Russian strikes had caused 10 explosions in Odesa
Secondary grain explosions are no joke, must have been corn.
This account is fricking bullshit. It is pretty much the same as orthodox amerifats who stay on twitter 24.7 defending russia, filled with bullshit and questionable stories
Destroys the cables, makes it so heavy vehicles can't use the bridge. Soviets designed bridges to barely support their 40 ton tanks but unable to support 50 ton western tanks. Even a little damage makes it so these bridges can't support their tanks.
>2015-2016: Russians let encircled rebels out via green buses to avoid drawn-out sieges >2022: Russians now asking to be greenbused themselves
how the mighty have fallen
>Same crew behind the Snake Island retreat team put together the second well-thought out Russian strike package in the entire war >A-50 Mainstay AWACS plane mistaken for civilian airliner and domed by S-400
Those old IL76's can have some exiting lives >Be Iraq, start shit, get hit >Send IL76 to Iran to stop it being blown up >War ends, can I has it back? >Iran: No >Please? >Nope, mine now
>Iran proceeds to kludge an AWACS suite on top, just like real countries do >Be all modern and shit in 2009 >look I did a thing! >Flying in formation, F15 getting kind of too close >Boop! >everyone dies
Send TU-95 to carpet-bomb 100m wide clearing through the blocks and just level everything to the ground.
Then send another TU-95 loaded with asphalt to make 8 line highway out of it.
Isn't that guy so moronic as to be under suspicion of false-flagging?
I've yet to see his face attached to anything else but ridiculous hot takes or blatant fabrications that no western or open-source poster supports.
Here again, he takes something mentioned as a distant possibility by others and runs away with it as if his sole purpose is to discredit the original sources.
yes, but it has been partially corroborated by arestovych
3/4 cauldron, about 1k ruspigs
https://wartranslated.com/day-149-july-22-summary-of-arestovych-and-feygin-daily-broadcast/
>Fuat >Whoaaaaa Ukraine encircled 3 full BTGs in a village
Fastforward >Akshually they're not really encircled >Akshually it's less than half that number
>1. Keep Europe united >part of the world known for its warmongering
Good luck, without strong oppressor like USA, I guarantee that Europe will start another world war. It's in their genes.
hope you're wrong but current European situation being basically controlled by US is their own fault by fricking themselves up with prior constant wars. Still paying price for it 80 years later.
There wouldn't even be a war in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO still being around after 1991
If anything the elite in Europe are too afraid of conflicts. There should've been a swift intervention to prevent the Yugoslav wars. There should've been a forceful demand to disband NATO, to pressure Russia, and so on. Instead, it's appeasement, appeasement, and more appeasement.
we don't know what would russia do in the absence of NATO
but their entire history is one of imperial conquest and their population is buck broken and worships strongmen
So yeah, USA influenced europe is still miles better than russian one
>There wouldn't even be a war in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO still being around after 1991.
True, the war right now would be in the Balkan region, where Slava Poccia is liberating their Serbian bretheren by realising Greater Serbia (as a Republic of the Russian Federation). This move is strongly supported by the Georgian autonomous republic, Severo-Kazakhstan and the Baltic Oblast.
Yes, that's my second point which kind of illustrates that Europe wasn't ready (and still to this day) for withdrawing from NATO, because people can't seem to unite and form a European army that is fully independent from the US.
Serbia/Yugo was like totally pro-us/pro-west and hated east euros and warsaw pacters, us should have just waited out couple of years for their then president to burn out naturally but some frickup in cia was impatient and now US ended with fricking russian enclave in the middle of the balkans because serbs are as salty about the nato bombing as polaks are about soviets raping them for 40 years.
>There wouldn't even be a war in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO still being around after 1991 >Russia - we are attacking Ukraine so that it does not join NATO >also Russia - we will not attack Finland and Sweden because they are already under the protection of NATO
Ok moron.
>There should've been a swift intervention to prevent the Yugoslav wars
And how would you do that? In practical terms I mean. Force them to stay together? Give each some land, but then the Serbs lived all over, would they get the most? Or would you force nation-mixing again, except in smaller states? But then how would that work if they didn't want to live together in the first place?
I agree with all of these things, but Europe can seem to get its shit together when it comes to the military. America has a ridiculously bloated military budget but it does seem to come in handy now and again
it always was very low iq board with posters crippled by poverty but it became cringe when east euro redditors lost war on PrepHole and /misc/ and did tactical retreat to /k/ which is now new home for them despite being noguns.
Right now, I agree, but this isn't surprising because the new world order was entirely designed by the United States. It'd be utterly irresponsible for them to make the rules, force people to obey them, without actually enforcing them or anything.
I think that after seeing their son die, they'd rather double down on the whole "anti-fascism" narrative than admit that he died for an unjust cause. Like you have to imagine, if in some alternate timeline where their child avoided getting sent to Ukraine, would they, at least subconsciously, think "Thank God, they didn't sent you into that meat grinder".
okay you slavic people need to just stop with the fricking cauldron shit already. you can win wars WITHOUT it. they're really more trouble than their worth.
new update >Ukraine now controls and has moved past the T2207, which was presumed to be still under Russian control >6km wide gap to escape >the gap is all flatland
the only reasonable way to escape is to move at night, but that requires abandoning all equipment and weapons
https://nitter.net/DefMon3/status/1550808065510875139
Hey, remember when the Russian Army would "open humanitarian corridors" for civilians to escape through....and then bombed the living shit out of anyone who tried to use them?
>Hey, remember when the Russian Army would "open humanitarian corridors" for civilians to escape through....and then bombed the living shit out of anyone who tried to use them?
No.
I remember Ukraine claiming it happened while providing zero evidence.
Just like they now claim there's an encirclement.
>twitter thread
Again, it was annoying with Rusgays did this with every battle and each time it turned into a nothingburger. Don't also start doing it for every Ukrainian advance.
In my heart those Russian dogs are encircled and will always be encircled
>2k soldiers
>in a pocket that size
>not even a source
Anon use your brain
This. What is that supposed to be? 2,000 Russians in like a block?
It's a small town.
Also, it's likely fake.
Orgy pile. Use your anus.
they were all caught with single goat
A village, 1km by 2km in size.
This is the consequence of Russia's paper battalions. 'This tactical group as 1,000 men on paper, so does this; so we've pocketed 2,000!'
When really, it's probably just about 200 and perhaps a few more ancillaries.
The average high school can fit 2k students. I'm sure a single block in a city can do the same
>Anon use your brain
>10 nato generals and 100 SAS soldiers died when trying to retake snake island
>no need to use my brain on this one, nato bfto chugsisters
tb2
>hohol twitter encirclement
lmao, a new low for /k/
>one russian posts obvious bullshit from twitter
>zero people believe it
>"why is /k/ so gullible"
It's a shame you exist
yo look at the other threads on this frick....
the shit is this? fricking entiere board bought out by zogbots? tabarnak....
Someone fire this moron, he can barely speak english.
is this one of them falseflags i keep hearing about?
Actually I heard there was an entire infantry division hold up in that apartment building. Putin needs to do something quick
>Actually I heard there was an entire infantry division hold up in that apartment building.
shell it until everyone is dead
on the scale from 1 to 10, how accurate do you think are those numbers?
imo about 7, we've seen claims from Girkin and Murz about massive losses in separatist cannon fodder and rusnigs also lost all the momentum after a phyrric victory in lysychansk
I wouldn't think a village that size could even sustain a garrison over a few hundred. Even if you've got a rifle in every window, how many windows are in a town with two dozen buildings?
On the other hand, RuAF are moronic, maybe an entire logistics unit didn't get the message to retreat and is stuck there alone.
>I wouldn't think a village that size could even sustain a garrison over a few hundred. Even if you've got a rifle in every window, how many windows are in a town with two dozen buildings?
That ain't really how it works. Pressure causes troops in outlying areas to retreat backwards towards the main supply lines, so that large numbers of troops end up in tiny little towns. I'm not saying this has happened, but if it did that's what happened, not that they packed a large garrison into a small village.
It is also logical for Russians to first collapse together along the frontlines, if they retreat before reaching a critical mass they could get shot by their morale corps.
a lot of those missing soldiers are nothing but greasy spots on the ground with bits of bone scattered around. ukraine may wind up having to build their own version of the douaumont ossuary after this war.
I would rate the possibility of a pocket at 5/10 and possibility of there being 2k soldiers at around 1.5/10
>Moscow times reports
/k/opers never change
>US military combs twitter and PrepHole for photos of dead vatnik
I don't know how to feel about this.
yes, this is one of the things state and private intelligence entities do. They comb through obituaries for example, VK posts, state of the cemeteries in military bases towns
The most likely overall Russian death toll is at around 20k. WIA is a really difficult story, with quite a few unironically returning to the fight afterwards (money, peer pressure, commander pressure etc.). Russian WIA, as in not participating anymore, is probably at around 40-50k. A very conservative estimate for refuseniks is at around 10-20k.
Also:
>Likelyhood of cauldron: 3.25 / 10
>Likelyhood of 1-2k Russians surrounded: 0 / 10.
If there is an actual cauldron, we're looking at a very few hundred at most.
Zelensky himself has pocketed 30,000 RU troops in a Big Pocket supermarket
Source: Valeryi Pidor
I believe it.
Fuat is a really poor source, Arestowych and some ukr osint guys talk about a 3/4 kotel with 1/4 under ukr fire. About 1k rupigs sizzling
https://wartranslated.com/day-148-july-21-summary-of-arestovych-and-feygin-daily-broadcast/
>2000 people in a pocket the size of a village
Come on. This is like Vatniks claiming they surrounded 20k NATO generals in Mariupol.
>village
town turned strong point, 4.5k+ ppl before war
still doubt a brigade size unit got trapped in such a small area, ukraine is using a single brigade to defend siversk adequately and its quite a bit bigger than this, more likely a russian battalion ~800 men, probably end up like the oskil pocket for the russians where they finally close it and its a nothing burger, dont forget mariupol was a proper hard pocket and the russians netted a similiar number of POWs as what this could do potentially 2,000 vs 3000+ overall whilst being way bigger.
I actually don't believe in 2k figure, Fuat isn't reliable at all. The probable number is 1 BTG
will it turn into russian mariupol?
No, you'll get second mariupol if ukrs cut off nova kahovka dam and rus decide to stand their ground in Kherson
Why would they care enough not to surrender immediately?
No banan if surrender
A ladle.
URAAAAAAAAAAA
>2000
It's 1000
So what is the best course of action? Kill them all, allow them to withdrawal but leave all their equipment and weapons? Demand their unconditional surrender?
>Demand their unconditional surrender?
Obviously this
Ukraine's has no obligation to let them go if they don't surrender.
Request surrender, demolish them with artillery if they refuse
Of course you demand surrender. Not only do you get a nice picture of hundreds russhits surrendering at the same time but you also get some chips to trade your soldiers with.
Sun Zu says to always give them a route out
>Sun Zu says to always give them a route out
you completely missed point of that quote.
>Sun Zu
Chyna has not won a single war in the last 700 years
That's not what that means.
They are gonna surrender.
Make them surrender, trade for Azov pow's.
Do what they did at Slovyansk. Offer them a corridor to leave and then fricking murder them as they leave.
Unconditional surrender. The Russian side has never respected any green corridors, including the ones for civilians, so they should never, ever be allowed one.
Slaughter.
Log off twitter.
This. It's 1k probably even less. It's just Arestovich being Arestovich doubling the numbers as usual.
what the hell is a green corridor and what does Ukraine get in return
>what the hell is a green corridor
agreed upon safe passage from an encirclement
>what does Ukraine get in return
probably nothing, hence they won't agree to it
I'd remand their foreskins.
if ukr agreed to let them go, it would be only to obliterate halfway through, since it's what russains did to ukrs in 2014
What?
>Green corridor? Price is 1000 foreskins.
I sometimes wonder why I do the things I do.
Still doubting this. I'd like it to be true, but I doubt it.
You mongos are as moronic as vatniks.
There is no encirclement. The creator of this rumour has corrected himself already yesterday.
https://nitter.eu/DefMon3/status/1550436779664228355
https://nitter.eu/TpyxaNews/status/1550497069449838592
He then updated again saying it's possibly encircled, and nobody can confirm one or the other. Ukraine's MoD is saying it is surrounded, but we have to wait and see.
Which guy?
If the facts are shaky it probably didn't happen
It's unlikely they have an encirclement but it's definitely an effective pincer movement.
If they do have an encirclement this late into the war, I'd be genuinely surprised.
Western ones.
Human shields.
I fully expect they'll just grab some local civilians and try to get out while blending in with them or declaring that they want a "humanitarian corridor" for noncombatants.
Press backspace.
boots
There is no pocket. Decently informed and level-headed Ukie sources (like VaeVictis TG channel) deny these claims. There may be some fire control over this puccian frontline bulge, but there is nothing dramatic about it. The amount of ru air sorties on this axis spiked like 5-fold.
No 'green corridor' was ever requested.
This stupid definition comes from Ilovaysk tragedy in 2014 when puccians reportedly allowed 'green corridor' for encircled ukies but wiggled the terms of passage a few times 'guns/no guns, vehicles/no vehicles, etc' just to buy enough time for proper ambush and revoke the said safe passage when ukies were on their way. Most UA troops following the 'green corridor' were slain or captured, those who saw it coming and diverted, were shelled with dozens of Uragan and Grad batteries, suffered horrific losses but anyhow managed to break through with whatever personnel alive and/or medevac-able, and a handful of light vehicles they had.
>wiggled the terms of passage a few times 'guns/no guns, vehicles/no vehicles, etc' just to buy enough time for proper ambush and revoke the said safe passage when ukies were on their way
No, the rebels were publically saying they need to leave their weapons to leave unmolested. They didn't. Then they got shot at when leaving. Go figure.
Russia said that to the Chechens and bombed them anyway, problem is that trick only works once
Nah, vatnikbro. Puccians made last minute changes to the exit route and ordered the volunteer bats to be left behind. That's when Ukies said frick it we go full battle ready. Black person.
Ukrainians live in a different reality. They never demanded volunteer batallions to stay behind. And this is why they got massacred, because they refuse to face facts. It was the same story as with Azovstal, claiming the Azovites were going to be evacuated to Ukrainian lines right after their surrender.
And that's why when Vatniks cry about executed Russian conscripts they got what they deserved.
>Russian air activity has multiplied
To what effect? Are they being shot down because otherwise they might gain confidence to do actual air operations (if their logistics don't break down under pressure of actually doing their job).
White flag.
Officially - there`s over 1000 troops in a 3/4 encirclement, including marines and VDV.
FYI that is a carbon copy of ILOVAISK tragedy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ilovaisk, when in 2014 a number of ukies got in the same predicament.
Russkie gays gave "a word of the officer" that the green corridor is granted - and then proceeded to shoot evacuating ukies point blank, resulting in some gnarly casualties.
Payback time, y`all!
Now katsaps will either lay down their guns and become POWs - and later be exchanged for ukies - or become one with the fertile ukrainian soil.
Here`s a song just for that occasion.
It goes something like: "You wanted my land - so now get mixed with it, become it, go to sleep"
Oh, did I mentioned that that`s NOT THE ONLY cauldron brewing in the south?
there is no cauldron outside of twitter lol
>there is no cauldron
according to the same vatnik shils that gave been saying the war is over since February
This lol. Soon there will be no ukraine outside of twitter.
Yeah, LMAO rmemeber that glorious twitter victory where Ukraine forced the Russians back from Kiev? Whatever happened to that? Memoryholed by sheeple western israelite HATO /k/opers!
>win 1(one) battle
>lose the war
By the end of the year they will lose half of their country and the rest will be bombed to shit, its like praising a stabbing victim for putting up a good fight before bleeding out, in the end they are dead af.
Ukranians will only stop fighting if America stop helping them.
And the alternative is to lay down their arms and live as Russian slaves.
No death is preferable to slavery by subhuman Russians
I'd be fine if my country was ruled by Dutch or Norwegian, but russians are just baboons that love to be under the rule of a corrupt authoritarian leader, can't blame the Banderists for hating russia
>ONLY THREE DAYS
Don't you yourself get tired of your Vatnik cope? Because I sure as hell do.
The russian main effort in eastern Ukraine has managed to push back the ukies like 30 miles in 3 months of fighting, while losing ground to the north and south. What do you expect to happen in the next 5 months that will allow russia to gain any sort of momentum, let alone enough to capture half of the ukraine?
>What do you expect to happen in the next 5 months that will allow russia to gain any sort of momentum
They couldn't supply a couple ten thousand soldiers around Kyiv, and the moment their shell warehouses blaze up their artillery fire subsides, which they should be thankful for because their barrels are losing their riffling, courtesy of 60,000 shells per day. Their new conscripts are sent to the front with double-digit hour counts of training, of which 4 days were apparently arse rape, they lost their flag ship against a country that doesn't even have a navy, and they're gutting washing machines for semiconductors. For every Russian citizen roll a 1D4 for each HIV, alcoholism, Tuberculosis, or Krokodil addiction, and if it's 1 they have it.
What the hell makes you think there is even _potential_ for momentum gain?
>What the hell makes you think there is even _potential_ for momentum gain?
I was hoping vatshill would be come up with an unintentionally funny answer. Honestly though, when see the facts of the operation bare like that, it makes you wonder what the Russian bigwigs are planning right now. Do they think they can afford a multi year war of attrition or are they just hoping that the western forces will cave in and stop supporting the urkaine by the end of the year?
Seeing the VDV go extinct is kind of bitter-sweet, because even though the vatnik schadenfreude makes my dick hard, the propaganda image of the VDV was one of the last cool things about post-USSR russia left.
>RAAAAAAH CONSCRIPOVICH BUSSY
Just realized these fancy fruits are completely shaved all over. Heh.
Well they were sort of the last full time, not fricking around possibly trained troops in the entire military, so we all sort of expected some big things like we'd been taught in cold war doctrines of them being dropped in behind the lines so they could rip up supply lines and sabotage critical infrastructure.
Then some bonehead decided they should be motorised like every fricking other unit
>ditch light infantry training from doctrine, everything is tank now
>Company has less swinging dicks than the average NATO platoon
>get surrounded in enemy territory sticking out like dogs balls
>die
I dunno, from a rmchair general view, light mechanized infantry air dropping behind enemy lines and fricking shit up with their BMDs Red Dawn style is pretty cool. Its just a shame that cold war tactics (and probably wouldn't have ever worked) and equipment is so obsolete, even before you factor in Russian incompetence.
I'm sort of partial to the idea that if you're doing a drop, drop as many humans as possible so if you don't have a jeep with a support weapon on it, you're dropping another 30guys with a couple of launchers and in some places, dug in and with a little bit of support, light infantry is a real fricking b***h and a half to dig out of urban areas. Plus Russia has lots of very good machineguns of the light-heavy variety to make light armour go away and their later launchers do well against armour so its not like they're completely balls out in the breeze.
Course, being dunked into indian country with no air and your army playing grab-ass, out of fuel 500km away that was supposed to come help 4 days ago is a bit of a stretch for anyone to deal with!
Ah well, maybe a bit of a bad plan, bit of rubbish doctrine and some lack of training is mostly to blame. It was a cool idea though, just sort of didn't work in this case and circumstances
Digging in doesn't work that well as an air dropped unit if you're already in the backlines. That just means that the enemy can either ignore you by going around, or task your defeat to someone who's not limited by what can fit in a plane/helicopter. While it's not as effective in the modern era where everyone has uninterruptable communications to report where you are and are heading, plus aerial recon/spy sats keeping an eye on your movements, being able to cover fast distances very quickly is much more powerful a defensive tool, especially if your own recon can advise you of incoming major elements that you can maneuver around or away from. You're right that it didn't really matter anyway because the great Konvoy of Kiev was a shitshow, but don't discount the amount of utility that being mobile can bring.
In Afghan and Iraq I was mostly in light-motorised vehicles. We've got a couple of machineguns, heavy gun on a pintle and open tops all the way, you can cover a LOT of distance as the vehicle doesn't need to be super-armoured up or anything, just reliable, can cover a lot of range on its fuel and the rest you just sort of make up as you go. Throw some more ammo, rat-packs in the back, a Javelin or Gustav launcher if something decided to get real sporty with you and the rest is just prep, mission brief and training. So even if a lot of you die in some horrible accident or you're running around in bumfrick nowhere with everyone from the rocks to the locals hates your guts, you'll get by because everyone knows their shit.
Stuff like their BMD's and other air-dropped tracked vehicles just sort of strikes me as being a bit of an awful compromise between not very good mobility, high upkeep for repairs and shorter ranged, whereas your wheely-boys can go a long way, maintained by swearing at it and save on a lot of tonnage getting dropped out of the bird. They would most definitely have a place in some environments where wheeled vehicles aren't great or you need a roof over your head, but not always. A lot of Ukraine is paved roads or at worst, unsurfaced roads and none of them were going off their MSR's anyway because land-nav wasn't apparently a priority for their officers 🙂
Sort of the right tools for the job in vehicles
Given how many tracked vehicles Russia lost to Ukranian mud in the opening days, I'd probably feel better if I was rolling around in a BMD then Russian built Humvee, even with the weight difference. The bigger guns on them would also be very handy for destroying logistic convoys and other targets of opportunity, whereas a superlight wheeled platform isn't going to be mounting something as effective at material destruction, especially at range.
To be fair, their mechanized component was air transportable, so if they'd been used as intended to frick up supply lines, it still would have been effective, but instead they got stuck in a 'hold until relieved' role within range of enemy artillery. Turns out that doesn't work so well when you've got the functional equivalent of a Willey's Jeep with an autocannon as your heaviest piece of armor.
>are they just hoping that the western forces will cave in and stop supporting the urkaine by the end of the year?
That's what they are betting on, that's why they are fricking with the gas supply
I think the plan is to capture the entire territory of Donbass, and then to bribe Western officials so that they will pressure Urkaina to recognize already captured territories as Russians. And this plan is very likely to happen, 100% that France, Germany and Italy will support it.
The problem with that plan is that the EU has zero leverage over the Ukraine, due to the EU leadership (germany in particular) being traitors who've consistently feigned support of the the Ukraine, while undermining them and not fulfilling promises.
The USA and UK are the ones propping up the Ukraine and both have a strong interest in seeing the EU weakened and Russia destroyed.
The most important countries for the ukrainian war effort are:
USA
Poland
UK
France and germany can be helpful/unhelpful but it won't make or brake the war
Dunno if they want the EU weakened, but its obviously time for the EU to wake up and sniff the air on what's up when it comes to their supply lines. They've been fricking around for decades laughing at Bongs and Burgers running around the middle east securing supplies of petro or diversifying their options closer to home to make sure the tap stays on.
>Having a single source of energy close by is all great
>Until it isn't and starts huge fricking wars next door
>Then threatens to nuke everyone if not pay rouble
So that's their wake up call to be adults, put on their man pants and quit fricking around like its pre-school. You want security? You make it by stomping on someone's wiener when they start messing with your shit.
>Dunno if they want the EU weakened
>While Secretary General, Ismay is also credited as having been the first person to say that the purpose of NATO was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down," a saying that has since become a common way to quickly describe the alliance.
>and the Germans down
>Sir Hastings Lionel Ismay, 1st Baron Ismay (a British)
I guess most EU counts are well aware of that even population itself is tho you can't really do anything about it and until now it was not even that bad at least compared to how bad it could be.
Issue at least in my eyes is US started lagging and rest of the world catching up with development, standard of living and US govt is becoming increasingly nervous and erratic. US really needs to massively invest in education of it's population to produce world class scientific and engineers and keep tech/development gap with rest of the world large enough instead of playing stupid tariffs, sanctions and bans games.
Europeans are not represented in the US congress. No representation? Colonial injustice. Either give representation or frick off from Europe.
>US really needs to massively invest in education of it's population to produce world class scientific and engineers
Why? The US doesn't need the world, but the world needs the US.
>Why? The US doesn't need the world, but the world needs the US.
do americans really believe that BS? its the other way around
not really, USA could be a 100% autarchy if there was a will for it
Yeah, but at the same time slashing down your GDPs by at least 25%
Less than 10%. At least 15% is within NAFTA, that is, Canada and Mexico.
US prosperity is based on its global dominance. Living standard hit would be much higher in US than in the rest of the world it that would not be the case anymore.
>US prosperity is based on its global dominance
Noooooo? The biggest chunk of arable land with the worlds most interconnected waterways, the Mississippi delta; shale oil and gas out the wazoo; and a decent demographic. The US doesn't need the world.
Well ok, it's what republicans are preaching these days, I'm ok with that since I really dislike biden/hillary globohomosexual agenda.
Don't know if it's true tho so best luck to you, we'll see.
Republicians/democrats aren't really labels right now. Ever since Trump both parties have been thrown into a process of soul searching that is likely to continue for the next four to six years. Just as an example:
>the business and national security communities have been kicked out of the Republican party, and instead the populists are now rekindling the fires of January 6th
>meanwhile the democrats realize that the homosexuals, the lefties, and the blacks all have very different opinions on the definition of civil rights
>and America is shocked to discover that Mexican immigrants, once their family has been relocated as well, are really *against* further immigration and want the borders closed
The only thing that seems iron-clad to me thus far is that Republicans are predominantly anti-vaxxers.
>Democrats
>Soul-searching
Leh-mao. They've quadrupled down.
Repubs are sort of doing it though. The neo-con/populist split.
Then I challenge you to come up with a better term than "voting group reshuffling".
No groups are changing hands though.
I've JUST outlined that the business community is homeless right now, and the national security people are now democrats, courtesy of Hillary Clinton. Just because you're not paying attention doesn't mean it's not happening.
>Republicans are predominantly anti-vaxxers.
wait blacks are switching to the republicans?
>do americans really believe that BS?
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Number of Foreign-Born Residents (Immigrants) - United Nations 2020:
>№1 - United States — 50.6 million
Suck murican dick, vatnik.
>vatnik
pls understand, vatnik is not derogatory term to russians, they're kinda proud of it so it's strange to see it used in that context. It's no the same as calling ukrainians hohols.
>"Grandpa vatnik and I ratnik"...
OK, Vatnik.
No man, ruskies call themselves vatniks. Idk mabye it's the same as Black person thing in burgerland, maybe it's derogatory when someone else says it.
pic related, trans is like "grandpa vantnik, grandson warrior" or something like that, it rimes nicely in russian.
>No man, ruskies call themselves vatniks as form of coping
Ok vatnik.
OK, Vatnik.
you're confused anon
>If you only knew how worried we are right now.
>vatnik is not derogatory term to russians
>It's no the same as calling ukrainians hohols.
Yep, that's vatnik cope. Post your salary, olgin troll.
>keep the Russians tanks out is le bad
I think it's time to throw Germany out of NATO and say that now Russia can do whatever it wants with it as an example for others.
Walk the walk, yank
You and Russians are cut from the same cloth (both are ~~*US*~~s)
Always threatening shit but never actually do it
Did you forget about the time when Biden called Saudi Arabia a "pariah state"? Like lol, Americans are full of rich, amnesiac degenerates
>shitskin arab
Opinion - discarded.
Its an archaic 70 year old opinion from a man who spent a lot of years fighting the Germans in WW2, course he's going to have a bias. That and I think he said it in the early 50's when they'd barely taken down the ropes from hanging a frickload of nazis. If you've never served in a conflict, then its probably a little hard for you to understand after you emerge from a war without some kind of prejudices and similar thoughts about the former enemy.
I mean, most Romans have a few choice words for zee germans too, but they're hardly relevant now either
That would pretty much be the end of the NATO alliance, then. If the Europeans are unwilling to support the US in their effort to sustain Ukraine as an independent entity, then why the frick are the US in NATO in the first place?
And once that happens you can kiss the European economy goodbye. Their demographies are also pretty bad (albeit not as catastrophically bad as Russia's or China's are), so they must export. Export requires protection of sea lanes, because otherwise you go back to the Golden Age of Buccaneers of the 18th century, where you either had to have a strong navy, or were simply left out - and that's not even assuming that states would engage in state-sponsored pirating.
>That would pretty much be the end of the NATO alliance, then.
Well, I think politicians will not arrange the end of NATO over Ukraine. At least that's what Kremlin is counting on because that's how they see the world - agreements don't mean anything, the main thing is power and income.
>Well, I think politicians will not arrange the end of NATO over Ukraine
The US already had one food out the door when Biden took over, and in terms of international relations almost all Trump-era policies are still in place. For the US NATO isn't about economies, but about its members absorbing Soviet/Russian ammunition, but if it turns out that they can't even do that, then why should the US still provide the security guarantees that they have since WWII?
>inb4 if it hurts the Europeans it's gonna hurt the US, too
The American economy is the least internationally involved economy by percentage of GDP, and the stuff that's left is mostly within NAFTA. The US has trade agreements with Japan, Korea, and the UK, and that's enough.
Meanwhile the Euros have a raging moron at their borders and no means to protect their exports. Same with China. You place two destroyers in the Straight of Hormuz, and within 3 months power goes out in China, and within 12 months they have an outright famine.
Which is why Scholz's appeasement politics might save Russian energy for Germany, but what good does it to them when they can't export the shit they're producing?
>but if it turns out that they can't even do that, then why should the US still provide the security guarantees that they have since WWII?
Tradition/economics? Fear of showing alliance breakdown in the front of China/Russia? In any case, you forget that the public's perception of the situation matters, and I very much doubt that Biden will be able to persuade ordinary Joe to get out of his comfort zone and end NATO over some little-known country that he can't even find on a map.
>Tradition/economics?
Tradition? Haha.
Economics?
>The American economy is the least internationally involved economy by percentage of GDP
You didn't even read the post, didn't you.
Simpler than that. The USA needs to project power for the same reason early and mid Rome did - because the world is full of belligerent morons so you need allies around your borders.
The mistake Rome made was regularly absorbing those allies into Rome proper instead of keeping them as border marches.
>The USA needs to project power for the same reason early and mid Rome did - because the world is full of belligerent morons so you need allies around your borders.
They don't, though. Ocean moats to either side, forest and lakes to the north, and desert and mountains to the south. American mainland is *stupidly* secure. They don't need to project anything ... even their oil and gas is produced domestically.
I like how Nova Scotia is different enough to be labeled "Temperate Cool", yet L.A and Boston are both simply "Temperate".
There's one thing you haven't considered. Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia. Fricking with Russia has never been such a popular opinion. Scholz perceived softness on Russia is hardening into the Germans viewing him as a no shit traitor (apart from homosexual Ossis) and is very likely to bring him and his party down.
The bloodlust of the Greater European has been aroused, and this formerly cuddly animal will have it's due measure of malapert blood and woe anyone who gets in their way.
>Scholz perceived softness on Russia is hardening into the Germans viewing him as a no shit traitor
Am German, can confirm. Have been calling him a Russian submarine for the last couple months, and people agree with me here.
idk, from an outsider perspective Scholz appear to be deathly afraid of gas shortages impacting german industry. are you germans willing to sacrifice some of your industrial product for the greater cause?
I am, but I also don't work in heavy industry.
>Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia.
>Italy
Think again.
https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/italy-support-russia
Italy was infiltrated by commie cells during Cold War, the 5th column is deeply rooted in Italy.
The article just say they give a small time for Zarakhova b***h to speak in the news. BBC did it too for Lavrov.
https://cepa.org/italy-begins-to-tire-of-war-in-ukraine/
Time for Germany to start occupying Italy then, I suppose.
There's also Hungary, Croatia is also kinda skeptical about true nature of the war and butthurt by nato not giving a frick about 5 tonne Russian drone crashing on the capital.
I'd pay money to see Germany tell Serbia that it's OK invading the Balkans, then - just to see the Croatian and Hungarian reactions.
I'm from Croatia and we're ok with that since Croatia itself is ethnically cleansed so no issues there. Kosovo is Serbia after all and Bosnia while I don't support the idea since I hate Bosnia many people on both sides would like to see country split between Croatia and Serbia. You don't understand shit about ex-yu anon.
Not really, old Europe is skeptical about all this and feels US is fricking up EU with that shit in Ukraine. Only counts that are 100% on board with US on that are ex Warsaw pact counts which are always swinging how wind blows.
Riiiiight - because it's the US that attacked Ukraine, and not Russia.
>t. Michael Micholvsky from Brandenburg Oblast
No one cares. Life if not fair. EU has it's own financial and corporate interests which are taking insane hit now in the name of democrats biden/hillary globohomosexual agenda.
Those won't go away even if Russia keeps supplying Germany with gas, because if Russia wins it's breasts up for German exports because the US are out of the game and the EU can't protect their sea lanes.
You better get used to eat dirt.
>EU can't protect their sea lanes.
From who, Somali pirates? I find it much realistic US starting torpedoing EU ships if whole EU slips out of burger control and start behaving like independent entity China style.
>From who, Somali pirates?
Everyone. Again, the EU will have problems even if the US do absolutely nothing. But if they decide to actively encourage piracy ...
>EU has it's own financial and corporate interests
You are a right, vatnik, and the number one interest now is to weaken the Russian army so much that it will not be able to attack Poland and Baltics in the future. The bone of contention is whether to keep Putin in his place or to destroy the regime completely.
no one cares about russia, it's regional economy that is not even global player out of raw energy.
what it comes down to is that airbus can't be bigger than boeing and vw can't be bigger than gm. that's where real money and interests are.
War in Ukraine will fix this pie chart in few short years with help of internal to EU saboteurs like Polaks.
if it's a Boeing I ain't a going. They really fricked their reputation by penny pinching and going all in for diversity
You are not an EU citizen and never will
>Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia
This is a lie.
>L-lies, everyone loves holy Russia and despises HATO and United States of Satan!
Guess I'll post it again.
And stay out.
Calling your bullshit on "Public opinion in all of those countries is 100% against Russia" means we claim everyone loves Russia?
Sounds fun living in your head, schizo moron.
Nice graph showing that, indeed, there's no country in which "100% of the public opinion is against Russia".
Liars caught pants down deflecting and strawmanning, typical, I'd almost call you a falseflagging vatnik.
Not 100% but a lot more yes. In France only far right and far left hidden commies are pro rasha now, even if they hide it.
Lmao. The spineless germs can do nothing. It's actually pretty pathetic that their politicians still have not got the message that if russia wins here it is unironically over for the eu.
Brit, Yank, or Butthurt Belter?
I think they still haven't realised that without exports Germany is over. If they wanted to no longer rely on American protection they should've started building a blue-water navy ten years ago.
You do know why Germany is still weak right now right? Because the country was designed that way. The Americans and the Russians don't want Germany to be strong again. They're afraid of a strong, independent Europe led by Germany, because it would make them look like uncivilised barbarians from the 20th century.
>You do know why Germany is still weak right now right?
Define "weak". Economically? Certainly not, although it's vulnerable.
Militarily? Also not really, at least not during the Cold War, because we all knew that Germany was going to be the battlefield in case of a change of temperature.
>independent
>led by Germany
You're contradicting yourself.
Aw shit, here we go again. Again butthurt Fritz blame others for his own mistakes. Germans is weak because take as a given that the big daddy USA will protect them, so they are used to transferring the maintenance of a combat-ready army to NATO, while they themselves were saving money and spending on something else. Frick off, parasites.
>take as a given that the big daddy USA will protect them
They're like occupied by US, how they feel and what they think about it is irrelevant.
Ok chink. Now tell me how it happened that chinks run to Western Internet resources en masse, while no one wants to visit Chinese ones?
Because you people don't speak Chinese while Chinese speak English?
>Chinese speak English
>doesn't correlate with previously known facts
Since the mid 90s English is mandatory 2nd language taught in chink schools. If you're groomed into success of course you'll learn at least one additional language like russian or japanese.
My parents had high hopes for me so I've learned english, french in elementary, german, italian in highschool and technical english at uni. They would have never dreamed that I'll end up with you losers here, shitty east euro slavs and poverty crippled burgers kek. dad are you seeing this shit.
Imagine being so far gone you start taking to your dad on PrepHole.
yeah, he's also dead
Sorry to hear it, he was probably a good guy. Too bad he gave birth to an attention starved homosexual.
>Since the mid 90s English is mandatory 2nd language taught in chink schools
That explains a lot.
That got shut down in 2021, no foreign devil tutors allowed. From the Chinese I've known with some kind of English skills, they're about on par with the Japanese who still get taught it all through high school and end up completely fricking rubbish at it after 5-7 years.
I wish I had someone from the UK or the US come into my classroom and teach me how to speak English properly. I had to learn that from GTA games.
>yes, I'm an ESL, and most of you homosexuals'd think I'm a native speaker
Back on topic: the Japanese have all the advantages one could think of, so why is it that they're still just so fricking bad at it?
Mind you, when I worked in CN I just had a terp who handled all the language difficulties because frankly I couldn't be fricked with Cantonese or Mandarin, let alone all the chicken scratches. But you'll still get people with a smattering of English keen to try it out on your poor unsuspecting arse, just as they will in Japan and it really is that lack of fluent, casual conversation that basically they never get because there simply is no one outside of the academic background you can really chat to.
The Japanese are more polite about it, but they're still shit 🙂
>my wife speak more JP than I do, all mine is good for is starting fights and insulting cultural niceties
Most fun ESL I've come across is in India, which for the most part has a fairly solid English education system dating back to the 1800's.
But, it is literally Victorian English so the syntax and sentence structure is all fricked up and you end up having to do some 5D computational interpretation trying to figure out if its English, but its all back to front.
>Literally the stuff like "do the needful sir" is actually Victorian English
You'd think that with the internet being a thing and all Japanese people would have a lot more contact with the outside world. Some years ago I saw a video of some Japanese guy reading PrepHole threads to himself in order to learn English - with rather marginal success, I should add:
>What was he thinking?
>"He was thinking ... what!"
A lot of those little apps you can get on phones now are also probably a very good way of learning a language, mostly because its something even the most socially fricked up of us can do by ourselves and there's just enough fast and loose interpretation to sort of get you by in casual conversation. Technically I know enough in Spanish to be technically literate in it, but its been 30 years since I had anyone to talk to in Spanish, same with Indonesian, I'm formally educated in it, but there's no one to speak to in it. Add in a smattering of Hindi, Pashtun, Arabic, Russian, Ukranian, Japanese, Mandarin, Tok Pisin and some of the more choice swearing in Italian- all done with a very crude, knuckle dragging Australian accent and we'll be fighting in no time as I manage to grossly offend just about anyone.
(Plus if its not in an Anglicised written language I'm completely fricked there)
Japanese culture is still big enough and insular enough that they aren't forced to use Western (English speaking) websites for everything, in both their entertainment and their professional lives. You also have the fact that Asian languages and English are pretty much on the opposite ends of the spectrum of linguistics, so they are fighting an uphill battle, and that's compounded by how fricked the Japanese writing system is that they're still learning new vocab in highschool which means they spend time not on English. However, Japan as a country is in the process of giving up on Japanese to an extant, which is why they make massive usage of English loanwords and punctuation marks, but they're also so insular that they don't realize that many of those words are loanwords.
That's right, no one wants to learn the language of shitskins, everyone is learning the prestigious language of white people. It was, is and always will be because no one is interested in the language of Chinese slaves, everyone wants to be like their owners, everyone wants to be white.
Why might that be?
Also out of all euro nations Germans really feel odd and borderline autistic, would not like them to have absolute dominance over Europe.
I think that this is a sign of Western decadence, the majority of the population and elites are used to living in security, and take it as a given, that this peace is based on strength and that the satus of the strong must be maintained is beyond their understanding because they do not even want to understand it and live only in present day without plans for tomorrow.
>of which 4 days were apparently arse rape
Even in the middle of a war Russia must guarantee it?!
Assrape is more integral to the russian training than an AK handling or first aid
Some things you just can't compromise on
What do you see changing in the future that will allow Puccia to capture half of Ukraine?
>inb4 we don't NEED to not lose troops in the south
>inb4 we can always send more Krokodil- and alcohol-addicted, HIV- and Tuberculosis-addled, poorly educated and trained Tuvans to the front
>inb4 Russian consequences will never be the same
Kill them all.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ilovaisk
>DPR prime minister Alexander Zakharchenko confirmed that an agreement had been made, and also said that Ukrainian forces were required to leave their armoured vehicles
>The northern column, commanded by General Ruslan Khomchak, consisted of forces of the 17th Tank Brigade, 51st Mechanized Brigade and police units; it had four tanks, several IFVs and approximately 1000 troops
>At the village of Oleksandrivka, two T-72BAs and an IFV of the Russian 21st Motor Rifle Brigade were destroyed in a clash with Ukrainian forces.
sounds like moronic hohols to me
Please do. Much more ammunition needs to blow up.
So we're basically headed to EW (extinct in the wild)
The world will be a sadder place without the striped bungler being able to migrate from its airfields to wherever it chose to breed with conscript mates
>Conservation status
Holy jumping fricking shitballs
Bong O'Clock but instead of military intel it's just Attenborough-esque concern for the VDV
>This one is barely out of training
>Clearly underprepared, he must make the jump alone
>But the Hohols await him eagerly
>[Blyaaaat] as screen pans to background
Everyday I learn to hate the Eternal Russian a little bit more.
>3/4 encirclement
It is almost as good as 1/2 encirclement
I'm pretty partial to a 3/4 encirclement myself
Okraina is an expert at those.
>You wanted my land - so now get mixed with it, become it, go to sleep
are we posting reddit art now?
oh yeah, i forgot about this
oh and russia attacked Odessa just one day after they made an agreement about grain exports
"russia evil empire that never respects agreements" - Dzhokhar Dudayev
theres no reasoning with russian politicians, russia will never keep its word, the only way to secure long lasting peace is by completely mauling the russian army to such degree, that even if putin, or whoever comes next tries to violate any peace treaty or ceasefire, the russian army would be completely incapable of doing anything
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/23/world/europe/ukraine-russia-odesa-grain-attack.html
>Russia may not have technically violated the grain deal, since it did not pledge to avoid attacking the parts of the Ukrainian ports that are not directly used for the grain exports, according to a senior U.N. official. If there were military targets nearby, Russia may have been trying to exploit a loophole, a practice that has become increasingly common over the course of the war.
lol
lmao
>Russian forces had fired four Kalibr cruise missiles at Odesa
>Two rockets were shot down by air defense forces, two hit port infrastructure facilities
>Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, said that Russian strikes had caused 10 explosions in Odesa
Secondary grain explosions are no joke, must have been corn.
rolling for many dead globohomosexual ukranian homosexuals as my brave 500 soldiers march to kiev
jesus you echochambered yourselves into believing the lamest shit. this would be all over the news if it was real.
It certainly is in German news.
It is in the news.
None. Dumb vatniks cannot win against a raw twitter power.
this is the homosexual that you're listening to and believing when you hear about how the f-35 sucks, why the double standard?
This account is fricking bullshit. It is pretty much the same as orthodox amerifats who stay on twitter 24.7 defending russia, filled with bullshit and questionable stories
Holes were punched into another bridge. This time through the bridge over the Inhulets, next to Darivka, West of Kherson.
what good are holes in a bridge?
Destroys the cables, makes it so heavy vehicles can't use the bridge. Soviets designed bridges to barely support their 40 ton tanks but unable to support 50 ton western tanks. Even a little damage makes it so these bridges can't support their tanks.
>Soviets designed bridges to barely support their 40 ton tanks
That's not the only reason: cabled bridges are much cheaper in construction.
>Soviets designed bridges to barely support their 40 ton tanks but unable to support 50 ton western tanks
What!?
>2015-2016: Russians let encircled rebels out via green buses to avoid drawn-out sieges
>2022: Russians now asking to be greenbused themselves
how the mighty have fallen
Their air force.
>404 Russian Airforce not found
>Would you like to try Russian Navy instead? (Y/N)
>Same crew behind the Snake Island retreat team put together the second well-thought out Russian strike package in the entire war
>A-50 Mainstay AWACS plane mistaken for civilian airliner and domed by S-400
Those old IL76's can have some exiting lives
>Be Iraq, start shit, get hit
>Send IL76 to Iran to stop it being blown up
>War ends, can I has it back?
>Iran: No
>Please?
>Nope, mine now
>Iran proceeds to kludge an AWACS suite on top, just like real countries do
>Be all modern and shit in 2009
>look I did a thing!
>Flying in formation, F15 getting kind of too close
>Boop!
>everyone dies
>meant F-5 Tiger not F-15
Kill them all
Send TU-95 to carpet-bomb 100m wide clearing through the blocks and just level everything to the ground.
Then send another TU-95 loaded with asphalt to make 8 line highway out of it.
great way to lose a 2 TU-95
Isn't that guy so moronic as to be under suspicion of false-flagging?
I've yet to see his face attached to anything else but ridiculous hot takes or blatant fabrications that no western or open-source poster supports.
Here again, he takes something mentioned as a distant possibility by others and runs away with it as if his sole purpose is to discredit the original sources.
yes, but it has been partially corroborated by arestovych
3/4 cauldron, about 1k ruspigs
https://wartranslated.com/day-149-july-22-summary-of-arestovych-and-feygin-daily-broadcast/
no cauldron=nothing burger. they might still get fricked when they retreat but it won't be a total loss
You have no idea what a cauldron is, do you? It's because there's constant attacks on the rear end; the bottom is hot.
>Fuat
>Whoaaaaa Ukraine encircled 3 full BTGs in a village
Fastforward
>Akshually they're not really encircled
>Akshually it's less than half that number
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1550497069449838592
doubt - would be really funny though
The purpose of the EU should've been:
1. Keep Europe united
2. Keep Asiatic dictators (like Putin) down
and finally
3. Keep the Americans out
What makes or breaks the union is the success of realizing these three goals
>1. Keep Europe united
>part of the world known for its warmongering
Good luck, without strong oppressor like USA, I guarantee that Europe will start another world war. It's in their genes.
hope you're wrong but current European situation being basically controlled by US is their own fault by fricking themselves up with prior constant wars. Still paying price for it 80 years later.
There wouldn't even be a war in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO still being around after 1991
If anything the elite in Europe are too afraid of conflicts. There should've been a swift intervention to prevent the Yugoslav wars. There should've been a forceful demand to disband NATO, to pressure Russia, and so on. Instead, it's appeasement, appeasement, and more appeasement.
we don't know what would russia do in the absence of NATO
but their entire history is one of imperial conquest and their population is buck broken and worships strongmen
So yeah, USA influenced europe is still miles better than russian one
>There wouldn't even be a war in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO still being around after 1991.
True, the war right now would be in the Balkan region, where Slava Poccia is liberating their Serbian bretheren by realising Greater Serbia (as a Republic of the Russian Federation). This move is strongly supported by the Georgian autonomous republic, Severo-Kazakhstan and the Baltic Oblast.
Yes, that's my second point which kind of illustrates that Europe wasn't ready (and still to this day) for withdrawing from NATO, because people can't seem to unite and form a European army that is fully independent from the US.
Serbia/Yugo was like totally pro-us/pro-west and hated east euros and warsaw pacters, us should have just waited out couple of years for their then president to burn out naturally but some frickup in cia was impatient and now US ended with fricking russian enclave in the middle of the balkans because serbs are as salty about the nato bombing as polaks are about soviets raping them for 40 years.
>There wouldn't even be a war in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO still being around after 1991
>Russia - we are attacking Ukraine so that it does not join NATO
>also Russia - we will not attack Finland and Sweden because they are already under the protection of NATO
Ok moron.
>There should've been a swift intervention to prevent the Yugoslav wars
And how would you do that? In practical terms I mean. Force them to stay together? Give each some land, but then the Serbs lived all over, would they get the most? Or would you force nation-mixing again, except in smaller states? But then how would that work if they didn't want to live together in the first place?
Occupy the country, open up a referendum, break them up peacefully and shoot those who want to cause trouble
That's like the one thing that would unify them all.
I agree with all of these things, but Europe can seem to get its shit together when it comes to the military. America has a ridiculously bloated military budget but it does seem to come in handy now and again
When did /k/ become so reddit and cringe?
it always was very low iq board with posters crippled by poverty but it became cringe when east euro redditors lost war on PrepHole and /misc/ and did tactical retreat to /k/ which is now new home for them despite being noguns.
The world needs USA much more than the USA need the world
and i'm saying it as an european
Right now, I agree, but this isn't surprising because the new world order was entirely designed by the United States. It'd be utterly irresponsible for them to make the rules, force people to obey them, without actually enforcing them or anything.
Good news, vatnik juice!
Cars
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1548992984946974720
pic nice one, won't click on twitter link tho
Here you go
yeah, this is type of dark irony ex-yu slavs especially enjoy.
>The absolute state of that cemetery
Godless bastards
I think that after seeing their son die, they'd rather double down on the whole "anti-fascism" narrative than admit that he died for an unjust cause. Like you have to imagine, if in some alternate timeline where their child avoided getting sent to Ukraine, would they, at least subconsciously, think "Thank God, they didn't sent you into that meat grinder".
okay you slavic people need to just stop with the fricking cauldron shit already. you can win wars WITHOUT it. they're really more trouble than their worth.
Ritualistic suicide to summon the Ghost of Rasputin's wiener to frick the Ukrainians to death.
>typical russian city
Yes, and if you do not agree, immigrate to Russia to prove that I am wrong.
new update
>Ukraine now controls and has moved past the T2207, which was presumed to be still under Russian control
>6km wide gap to escape
>the gap is all flatland
the only reasonable way to escape is to move at night, but that requires abandoning all equipment and weapons
https://nitter.net/DefMon3/status/1550808065510875139
>if you don't side with my israelites, then you fight for the israelites!
that dude left you so buckbroken you spam pics here
https://t.me/insiderUKR/37285
there's a lesson here, /k/: never ever believe any single "breaking news" story that arestovych says.
le crock pot is simmering hohols ..
A white flag
turns out it is yet another fictional Ukrainian victory...what a surprise!
How many miles to Kiev?
What will be the next fictional counter-offensive and the next fictional victory? It's the same BS over and over again since day 1.
300mm GMLRS from China
And drones: https://youtu.be/q6zYXr5JZ8Q?t=6
Now show without edits.
>still edited
I want a smooth camera pan.
Product 305 spam
Hey, remember when the Russian Army would "open humanitarian corridors" for civilians to escape through....and then bombed the living shit out of anyone who tried to use them?
Yeaaaah....Karma is a b***h, aintit?
Russian soldiers lives hold no value in Russia. If they're gonna die, then they're gonna die.
>sucks to be them
>Hey, remember when the Russian Army would "open humanitarian corridors" for civilians to escape through....and then bombed the living shit out of anyone who tried to use them?
No.
I remember Ukraine claiming it happened while providing zero evidence.
Just like they now claim there's an encirclement.