>weird racial fetishization propaganda gets spammed all over the place for years >it’s now in the common consciousness to the point people joke about it a lot >OOKH OOKH MUTT MUTT MUTT AMERIKKKA REEEEEE
Either F-16s have been quietly deployed, Su-34 pilots are just getting stupidly overconfident, or they ran out of KABs and are back to using regular gravity bombs.
Apparently the glide bombs aren't super accurate at range and aren't always in supply. Pilots have been trying to toss bomb for a while but may have been ordered to launch closer ground attack runs to improve accuracy. >Russians are desperate to make frontline gains so they're trying to leverage their airpower advantage. But that's bringing their planes in range of more AA systems and putting more costly assets at risk of big boy SAM systems like the S-200 catching them, which is what happened with the A-50. Most likely to do with the apelections in russia coming up.
Yeah I think this is the case plus those attacks on avdicka have taken a large toll so the lines are a bit shaky so air support is essential to keep balance.
You would think by now someone high up in the Russian air force would just have issued a general directive to the tune of "HOLY FRICK STOP IT GROUND THE PLANES GUYS"
They need to get a PR win, so that means using aircraft to attack positions with bombs, which means they're lost. What does it matter if they lose 5, 10, 100 aircraft if they can claim they took X and great success?
>putin breathing down everyone’s neck >i gotta look good to get that big promotion >my subordinates all trying to take glory and my job >wa-i mean glorious special military operation has gone on too long, being cautious will only make putin madder
It’s really a lose-lose situation the more you think about it.
Is lies, komrade, Ukraine is so weak and pathetic generous mother Russia shot down own plane to give them even battlefield. Putin is very honorable, always values fairness
>getting your airforce shot down by S-200s complimented by Patriots providing cover
everyday I wish strelkov was still here. His takes over the last 6 months would be have divine.
"On Wednesday morning, a series of posts were published on Morozov's channel in which he said he intended to take his own life. He asked his readers "not to be sad" about his death, and requested that he be buried in the self-proclaimed "Luhansk People's Republic" in Ukraine's Donbas region."
He knows that his own people are starting to doubt the evil nazi/nato invasion narative, what normally follows is that the old king gets thrown out the fricking window and a new king is chosen.
Putin figured that if Navalny is dead they cant replace him.
Every russian who diagrees with putin's kgb regime is a "foreign agent", just as in Soviet Russia. Even Beria became a British spy when it was time to get rid of him, lol.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Every russian who diagrees with putin's kgb regime is a "foreign agent"
And when monkes time finally comes and they hang him on the red square everyone will be shocked disgusted to learn that he has been working for the CIA all along.
>maybe the green dwarf from kiev is next?
what did he mean by this? is this their version of the little green men meme?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Zelensky is a Slavic masculine surname. >Its Russian spelling Зeлeнcкий is romanized Zelenski, Zelenskii, Zelenskiy, or Zelensky, and originates from the toponym Zelyonoe (Зeлёнoe), meaning 'green'.
Because Putin wants to ensure that the coming "election" is rigged in his favor as much as possible even though he's guaranteed to win anyways. He has to manufacture the illusion that he was unanimously reelected.
Anon they locked him up in some siberian gulag, he simply dropped from exhaustion one day. There was no need for a traditional bullet to the back of the head.
They kept his body locked so the traces of novichok would disappear. The timing was just too perfect for a sudden death.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The timing is actually not great for Putin. Navalny was not running in the election, and this makes Putin look even more tyranical.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The election is a sham. Why are you even trying to pretend otherwise? There's 0% of a chance that Putin loses it.
Do you think this is subversion? It's just you barking nonsense.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There isn't a 0% chance, actually. There has been a claim that Putin will 'lose' the election to the guy, the guy will then call for the war to be over and recall the forces and THEN Putin will 'uncover' that the West/Anglos hacked the election/manipulated the election/rigged the election to make Putin lose, at which point Putin is made president again and he can bow out of the war stating goals were achieved and he isn't a war monger and all is good now.
Extremely unlikely, but it was a plan.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, of course its a sham election. But every dictator ever that bothered with elections at least tried a little bit to make them look legit. The Navalny murder doesnt help in that sense. Thats why I doubt he ordered it.
But Putin might be dumber than I thought. I was in the camp that called the American warnings of invasion in 2022 fake news. I just didnt think Russia would gain anything from the war. So I have been wrong before.
3 months ago
Anonymous
if the war went the way they wanted they would have gotten a lot, national prestige, a relatively intact industrial base, a shit ton of grain, complete black sea access, another buffer against NATO, ect. The problem was they fricked up and now are stuck in this shitty quagmire with almost no support and not much to show for it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Literally no reason to start a war other than to flex your military might. Russia had very little to gain vs tons to lose.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>if the war went the way they wanted they would have gotten a lot
A lot of hassle, lol.
Even if they'd pulled off a decapitation strike, what we've seen so far is that the average Ukrainian is, compared to the average Russian, orders of magnitude less apathetic, less easily cowed, and willing to fight back tooth and nail against an unwelcome invader. Occupying a nation of 40,000,000 unwilling subjects of the Russkiy Mir is already a massive undertaking, but can you imagine what crazy shit Alternate Universe No-Limits Completely-Off-The-Fricking-Chain Budanov would be up to?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, a successful decapitation strike would have presumed they were right and Ukrainian didn't really care enough to fight. It pretty much requires a different timeline.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But Putin might be dumber than I thought.
Have you watched the Tucker interview? Putin's a grade A moron with autism.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But every dictator ever that bothered with elections at least tried a little bit to make them look legit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've seen a theory that disappearance of Navalny few weeks ago was testing the ground to check reactions in case he dies.
Most recent Russian polls showed that most Russians have negative opinion on Navalny.
Putting him in that prison was already a death sentence, the issue was how to drag it in time so that people lose interest
Pynya is very paranoid those days and plays his cards very safe - even obvious controlled opposition candidates were ordered to drop out of the presidential race or were removed on technicalities.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Its pretty straight forward when you think about it: >put political opponent in jail, this causes some outrage, those people you arrest >wait for a while to let things settle, some people forget, some people shrug their shoulders and move on, but others still care >kill the jailed political opponent >everyone who riots/protests are the ones who still cared, now you can arrest them too >everyone left over no longer cares or once did but moved on for the safety of their lives/having their will crushed >so now everybody left over no longer opposes you
That's the idea, at least.
I think the major issues that Russians have is they are so blasted by various propaganda they still don't fully realize there is no hope whatsoever in protest. The only way they can break free is fomenting a rebellion, and actual generations of trauma have smashed the capability of such thought from them. I'd be surprised if the word still existed in their lexicon (half joking).
They are utterly incapable of not working within the rigged system. Its the same reason mobiks make video appeals to Putin despite him being the ultimate commander of the military. Bad boyars, good czar.
3 months ago
Anonymous
> They kept his body locked so the traces of novichok would disappear
He was officially considered "terrorist", so his body was not supposed to be returned to relatives or his place of burial made public.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wow, and just for the appropriate amount of time that it takes traces of poison to wear off. That's radical, my dude.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They wouldn't have killed him on purpose before the elections.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You keep barking this glavset hogwash over and over and it still makes no sense. How could this be happening to you? You followed the script like they told you.
Because Putin wants to ensure that the coming "election" is rigged in his favor as much as possible even though he's guaranteed to win anyways. He has to manufacture the illusion that he was unanimously reelected.
Navalny could have died years ago or he could have died years from now, the conditions he was kept in ensured that he would die, but the specifics of when were coincidental.
From Putin's POV this is actually one of the worse times it could have happened with the election coming soon, hence they are being heavy-handed about the funeral and really any recognition of Navalny at all. Remember that what Putin wants above all is for everyone in Russia to not give a frick about politics or politicians, even including him, just to be content worker drones.
>From Putin's POV this is actually one of the worse times it could have happened with the election coming soon
These glavset wienerlets are a fricking riot. This bag of smegma is implying that the elections aren't completely under his control, somehow.
Burn Russia to the fricking ground, erase all record of their existence from the history books. Summarily execute anyone who speaks Russian in public.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How many times does it need to be explained
I feel like I've done it ten times on this board
Just because Putin can't lose the election doesn't mean there's no such thing as a good election or bad election for Putin
A good election is one where people basically believe even if it was a fair election he would have won anyway and nobody is even talking about other candidates
A bad election is one where he needs to arrest and kill all the opposition and very obviously fake the results such that your average serf can tell it's all bullshit
This shit matters to Putin
Same reason he killed Prigozhin after taking all his power, same reason Murz was murdered despite being a frothing at the mouth nationalist imperialist. Men like Putin do not want people who can compete with them on popularity, even if they're patriots. And people like Putin use murder to communicate to the masses that there's no hope resisting, I can do whatever you want, so shut up and study your shoes, peasant.
>Novichok in the 1980s >Does not register on Western chemical detection equipment. Perfect deniability. >Novichok in the 2020s >I, Vladimir Putin, have ordered this person assassinated for personal reasons.
3 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair, there is merit to having a plausibly deniable "I have murdered this person".
ITK here, the reason was because Putin wants to remind people what happens to people who cross him just before the elections. This is to remind people who vote for the 'other guy' who is running on an anti-war campaign (controlled opposition, but 'opposition' nonetheless) that if you do, you too could be sent to die in a gulag and be slowly poisoned (he was being slowly poisoned and not treated for months). Remember, this is not an election, this is a referrendum on the war. It is also a way to out potential critics, protesters and general opposition. Those who vote for somebody not-Putin are named and monitored and made sure they're not a threat and are quietly removed if they are.
Considering the way the winds are blowing, wouldn't Putin want being voted out as a potential way to leave his failing war for someone else to solve (and inevitably lose)? He could quietly disappear from the public eye and retire.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's what I said here
There isn't a 0% chance, actually. There has been a claim that Putin will 'lose' the election to the guy, the guy will then call for the war to be over and recall the forces and THEN Putin will 'uncover' that the West/Anglos hacked the election/manipulated the election/rigged the election to make Putin lose, at which point Putin is made president again and he can bow out of the war stating goals were achieved and he isn't a war monger and all is good now.
Extremely unlikely, but it was a plan.
but he wouldn't retire, he'd get back in when the guy who 'won' is outed as having cheated. So he can not only get the double whammy of getting out of the war, but also reinforcing his propaganda that the West/Anglo's are out to get poor ickle Russia.
>ITK here, the reason was because Putin wants to remind people what happens to people who cross him just before the elections. >It's about sending a message.
This is exactly right - Putin's Russia is a mafia state. Where you get it wrong is that the election isn't an election, it's a slightly unusual national holiday with some weird traditions like "voting," that are purely ceremonial and inconsequential.
It's a KGB power play move. Monke basically pissed into the face of all "oppositional" people in russia right before the election circus, as well as foreigners. Like wacha gonna do about it? Demoralize people and shit. It's not like EU and US would find the balls to officially not recognize him as legal ruler of russia after the bogus elections in March. Hurr-durr we need to have an off ramp and shit.
To send a message, elections are coming up. It's important to remind what would if anyone would dare to think about rising up and challenging putin, beyond the planted fake opposition that mainly exists to make putin seem more reasonable and give the veneer of a legitimate system.
It's too confusing to remember who all your enemies are. You have to get rid of the excess so you don't forget about him and accidently let him out to cause problems later.
Best guess I have is that the russian army has been ordered to capitalize on the ukrainian shell shortage, so they over-extend and get punished. The vanguard needs air support, which puts the jets in a vulnerable position.
I mean the Su-34 could never anyway, its an attack aircraft, and fricking massive, very nearly as long as an F111 and far fatter, bigger wings and engines.
>we need something that can seat two pilots next to each other with elbow room and probably a shitter and break room in the back, also it needs to be able to fly halfway around the world and cruise at Mach 1.6, also it needs to have a frick ton of hard points, also it needs to be able to do a barrel roll.
The most likely scenario I've heard is Ukraine got another Patriot battery and put this one balls to the wall close to the frontlines.
I know very little about air defense though.
visegrad is non-credible but somewhat credible war_monitor_ua also talks about this.
Ru milbloggers are busy with the A-50 which makes sense since this is the far more important loss.
that would make way more sense, if modern russian fighter jets are falling to 1960s era soviet junk anti air missiles i would be extremely confused. The A-50 wouldnt have any way to save its self. I cant wait to see a Guideline get a kill in this war!
F35s are like the CRVs of the jet world now, just fat bloated shapeless blobs. SU and F16 still have sexy sharp edges and lines like a knife, they even look dangerous and menacing. F35 looks like something the air force uses to get groceries. Plus they're unreliable shitpiles at this point.
They're only unreliable in edge cases, there are almost 1000 F-35s and Israel is using them pretty well. Also sexy belly, grocery getters don't have sexy bellies
>1950 >Soviets and Americans fly their manned jetfighters near each other’s air space as a show of power and instigation >2023 >Russia flies their manned jetfighter against American scout drone >2065 >Russia flies their manned jetfighter against American nanobot swarm
I don’t get it. It seems that Russia is gaining some slow momentum through attrition war and western support is in a perilous state due to the all elections this year, yet BBC Puccia decides that now it’s time to risk tons of extremely hard to replace air assets?
>1 plane >implying I’m worried
I’m not worried about Russia losing planes, quite the opposite. Just wondering what the frick are they doing, losing something like 9 planes including one AWACS in a week, even though I certainly don’t mind it if they continue like this.
Sorry, you're correct. The actual number of aircraft losses was over 12,500
3 months ago
Anonymous
so will the russian populace finally convince russian brass to end the war due to unpopularity like america in vietnam? or more purges
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anyone calling for an end to the war will be sent to the front or defenestrated. I don't think Igor Girkin is long for this world.....
Anyone have one of those old maps detailing who would take control of which part of Russia when the inevitable civil war happens? I wanna see whose still alive
>The US lost more aircraft in Vietnam than Russia ever built in total
That's not the flex you think it is. By the way, do you think that second a-50 crew were killed when their plane was hit, or did they have time to scream and beg God to save them before they got smeared into a red paste on impact?
>The US lost more aircraft in Vietnam than Russia ever built in total >>My guy, The US lost 14 aircraft IN TOTAL during desert storm. Superpowers aren't supposed to be losing jets like this.
Do you not see that your post is the reason for what happened in Desert Storm? Major combatants are supposed to learn from bad outcomes in war and improve for the next one.
I told you, total zigger death, time to 100% the Russian airforce because that was part of the deal for NATO support and Russian APC death is nearly complete. The number for Russian personnel in pic related id dead by the way, it does not include wounded
Budanov's weird skinny fat second chin always throws me off. He's got such an uncanny appearance. I guess its perfect for such a stone cold dude that he also looks off putting.
he has nearly no chin and clearly struggles with his weight
he seems to try and manage his weight and does indeed have the eyes of a stone cold motherfricker though
A planes range and a missiles range are additive anon. F-16 also mogs anything russia can put in the air generally, and will fill in Ukrainian "any modern jets at all please" requirements.
Man, first the black sea fleet, now the airforce. This war is like seeing a bear try to kill a pig and get slowly eaten feet first whilst it frantically scratches
>aircrafts aren't that valuable that every single loss deserves their own thread
Were there active production lines for the aircraft(s), or production lines for the replacement thereof, sure.
But there are not, to say nothing of the professional, experienced, and veteran staff lost, and the inability to replace that.
Also AWACS dying is rare. VERY rare. That alone, even ignoring everything else, makes this interesting.
>IL-22 last time landed heavily damaged apparently.
That was disinfo by russia. People on board of IL-22 were confirmed dead. It didn't land for shit, otherwise we'd have real photos instead of fake photoshopped crap.
>IL-22 last time landed heavily damaged apparently.
That was disinfo by russia. People on board of IL-22 were confirmed dead. It didn't land for shit, otherwise we'd have real photos instead of fake photoshopped crap.
>IL-22 last time landed heavily damaged apparently.
under own power?
there were 2 photoshops, once to remove watermark, once to add on a tail number
Stop following Shitgrad24, for starters. While this particular news is true, they spread out horseshit distorted disinfo packed with legit info. Basically the supbrimes mechanism, for news. They have a clear agenda.
The Ukrainians have exceeded expectations and made it so that more or less no matter what happens going forwards, there's no way to make the war "worth it". At this point, it's still possible for the Ukrainians to lose in the end, but it's impossible for Russia to 'win'.
It's a bizarre kind of lopsided stalemate. Russia continues to hold Ukrainian land and make tiny gains, but at the same time taking inconceivably huge losses. Like, if any country but the largest three or four performed like this it'd be the total annihilation of their military. I'm talking down to the last man and last tank. And Ukraine is doing this to them with relatively few modern weapons. If a major NATO air force decided to join the fight it would be a massacre.
Perspective. This was a 3 day operation, even the west had pretty much written Ukraine off and was preparing for a resistance like France in WW2. Instead Russia faceplanted. You really have to appreciate how massive of a deal that is. Russia totally failed to overwhelm Ukraine because their military is in such a horrible state. The losses are incomprehensible. Think about how many doomer songs and media there is in Russia about the Chechnya wars. They lost more people taking one town in Ukraine.
It’s a stalemate at this point but there was zero belief Ukraine could ever hold off Russia like this pre 2022. Russia has to throw away 30k lives, 10 modern planes, and 15% of the Black Sea fleet every time they want to take a village.
It's not clear who wins but one thing is pretty certain russia can no longer "win" long term. Even if they manage full territorial controle by some 3days+n miracle... They need to occupy Ukraine for some time until thing settle down.
Do you think they have the ability to police, rebuild, reeducate 40 million people and make they happy enough to think yeah we should not Rebel. Living in Russia is pretty good better than Europe would have been.
Can russia risk the start of a new wildfire spreading to russian mainland? When the new puppets fail and Luganda and donbabewe fail too?
Russia is winning. There’s no meaningful debate on that point even the media is being doomer over it (to push for more aid). Russia’s future prospects are a different discussion; but in the current state of the battlefield Russia has a decisive advantage and is making continued forward progress. Maybe that’ll change tomorrow but no one can really predict that.
How is that winning? If I am "winning" a knife fight I started, but we both have about 15 gushing stab wounds, then that's not really much of a victory is it?
This is a national murder-suicide. It's the definition of a Pyrrhic victory.
I mean sure I guess. I'd consider that a pretty good outcome for the collective west. Russia makes an enemy forever of people who shared their language and then cripples themselves fighting that same pointless war, without a NATO life lost?
Sucks for Ukraine though.
>Well if your only goal is to frick up the other guys day and you don't give a shit about the damage you take you cant loose.
yeah but we are talking about the actual goals of a Country/political leadership and not your average /misc/ homosexuals delusions
>commits national suicide >XAXAXAXAXA TAKE THAT HOLOLS *~~ >seethes impotently for eternity as the west rebuilds ukraine and absorbs it into its sphere of influence
>I was trying to kill myself, so really, I win either way
Glorious Russian victory, once again!
They can never lose, because if they win they win, but when they lose they still win (losing was part of the plan all along)
>I still don't even know who's winning this fricked up war. Pic unrelated
Jury's still out, but Russia is incapable of meaningful victory. Even if they consolidate everything they currently have it's a pyrrhic victory; they've expended hundreds of thousands of lives and an ungodly amount of materiel (seriously - this kind of expenditure will never, in the foreseeable future, happen again) to gain ownership of what is at this point literally scorched earth while becoming global pariahs, a military laughingstock and revitalizing NATO.
It's really hard to under-state just how badly Russia has eaten shit during this conflict.
https://i.imgur.com/76Zbr9P.png
I buy fighterbomber crying over it
Fricking wew. >Ourair-defense strategy is to spam missiles at anything moving east but usually our own planes avoid getting shot down
I think this is Russia's big decolonization war, the same way France's wars in Indochina and Algeria were. Russia has somehow managed to keep a colonial empire without much repercussions from abroad simply because it was adjacent to their core territories so it doesn't look like one but like I said, this is going to jumpstart a series of events that will end with all that territory eventually separating from Moscow.
both sides are losing, but they're losing different fights
Ukraine is losing land and men
Russia is losing economy and future
even if the yooks collapse tomorrow and Keev becomes the capital of Ukrainian Oblast, Russia will still have lost this war (a pyrrhic victory).
I can still see a path to Ukrainian victory, (total reconquista of Luganda, Donbabwe and Crimea) but I'd give it maybe 1% chance of happening. I cannot picture a way that Russia could "win" this war. After the decapitation strike failed in that first week, I don't think there's a scenario that Russia comes out of this ahead.
at the moment, it's a bit up in the air, but i'd place my money on Ukraine. Russia, as others have mentioned, has gotten into the habit of expending absurd amounts of men and materials to take targets with little to no strategic value. Their economy is shit, their material is shit, and the main advantage they have at the moment is sheer numbers, which have been greatly reduced since the start of the war. There is no chance whatsoever that they'll be able to achieve their initial war-goals. Ukraine's a bit more complicated, however. While it's army is leagues better than Russia's, it is still ultimately that of a second-world post-soviet country, coming with just about all the baggage associated with that and hampering it's overall effectiveness. Likewise, it's also dealing with supply and manpower issues on account of it's comparatively smaller side, which have been mitigated due to western aid and volunteers, but could still cause problems. Ultimately, whether Ukraine will be able to win or not is dependent on whether they can effectively break-through Russian defenses or otherwise outlast Russia's offensives. In either case, they'll need the supply of western aid to continue, and i think they'll find it. The Europeans are practically guaranteed to continue providing aid as they've come to realize how essential Ukraine can be to their own geopolitical position, and this alone would be enough to take them through the latter path. continued American aid is a little more dubious at the moment, but i think it'll come through eventually despite the political frickery and make a break-through feasible.
tl;dr: probably Ukraine, definitely not Russia
I like how no one cares about anything if it’s not Russia or Israel. Tucker’s interview with Putin gets millions of views but a few days later Fox interviews Zelensky and barely anyone cares. If something happens in / to Russia it gets sapammed here incessantly but anything else (besides Israel) gets hardly any engagement and quickly falls off. What’s up with that?
anon, the russia-ukraine war is the biggest happening since ww2, and it’s unfolding before our eyes in 4k. excuse me for following it closely. also, i don’t really give a frick what happens in desert biomes. sorry just don’t
Could also point at the Afghanistan retreat, closing the chapter definitively on the GWOT and restart of nationstate conflicts like America-China Arms race and the war in Armenia.
Could also point at the Afghanistan retreat, closing the chapter definitively on the GWOT and restart of nationstate conflicts like America-China Arms race and the war in Armenia.
Its honestly amazing looking back how many signs there were that something this big was coming: >GWOT drags on for decades, causing general distaste for US being global police >Rising sentiment that the US should try to be friends with Russia, mid 2000s Putin memes, etc (looking back, a good portion of this was also probably Russian shills, but there was generally more friendly outlook towards Russians in general) >Russia moves moves on Georgia and nobody does anything about it >Russia moves on Crimea and nobody does anything about it >accusations of Russian meddling in election, various government officials with ties to Russia, to the point of a number of them traveling to Russia >Trump goes with general sentiment for US to turn inward, ignore more of the outer world, and to encourage other countries to take over their own defense over US being world police
The tension had been building for two decades by the time Russia finally invaded Ukraine. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but its astonishing how not-obvious this outcome was for most analysts. I think its because its just the pure audacity of it all. If you spend too much time looking at Putin as a genius mastermind and not a despot dictator surrounded by yes-men (and subject to the same dictator trap that many dictators eventually fall to), it was easy to think "That's so dumb, they'd never do it", until they actually did.
No one gave a frick about the Putin interview, aside from commenting on what a shitshow it was. Tucker made an ass of himself and just let Putin spew his moronic, irrelevant shit, like everyone knew he would, considering he did the same when Oliver Stone interviewed him a few years back.
People cared about the Putin thing because it was the first time he'd spoken directly to a western audience in years. Zelensky interacts with the Western media all the time, travels to Western countries regularly and gives speeches, releases all kinds of social media stuff, etc. so one interview isn't that special.
>fox news "interview" > wai nobody watched? > wai nobody cared?
The answer is staring you right in the face, anon, but (You) are too stupid to cognate it.
I feel like I haven't heard much about Su-25s or attack helos much lately. Have the Russians had to push a heavy strike fighter into the CAS role because of a lack of more appropriate platforms and started suffering losses as a result?
tourist here trying to read the room--
so you guys are sort-of celebrating a plane shot down because of the mass of """~~*bad news*~~""" that has been coming out of Ukr recently? Am I all caught up or is there more to this semi-regional nothingburger?
>"""~~*bad news*~~"""
I hope this is sarcasm
things aren't bad
Ukraine is getting more advanced equipment and NATO warplanes,
Europe is committing more to funding no matter what the yanks decide,
and Russia is losing so many men and such priceless equipment that they've ascended to assassinating bloggers who cry too hard about it online
thanks for keeping me up to date. this is so far below my radar that I often lose track. I mean...the last tiem I knew wat was going on was laster years' offensive by the Ukrainians.
>the last tiem I knew wat was going on was laster years' offensive by the Ukrainians.
So much shit has happened since then
the Russians lost several warships and fighters, and two irreplaceable Mainstay AWACS aircraft out of only nine operating
they took Avdiivka which is five miles from Donetsk International Airport, but lost roughly 16,000 KIA, 10,000 WIA and 300-400 armoured vehicles, prompting recriminations all over Telegram and even RT
a longtime Russian fighter and blogger was shot for exposing the story
Girkin has been Siberia'd and Navalny killed
Ukraine is almost ready to deploy F-16s, and NATO Europe has committed to supporting them with weapons for at least 4 more years
>a real fricked up has been going on in the sky lately
I am addicted to the hilarious sentences that arise from the machine translation of russian telegrams
Dostoyevsky is tedious to read in translation, precisely because most translators insist that the idiosyncracies of the Russian language are essential to the text.
>Dostoyevsky is tedious
could've stopped there
Tolstoy et al may be fantastic fricking literature, but nobody's going to read 500,000+ words in this day and age without tons of combat and sex
the A50 was torn into two bits and fell separately, that's why it was reported as two planes initially
On one hand it'd be really funny if that happened
On the other, he's very useful to confirm when a bird actually gets downed, so it would be a real loss
Russian planes were always useless outdated shit, they never made anything good and was always 20 years behind everyone, why they even make this trash is a mystery to begin with probably to launder money for oligarchs.
>all /k/ only has going for it is the occasional loss of russian equipment
this is kinda sad, member when land gains were the stuff this board was talking about
>we have advanced 5 miles from the 2015 border, at the cost of 26,000 KIA and WIA, 300 armoured fighting vehicles, half a dozen Su-34s, two A-50s and two Ropuchas
I pray for more such Russian land gains
>occasional
LMAO. It's telling that only the loss of big-ticket equipment worth tens to hundreds of millions is even notable anymore. Russian tanks, BMPs etc.? We're getting like two dozen of those a day, and it's only notable now when entire columns get torn to shreds.
Planelet here, are the F16s that Ukraine will get or maybe has data linked with the patriots? They seem to have eyes in the sky everywhere these last few days.
Only to a Russian mind does it make sense to say that you somehow shot down your own Command and Control aircraft TWICE, rather than just say the enemy got them.
F-16 unwrapping for 2nd anniversary?
f16 is clearing up space for other assets to do their job better
BBC POCCNN :DDD
Hilarious anon.
E/b/in :DDDDD
MUTTS LAW
>weird racial fetishization propaganda gets spammed all over the place for years
>it’s now in the common consciousness to the point people joke about it a lot
>OOKH OOKH MUTT MUTT MUTT AMERIKKKA REEEEEE
yeah and you fell for the propaganda
oh fugg
Either F-16s have been quietly deployed, Su-34 pilots are just getting stupidly overconfident, or they ran out of KABs and are back to using regular gravity bombs.
Apparently the glide bombs aren't super accurate at range and aren't always in supply. Pilots have been trying to toss bomb for a while but may have been ordered to launch closer ground attack runs to improve accuracy.
>Russians are desperate to make frontline gains so they're trying to leverage their airpower advantage. But that's bringing their planes in range of more AA systems and putting more costly assets at risk of big boy SAM systems like the S-200 catching them, which is what happened with the A-50. Most likely to do with the apelections in russia coming up.
Yeah I think this is the case plus those attacks on avdicka have taken a large toll so the lines are a bit shaky so air support is essential to keep balance.
You would think by now someone high up in the Russian air force would just have issued a general directive to the tune of "HOLY FRICK STOP IT GROUND THE PLANES GUYS"
>GROUND THE PLANES GUYS
That's exactly what he said 😉
They need to get a PR win, so that means using aircraft to attack positions with bombs, which means they're lost. What does it matter if they lose 5, 10, 100 aircraft if they can claim they took X and great success?
How to recieve your free bullet, 101
>putin breathing down everyone’s neck
>i gotta look good to get that big promotion
>my subordinates all trying to take glory and my job
>wa-i mean glorious special military operation has gone on too long, being cautious will only make putin madder
It’s really a lose-lose situation the more you think about it.
KAB? KWAB
They’re just trying to push further after taking Avdiivka and so they’ve been throwing planes into the meat grinder now.
more like the pilots are confident what will happen to there families if they dont break the new UkA defense at Adverika.
I have trouble believing they could hide F-16s
Is lies, komrade, Ukraine is so weak and pathetic generous mother Russia shot down own plane to give them even battlefield. Putin is very honorable, always values fairness
>getting your airforce shot down by S-200s complimented by Patriots providing cover
everyday I wish strelkov was still here. His takes over the last 6 months would be have divine.
unlike navalny, he's still alive
For now. There's still plenty of windows to fall out of.
true, but that was also true of Murz until a few days ago.
I fear they will pickle the Girkin
"On Wednesday morning, a series of posts were published on Morozov's channel in which he said he intended to take his own life. He asked his readers "not to be sad" about his death, and requested that he be buried in the self-proclaimed "Luhansk People's Republic" in Ukraine's Donbas region."
https://www.newsweek.com/andrei-morozov-murz-dies-suicide-avdiivka-losses-1871868
Why would an epic StaliBlack person kill itself?
ironically girkins wife was shitting herself when navalny was suicided
wouldn't be surprised monke saw him as a actual threat
Why would putin kill navalny if he’s locked up anyway lol
Why would the Russian government disrupt memorials to him and attack people trying to pay respects if he didn't matter.
Its like a nation of Qanon followers
Funny, that.
navalny vaxmaxxed is the hottest take ngl.
He knows that his own people are starting to doubt the evil nazi/nato invasion narative, what normally follows is that the old king gets thrown out the fricking window and a new king is chosen.
Putin figured that if Navalny is dead they cant replace him.
Every russian who diagrees with putin's kgb regime is a "foreign agent", just as in Soviet Russia. Even Beria became a British spy when it was time to get rid of him, lol.
>Every russian who diagrees with putin's kgb regime is a "foreign agent"
And when monkes time finally comes and they hang him on the red square everyone will be shocked disgusted to learn that he has been working for the CIA all along.
>maybe the green dwarf from kiev is next?
what did he mean by this? is this their version of the little green men meme?
>Zelensky is a Slavic masculine surname.
>Its Russian spelling Зeлeнcкий is romanized Zelenski, Zelenskii, Zelenskiy, or Zelensky, and originates from the toponym Zelyonoe (Зeлёнoe), meaning 'green'.
Because Putin wants to ensure that the coming "election" is rigged in his favor as much as possible even though he's guaranteed to win anyways. He has to manufacture the illusion that he was unanimously reelected.
Anon they locked him up in some siberian gulag, he simply dropped from exhaustion one day. There was no need for a traditional bullet to the back of the head.
They kept his body locked so the traces of novichok would disappear. The timing was just too perfect for a sudden death.
The timing is actually not great for Putin. Navalny was not running in the election, and this makes Putin look even more tyranical.
The election is a sham. Why are you even trying to pretend otherwise? There's 0% of a chance that Putin loses it.
Do you think this is subversion? It's just you barking nonsense.
There isn't a 0% chance, actually. There has been a claim that Putin will 'lose' the election to the guy, the guy will then call for the war to be over and recall the forces and THEN Putin will 'uncover' that the West/Anglos hacked the election/manipulated the election/rigged the election to make Putin lose, at which point Putin is made president again and he can bow out of the war stating goals were achieved and he isn't a war monger and all is good now.
Extremely unlikely, but it was a plan.
No, of course its a sham election. But every dictator ever that bothered with elections at least tried a little bit to make them look legit. The Navalny murder doesnt help in that sense. Thats why I doubt he ordered it.
But Putin might be dumber than I thought. I was in the camp that called the American warnings of invasion in 2022 fake news. I just didnt think Russia would gain anything from the war. So I have been wrong before.
if the war went the way they wanted they would have gotten a lot, national prestige, a relatively intact industrial base, a shit ton of grain, complete black sea access, another buffer against NATO, ect. The problem was they fricked up and now are stuck in this shitty quagmire with almost no support and not much to show for it.
Literally no reason to start a war other than to flex your military might. Russia had very little to gain vs tons to lose.
>if the war went the way they wanted they would have gotten a lot
A lot of hassle, lol.
Even if they'd pulled off a decapitation strike, what we've seen so far is that the average Ukrainian is, compared to the average Russian, orders of magnitude less apathetic, less easily cowed, and willing to fight back tooth and nail against an unwelcome invader. Occupying a nation of 40,000,000 unwilling subjects of the Russkiy Mir is already a massive undertaking, but can you imagine what crazy shit Alternate Universe No-Limits Completely-Off-The-Fricking-Chain Budanov would be up to?
I mean, a successful decapitation strike would have presumed they were right and Ukrainian didn't really care enough to fight. It pretty much requires a different timeline.
>But Putin might be dumber than I thought.
Have you watched the Tucker interview? Putin's a grade A moron with autism.
>But every dictator ever that bothered with elections at least tried a little bit to make them look legit.
I've seen a theory that disappearance of Navalny few weeks ago was testing the ground to check reactions in case he dies.
Most recent Russian polls showed that most Russians have negative opinion on Navalny.
Putting him in that prison was already a death sentence, the issue was how to drag it in time so that people lose interest
Pynya is very paranoid those days and plays his cards very safe - even obvious controlled opposition candidates were ordered to drop out of the presidential race or were removed on technicalities.
Its pretty straight forward when you think about it:
>put political opponent in jail, this causes some outrage, those people you arrest
>wait for a while to let things settle, some people forget, some people shrug their shoulders and move on, but others still care
>kill the jailed political opponent
>everyone who riots/protests are the ones who still cared, now you can arrest them too
>everyone left over no longer cares or once did but moved on for the safety of their lives/having their will crushed
>so now everybody left over no longer opposes you
That's the idea, at least.
I think the major issues that Russians have is they are so blasted by various propaganda they still don't fully realize there is no hope whatsoever in protest. The only way they can break free is fomenting a rebellion, and actual generations of trauma have smashed the capability of such thought from them. I'd be surprised if the word still existed in their lexicon (half joking).
They are utterly incapable of not working within the rigged system. Its the same reason mobiks make video appeals to Putin despite him being the ultimate commander of the military. Bad boyars, good czar.
> They kept his body locked so the traces of novichok would disappear
He was officially considered "terrorist", so his body was not supposed to be returned to relatives or his place of burial made public.
Wow, and just for the appropriate amount of time that it takes traces of poison to wear off. That's radical, my dude.
They wouldn't have killed him on purpose before the elections.
You keep barking this glavset hogwash over and over and it still makes no sense. How could this be happening to you? You followed the script like they told you.
Navalny could have died years ago or he could have died years from now, the conditions he was kept in ensured that he would die, but the specifics of when were coincidental.
From Putin's POV this is actually one of the worse times it could have happened with the election coming soon, hence they are being heavy-handed about the funeral and really any recognition of Navalny at all. Remember that what Putin wants above all is for everyone in Russia to not give a frick about politics or politicians, even including him, just to be content worker drones.
>From Putin's POV this is actually one of the worse times it could have happened with the election coming soon
These glavset wienerlets are a fricking riot. This bag of smegma is implying that the elections aren't completely under his control, somehow.
Burn Russia to the fricking ground, erase all record of their existence from the history books. Summarily execute anyone who speaks Russian in public.
How many times does it need to be explained
I feel like I've done it ten times on this board
Just because Putin can't lose the election doesn't mean there's no such thing as a good election or bad election for Putin
A good election is one where people basically believe even if it was a fair election he would have won anyway and nobody is even talking about other candidates
A bad election is one where he needs to arrest and kill all the opposition and very obviously fake the results such that your average serf can tell it's all bullshit
This shit matters to Putin
Because he would've lived longer than Putin
Same reason he killed Prigozhin after taking all his power, same reason Murz was murdered despite being a frothing at the mouth nationalist imperialist. Men like Putin do not want people who can compete with them on popularity, even if they're patriots. And people like Putin use murder to communicate to the masses that there's no hope resisting, I can do whatever you want, so shut up and study your shoes, peasant.
Because Putin wanted Navalny gone. He had already tried to kill him with novichok.
>Novichok in the 1980s
>Does not register on Western chemical detection equipment. Perfect deniability.
>Novichok in the 2020s
>I, Vladimir Putin, have ordered this person assassinated for personal reasons.
To be fair, there is merit to having a plausibly deniable "I have murdered this person".
ITK here, the reason was because Putin wants to remind people what happens to people who cross him just before the elections. This is to remind people who vote for the 'other guy' who is running on an anti-war campaign (controlled opposition, but 'opposition' nonetheless) that if you do, you too could be sent to die in a gulag and be slowly poisoned (he was being slowly poisoned and not treated for months). Remember, this is not an election, this is a referrendum on the war. It is also a way to out potential critics, protesters and general opposition. Those who vote for somebody not-Putin are named and monitored and made sure they're not a threat and are quietly removed if they are.
It's about sending a message.
>referrendum
referendum, spelled it wrong like a mong lol.
Considering the way the winds are blowing, wouldn't Putin want being voted out as a potential way to leave his failing war for someone else to solve (and inevitably lose)? He could quietly disappear from the public eye and retire.
That's what I said here
but he wouldn't retire, he'd get back in when the guy who 'won' is outed as having cheated. So he can not only get the double whammy of getting out of the war, but also reinforcing his propaganda that the West/Anglo's are out to get poor ickle Russia.
>ITK here, the reason was because Putin wants to remind people what happens to people who cross him just before the elections.
>It's about sending a message.
This is exactly right - Putin's Russia is a mafia state. Where you get it wrong is that the election isn't an election, it's a slightly unusual national holiday with some weird traditions like "voting," that are purely ceremonial and inconsequential.
It's a KGB power play move. Monke basically pissed into the face of all "oppositional" people in russia right before the election circus, as well as foreigners. Like wacha gonna do about it? Demoralize people and shit. It's not like EU and US would find the balls to officially not recognize him as legal ruler of russia after the bogus elections in March. Hurr-durr we need to have an off ramp and shit.
because they are evil and insecure, and they do the things someone who is evil and insecure would do
why would the bolsheviks kill the royal family if they are already locked up anyway lol
To send a message of absolute power.
To send a message, elections are coming up. It's important to remind what would if anyone would dare to think about rising up and challenging putin, beyond the planted fake opposition that mainly exists to make putin seem more reasonable and give the veneer of a legitimate system.
It's too confusing to remember who all your enemies are. You have to get rid of the excess so you don't forget about him and accidently let him out to cause problems later.
he will catch "covid" and die from "lung problems"
I miss him so much 🙁
Best guess I have is that the russian army has been ordered to capitalize on the ukrainian shell shortage, so they over-extend and get punished. The vanguard needs air support, which puts the jets in a vulnerable position.
Am I to believe that russian airfighters could seriously contend with the f-35 or god forbid, the f-22?
I mean the Su-34 could never anyway, its an attack aircraft, and fricking massive, very nearly as long as an F111 and far fatter, bigger wings and engines.
she's a big girl
4 u
Big but beautiful, I do love the look of a lot of Ruskie planes, even with all their other faults!
Those are beautiful planes, it's a shame that they are piloted by morons and then getting blown out of the sky...
SEXOOOOO
Holy shit it's fricking massive.
planes are big
Oh aye, shes a big girl! 1:72 F16 and Su34 size by side.
F-16 is a marvel of engineering
Why would they make it that big?
russians are moronic
>we need something that can seat two pilots next to each other with elbow room and probably a shitter and break room in the back, also it needs to be able to fly halfway around the world and cruise at Mach 1.6, also it needs to have a frick ton of hard points, also it needs to be able to do a barrel roll.
That's what your mother said
This is not really a pertinent comparison, the Su34 is a bomber not a fighter, and the F-16 is an exceptionally small fighter.
You should compare an F15 to Su27 and you’d see the difference is not that big
F-16 is just a smol gril. pls no bully
It looks like the secret child of an Su-27 and an F-111.
It's 2 feet 3 inches longer than a B-17
>far fatter, bigger wings and engines
Hot.
According to David Axe, yes
The most likely scenario I've heard is Ukraine got another Patriot battery and put this one balls to the wall close to the frontlines.
I know very little about air defense though.
We have footage!
"Video from the Genichesk region from the crash site of the Su-34"
Is there any reason to believe this, besides Just Trust Me Bro? inb4 12 year old shills start REEEEEing at me.
this could literally be anything on fire
visegrad is non-credible but somewhat credible war_monitor_ua also talks about this.
Ru milbloggers are busy with the A-50 which makes sense since this is the far more important loss.
the only evidence we have so far is only for 2 the rest are just bullshit incarnate
visegrad is literally a pis mouthpiece not even a polish propaganda tool but just pis
The SMO anniversary events have begun.
Hope they also recreate the convoy and the VDV highway rush.
actually is another friendly fire incident*~~
Chipi Chipi chapa chapa
GOMENNASAI PATRIOT SAMA /S200 / whatever
I kneel Ai sama
Ui Mama dancing on a SAM when?
Dubi dubi daba daba
9 airframes in a week?
yes I believe so
Can I have a better source than Visegrad? I wanna share.
Secret SM-2 deliveries.
even better
how on earth do they still have missiles for that system!? Its ancient! How do modern fighters keep getting hit by them??
the rumor is that the A-50 got hit with it, not the Su-34.
A-50 isn't a fighter. A-50 can't run nor maneuver.
that would make way more sense, if modern russian fighter jets are falling to 1960s era soviet junk anti air missiles i would be extremely confused. The A-50 wouldnt have any way to save its self. I cant wait to see a Guideline get a kill in this war!
Well, it shot off fares, so
A PLANE A DAY TO KEEP THE VATNIKS AWAY
SUs are sexy and I don't care what anyone says, hottest jets after the F16
Eh, I'd put F-15s above it, and then F-35s above that.
F35s are like the CRVs of the jet world now, just fat bloated shapeless blobs. SU and F16 still have sexy sharp edges and lines like a knife, they even look dangerous and menacing. F35 looks like something the air force uses to get groceries. Plus they're unreliable shitpiles at this point.
They're only unreliable in edge cases, there are almost 1000 F-35s and Israel is using them pretty well. Also sexy belly, grocery getters don't have sexy bellies
You take that back about F-35s. CRVs don’t have sexy abs
I do love that Sukhoi shape! Just the more modern ones though, anything that came after the Frogfoot.
Thought that too until I saw one flying. What a fat piece of shit lmao
>needing three SUs to take down a Reaper
well that wasn't really the point of the post, but since you asked
>1950
>Soviets and Americans fly their manned jetfighters near each other’s air space as a show of power and instigation
>2023
>Russia flies their manned jetfighter against American scout drone
>2065
>Russia flies their manned jetfighter against American nanobot swarm
So the fire is coming out of its ass right?
What hole does the shit come out of??
I still find it shocking Russia/simps thought that a Sukhoi almost taking itself out by crashing into an unarmed drone was some big PR victory.
it was more the comical nature of it actually, try not to take everything so seriously it's just a bumfight after all
That cartoon is not the "own" (You) think it is, anon. Any gang of Black folk can beat up a nerd, and their cowardice will never be forgotten.
>That cartoon is not the "own" (You) think it is, anon
Zigger mindset is zero-sum. Anything in life worth having can only come at the expense of others. At its basic this is power over your fellow man.
He's not trying to "own" anyone. He's showing you his worldview.
meatwaves weren't going to get avdiivka in time for the russian elections so they switched to planewaves
I don’t get it. It seems that Russia is gaining some slow momentum through attrition war and western support is in a perilous state due to the all elections this year, yet BBC Puccia decides that now it’s time to risk tons of extremely hard to replace air assets?
>russia loses 1 plane
>reddit tourists begin openly panicking
What exactly are you worried about?
>1 plane
>implying I’m worried
I’m not worried about Russia losing planes, quite the opposite. Just wondering what the frick are they doing, losing something like 9 planes including one AWACS in a week, even though I certainly don’t mind it if they continue like this.
My guy, The US lost 14 aircraft IN TOTAL during desert storm. Superpowers aren't supposed to be losing jets like this.
>My guy, The US lost 14 aircraft IN TOTAL during desert storm. Superpowers aren't supposed to be losing jets like this.
The US lost more aircraft in Vietnam than Russia ever built in total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War#:~:text=All%20told%2C%20the%20U.S.%20Air,and%20the%20remainder%20rotary%2Dwing.
>2,251 aircraft
>>2,251 aircraft
anon, that's only one of the lesser US air forces, the USAF.
USAF used WW2 tactics in Vietnam and payed the price. USN was superior.
Sorry, you're correct. The actual number of aircraft losses was over 12,500
so will the russian populace finally convince russian brass to end the war due to unpopularity like america in vietnam? or more purges
Anyone calling for an end to the war will be sent to the front or defenestrated. I don't think Igor Girkin is long for this world.....
Anyone have one of those old maps detailing who would take control of which part of Russia when the inevitable civil war happens? I wanna see whose still alive
>The US lost more aircraft in Vietnam than Russia ever built in total
That's not the flex you think it is. By the way, do you think that second a-50 crew were killed when their plane was hit, or did they have time to scream and beg God to save them before they got smeared into a red paste on impact?
Why do you think that's a flex? Are you mentally moronic? Did you not read the reply I was responding to? Jesus christ dude.
>The US lost more aircraft in Vietnam than Russia ever built in total
beautiful self-own sasha, never change
>The US lost more aircraft in Vietnam than Russia ever built in total
>>My guy, The US lost 14 aircraft IN TOTAL during desert storm. Superpowers aren't supposed to be losing jets like this.
Do you not see that your post is the reason for what happened in Desert Storm? Major combatants are supposed to learn from bad outcomes in war and improve for the next one.
>The US lost more aircraft in Vietnam than Russia ever built in total
You mean post-soviet Russia with that, right?
How many planes does the Russian airforce have again? They'll unironically run out in a few months at this rate.
Meteor-equipped Gripens have finally made their debut.
Have they? That'd be cool. Ukraine has ASRAAMS too. Too far away to be ground based, however.
doesn't make sense.
a Su-34 will have a Su-35 escort.
what happened to the escort?
I mean I was more saying it'd be cool if they had Gripen's and Meteors, but I don't think they used aircraft to down these.
What escort moy bratan?
CUM HISTORY
those are amraams, not meteors
Maybe it's a Gripen C? I can't tell the difference between the C and E models.
Nobody even started the process of sending them, so sadly we probably won't see them.
I told you, total zigger death, time to 100% the Russian airforce because that was part of the deal for NATO support and Russian APC death is nearly complete. The number for Russian personnel in pic related id dead by the way, it does not include wounded
>Mlrs deaths is approaching 1100
For comparison, the US lost zero (0) Abrams to enemy fire and eight (8) Bradleys during Desert Storm.
>special equipment
Latest figures. They're claiming only one plane again.
the A50 was torn into two bits and fell separately, that's why it was reported as two planes initially
>special equipment
>Baba Yaga
How many Boris Johnsons is she worth? What are they hiding?
There being a fricking submarine on the scorecard is one of those things that always makes me laugh.
nope, it fell because Russia started using and losing a lot of planes to get their pile of rubble
Is nothing. Keep flying you normal pattern. We are out of AD missile anyways.
>Is nothing. Keep flying you normal pattern. We are out of AD missile anyways.
I would have believed you but his smile gave the game away
Budanov's weird skinny fat second chin always throws me off. He's got such an uncanny appearance. I guess its perfect for such a stone cold dude that he also looks off putting.
he has nearly no chin and clearly struggles with his weight
he seems to try and manage his weight and does indeed have the eyes of a stone cold motherfricker though
Why is Budanov so young yet in charge of their intelligence operations?
he's an old soul
Its usually the ugly ones that are the most unhinged and ironically kinda good fit for this type of job
>.t uggo
a plane got shot down in a war? only two more weeks before moscow falls
>losing 2/3 of your modernized AWACS platforms and 2/8 of your total AWACS fleet is no biggie
I sure hope moscow thinks like you do, anon
He very likely doesn’t even know what AWACS does
>2 day SMO
>2 years later a TOWN near the border gets taken
second army of the world btw
>2 years later
Russia started attacking the town in 2014
Russia is a small developing nation, pls understand.
Jesus fricking Christ Margerita is looking even worse now
What's happening with Solovyov anyway, we used to get funny clips from his show every week but now they're all gone
Oof gonna be some very brown threads over this one
We didnt (s)need it anyway
I might be an IDIOT when it comes to war but what's the winning strategy with losing your entire air force and navy?
Your enemy will have to run out of munitions eventually. Once that happens, the gloves will finally come off.
They're going to lose all those planes to F16's soon anyways so why not get some use out of them before that happens?
how?
ancient F-16AM with outdated AIM-120C have almost a magnitude less range than Ukraine's current SAMs.
A planes range and a missiles range are additive anon. F-16 also mogs anything russia can put in the air generally, and will fill in Ukrainian "any modern jets at all please" requirements.
Man, first the black sea fleet, now the airforce. This war is like seeing a bear try to kill a pig and get slowly eaten feet first whilst it frantically scratches
>aircrafts aren't that valuable that every single loss deserves their own thread
Were there active production lines for the aircraft(s), or production lines for the replacement thereof, sure.
But there are not, to say nothing of the professional, experienced, and veteran staff lost, and the inability to replace that.
Also AWACS dying is rare. VERY rare. That alone, even ignoring everything else, makes this interesting.
Splashing a Soviet AWACS was worth a whole chapter in Red Storm Rising
>What the frick is going on?!
Something (maybe a refinery) was hit in Lipetsk just a few minutes ago
It's just a real bad day for Russia. Happy 2 year anniversary c**ts
Why didn't the SU-34 and the A-50 just do the cobra maneuver at the last second to dodge the missiles?
Tom Cruise and Boris Johnson were piloting the F-16s.
>missiles
because of that.
they dodged the first missile, but the second one hit.
>A-50 just do the cobra
How old are you?
It's sometimes difficult to appreciate just how big these planes are
An SU-34 is half an Olympic swimming pool and half as wide
This week
>6 Su-34
>2 Su-35
>1 A-50
>1 IL-22 (unconfirmed - reporting error? this happened last A-50 too)
IL-22 last time landed heavily damaged apparently.
>IL-22 last time landed heavily damaged apparently.
That was disinfo by russia. People on board of IL-22 were confirmed dead. It didn't land for shit, otherwise we'd have real photos instead of fake photoshopped crap.
>IL-22 last time landed heavily damaged apparently.
under own power?
the IL-22 was damaged
there were 2 photoshops, once to remove watermark, once to add on a tail number
Something is in the air.
The Russians must be absolutely fuming right now, they cant have any aircraft anywhere near the front lines it seems!
2bh I don't think they have emotions the way others do, they're more like machines that just get stuck in a rut, like a runaway diesel engine
One of these things is going to get an aircraft kill this war, mark my words.
>What the frick is going on?!
that will probably be on your gravestone too.
>What the frick is going on?!
Ukrainian lines melting.
haha I think you meant to say Russian didn't you?
DIDN'T YOU.
Lolno, it's the Novolipetsk Metallurgical Plant that's melting currently m8.
The plan is proceeding as expected
Stop following Shitgrad24, for starters. While this particular news is true, they spread out horseshit distorted disinfo packed with legit info. Basically the supbrimes mechanism, for news. They have a clear agenda.
Nothing is going on good sir, please continue air operations as normal
I still don't even know who's winning this fricked up war. Pic unrelated
The Ukrainians have exceeded expectations and made it so that more or less no matter what happens going forwards, there's no way to make the war "worth it". At this point, it's still possible for the Ukrainians to lose in the end, but it's impossible for Russia to 'win'.
this is the correct take.
No matter how russia tries to spin this conflict in the future, its an abject failure.
It's a bizarre kind of lopsided stalemate. Russia continues to hold Ukrainian land and make tiny gains, but at the same time taking inconceivably huge losses. Like, if any country but the largest three or four performed like this it'd be the total annihilation of their military. I'm talking down to the last man and last tank. And Ukraine is doing this to them with relatively few modern weapons. If a major NATO air force decided to join the fight it would be a massacre.
Perspective. This was a 3 day operation, even the west had pretty much written Ukraine off and was preparing for a resistance like France in WW2. Instead Russia faceplanted. You really have to appreciate how massive of a deal that is. Russia totally failed to overwhelm Ukraine because their military is in such a horrible state. The losses are incomprehensible. Think about how many doomer songs and media there is in Russia about the Chechnya wars. They lost more people taking one town in Ukraine.
It’s a stalemate at this point but there was zero belief Ukraine could ever hold off Russia like this pre 2022. Russia has to throw away 30k lives, 10 modern planes, and 15% of the Black Sea fleet every time they want to take a village.
It's not clear who wins but one thing is pretty certain russia can no longer "win" long term. Even if they manage full territorial controle by some 3days+n miracle... They need to occupy Ukraine for some time until thing settle down.
Do you think they have the ability to police, rebuild, reeducate 40 million people and make they happy enough to think yeah we should not Rebel. Living in Russia is pretty good better than Europe would have been.
Can russia risk the start of a new wildfire spreading to russian mainland? When the new puppets fail and Luganda and donbabewe fail too?
Russia is winning. There’s no meaningful debate on that point even the media is being doomer over it (to push for more aid). Russia’s future prospects are a different discussion; but in the current state of the battlefield Russia has a decisive advantage and is making continued forward progress. Maybe that’ll change tomorrow but no one can really predict that.
>Russia is winning
I agree, russia has achieved victory by delivering a strategic long-term fatal blow to russia, this war will be their end.
How is that winning? If I am "winning" a knife fight I started, but we both have about 15 gushing stab wounds, then that's not really much of a victory is it?
This is a national murder-suicide. It's the definition of a Pyrrhic victory.
Well if your only goal is to frick up the other guys day and you don't give a shit about the damage you take you cant loose.
NTA, but thats basically how zombies operate
I mean sure I guess. I'd consider that a pretty good outcome for the collective west. Russia makes an enemy forever of people who shared their language and then cripples themselves fighting that same pointless war, without a NATO life lost?
Sucks for Ukraine though.
>Well if your only goal is to frick up the other guys day and you don't give a shit about the damage you take you cant loose.
yeah but we are talking about the actual goals of a Country/political leadership and not your average /misc/ homosexuals delusions
>commits national suicide
>XAXAXAXAXA TAKE THAT HOLOLS *~~
>seethes impotently for eternity as the west rebuilds ukraine and absorbs it into its sphere of influence
>I was trying to kill myself, so really, I win either way
Glorious Russian victory, once again!
They can never lose, because if they win they win, but when they lose they still win (losing was part of the plan all along)
>I still don't even know who's winning this fricked up war. Pic unrelated
Jury's still out, but Russia is incapable of meaningful victory. Even if they consolidate everything they currently have it's a pyrrhic victory; they've expended hundreds of thousands of lives and an ungodly amount of materiel (seriously - this kind of expenditure will never, in the foreseeable future, happen again) to gain ownership of what is at this point literally scorched earth while becoming global pariahs, a military laughingstock and revitalizing NATO.
It's really hard to under-state just how badly Russia has eaten shit during this conflict.
Fricking wew.
>Ourair-defense strategy is to spam missiles at anything moving east but usually our own planes avoid getting shot down
>Fricking wew
the subtext is amazing
>oh, the Su-34?
>I dunno
>but both sides fill the sky with missiles
>our boys are doing great
>but not all of them come home
figure it out lol
I think this is Russia's big decolonization war, the same way France's wars in Indochina and Algeria were. Russia has somehow managed to keep a colonial empire without much repercussions from abroad simply because it was adjacent to their core territories so it doesn't look like one but like I said, this is going to jumpstart a series of events that will end with all that territory eventually separating from Moscow.
easy answer: the US
both sides are losing, but they're losing different fights
Ukraine is losing land and men
Russia is losing economy and future
even if the yooks collapse tomorrow and Keev becomes the capital of Ukrainian Oblast, Russia will still have lost this war (a pyrrhic victory).
I can still see a path to Ukrainian victory, (total reconquista of Luganda, Donbabwe and Crimea) but I'd give it maybe 1% chance of happening. I cannot picture a way that Russia could "win" this war. After the decapitation strike failed in that first week, I don't think there's a scenario that Russia comes out of this ahead.
at the moment, it's a bit up in the air, but i'd place my money on Ukraine. Russia, as others have mentioned, has gotten into the habit of expending absurd amounts of men and materials to take targets with little to no strategic value. Their economy is shit, their material is shit, and the main advantage they have at the moment is sheer numbers, which have been greatly reduced since the start of the war. There is no chance whatsoever that they'll be able to achieve their initial war-goals. Ukraine's a bit more complicated, however. While it's army is leagues better than Russia's, it is still ultimately that of a second-world post-soviet country, coming with just about all the baggage associated with that and hampering it's overall effectiveness. Likewise, it's also dealing with supply and manpower issues on account of it's comparatively smaller side, which have been mitigated due to western aid and volunteers, but could still cause problems. Ultimately, whether Ukraine will be able to win or not is dependent on whether they can effectively break-through Russian defenses or otherwise outlast Russia's offensives. In either case, they'll need the supply of western aid to continue, and i think they'll find it. The Europeans are practically guaranteed to continue providing aid as they've come to realize how essential Ukraine can be to their own geopolitical position, and this alone would be enough to take them through the latter path. continued American aid is a little more dubious at the moment, but i think it'll come through eventually despite the political frickery and make a break-through feasible.
tl;dr: probably Ukraine, definitely not Russia
you can eliminate the economic factor
financial aid to Ukraine is sufficient to support the country
Missing ships, disappearing planes, vanishing refineries, maybe they're right there is some kind of occult magic going on here.
VatBlack folk are trying to end the war before that homosexual Mike Johnson gets booted.
I wouldn't worry about it.
I like how no one cares about anything if it’s not Russia or Israel. Tucker’s interview with Putin gets millions of views but a few days later Fox interviews Zelensky and barely anyone cares. If something happens in / to Russia it gets sapammed here incessantly but anything else (besides Israel) gets hardly any engagement and quickly falls off. What’s up with that?
Did something happen that everyone is supposed to be aware of?
anon, the russia-ukraine war is the biggest happening since ww2, and it’s unfolding before our eyes in 4k. excuse me for following it closely. also, i don’t really give a frick what happens in desert biomes. sorry just don’t
>the russia-ukraine war is the biggest happening since ww
Hell no
It will mark the end of the post-soviet 90 to 2000's phase of World history and set the course of geopolitics for this century.
Could also point at the Afghanistan retreat, closing the chapter definitively on the GWOT and restart of nationstate conflicts like America-China Arms race and the war in Armenia.
Its honestly amazing looking back how many signs there were that something this big was coming:
>GWOT drags on for decades, causing general distaste for US being global police
>Rising sentiment that the US should try to be friends with Russia, mid 2000s Putin memes, etc (looking back, a good portion of this was also probably Russian shills, but there was generally more friendly outlook towards Russians in general)
>Russia moves moves on Georgia and nobody does anything about it
>Russia moves on Crimea and nobody does anything about it
>accusations of Russian meddling in election, various government officials with ties to Russia, to the point of a number of them traveling to Russia
>Trump goes with general sentiment for US to turn inward, ignore more of the outer world, and to encourage other countries to take over their own defense over US being world police
The tension had been building for two decades by the time Russia finally invaded Ukraine. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but its astonishing how not-obvious this outcome was for most analysts. I think its because its just the pure audacity of it all. If you spend too much time looking at Putin as a genius mastermind and not a despot dictator surrounded by yes-men (and subject to the same dictator trap that many dictators eventually fall to), it was easy to think "That's so dumb, they'd never do it", until they actually did.
it's the biggest war in Europe since WW2, numpty
No one gave a frick about the Putin interview, aside from commenting on what a shitshow it was. Tucker made an ass of himself and just let Putin spew his moronic, irrelevant shit, like everyone knew he would, considering he did the same when Oliver Stone interviewed him a few years back.
Because Russia was hyped as 2nd army in the world
People cared about the Putin thing because it was the first time he'd spoken directly to a western audience in years. Zelensky interacts with the Western media all the time, travels to Western countries regularly and gives speeches, releases all kinds of social media stuff, etc. so one interview isn't that special.
>fox news "interview"
> wai nobody watched?
> wai nobody cared?
The answer is staring you right in the face, anon, but (You) are too stupid to cognate it.
Could the US supply Ukraine with F-117's "off the books" or is that unrealistic? They were supposed to be able to shoot down Soviet AWACS.
I feel like I haven't heard much about Su-25s or attack helos much lately. Have the Russians had to push a heavy strike fighter into the CAS role because of a lack of more appropriate platforms and started suffering losses as a result?
I don't think they're even trying CAS. Too many manpads.
tourist here trying to read the room--
so you guys are sort-of celebrating a plane shot down because of the mass of """~~*bad news*~~""" that has been coming out of Ukr recently? Am I all caught up or is there more to this semi-regional nothingburger?
>"""~~*bad news*~~"""
I hope this is sarcasm
things aren't bad
Ukraine is getting more advanced equipment and NATO warplanes,
Europe is committing more to funding no matter what the yanks decide,
and Russia is losing so many men and such priceless equipment that they've ascended to assassinating bloggers who cry too hard about it online
thanks for keeping me up to date. this is so far below my radar that I often lose track. I mean...the last tiem I knew wat was going on was laster years' offensive by the Ukrainians.
>the last tiem I knew wat was going on was laster years' offensive by the Ukrainians.
So much shit has happened since then
the Russians lost several warships and fighters, and two irreplaceable Mainstay AWACS aircraft out of only nine operating
they took Avdiivka which is five miles from Donetsk International Airport, but lost roughly 16,000 KIA, 10,000 WIA and 300-400 armoured vehicles, prompting recriminations all over Telegram and even RT
a longtime Russian fighter and blogger was shot for exposing the story
Girkin has been Siberia'd and Navalny killed
Ukraine is almost ready to deploy F-16s, and NATO Europe has committed to supporting them with weapons for at least 4 more years
>26k casualties from taking avdiivka
got any proofs for that?
Murz claimed 16k irretrievable losses just in last few months.
this is Russian army and does not count the mercenaries and private military groups
I think 25K death/serious injury and 60K total is entirely possible
Bakhmut was 40K and 80K total
everything I see says 20k wagner troops died in bakhmut. Where are you getting 40k?
Murz said 16k killed/permanently maimed, and 10k "regular" wounded.
see
which corroborated another Russian TG I skimmed which complained of 26k-27k casualties
I know, can you believe this small border dispute has been going on for 2 years already!
>I don't care so much that I left the pool to come angrily not care on a different board
sure thing, rajpeet
brown
frick off back to your slum Rajesh
Eternal flight.
you just buy these claims without any proof?
I buy fighterbomber crying over it
>a real fricked up has been going on in the sky lately
I am addicted to the hilarious sentences that arise from the machine translation of russian telegrams
>And in the cabin begins the struggle for life.
It's almost Dostoyevskyian
Dostoyevsky is tedious to read in translation, precisely because most translators insist that the idiosyncracies of the Russian language are essential to the text.
>Dostoyevsky is tedious
could've stopped there
Tolstoy et al may be fantastic fricking literature, but nobody's going to read 500,000+ words in this day and age without tons of combat and sex
>to shreds you say
Its more or less correct.
He says "pizdets", which is something like "a fricked up situation" in one word.
we have "SNAFU" in English, but it's a vernacular acronym so the machines don't know how to use it yet
In the name of anniversary, lets see how it started.
Y I K E S
I sincerely hope not, he's our best source for RuAF losses
Blyat Storm on krokodil.
They're gonna kill this dude if everyone keeps posting him
On one hand it'd be really funny if that happened
On the other, he's very useful to confirm when a bird actually gets downed, so it would be a real loss
Russian planes were always useless outdated shit, they never made anything good and was always 20 years behind everyone, why they even make this trash is a mystery to begin with probably to launder money for oligarchs.
>all /k/ only has going for it is the occasional loss of russian equipment
this is kinda sad, member when land gains were the stuff this board was talking about
Maybe next year.
>we have advanced 5 miles from the 2015 border, at the cost of 26,000 KIA and WIA, 300 armoured fighting vehicles, half a dozen Su-34s, two A-50s and two Ropuchas
I pray for more such Russian land gains
>occasional
>occasional
LMAO. It's telling that only the loss of big-ticket equipment worth tens to hundreds of millions is even notable anymore. Russian tanks, BMPs etc.? We're getting like two dozen of those a day, and it's only notable now when entire columns get torn to shreds.
puccian airforce fricked around, now they're finding out
The fat duck with the RCS of a barn isn't very stealthy? NO WAY
Russia started flying them more. Also haven't you heard? Russia has built more plane than they've lost. So it's actually been a net gain for them.
I actually really like the Su-34. It feels like a cross between the F-15E and the F-111.
>a cross between the F-15E and the F-111
and yet it's a much worse plane than either of them individually
More payload than the F-15E and better in dogfights than the F-111.
Let down by shitty electronics/maintenance.
In an alternate universe Ukrainian Su-34's were mated with storm-shadows and meteor.
>more payload than a plane designed as an air superiority fighter
>better in dogfights than a bomber
wow
>plane that was meant to be good at two things is better at two things
Incredible things happening over in anon's brain
Maybe the ghost is back?
they might suicide but the wikipedia page for the war will say
>Russian victory
In the same manner afganistan was a resounding W for the ussr or vietnam was a W for the us lol
>but the wikipedia page for the war will say
>Russian catastrophic strategic defeat
FTFY
i wanna know if the cube gets its own page
Not without explicit media coverage, absent that it'd probably get deleted as hearsay/non-notable.
Planelet here, are the F16s that Ukraine will get or maybe has data linked with the patriots? They seem to have eyes in the sky everywhere these last few days.
I like that for the 2 year anniversary we got the proofsposting back.
on this two year anniversary of the war's beginning I just would like to say I'm happy Russians are still shuffling off this mortal coil
Only to a Russian mind does it make sense to say that you somehow shot down your own Command and Control aircraft TWICE, rather than just say the enemy got them.