What the fuck is so important in Bahkmut that Russia willing to hemorrhage so much men and material for it?

What the fuck is so important in Bahkmut that Russia willing to hemorrhage so much men and material for it?
>It's a foothold for a larger operation
A larger operation for what? Russia doesn't have the man power to make any large scale offensives. It's why they couldn't take Kiev, it's why they lost Kherson and Kharkiv and it's why Russia is going to have another large scale mobilization. Does Russia even have the equipment for any sort of offensives?

None of this makes any sense. If it were a large city like Odessa or Kherson then I would understand but Bahkmut just isn't that important. Even if they eventually take it was it really worth thousands of casualties and loss of equipment? I almost get the feeling that the goalposts has moved so far back that Russia is just desperate for any kind of victory to dangle in front the populace to hopefully stop an uprising

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is a space anomaly there that opens in Odessa.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    prigozhin wants his personal salt mine, that's about it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >When you're so salty about being held up by one town you need your own salt mine.
      Jezus Christ.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't care about loses if your people are undesirables anyways. As long as there are prisoners in puccia they will tie up Ukraine in Bakhmut

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The prisoners are garbage, so it doesn't matter if we throw them away
      This is a shit argument, so what if you don't care about the prisoners, you can still throw human waves at a more valuable target rather than a useless one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The value of a target in SYMBOLIC struggle feeds the Russian death cult model for military courage. Watch their war movies like "Rhzev" where abused scum find themselves in dying for Stalin.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brainlette take

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        but that's literally what prigorzihn has said on telegram, he wants to trade low quality russian lives for high quality Ukrainian troops.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You don't care about loses if your people are undesirables anyways.
      imagine being the king and not coming up with something worthwhile to put resources into, fucking loser

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck is so important in Bahkmut

    The salt mine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A misnomer,
      it's the what, or who, is inside the Salt Mine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Whats that, the golem of bahkmut?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Access to Salt and gypsum mines. Wars aren't free you know!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can find gypsies on the side of the road idiot u don’t need to go mining for them wtf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you need the salt mine? Why not just dig your own mine in the outskirts of town. A lot less people would be shooting at you

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The original, real, salt mine has mystical properties

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Go through the back

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin wants to ascend as Daemon Prince of Khorne. For that he needs blood sacrafice

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does shedding your own blood count?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, I guess

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And papa Xi wanna go Nurgle. Who's the other two?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        USA as slaneesh, the chaos trifecta is complete

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cia is tzeench, white house is slaanesh

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not about Bakhmut, it's about not losing Donezk and Luhansk, Bakhmut happens to be on the way
    The easiest way to stop or delay the Ukrainians from attacking there is to waste their manpower and material by throwing human waves and artillery at them
    That is why you regularly see company or platoon sized elements being sent to attack with little support, they don't expect to advance there but to do damage to the Ukrainian forces

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder what the situation is actually like. I mean, from my perspective, this seems ideal for Ukraine, given that Russia is sending their own troops into the meat grinder to die by the thousands, while also concentrating their artillery in the region. Given Ukraine's access to western intelligence and weapons that both outrange anything Russia has and that is far more accurate, wouldn't it be like shooting fish in a barrel? I would assume that, on a clear day, Ukraine would know the positions of any concentrations of Russian troops and artillery, so what's stopping them from raining down death upon them?
      Or is that what they're doing? It's kinda hard to tell given how little information is given out, beyond the overall situation.
      Or is Ukraine letting Russia bleed out while preparing another large offensive?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think we can safely assume that if the situation was strategically bad for Ukrainians, they would have done something about it. We've seen them retreat when needed at Severaldonuts and at the start of the war.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, I don't see any way for Russia to make significant gains, though I suppose there is a possibility that they can take Bakhmut, if only temporarily, but I can't really wrap my head around the current situation from Ukraine's perspective. My assumption is that it's not really a true stalemate, and that Ukraine is planning something. As in, they're holding them in place and grinding them down, but they have some kind of massive offensive planned somewhere, but I don't know exactly when and where, and because we don't know much about troop placement across the huge front line, or anything specific about how much military hardware each side has, it's like fumbling around in the dark.
          We saw the same thing with Kherson. They launched an offensive to retake Kherson, but portrayed it as a very difficult grind that might not succeed, then they suddenly counterattacked around Kharkov, pushing the Russians far back, and a few months later, Kherson was suddenly won as well. I just have a feeling something similar is going to happen, where Ukraine will launch a massive offensive either against the Russians attacking Bakhmut, or somewhere else now that so many Russians are tied up there. I just don't know enough about the overall situation to make any remotely educated guesses as to what, when and where? Then again, I guess that's the point, because if I knew, then the Russians would know as well, despite how fucking retarded they are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it might just be that ruskies keep attacking and defending is costing Ukrainians barely any resources. General Potato mentioned in one interview that he's really sorry to the defenders of Bakhmut for not committing more resources to the area and they're doing a great job with what they got
            I think he's just letting russians keep on making the same mistake over and over again to keep attrition rates high. If fresh mobiks get maimed and die there, russia can't concentrate them anywhere else. With the new IFV shipments we'll see a counteroffensive as soon as the ground freezes over, so roughly in a week

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >he's really sorry to the defenders of Bakhmut for not committing more resources to the area and they're doing a great job with what they got
              Based on something I read a few days ago, there are actually quite a few troops stationed in and around Bakhmut, and from what I can tell, they're rotating them in and out, while some of the troops stations outside Bakhmut are veterans who have recently been resupplied. Apparently there are so many Ukrainian troops in the area that they're having trouble staging anything elsewhere, but with the deliberate disinformation that's such an important part of this war, who knows if it's true.
              I'm just really curious about how much control Ukraine has on the situation. Are they fighting desperately, or are they up to something?
              After all of this shit is over, it's going to be really fascinating to read about the war, and to see what was going on behind the scenes.

              >With the new IFV shipments we'll see a counteroffensive as soon as the ground freezes over, so roughly in a week
              I think it'll take longer than that. While I'm sure they've been trained to operate these IFVs in the west over the past few months, setting up an offensive with fresh, western equipment is going to take far more than a week. I'm sure we'll see something within a few months, though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >setting up an offensive with fresh, western equipment is going to take far more than a week
                they've been rehearsing their offensives using fresh western equipment at english and polish bases for months, same as they did for the offensive at kharkiv.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, but logistics take time, and while the Russians are retards, they do actually have satellites and other forms of orky intelligence, so it's not like the Ukrainians can just amass a force whenever and wherever they want, without the Russians knowing.
                Looks like it'll be overcast about a week from now though, so maybe they'll start moving shit into position then.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they have interior lines, it doesn't really matter as much if the russians see them amassing a force in eastern ukraine, because the ukrainians can move that force into any position on the front just by moving it down the road a hundred km.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia is just desperate for any kind of victory

            This. This is the reason.

            You will all be coping come spring when you have no more salt!*~~

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >vatmoron
              >map with a shit ton of arrows and squares

              name the more iconic duo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                false flag poster

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You missed him mocking the vatniks

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This
          It is more annoying in that an active front drains some amount of men, material, and administrative through put that could otherwise be spent elsewhere or stockpiled for a later offensive.
          Russia wants to keep some sort of pressure up

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukrainians are taking what we would consider untenable devastating losses here in the west. Russia is taking more than 3x that in the region.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ATACMS coming soon

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cost of operation: 10,000 lives
    Value of one (1) life (Russian): 0
    ---------------------------------
    Total cost of operation: 0

    APPROVED

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Equipment
      >Fuel
      >Manpower outside of meat shield unit needed to coordinate
      >etc..

      This whole argument that they are prisoners/undesireables so it doesn't cost the Russians anything is absolute shit. Can idiots please stop spewing this bullshit? You're either trying to cope for Russia or know nothing about how an actual military operates.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        starting to think russia might not have an actual military

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          depending on how you define military, they arguably don't.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're a loser. A person who gives up at the slightest pushback. No pride. No convictions. No testosterone. This is not about strategic victories or whatever you faggy nerds like talking about. This is about the sigma grindset.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More land under your control = better
    Why it is so hard for ukrops to understand?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if bakmut isnt important why ukies defend the city? checkmate m8.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not important, but defending it means you can kill lots of little ziggers with minimal effort needed. Why shouldn't the ukies take that deal?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because effort put in fortifying it is not trivial - and fortified positions are easier and cheaper to defend - less killed and wounded as a result and major losses on attackers side...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you want them to do? Fall back to a city that matters, cede territory, and put a valuable city in danger? Better to have this dust up in some shithole, especially if it's easy to defend, like this is.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know how Hitler insisted on wasting resources on vengence weapons, rockets and very long range artillery, and bombing raids on England believing he could crush their will to fight?
    And how Trump wanted to send in regular army troops to shoot protesters?
    This is the same thing. A narcissist lashing out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Trump wanted to send in regular army troops to shoot protesters?
      based and redpilled. those fucking rioters should have been shot or hung. preferably shot then hung.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Found the boot-licking cuck.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >anarcho-feds accuse the cons of "boot licking"
          >obsessively suck off the FBI every chance they get

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone who attacked the Capitol on teh Jan 6 insurrection should have been liquidated with extreme prejudice. Include fatfuck orange and all of his enablers & co-conspirators.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And how Trump wanted to send in regular army troops to shoot protesters?
      You the violent protestors that attempt a saint of a violent moron that oded on Fent?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        99.99% of the violence over St Floyd was done by whites. The blacks even tried chasing them away but couldn't shake the cumskins off

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        meds

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thou shall not defile His holy name for he was too pure for this world

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imagine supporting a senseless war that kills hundreds of thousands but you think a black former strongarm robber is the "violent moron"

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      asiatic steppe hordes were rather big on tactics that worked, they didn't throw people into meatgrinders, so that's racist
      you're thinking of chinese

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It doesnt make sense because you are exclusively consuming American propaganda.

    What the propaganda doesnt want you to know, and what it hides at any cost, is the losses of the Ukraine. You sometimes get a glimpse into what is going on, for example when military service is extended to women, when serving notices, murdering their own fleeing troops, all the stuff you are not supposed to put into a bigger picture. Now you should also know that the Russians are absolutely outnumbered. The Russian invasion force was 120.000 men strong. Despite the partial mobilization of another 300.000 troops the numbers of fighting personell in Ukraine stayed the same. The Ukraine on the other hand has put millions under arms. Now why this kind of warfare? To grind the enemy down.

    Military strategist have written extensively about this. You lose a war by mindlessly sacrificing troops for land not worth defending.

    Ukraine is throwing everything they have at Bakhmut, strategically unimportant city. Last count was they have about 10 brigades around Bakhmut. People dont understand how big a brigade is, usually around 3000 people. If you arent able to force a decisive victory in a defensive position you are doing something wrong or you dont have 30.000 people at your disposal anymore. And here is the Russian strategy. They grind you down. Their losses, despite looking gigantic. Are laughable compared to the losses of the Ukraine. Back to step one. No one talks about the losses of the Ukraine, ever.

    And this solves the mystery of western propaganda and the war in general. The Russians empty their prisons and they use extremely outdated equipment. That alone is enough to substantially decrease the numbers of active Ukrainian service personell.

    This war will end, after the Ukraine is unable or unwilling to supply more meat. This day will approach, Russia will stay in Ukraine until then.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Their losses, despite looking gigantic. Are laughable compared to the losses of the Ukraine.
      Do you actually have any evidence of this?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but since you will refute any sources that are not American propaganda, I dont waste my time. Just keep believing the Russians are just stupid.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I actually have a more nuanced view on this war that the average person here so go ahead and try me. But lets be honest, if the numbers you're getting are from the Russian MOD why would you trust them? You can't believe any number released by the governments of Russia or Ukraine. Both have been exposed as liars.

          Anyways post sources so I can read them anyways.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In other words your source is some vatnik telegram channel. Post it then. Don’t be shy.

            So you don't have any sources?

            If you had legitimate verified sources you wouldn't immediately be this defensive about nobody taking them seriously

            >Yes, but
            stopped there

            We will dab on you when Ukraine accepts Russian terms of surrender. Until then you will have to die stupid.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              |_T_|T_

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You will be mobilised, Vanya. And you will die at Bakhmut. Deal with it.

              >Verification not required.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I just want to see your important information that everyone is trying to suppress

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no. you'll just laugh at it and mock me and call me vatnik. but be assured that i have a lot of evidence.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you know your information has zero value to any kind of scrutiny. Then why can't you acknowledge that is cope, what is your personal investment anon?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Post evidence
                >I will refuse to post any evidence because I already know my sources are shit and everyone calls them shit so I'm going to stoop a level lower and not even fucking *try* to back up my argument by posting said sources and having them be placed under scrutiny
                Why are Russians so fucking stupid? You would look better if you actually posted anything but you're so cowardly and weak you fear a bunch of autists calling your Ruski sources shit. Pathetic.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Despite your desperate posting on this board you'll be mobilized in the next wave Ivan. Say your prayers to your false god, you don't have long on this earth left.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Despite your desperate posting on this board you'll be mobilized in the next wave Ivan. Say your prayers to your false god, you don't have long on this earth left.
                webm very related

                lol ukraine is so desperate, draft order deliveries are done in halloween costumes now. child soldiers seem to respond better to it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                is that an admission to getting rekt by some reluctant teenagers?...
                also it looks like that guy really doesn't want to get his inoculations lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >believing either of them
            If you look at public numbers from NATO or the UAF you will see that according to them, the Russians have lost a larger part of their entire standing army that existed at the onset of the invasion than was ever committed to it. That’s >100% casualty rates. Their own slides are logically impossible so there’s no need to ever consider a single other thing they say as truthful. Russians lie too, obviously their numbers are going to omit the undesirables and the convict battalions. However the sheer quantity of lies being propagated by both sides is making it impossible for the midwits to discern the true from the false.
            We live in an idiocracy. Once you realize that it all makes so much more sense

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the Russians have lost a larger part of their entire standing army that existed at the onset of the invasion than was ever committed to it.
              Russian active army is one million men, Rosgvardia 340k, Donbabwe and Lughanda 150-200k, Mobilized 300-500k(Mobiks that were convertly mobilized+ Wagner prisoners + 330k).
              Did Ukraine say that Russia suffered 2 million men already?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                muh 1 million includes nukes, airports, ports, navy, administration, railroads, cooks etc. It is not 1 millions fighters. Out of all that, there was less than 200k active regular troops ”trained” and ”equiped”... and you they were commited to the SMO and died there (or wounded, fled when their contract was up, etc). Few of those are left, they lost most of their equipment, and they have 9 months of war and death weigh on them.
                Then Russia started scrapping left and right to send sailors, air mechanics, airport guards, etc And called for volunteers. Most of those are dead/wounded too, expended on Izium.
                Then they emptied their prisons and called the mobilisation. All of those they sent are dead. The rest is being trained in Belarus and equiped by strippping the Belarussian army naked. They are not worth the russian troops sent last February, and if Ukraine could handle those, it can handle mobiks.
                Donbabwe and Lughanda mobiks are spent.
                Rosgvardia got burnt in february and are not sent to the front since then.
                The Chechens are used in the rear to keep control of the mobiks, and they just rape and extort them.

                Last cards of Putin are 1. the mobiks being trained in Belarus, but they are shit. A card only worthy as long as it is not played... else everyone will see how shit they are.
                And 2. the conscripts of last year that will soon finish their service and are going to be immediatly mobilised with scrap guns and equipment and
                60 yo fatso ”officers” forced out of retirement.
                1. and 2. are for next 2023 spring.
                And then there’s nothing left.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And then there’s nothing left.
                Wrong
                1. Announce second mobilization
                2. Arrest anyone that refuses
                3. Send them to jail
                4. Refill Wagner
                And done

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                must be depressing being russian knowing your entire bloodline has been nothing but slaves
                slave to the mongols
                slaves to the tsars
                slave to the commies
                and now slave to this new regime whatever it will be called in the future

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Those 100k+ casualties on part of the russians make sense if you count the separatists, "volunteer" units, mercenaries and other more paramilitary forces rather than the actual RU military. The two separatist guerrilla republics both had around 50k to 75k men at the start which if they took extremely heavy casualties already explains many of the highest number of estimated RU casualties.

              https://i.imgur.com/NmUSYwx.jpg

              must be depressing being russian knowing your entire bloodline has been nothing but slaves
              slave to the mongols
              slaves to the tsars
              slave to the commies
              and now slave to this new regime whatever it will be called in the future

              The new regime is literally just the Russian Mafia.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russia has raised more extra men (compared to the normal induction pace of their army) than they invaded with last February, by about 200%. Do we see any evidence of them supporting 300% of the men that they were able to support last February?
              No, we don't.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russia started with 190, and added another 180 with mobilisation. Ukraine says they've lost 110k afaik. So that is not >100% casualty rates.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine says they've lost 110k afaik. So that is not >100% casualty rates.
                Might want to check your math. Ukraine started with ~78k, so according to your numbers Ukraine absolutely suffered >100% casualty rates.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine said Russia lost 110k.
                >Ukraine started with ~78k
                I'm sure they started with more than that, but still, that number would have increased substantially.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In other words your source is some vatnik telegram channel. Post it then. Don’t be shy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly it sounds like Russian psyops to me.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So you don't have any sources?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you had legitimate verified sources you wouldn't immediately be this defensive about nobody taking them seriously

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes, but
          stopped there

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes, but
          why are you suddenly so bashful about this important information the west is trying to bury?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Russians are stupid.
          There is no other explanation for them not having won already, considering they held an absolute advantage in both numbers and firepower at the start of 2022 (and probably continue to hold a numerical advantage of at least 4x1 unless you're going to tell me russia already lost 1m men)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >keep believing Russians are stupid
          I’ll do exactly that. If white people were in charge Russia would be an amazing place to live. Instead, the largest and most resource rich country in the world gets out produced by a bunch of beaners lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who you calling beaner gay? I'm whiter than you

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              did you just fucking post your *fingerprints*? XD what a colossal tard

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I’m white too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fat looking hand and fingers, jesus christ

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bro, are you some kind of genetic dead end?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.
                🙁

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dios mio es el ogro de las americas

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Assertions made without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          anon, after having an 8 year lead on knowing when the next invasion is going to occur, the russians spent all that time gathering their incredible knowledge on warfare to finally invade ukraine for real this time and 3 days into their charge towards kyiv, they ran out of supplies and were forced to retreat. never mind the fact that ukraine practically did not have a military in 2014, and they could have curb stomped the entire country and won, but they didn't, and let their adversary rebuild their entire military for 8 years. russians are fucking idiotic beyond any measure

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>My evidence is from Canada, you wouldn't know her.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        are you asking for PROOFS?! haha gay.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that sentence structure

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, it is a really good bait.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >that sentence structure

          It's a bot, the exact same post format comes up in just about every thread. Seriously lurkmoar

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's a bot, the exact same post format comes up in just about every thread. Seriously lurkmoar
            you nafo bitches are pathetic, and ukraine has lost more like 390k men to a bunch of Russian multiple felons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This cope again

      You really are a dumb fuck aren't you?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The sheer amount of projection in this post is staggering.

      I do love the part where it claims rusisan troop strength in Ukraine hasn't increased despite the 300k mobiks, tho. Given that with all mobikes sent to Ukraine the logical implication here is that you just admitted to 300k russian casualties. LMAO.

      PS: Ukraine is forcing a decisive victory at Bakhmut with every day the city holds and every russian attack wave slaughtered at the average 10:1 casualty ratio favouring the Ukrainians that is the norm there.

      Russian losses are horrifying and both proportionally and in absolute terms massively above those of the Ukrainians. The only thing that is being ground down is the sad, sorry remainder of Russias infantry strength.

      This war will end in the total extermination of all hated russian invaders that pollute holy ukrainian soil with their unclean presence. And if that means the total extermination of the entire military-age male population of Russia, then so be it. The Ukrainians are comfortably on track to achieving this.

      You will be mobilised, Vanya. And you will die at Bakhmut. Deal with it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Delusional

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian losses are 3 to 5 times worse than Ukrainian. You fags are completely delusional.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The gay is literally projecting, like all vatmorons and their cucks do. You can pretty much reverse his arguments, and you'll have the actual situation.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just shows Russians have completely gone psychotic-break. And an enemy that has gone nuts isn't much of a threat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian losses are 3 to 5 times worse than Ukrainian
        may we see the proofs?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wagner fights for control of.........a source of petty cash, lol.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/06/putin-ally-fighting-to-control-salt-and-gypsum-mines-near-ukraine-city-of-bakhmut-says-us

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But here's the thing. Ukraine hasn't fielded every soldier that they've mobilized. There's still A LOT of soldiers that are making their way through training. They'll continue to trickle in as the war goes on. That's what's absolutely bonkers about this war. The Ukrainians are taking time to train and equip their dudes and Russia, just doesn't. At least not in any meaningful way. Ukraine can still pull up more troops too or nationalize the militias that have been fighting this whole time.

      We won't know the true cost of the war until its over. I don't think you're right about the figures though. I'd pick the side with western training and something to lose over hordes of apathetic alcoholics any day. We'll see what happens when it's over. Hopefully you believe the figures that are collected when it's over.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The side fighting in dug in defensive positions are taking vastly more losses than the side charging untrained and unsupported infantry across open fields
      The only thing I can give you is that Ukrainian casualties at Bakhmut are severe, but the idea that the attrition formula is in Russia's favor on this front is delusional.

      Also, wasn't Kherson supposed to be the battle of attrition that would break the Ukrainian armies back?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "Ukraine is running out of men" has been an ongoing vatnik narrative since the Severaldonuts counterattack in june.
        Since then we've seen the Kharkiv, Lyman and Kherson offensives and there is still no sign of Ukraine running out of men.
        Their problem is, and will be, material supplies.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Never 5get the 50,000 AFU members that gave their lives to take Kherson while inflicting 3 casualties on Russia, one of which was a sprained ankle during the hasty gesture of goodwill across the bank of the river.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This war will end, after the Ukraine is unable or unwilling to supply more meat.
      About a million dead North Vietnamese and only 50,000 dead Americans indicate that this is *not* a winning strategy for the invaders in foreign territory.
      Sooner or later the Russians are going to start asking "wtf are we doing here", Ukrainians will never question what they are defending when they're inside their own borders

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        America is a weak decadent country. Russia could take 50,000 dead in a week and it wouldn't matter.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          we know, because they did

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That should be encouraged for the demographic impact. Fighting aged males dead in the mud don't form babby.mTheir deaths have no IMMEDIATE impact, they only impact the distant future but that's the real payoff.

          Federation population is barely over 143 million. It is not the USSR.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russia could take 50,000 dead in a week
          An acceptable proposal. Every week, no backsies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >when they're inside their own borders
        you walked right into that one. they aren't inside their own borders, they're inside russian borders. ukraine is the invader now.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you mentally ill or just trolling?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you retarded? or did you just woke up from a coma?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron, I ain't reading that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >vatnik delusion is genuinely as frail as the their armor plating on their t72s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      russian human waves slaughter is a cope to spin now so when the second most important defensive fortress of Ukraine falls propaganda is ready.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Russians empty their prisons and they use extremely outdated equipment.
      You mean like the newest T-90 variants, the Terminator BMP, the S-400 complex and the Pantsir?
      I guess they really are outdated when you compare them to western equivalents, but is that really what you meant?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >S-400

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This war will end, after the Ukraine is unable or unwilling to supply more meat. This day will approach, Russia will stay in Ukraine until then.
      And Russia will remain under sanctions and live like a third world country until it falls apart again like in the early 90s and you try to be humans again (you'll fail again and again btw, slavs are literally white morons)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fyi the war is over for these reasons you are mentioning. this war is just funneling money around rn imo with monero outpacing bitcoin and income tax not being collected on that we are seeing a very different world come about.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US top brass says that the Russians have over 100k casualties, while Ukraine has a similar amount.
      It doesn't look as good for Ukraine as the #currenthing crowd want to make you believe, considering that Russia has thrice the population and isn't bombed to shit, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
      It's a fight for survival still, but Russia's hands are bound by MANP(ADS/ATS) and Western SAMs and artillery.
      Same goes for Ukraine though. It's a waiting game at this point in time.
      Putin won't be able to hide the bite marks of the sanctions for much longer and the trend for the Russian economy just keeps getting worse.
      We are approaching the point where an entire Russian generation will spend their lives in a recession.
      You thought the 90s were bad, but what comes after Putin dies or gets hanged will make you pray for Stalin to rise from the dead.

      With the Western IFVs things will become a little more dynamic again.
      I wonder what Ukraine will do If Russia opens the North front again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >thrice the population
        It's at ~1/4 ratio

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I wonder what Ukraine will do If Russia opens the North front again.
        guaranteed its a no man's land, laid with mines and fortified structures, it's going to become another bakhmut meatgrinder

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >casualties
        Sure, wounds and such.
        Ukrainians are given good aid and returned to the battlefield after proper rest.
        Russians are not, limb amputations is a go-to remedy, and they are discarded back into Russian "society".
        >I wonder what Ukraine will do If Russia opens the North front again.
        Thank the gods that their opponent is so fucking stupid and that they didn't do something actually useful with their resources, again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s going to have a compounding effect. More drug abuse, more alcoholism, more crime, etc.

        Guys just be greatful you weren’t born Russian.
        Holy shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Genuinely one of the most delusional posts I've seen in a long time. The idea that attrition warfare favors the attacker especially when neither side has a distinct technological advantage is actually insane. The only real logical cope vatniks can hold on to is despite massive losses in manpower an material they still have large stockpiles they can tap into so if vatniks are literally willing to sacrifice a million or more men they might be able to eke out some kind of "victory" or stalemate.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia will be fine in terms of numerical manpower, mobilisation has succeeded in stabilising the lines in terms of preventing a total rout like Karkhiv. Kherson was also a failure but they managed a well-organised retreat. In terms of defense, they're not in too bad of a position. However, poor quality conscripted troops aren't great for offense, so they are probably making a mistake by constantly assaulting Bakhmut and wasting resources that they could conserve to really dig in and prevent any further losses.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's because they have to press the attack in the (futile) hope of forcing Ukraine to just give up (or whatever passes for a "strategy" in those shit-for-brains heads of theirs).

          One year ago the West was still vacillating on whether to help Ukraine at all, by now it's gotten to sending tanks. The amount and variety of materiel will only increase, gradually making Ukraine more powerful. At the same time, Russia is blowing all their material at not getting anywhere. "Dig in and defend" won't work for Russia, Ukraine will come at them sooner or later, and they won't get to pull the NOOKS-card over stolen territory.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's because they have to press the attack in the (futile) hope of forcing Ukraine to just give up (or whatever passes for a "strategy" in those shit-for-brains heads of theirs).
            Who knows what Putin really thinks, but politically he can't back down over taking the Donbas, so he will keep ordering attacks regardless of whether he thinks Ukraine or NATO will ever give up.

            >One year ago the West was still vacillating on whether to help Ukraine at all, by now it's gotten to sending tanks. The amount and variety of materiel will only increase, gradually making Ukraine more powerful. At the same time, Russia is blowing all their material at not getting anywhere. "Dig in and defend" won't work for Russia, Ukraine will come at them sooner or later, and they won't get to pull the NOOKS-card over stolen territory.

            Western supplies are certainly vital to Ukraine, but they aren't a magic bullet to achieving victory. For example, while HIMARS are obviously very useful, their role is overstated. They didn't manage to wipe out the Russians in Kherson who in fact managed to retreat with almost all their men and equipment. That couldn't have happened in HIMARS were as devastating as popular Western opinion says.

            If Russia wasn't throwing resources at Bakhmut they'd be able to conserve ammunition (absolutely vital) and have greater reserves of manpower to move to different fronts as needed.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >popular Western opinion
              I fell like most of himars shilling is not actually western in general but corporate sponsored, like direct marketing by Lockheed Martin to secure more govt contracts for it later on.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/6UA0jCq.jpg

              >popular Western opinion
              I fell like most of himars shilling is not actually western in general but corporate sponsored, like direct marketing by Lockheed Martin to secure more govt contracts for it later on.

              t. increasingly nervous conscript stationed in highly flammable barracks

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                like remember all those blown up redditors all over ukraine that thought they where safe by being hundreds of miles from frontlines, it's just another way to die in any war.
                Some of those LM ads looks like parody stuff out of GTA5...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >like remember all those blown up redditors all over ukraine that thought they where safe by being hundreds of miles from frontlines
                those were 4chantards false-flagging

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                BTW an interview with a guy who was there when it got bombed

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This is where the Russian military fails. They MUST always attack whenever possible. Their massive superiority complex over Ukraine demands it. The Russians have always relied on "Muh Manpower", but the problem is that the Ukrainians are far more eager to kill their enemy. And they have the skills and supplies and MOTIVATION to do it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's psychological.

          Russians are loaded with schizo-tier "Imperial Russia/Greater Russia/MUH USSR" bullshit, and they still think of Ukrainians as backward hicks incapable of independent existence without Russian raping Ukraine every two seconds.

          They are FORCED to shit to defense, but they clearly just view as a temporary thing. They WANT to always attack. They cannot believe they are losing to fucking UKRAINIANS.

          https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a32fdbda-9706-441b-b011-5bc32b70f9ed

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They don't believe they're losing to Ukrainians, the Russian line is that they're directly fighting NATO.

            This has been said ad nauseam, but Bakhmut used to be a key city in the Russian strategy to cauldron the eastern front. The plan was originally to use the momentum from the Lychychanks victory to crush its defenses, which failed miserably, because HIMARS came in at this very moment and shut down Russia's WW1 arty spam tactic instantly.

            Then they lost Izium. And then they lost Lyman. So now, even if they got a super-duper breakthrough, Ukraine can just fall back northward. However, as it stands, Russia struggles to get a foothold in the city, let alone kick out the Ukranians Severodonetsk style.

            Why do they still spent a shameless amount of human life trying to take it? Sunk cost fallacy and above all, Wagner has a contract to take it.

            Good assessment. I think it was Michael Kofman who said that Bakhmut is perceived as being important simply because they've been attacking it for so long.

            I think it's more petty than that.

            Wagner wants the salt and gypsum mines now. It's like a vulture scavenging off a doomed invasion's corpse.

            I say if the city falls, blow the mines. Give Wagner NOTHING but the ruins of a useless urban husk.

            Wagner wouldn't get to dictate military strategy without Putin's approval, their leadership obviously have selfish interests but they are also doing it to show their loyalty. Putin has shown repeatedly that he rewards loyalty before competence, it keeps him in power, but means his top people make some idiotic decisions. I mean, Shoigu is still defense minister and there's been no high-level purge of FSB, despite their enormous failures.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The salt and gypsum mines will also raise funds for the war in general (and line the elites' pockets). They should be destroyed completely if the city falls. No money.

              As for the NATO thing, it keeps blowing up in their faces. Because they REFUSE to accept they're fighting and losing to Ukrainians, they do not understand their enemy at all.

              A fight against Ukraine is not like a fight against NATO. Ukrainians fight to the fucking death, hurting them just makes them more ANGRY. They fight like goddamn Klingons.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In an alternative timeline: The Ukrainians should just abandon bakhmut, place a big big bomb in the mines, wait until all russians have moved into the city and the blow it up, sinking the whole thing 100m deeper.

                Or maybe the russians want to underground nuke the city. That would be k i n o

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > They're directly fighting NATO
              As if. If NATO were actually bringing its real forces to bear there'd have been Abrams in Moscow by June. Ukraine is the fucking tutorial level, and they're losing. NATO is only supplying meager quantities of very outdated weapons (HIMARS is old crap) and it's kicking their asses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd argue in some ways, Ukraine is Hard Mode. Ukrainians are fucking nuts when you think about it.

                >Every Western analyst on Earth: "Your capital is going to fall in 72 hours. Your country will be conquered in mere weeks."
                >Ukraine: "We're not running. Give me bullets! I will fight all by MYSELF!"
                >NATO: "You crazy man?"
                >Ukraine: "I don't need a ride. I need ammo. I am ready to fight the 2nd strongest military on the planet."
                >NATO: "You're only the 22nd strongest military! No one is going to send troops to save you!"
                >Ukraine: "They may take our lives but they'll never take our freedom."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously, we told the Ukrainians they had zero chance of winning conventionally. The Ukrainians called, and they actually took the house on one of the hardest games of military Poker in history. They were deemed to have just the absolute minimum chance of triumph. They pulled it off.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was strange seeing them use ATGMs with arabic interfaces at the start of the war. The USA really thought they would only be able to sustain a middle-eastern style insurgency. But still, Zelensky and his people made big miscalculations, like not preparing for actual war until one week beforehand. Luckily they stopped the Russians reaching Kiev because they apparently thought an attack from the north would only be a feint.

                Considering how ancient HIMARS is, I predict it's only a matter of time before Ukraine makes its own version (that is designed to absolutely zoom away after firing). It will also be built with their winter conditions in mind, designed to fight in absolute absurd cold.

                That would take ages and I doubt the USA will let them manufacture their own entirely independently. Ukraine wants working equipment they can use ASAP.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know. But it would drive a point home to the Russians. The technology that kicked their ass can now be made BY the Ukrainians themselves.

                Fortunately, even a lot of Russians themselves were shocked by the invasion. Many of them didn't even know they were going to actual war, lol.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For whatever you may think of Zelensky; whether he is corrupt, a clown, a homosexual, a plant or whatever the fuck; you have to admit him not running for the fucking hills the second Kiev came under bombardment was some chad shit and may have very well be fully responsible for galvanizing Ukrainian resistance.

                For the life of me I can't think of a lot of national leaders who'd not put "maintaining the national chain of command" and running towards the other side of the country as their first priority.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The crazy fuck went and visited Bakhmut in the middle of the shitstorm there. The man has got to have balls of steel and he clearly knows how to motivate people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not just that, but he had excellent choices in military leaders. Valeriy the overall strategist, and Oleksandr the tactician supreme of Ukraine's ground forces.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Ukraine is the anvil that breaks the Russians, he might be the most important person of the 21st century. Think about it, no Russian aggression for decades at least, no Chinese aggression against Taiwan or the South China Sea, every two bit dictator in the world looking at what the West can do with their castoffs provided they end up with determined people. And a big part of Ukrainian determination is Zelenskyy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no Chinese aggression against Taiwan or the South China Sea,
                oh you sweet summer child

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Western analyst on Earth
                EXCEPT US and UK.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. The actual US and UK intelligence officers know what the fuck they were talking about with the invasion and how things were proceeding.

                Only the fakies and failures who were no longer in the game and fags who wanted to remain anonymous talked shit. FFS it's the same intelligence people who predicted the invasion leading Ukraine in fucking Russia up.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. The US and UK said the invasion was 100% going to happen. They also said the capital would fall very quickly. They were planning for a long insurgency.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering how ancient HIMARS is, I predict it's only a matter of time before Ukraine makes its own version (that is designed to absolutely zoom away after firing). It will also be built with their winter conditions in mind, designed to fight in absolute absurd cold.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. Not at all. Most of the Ukrainian women have left the Ukraine. So the next generation of children being born there will be from what? Not Ukrainian really. Those people couldn't protect their women and their next generation won't exist. The Ukrainian women have left Ukraine FYI!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          desperate vatnik is desperate

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which at current attritional rates will be roughtly in 30 fucking years, you brainlet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what happens when Russia runs out of prisoners? Russia literally sending human waves without armor support. This is just mindless

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what's the point of having human waves if they need armor support?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The copes are evolving

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Many a horrendous battle in time have been fought over worthless hills and valleys. They are just a place where two forces bump into each other and both sides dig in.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the smell come springtime

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia is just desperate for any kind of victory

    This. This is the reason.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      alexa, play desperado

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dead piggies count today?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    at one point, it was because having bakhmut and izyum at the same time was very important
    but at this point I'm pretty sure it's just sunk cost, might as well go for broke or all those deaths didn't matter

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one wants to be the one to say it is a failure because it then becomes entirely their fault. That is just the way it works. It is much easier to continue throwing assets into a bonfire and lying about making progress, so that in turn your superiors can tell the same lie to theirs, than to say "this is retarded lets go home".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The one guy who gets it. This is exactly what it’s like in russia, at every job, at every level. You do roughly what you’re told if you can escape doing it altogether and never tell the boss something is wrong. This is processed up the chain to the top, it all stands on a rotten scaffold frame.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's similar to what a supposed FSB officer told a western journalist. He said FSB are sometimes tasked with assessing hypothetical scenarios like "How would the country do if there was a meteor strike." Because it's a bullshit hypothetical they say "Everything will work out fine because Russia is so amazing" which keeps the superiors happy and they can go back to their real work, never thinking the analyses would be used for anything. But the invasion of Ukraine was one of those hypotheticals and Putin's inner circle took the ridiculously optimistic FSB assessments at face value.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's similar to what a supposed FSB officer told a western journalist. He said FSB are sometimes tasked with assessing hypothetical scenarios like "How would the country do if there was a meteor strike." Because it's a bullshit hypothetical they say "Everything will work out fine because Russia is so amazing" which keeps the superiors happy and they can go back to their real work, never thinking the analyses would be used for anything. But the invasion of Ukraine was one of those hypotheticals and Putin's inner circle took the ridiculously optimistic FSB assessments at face value.

        The issue is not just a lack of pre-war planning, but also that the russian leadership seems to be actively ignoring that they waging a war and have no interest in organizing things.
        For example, a few days ago they sold out a factory that did could fix 400ish APCs per year(in the middle of a supposedly existential conflict that will define the fate of Russia), and that are several tales of conscripts with no training being shoved inside a T-64 and send to the front, something that not even WW2 Soviet Union did in its direst moments.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >existential conflict that will define the fate of Russia
          This war is much bigger deal in west than in Russia. Globohomo media pumping is super intense or at least was since war basically ended on twitter.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is that because the west is allowed to talk about it, and call it what it is, without being detained and forced to die in the frontlines

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the west is allowed to talk about it
              It's only the globohomo media and bots. Notice how war disappeared from twitter frontpage with elon banning bots while before that it was shoveled down your throat.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like the algorithm changed or something...
                I still see it fairly regularly and Ukraine related stuff trends every now and then too. Part of why you don't see much is nothing's really going on. Trending seems to be back to actually being statistics related rather than what the purple haired landwhales decide is important which was 100% the case before.

                >Honestly don't know why I haven't filtered that yet
                Maybe you should go to reddit if you can't stand different opinions and want to be surrounded by people who think the same as you.
                Globohomo is real thing, I would say it's endgame political goal of democrats.

                Different opinions are fine, flailing retards are annoying. It's a very rare thing when a post with any of the usual 4chanack buzzwords is worth a shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's only the globohomo media and bots
                no it's anyone who desires to talk about it, because we have free speech

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >anyone who desires to talk about it
                corporations and govt are not persons and outside of few losers with nothing to do on PrepHole and reddit no one really cares

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                whatever you have to tell yourself

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No one really cares
                You don't have a job, don't go outside, don't socialize and likely don't have a gf. In what fucking WORLD are you living in where the only people who care about the war are "some losers on PrepHole and reddit". Like genuinely have you gone outside at all in the past year?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, Elon just removed the "current events" tracker which had "The War In Ukraine" on it in perpetuity

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Globohomo
            Honestly don't know why I haven't filtered that yet. Would axe like half the 4chanacks and a bunch of vatniks in one go.

            This war is a huge deal in Russia because if they lose it's a massive embarrassment and creates an immediate threat to the current people in power. As long as Ukraine refuses their offers and refuses to even give a square meter they can't claim they've won. If they don't even take Donbabwe and Luganda and lose entirely it would be catastrophic. Every time there's a major political change in Russia it comes out of them getting their asses handed to them.

            In the west it's a big deal because Russia just decided to invade a neighbor, make a bunch of threats to everyone in the area, and even bring up nukes. The Russians are still trying to act like hot shit and dropping the occasional threat. It's not because we want to turn Ukraine into a bunch of gays and trannies. Russian belligerence will result in us getting a new ally that we can make better and stronger while Russia is irreversibly weakened losing huge amounts of weaponry and equipment as well as men of all ages but especially military age men. They're also losing "friends" over this. Meanwhile we're probably getting long term access to a port or two in the Black Sea out of the lend lease and will be first in line to help them rebuild. Stellar excuse for getting rid of a bunch of outdated stuff while getting invaluable data on our oldest enemy in the process too. Unlike Russia, NATO, especially the US, can replace what it gives.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Honestly don't know why I haven't filtered that yet
              Maybe you should go to reddit if you can't stand different opinions and want to be surrounded by people who think the same as you.
              Globohomo is real thing, I would say it's endgame political goal of democrats.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If I wanted to be on 4chan I'd be on 4chan.

                You fags simply can't accept that nobody values your dogshit opinions or wants to hear more of them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's undemocratic anon.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Having a black sea port alone will be quite the prize. We're going to make Ukraine's coast an absolute fortress. Shipyards on top of shipyards.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia already had a Black Sea port with Crimea, which was a bloodless success, they didn't need to invade. Putin really shat the bed with this invasion, he obviously didn't want a real war and expected it to proceed like the Soviet invasion of Czechslovakia. Which was retarded because Ukraine is far bigger, he invaded with far fewer men, and Ukraine is backed by the West with their intelligence apparatus.

                For whatever you may think of Zelensky; whether he is corrupt, a clown, a homosexual, a plant or whatever the fuck; you have to admit him not running for the fucking hills the second Kiev came under bombardment was some chad shit and may have very well be fully responsible for galvanizing Ukrainian resistance.

                For the life of me I can't think of a lot of national leaders who'd not put "maintaining the national chain of command" and running towards the other side of the country as their first priority.

                Zelensky is great at propaganda due to his background in media and running a populist campaign for president. He knows exactly what will look good and could tell that running would destroy morale. However, he has zero militart knowledge and his propagandistic side can be a liability, such as asking for NATO strikes on Russia, claiming the Ukrainian anti-air missile in Poland was Russian, and announcing that there will be gigantic offensives that recpature everything including Crimea.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia already had a Black Sea port with Crimea
                They even had it before they invaded. Ukraine wasn't going to kick them out, but this was never about a warm water port, it's about fixing their demographic time bomb and their waning geopolitical influence.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't matter. Russia is not France or Germany, Russia is strong and won WW1, WW1 tactics will win against soft west with overengineered weapons and soldiers that don't want to die.
    And the above is an actual statement I've encountered IRL.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao I was about to post >russia won ww1 LMAO before I finished reading

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia won WW1

      Your government collapsed, lol.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >salt being important
    >somewhat near Odessa
    >lots of people dying
    >nukes being threatened
    Hmm.
    Anyone seen White Base by chance?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AAAAAAAAAAAAH

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how the fuck are russian advancing tho ?
    after a year Ukraine has more, better trained and better equipped troops while russian have lost almost all air support and are now relying on mobilized civilians
    it doesn't make any sense that they are able to take ground at all

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are they advancing? How many times have we heard Bahkmut is being encircled or at the brink of being taken? This fight has been going on for almost the entire war.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        advance on Soledar is undeniable
        also wtf is Ukraine plan ?
        just hold on forever ?
        with all the shit they received they haven't accomplished that much tbh

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >also wtf is Ukraine plan ?
          >just hold on forever ?
          Why stop your enemy when he's making a mistake? Russia is bleeding men and resources it can't replace. Meanwhile whatever Ukraine loses it can easily get more of from NATO. Ukraine is taking loses sure but no where near to the extent Russia is. This strategy is exactly how they were able to take Kherson and Kharkiv. Russia ran out of troops and supplies to properly defend the cities and were forced to retreat
          >Haven't accomplished much
          They are literally winning the war

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          18 HIMARS and a bunch of manpads you mean? Seems like they're doing alright. A few hundred IFV's might help though. Still less than half the number of IFV's that Russians have already lost.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Haven't accomplished much

          They're locked a lot of you idiots in place, lol. You're bleeding manpower....to capture a fucking SALT MINE.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Deliberate expenditure of undesirables can remove a large portion of the (lower) gopnik criminal classes and buy time (however stupidly used).

            Their actions on PrepHole along with their retarded brownoid shills and the odd trailer trash retarded burger show why Putin does not consider them a loss. Those resisting can also be conscripted at gun point direct from the prisons. These are bipedal cattle and the least intelligent fall to the bottom of vatnick society. They're not moskals so no one mourns them and they don't care for each other because they're criminal scum. More vatniks can be arrested to refill their prisons and after a good spitroasting they'll drool more semen than a yawning Serb. Wagner offers opportunity to top instead of bottom which they will take.

            For the cost of an old rifle a uniform and little else Russia gets troops worth less than the surplus frags used to kill them. These are Chinese economics.
            Other conscripts from backward groups dying removes potential opposition. They won't be able to put their experience to use except by decomposing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Defending is something you do to force a stalemate, trading lives for land, and then you attrite more, and then you win.
          Do you think the Nazis won because they pushed all the way to Moscow kek

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they haven't accomplished that much tbh
          post hostomel, chernihiv, sumy, kharkiv, izium, lyman, and kherson.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are not advancing. They are throwing waves upon waves of wagner and mobiks at fortified positions making WW1 tier gains over few weeks then ukies take it back in few days and everything repeats.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bingo. Taking territory is not the same as HOLDING it.

        What's the point of running 10 miles in 10 minutes, if you're so exhausted afterwards, you totally fall apart when told, "Now run ANOTHER 10 miles in 10 minutes."

        Russians can grab spots, but they're so bloodied by the act, they're knocked back afterward.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they are gaining ground fairly rapidly in the last few days
        even pro Ukrainian are saying it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvl8g1OYqW8&ab_channel=DenysDavydov
        it feel a lot more decisive that anything from the past months

        18 HIMARS and a bunch of manpads you mean? Seems like they're doing alright. A few hundred IFV's might help though. Still less than half the number of IFV's that Russians have already lost.

        they revived a lot more than that, every Ukrainian is equipped with the latest gear

        >Haven't accomplished much

        They're locked a lot of you idiots in place, lol. You're bleeding manpower....to capture a fucking SALT MINE.

        I'm not russian
        I'm just seeing the situation deteriorate rapidly in the last few days

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, the war is going so well for Russia they've cracked down on reporting on the war, lol.

          https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-russia-cracks-down-on-military-reporting

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean Ukraine literally did the same several time ...
            that just mean russia might be able to learn something after a year of this mess

            Funny. Professional analysis says the Russian forces are approaching the point they can no longer continue.

            Which means they're not going to be capable of HOLDING what they seize from Ukrainian counter-attack.

            And why are you ignoring the situation in Kreminna? If Kreminna falls, the supply lines to the Russians in that area are fucking CUT. Then the whole house of cards collapses.

            there are no news on Kreminna
            and it still doesn't change the fact that russia being able to even advance make no sense if they were so close to collapse

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No news on Kreminna

              You walked right into that one, lol.

              3:50:

              >Makes no sense Russians can even advance

              Well I never prided Russians on their abundance of common sense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Funny. Professional analysis says the Russian forces are approaching the point they can no longer continue.

          Which means they're not going to be capable of HOLDING what they seize from Ukrainian counter-attack.

          And why are you ignoring the situation in Kreminna? If Kreminna falls, the supply lines to the Russians in that area are fucking CUT. Then the whole house of cards collapses.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukrainian offensives focus more on quick, mobilized warfare while Russia is an artillery based army. Right now with everything being muddy, Ukraine can't launch any major offensives. Meanwhile for Bakhmut, mud doesn't matter as much since they're advancing like 500m

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >russian advancing tho ?
      Ukraine had net positive advance for every month since September

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians bashed their own heads in too much.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >more
      Possibly, but difficult to tell, especially after their recent mobilization that plugged a lot of holes in the front. Also, local superiority.
      >better trained
      It probably depends on the unit.
      >better equipped
      Not really, their equipment is at best on-par with Russians. They need more advanced western weaponry that isn't artillery.
      >russian have lost almost all air support
      They're just afraid to fly it to avoid losing more of it. They don't have air superiority, but both sides still fly missions sometimes.

      The Russians put enough manpower and firepower in one place and they will keep advancing. One thing they have the upper hand in is attritional warfare, which is worrisome.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Salt mines you absolute retard

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That photo has dead Ukrainians, the artillery pattern is clearly russian.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good point.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if it wasn't so important, why do Ukrainian insurgents still die for it ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      free xp

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are you defending your sovereign territory? Why arent you just letting us take it? There must be more to this!

      What the fuck logic is this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1. Because it's better to have the fighting done in a low value area than a higher value area like Kramatorsk if at all possible.
      2. The geography makes it easily defensible.
      3. Because the Russians are dumb enough to fight for it.
      4. Because the Ukrainians are inflicting horrendous attritional damage on the Russians in Bakhmut, so why fix what isn't broken?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as i see it vatniks want to claim the town, and since its position is good for defence, ukies decided to stand there, exchanging 1 soldier per 20 vatmorons
      this is great ratio, and the time works for ukies anyway, because they get more weapon and their troops are better trained, while Puccia is emptying the last reserves.
      im pretty sure when the whole town will be destroyed they will retreat and take another good position to defend
      and destroyed town isnt the good position for vatmorons to defend
      at some point of time ukies will take it back, but with bradleys and paladins

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also reality is beginning to set in for Wagner's recruits. Not only is morale sinking, but the prisoners in Russia are starting to figure out a basic fact, "It's better to stay in prison and not sign up."

        Diminishing returns. There AREN'T limitless convicts for Russia to send to war. They're figuring out, "Hey, nobody's coming back from this."

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I doubt the Russian prisoners are aware, unless rumors are spreading underground.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A lot of prisoners will have smartphones and will be on Telegram

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Telegram
              Where Russia is apparently winning.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1. Because it's better to have the fighting done in a low value area than a higher value area like Kramatorsk if at all possible.
      2. The geography makes it easily defensible.
      3. Because the Russians are dumb enough to fight for it.
      4. Because the Ukrainians are inflicting horrendous attritional damage on the Russians in Bakhmut, so why fix what isn't broken?

      5. Sun Tsu said "When an enemy is making a mistake, do not interrupt him.....even if he keeps making the same mistake over and over and over again for months on end."

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why? 12 mil bottles of wine

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it so hard to take a hole? Why can’t they just make a hole?

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You retards realize mass killing plebs via warfare is part of the plan to draw down world population from 8 billion to 0.5 billion ...right?

    >Tons of pointless casualties in a needlessly bloody war
    that means it's working, brought to you by Raytheon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >less Slav dudes
      >more Slav chicks
      That’s fine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That DOES argue for killing the worthless bottom feeders off. If true it's a fine idea. Not even gopniks miss each other so no one will miss you.

      Russia has every traditional right to expend their lower classes. Anyone familiar with same would be glad of their deaths.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How is mass killing of russian prisoners going to reduce the world population by billions? There aren't enough russians and ukrainians to even kill for that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice stock tip. Beats AMC.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    sage

    A salt mine and a gypsum mine belonging to the guy who owns wager

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is the place where the God Emperor of Mankind entered the relm of Chaos to steal the Gods powers and now Prigrozhin Loonycal seeks the same power.

    Prolly just looking for a victory of anykind and some political shit : look ma, only I made progress!!!

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck is so important in Bahkmut that Russia willing to hemorrhage so much men and material for it?

    Nothing. Modern russian doctrine is focused on grinding down the opponent while preserving its own forces, and bakhmut is a half-cauldron where the ukies march in battalion after battalion for killing. All this is made possible by russian artillery supremacy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're confused because Russians sometimes look white, so you attribute to them white qualities, like intelligence, respect for life, etc.. Once you understand how your biases affect your thinking and realize they're just slants with better PR, it makes sense.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Feed me r*ssians

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im still having a hard time processing the fact that this war went from "Kiev is about to fall to elite paratrooper units" to "we captured two houses in the middle of nowhere using our penal battalions"

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Children hostage status: Liberated.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a trap for the Ukrainians.
    >Send convict recruits and mercenaries and people with no prospects in society
    >Send them against well trained and prepared Ukrainian defendants
    >Kill all your useless canon fodder and grind down Ukraine's best soldiers in the process

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And then when historians look back on this war, they'll have a slight, but not complete, understanding as to how Russia could possibly fuck up a war so bad that they had more casualties in only a few months than America had throughout the entirety of both Vietnam and Afghansitan combined.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This anon is right. I distinctly remember how successfully Russia caught Ukrainians in the Kherson trap!

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's le monke's Stalingrad. If Pussians didn't cared about it before after the Zelensky visit they do now.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why don't they air drop chest high walls so soldiers can have cover

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2ch told me these are dead Ukranians. How is one to know?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they're out in a field they're Russians. Ukes are in the city.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just go around the city?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They could if they had Izyum

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're sort of trying to encircle it by attacking settlements to the north and south, but progress there has been extremely slow as well. However, they're making some progress, having recently taken Bakhmutske after several months of fighting. It seems like they're trying to encircle and head-on assault at the same time.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why no paratroopers above kiev

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so has the narrative officially switched from
    >ruZZia will NEVER capture Bakhmut!
    to
    >lmaooo RuZZia can only capture Bakhmut?? it wasn't important anyway and they lost approximately 17 trillion men in the attempt, they will run out of soldiers in two weeks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know anon maybe you should learn to read?Let's start with the word "try".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know, has Bakhmut officially switched from vatnik slaughterpit to vatnik victory?

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a political objective, the Russians said in March that the aim of the Special Military Operation is to capture the Donbas (Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts) - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-first-phase-ukraine-operation-mostly-complete-focus-now-donbass-2022-03-25/

    Bakhmut is the next essential target if Russia wants to achieve that. It's a transport hub with multiple major roads leading to it and it's essential to control it to reach Kramatorsk and Slovyansk, the largest settlements remaining under Ukrainian control in Donetsk oblast. Additionally, the assault on Bakhmut is lead by the private military company Wagner, headed by Yevgeny Prigozhin who is obviously angling for more power and influence. They're using convicts who are seen as expendable for human wave attacks to grind down the Ukrainian defenders. If he can deliver Bakhmut for Putin, his prestige goes up, so he has a vested interest in continuing the attack no matter the human cost.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unfortunately for Wagner's leader, the Russian military fucking hates him and is definitely trying to get the glory instead.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What the fuck is so important in Bahkmut
    Nothing, only Wagner is fighting there. No regular Russian or even separatist troops, they're only providing background support and logistics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So ruskies side is made of lpr separatists, dpr separatist, regular ruskies military, ruskies conscripts, wagner contractors and wagner convicts.
      How is ukrop side structured, I guess it's not one homogeneous body?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This has been said ad nauseam, but Bakhmut used to be a key city in the Russian strategy to cauldron the eastern front. The plan was originally to use the momentum from the Lychychanks victory to crush its defenses, which failed miserably, because HIMARS came in at this very moment and shut down Russia's WW1 arty spam tactic instantly.

    Then they lost Izium. And then they lost Lyman. So now, even if they got a super-duper breakthrough, Ukraine can just fall back northward. However, as it stands, Russia struggles to get a foothold in the city, let alone kick out the Ukranians Severodonetsk style.

    Why do they still spent a shameless amount of human life trying to take it? Sunk cost fallacy and above all, Wagner has a contract to take it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it's more petty than that.

      Wagner wants the salt and gypsum mines now. It's like a vulture scavenging off a doomed invasion's corpse.

      I say if the city falls, blow the mines. Give Wagner NOTHING but the ruins of a useless urban husk.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seriously, now that we know what Wagner really wants, we can HURT them with it.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/06/putin-ally-fighting-to-control-salt-and-gypsum-mines-near-ukraine-city-of-bakhmut-says-us

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you no understand

    bakhmut has many anomalie n artifakt

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >"We can't accept defeat from the swine people"

    Clearly Russians STILL don't get it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >accept defeat
      All shitposters here are like if war is in Russia and not Onkraine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't matter - if you step into my house and I behead you, I win and you lose.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          very edgy anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I capitulate. You can count this as another online win.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't understand what's hidden in the mines of Bakh'mut. There's something deep down in the salt mines that can change the course of the war. A tool so fearsome and powerful, the Ukranians have kept it sealed for centuries.
    It's the dark Orb, which has the power to shake the world to its core, if brought to the Zone and paired with the prime Orb (pictured here).

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Only the weak fear reddit spacing Ivan, the strong simply reply with facts.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the Russians are attempting a Verdun, from the German perspective, where the main objective is to bleed the opponent dry. But it looks like it is backfiring this time too.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In one way it is a sunk cost fallacy.
    Russians wasted so many lives there, they might as well send in the next wave to take the city for real this time.

    It is also a political power play by Wagner since they are at odds with other factions within the Russian military and high command. Wagner has an easier time replenishing their units due to recruiting conscripts and presumably foreigners as well. Casualties mean even less to Wagner than the regular Russian military.

    Additionally Russia claims it is more of a meat grinder for Ukranians than Russians. The exact casualties of either side are up to speculation apart from the fact that they are heavy for both.

    To sum it up: A mix of ego, political backstabbing and copium keeps the Bakhmut battle going for Russia.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >heavy for both
      I keep wondering if it's really true. Nobody really knows what the real numbers are, but don't attackers typically take more casualties?

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    He left a few weeks ago to visit some (fake) war widows

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >None of this makes any sense
    Only if you buy the casualty figures being propagated by the other side.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It connects Donetsk and Lushank together. Thus is necessary pushing grounds.

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