greetings,
recently i've been curious about what states/locations in the US are the optimal for solo wilderness survival or backpacking.
for example:
>abundance of food, water and resources
>decent weather
>low risk of dangerous wildlife (grizzly bears, cougars, moose etc.)
>hospitable terrain
>away from major cities
location doesnt have to fit all categories exactly, just somewhat of a balance.
Frank Church Wilderness, Idaho. Generally dry, not too tall to be always covered in snow, largest contiguous wilderness in the continental united States, just look at it on google earth, only big cities are in Snake River Valley.
Isn't Idaho being invaded by Fornians?
its being invaded by everyone, so id stay away. calihomosexuals and everyone else are the same.
I'm going to move to your state and vote liberal. Eventually there will be others like me, and we will get a hunting ban into legislation. Then we will ban guns. Long-term, we will ban going hiking and restrict the land so that you can't use it.
I'm also going to throw my cliff bar wrappers and COVID masks on your trail
Yes but it's not as bad as Texas and mostly within the bigger or milder cities such as Coeur d'Alene, Boise, etc. Californians are not moving to the smaller towns without amenities and if they are they are not the Berkeley-esk libtards, they are closer to the rural guys. Cal is pretty diverse, just overall moronic through shear numbers
>largest contiguous wilderness in the continental united States
That description also includes AK...so no...
Also largest wilderness in lower 48 is Death Valley..so no...
meant to say contiguous united States not continental, and didn't know DV NP was larger.
The Frank is still a better option for solo survival because it has flowing water and trees.
Frank Church wilderness is 2.3 Million acres.
Okanagan-Wenatchee national forest is 3.8 million acres just on the US side an extends, basically, all the way to Alaska almost uninterrupted.
I think he is refering to designated wilderness rather than just national forest. But if you added up all the seperate wilderness areas in WA they might be bigger than FC.
There are National Parks which can't be logged and there are National forests which are basically DNR and can be logged based on the whims of the government.
Olympic National park is about a million acres of Park but it is surrounded by--approximately--another million acres of DNR/National Forest.
Don't confuse "national forest" with "national park"--National forests are basically reserves for the logging industry.
Almost forgot--national forests are also where they build the strip mines and Quarries. The main source of income for western states in mining and timber and politicians love this because it doesn't go into the general fund so, basically, they don't charge their corporate buddies anything to use the land while not getting in any trouble for pollution.
It's a massive scam and people have no idea--it's like the port of seattle makes hundreds of billions a year and none of that goes into the general fund either.
>Don't confuse "national forest" with "national park"--National forests are basically reserves for the logging industry.
Im not. Within national forests there are sometimes dedicated wilderness areas where no logging takes place or motorized vehicles allowed.
>Where no logging takes place
Those forests aren't protected, those trees are on the harvest reserve and will be clear-cut at the whims of the logging cartels as enabled by their puppet politicians.
Only national parks are no touch, national forests belong to big timber and its only a matter of time before they're logged.
>Those forests aren't protected,
>what is the Wilderness Act of 1964
Please frick off you stupid c**t.
No hang gliders seems oddly specific.
Wilderness stats US as a whole
AK - 57,432,650 acres/ 16% of the state/ largest single wilderness area Wrangell St Elias (9 million acres)
CA - 14,967,957 acres/ 15% of the state/ largest single wilderness area Death Valley (3.1 million acres)
ID - 4,796,558 acres/ 9% of the state/ Frank Church wilderness (2.36 million acres)
AZ - 4,512,056 acres/ 6% of the state/ Cabeza Prieta (804k acres)
WA - 4,484,603 acres/ 11% of the state/ Daniel J Evans (876k acres)
CO - 3,735,240 acres/ 6% of the state/ Weminuche wilderness (500k acres)
MT - 3,501,410 acres/ 5% of the state/ Selway Bitteroot (1.35 million acres, shared with ID), Bob Marshall (1.06 million acres)
NV - 3,448,418 acres/ 4% of the state/ Arc Dome (115k acres)
WY - 3,067,696 acres/ 5% of the state/ Absaroka-Beartooth (937k acres, shared with MT)
OR - 2,475,323 acres/ 4% of the state/ Eagle Cap (361k acres)
NM - 1,981,947 acres/ 3% of the state/ Gila wilderness (560k acres)
Largest individual wilderness areas in states not mentioned
FL - Marjory Stoneman Douglas Wilderness (1.297 million acres)
MN - Boundary Waters Canoe Area wilderness (814k acres)
States listed by the most FS, BLM, NPS, and NWR lands (with USFS acreage listed next to it).
1. AK (219.9 million acres)/ USFS (22.219 million acres)
2. NV (56.846 million acres)/ USFS (5.833 million acres)
3. CA (40.04 million acres)/ USFS (20.698 million acres)
4. ID (32.496 million acres)/ USFS (20.458 million acres)
5. WY (30.099 million arces)/ USFS (9.238 million acres)
6. AZ (29.895 million acres)/ USFS (11.255 million acres)
7. MT (27.277 million acres)/ USFS (16.894 million acres)
8. NM (22.855 million acres)/ USFS (9.327 million acres)
9. CO (23.541 million acres)/ USFS (14.509 million acres)
10. OR (16.408 million acres)/ USFS (15.658 million acres)
11. WA (11.648 million acres)/ USFS (9.215 million acres)
For backpacking, absolutely and those stats are great. For wilderness survival, all those states are garbage (maybe with the exception of parts of CA?). The thing is, all the states that are mostly wilderness are that way for a reason. The two worst environments to try to survive and forage for food are the freezing cold, or the desert.
If he's actually talking about full on bushcraft, find your own food and water and survive with minimal resources from the civilized world, you'd probably be better off in the Southeast somewhere. Warm enough you won't die of hypothermia even in the winter unless you do something really moronic, and there is a greater diversity of edible plants around, plus you can eat mule deer and feral pigs in abundance if you are in a state with lax hunting laws. I want to say the coast of Florida or Louisiana so you could supplement your diet with fish and crawdads, but those areas are pretty densely populated. Maybe Mississippi somewhere? You don't need to worry about grizzly bears but still carry a gun to deal with Black folk
Mississippi and Louisiana aren’t densely populated. They rank 31st and 32nd in percentage of public land (roughly 10% each; Alaska is first with like 98% or something). Louisiana would be much higher if water was included. The Atchafalaya Basin is the largest swamp in the US, and I think it’s 500,000 acres public. And it’s not exactly accessible… it’s a swamp. But like, people think that means it’s all like pic, but there’s land as well. You can’t exactly hike across the entire area, but it’s home to deer and bears and people, and they don’t just swim everywhere.
Good point. Absent the population issue I would probably pick coastal LA or FL as the ideal survival location in the US just due to the climate and the abundance of different food supplies, including fish would be a big plus. But yeah further inland you could still get crayfish at least. You can eat gators too.
Bear in mind I'm just talking about chance to not die of exposure or starvation, not comfort or fun. Surviving in LA in the summer would be fricking miserable unless you enjoy swamp ass and bug bites
hawaii.
(not even meming.)
Just ask all the homeless people on Oahu how their backpacking experience is going.
oahu isn't even remotely unique in that regard
i live in oregon anon, most tents in the state are setup under overpasses =/
i was referring to na pali though specifically.
It loses its luster once you live there. The PrepHole is cool, but the living situation is so fricked you just want to get the hell off the island and come back to the mainland asap.
There is an artist community in Hawaii called Bellyacres that lets bumbs, uer, i mean artists, live on their property and use the kitchen/water/toilets
There is another in Washington called Lookout Arts Quarry and I forgot the name of the one in sputhern California (in the desert) but that one is drug free if that's a concern.
What's the difference between Hawaii and the mainland
>living on a tiny island populated by almost a million permanent locals, and roughly half that number of tourists
>everything is expensive because the economy is fricked there
>traffic
>beaches are busy, trails are busy
>tourist season is 24/7
>traffic
>zero chance of buying a house
>oh yeah, and mold grows everywhere
Hawaii was great.
>Low risk of dangerous wildlife
You can't have one or the other. Also if you live in the USA, even incredibly anti-gun states allow you to have a firearm so what are you worried about? Like 14 grizzlies have been killed by 9mm handguns already.
It isn't that cut and dry. If you come around a corner and surprise a sow with cubs she'll rip your innards out before you can even draw
>Before you can draw
I'm always amazed at the fan fiction anti gun people make up to justify their total ignorance. No, even at 40 miles an hour I'd have three shots in it well before it was within pouncing range. I don't hike with ear buds and have this thing Zoomers aren't used to experiencing called situational awareness.
>thinking every encounter is the same.
I am always amazed at the hubris, arrogance and ignorance of gun tards. The assumptions they make about their skill and supposed knowledge bear behavior used to justify their worship lol.
>I've never owned a gun or hunted but you're the one making things up
..priceless
>cope
expected
I love it when you subhumans come into a thread thinking they're not obvious or obsessed.
>Hurrdurr
>my gun makes me infallible
>hurrdurr
many such cases. sad!
>t. seething subhuman
>thinking every encounter is worst possible scenario so better not be prepared and just die
I can't believe people like you aren't in feeding tubes
>No, even at 40 miles an hour
What part of "come around a corner and surprise it" didn't you understand? I know the only time you go outside is to jerk off your hand cannon, but there are trees and bushes where bears live, often thick ones.
You don’t know what backpacking is.
>backpacking
>abundance of food
Want to know how i know you don't go outdoors, larper?