The right answer. Wyoming moron here. I used to carry a rifle, but it was too unwieldy cutting through brush and climbing over rocks. Smith 629 Classic with a 5" barrel, loaded with .44 +p Buffalo Hard Cast flat noses. Carry in a cross draw, so you can pull it while taking a shit or sitting at a camp fire.
What kind of bears? .22LR from a pistol is 5/5 against black bears and 0/1 against polar bears (kek). .38 SPL is 1/1 against grizzlies and 1/2 against black bears. The failure was because the idiot tried to scare the bear instead of shooting it in the face. He was bitten in the foot but lived.
I just ordered a Taurus 856 for black bears. I plan to carry Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman. I believe shot placement is more important than raw foot pounds, and I don't think I can accurately rapid fire a light .357 snubby. >inb4 wristlet
You probably don't even go innawoods.
>Taurus 856
I don't mind that it's 38 special only, but I do mind that it's 25oz and 38 special only. It's about the exact same weight as an sp101. If saving weight is a concern, j frames and the lcr all come in both 357 and .38 special and weigh significantly less.
That said, I carry .38 in my lcr almost exclusively because of recoil, plus performance sucks for .357 out of a snubby anyway. For me, I'd either get a 4 inch barrel or stick with .38 special. Since I stick with .38 special, I'd rather have the lightest pocket gun possible.
>the idiot tried to scare the bear instead of shooting it in the face
I'm pretty sure scaring the bear is the last fricking thing you're supposed to do, did he confuse it with a bobcat?
Unironically a DE .50. Bears are so big you can't miss and it'll give the bear several new buttholes.
It think some wildlife guy even recommended it, because the Eagle is surprisingly easy to shoo, easier than a large revolver, and easy to control the recoil, the issue is you get tired in your arms holding it for long periods, but you don't have that issue since you'll only need it to save your life.
Bfr vs Deagle I’d say the bfr is easier to shoot if I’m being honest. They both shoot straight as can be. I just think the revolver is a bit easier to grip, but I’ve had the deagle for less time so that might change.
You can load it up with .454 Casull, .45 Colt +P (.44 magnum level), .45 Colt, .45ACP (with moon clips and reduced accuracy due to the distance to the forcing cone).
So everything from the heaviest and most expensive defensive frick-off loads to the lightest and cheapest .45 ammunition on the market. And you get 6 shots instead of 5 like with the S&W .460.
You want both. a 3lb revolver and a 1lb can of bear mace is still way lighter than a hunting rifle or a shotgun with slugs and way more comfortable to carry around while arguably providing as good or better protection for more situations.
>The bear's fur was matted sticky with bear mace. It had the remains of a person in its belly.
Unless your friend was part of a posse sent out to destroy a bear following an attack, this is just huge bullshit.
>Statistically you're way better off with bear mace.
Only because most people are pussies in a stressful situation and/or are not experienced with shooting handguns, especially powerful ones. Bear spray works until it doesn't. There are plenty of instances where the spray was misdirected because of wind, or the spray simply pissed off the bear and angered it more.
I'm a fan for lightweight, except when you get into big iron calibers--44mag and above. Shooting a lightweight 44 is like trying to stop a swinging baseball bat. You can do it, you just don't want to. And that not wanting to will lead to hesitation.
A GP100 Ruger in 44 with a 5in barrel is my choice for black bear. A 454, 480 Ruger, 500s&w, or 460s&w for moose and grizzly or brown bear.
the California grizzly went extinct in the 1920s but as far as black bears go you're probably more likely to see one in Yosemite or Tahoe than you are to see one anywhere else in the United States, because the black bears there are basically just giant raccoons that go around being a nuisance.
Fricking black bears everywhere, what are you on about? I work in SoCal and those c**ts are always going throught the trash. Dumb newbies don't know how to secure the dumpster at the end of the day.
It looks like they did. That's a juvenile bear, so there's both more and less risk. More risk because juveniles are curious and known to explore and test their limits. Less because it's just a cub, so those limits are far lower than a 1,500lb male.
The fact it came back at least once shows the curious nature and limit pushing. For all we know, it could have tried pushing its luck more and more over the course of an hour. Sometimes you gotta tell it to frick off.
This is a sincerely good example of when bear spray is both appropriate and effective.
It looks like they did. That's a juvenile bear, so there's both more and less risk. More risk because juveniles are curious and known to explore and test their limits. Less because it's just a cub, so those limits are far lower than a 1,500lb male.
The fact it came back at least once shows the curious nature and limit pushing. For all we know, it could have tried pushing its luck more and more over the course of an hour. Sometimes you gotta tell it to frick off.
This is a sincerely good example of when bear spray is both appropriate and effective.
Disregard, they fired a warning shot which clearly impacts the water on the right side. Good time to do so, I'm sure the receiving end of a short barrels 44/454 will give that cub adequate tinnitus.
>black bear
Even a 9mm is fine, really. And you probably won't need it. They're terrified of people. Just scream at it and it'll run away unless you are trying to attack a sow's cubs. The males just want an easy meal and they'll frick off when you challenge them. >brown bear
I wouldn't want anything less than .357 magnum, and that's marginal. You can make up for it with good shot placement and quick follow ups. Brown bear have been killed with a .22 so it'll do the job. But you might only get one good hit so you want it to count. .44 magnum would be better, or something even bigger. I would probably just take my Ruger GP100 because I already have one.
Looks like a model 629. I'd say any .44.
The right answer. Wyoming moron here. I used to carry a rifle, but it was too unwieldy cutting through brush and climbing over rocks. Smith 629 Classic with a 5" barrel, loaded with .44 +p Buffalo Hard Cast flat noses. Carry in a cross draw, so you can pull it while taking a shit or sitting at a camp fire.
What kind of bears? .22LR from a pistol is 5/5 against black bears and 0/1 against polar bears (kek). .38 SPL is 1/1 against grizzlies and 1/2 against black bears. The failure was because the idiot tried to scare the bear instead of shooting it in the face. He was bitten in the foot but lived.
I just ordered a Taurus 856 for black bears. I plan to carry Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman. I believe shot placement is more important than raw foot pounds, and I don't think I can accurately rapid fire a light .357 snubby.
>inb4 wristlet
You probably don't even go innawoods.
>Taurus 856
I don't mind that it's 38 special only, but I do mind that it's 25oz and 38 special only. It's about the exact same weight as an sp101. If saving weight is a concern, j frames and the lcr all come in both 357 and .38 special and weigh significantly less.
That said, I carry .38 in my lcr almost exclusively because of recoil, plus performance sucks for .357 out of a snubby anyway. For me, I'd either get a 4 inch barrel or stick with .38 special. Since I stick with .38 special, I'd rather have the lightest pocket gun possible.
>sp101
$699
>j frames and the lcr
fugly
Better looking than the taurus.
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
>the idiot tried to scare the bear instead of shooting it in the face
I'm pretty sure scaring the bear is the last fricking thing you're supposed to do, did he confuse it with a bobcat?
yeah, bears attack things when they get scared, it's like a defense mechanism cuz they're big ass predators.
>hiking
Make sure whatever you carry is light and comfortable enough to actually be okay with lugging it around all day
I think this is kind of a meme, but maybe for some people it isn't? To me an extra pound or two really doesn't make any difference.
get something with a folding trigger, it's easier to pack
G3 at low ready (bayonet fixed)
Overgrown doggy
That's a big dog
look at the water that beast is displacing!
ONLY YOU can prevent road accidents.
Random fun fact, there are two people in the United States that have a personal zip code. The president and Smokey the Bear.
>Smokey the Bear
Not a person
Neither is the president, your point
its smokey bear
just like ukraine
"The Ukraine" refers to the region, "Ukraine" refers to the illegitimate nation.
Is it the same when you say U.S. vs The U.S.?
No generally, since it's "The United States of America".
Exceptions exist however, for example "US foreign policy states that xyz".
well Smokey THE Bear says suck his honey wiener
Meds
This is actually dangerous. The darker grizzlies eat mammals whereas the lighter colored ones eat fish and berries
No.
It's true but still not a reason to not shoot a grizzly on sight. The fish vitamins change their fur pigment
You have no clue how to tell a coastal to inland grizz
>t. i've never seen a bear in my life
Sure it depends on the season but I'm 200% right
you really want to file off the front sight for any bear gun.
(so it doesnt hurt so bad when the bear RAMS IT UP YER ASS)
that being said, minimum .44 mag, I carry a 454 casull when in AK fishing. All the guides just carry 12guage pumps with slugs...
>I carry a 454 casull when in AK fishing
You don't own a 454.
>AK fishing
Colt navy modified to shoot in double action
I like it
Unironically a DE .50. Bears are so big you can't miss and it'll give the bear several new buttholes.
It think some wildlife guy even recommended it, because the Eagle is surprisingly easy to shoo, easier than a large revolver, and easy to control the recoil, the issue is you get tired in your arms holding it for long periods, but you don't have that issue since you'll only need it to save your life.
.t owns a 2000 dollar fun gun. Zero regrets.
Bfr vs Deagle I’d say the bfr is easier to shoot if I’m being honest. They both shoot straight as can be. I just think the revolver is a bit easier to grip, but I’ve had the deagle for less time so that might change.
Get the Hogues and it points more naturally than with just gripping the rectangular steel frame and stock plastic grips.
Ruger Super Redhawk.
You can load it up with .454 Casull, .45 Colt +P (.44 magnum level), .45 Colt, .45ACP (with moon clips and reduced accuracy due to the distance to the forcing cone).
So everything from the heaviest and most expensive defensive frick-off loads to the lightest and cheapest .45 ammunition on the market. And you get 6 shots instead of 5 like with the S&W .460.
The super redhawk is the only one I can find available, it's as if ruger stopped making the regular redhawk and now only makes 7.5" supers.
S&W Model 69.
5 shots of .44 Mag, relatively affordable, lighter than a 629, and built like a tank.
If you're okay with autoloaders, Glock 20.
Statistically you're way better off with bear mace.
Why not both?
Statistically bear mace does work better, but not if they're charging from more than 30ft away.
>If they've bolted into brush they're looking to ambush
You want a gun
>if they're charging from over 30ft away
You want a gun
>if you spot cubs
You want a gun
>if you're fishing and they're moseying too close
You want mace
>if you're rummaging through your camp (day or night)
You want mace
>If you happen upon them or they've done a fake charge to within 30ft
you want mace
A close friend of mine took a bear in AK. The bear's fur was matted sticky with bear mace. It had the remains of a person in its belly.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/todd-orr-montana-grizzly-attack-facebook-video-1.3788928
You want both. a 3lb revolver and a 1lb can of bear mace is still way lighter than a hunting rifle or a shotgun with slugs and way more comfortable to carry around while arguably providing as good or better protection for more situations.
>The bear's fur was matted sticky with bear mace. It had the remains of a person in its belly.
Unless your friend was part of a posse sent out to destroy a bear following an attack, this is just huge bullshit.
it's true, I was in the bear's belly
Statistically bear mace doesn’t work better.
False.
>Statistically you're way better off with bear mace.
Only because most people are pussies in a stressful situation and/or are not experienced with shooting handguns, especially powerful ones. Bear spray works until it doesn't. There are plenty of instances where the spray was misdirected because of wind, or the spray simply pissed off the bear and angered it more.
u mad bro?
picrel because significantly lighter than other options
I'm a fan for lightweight, except when you get into big iron calibers--44mag and above. Shooting a lightweight 44 is like trying to stop a swinging baseball bat. You can do it, you just don't want to. And that not wanting to will lead to hesitation.
A GP100 Ruger in 44 with a 5in barrel is my choice for black bear. A 454, 480 Ruger, 500s&w, or 460s&w for moose and grizzly or brown bear.
>GP100 Ruger in 44
They come in 44 special but not magnum. I think the 44 special gp100s are only 5 shot too.
i really dont think a 44 is necessary at all.
i travel lot on my motorcycle and almost always just camp in whatever national forest is near by, im mostly on the west coast, specifically cali
>cali
>has bear on flag
>doesn't have any bears
It does. Just not the cool kind
there's definitely bears in lake Tahoe
Not brown bears
I didn't say brown.
they're all in san francisco
the California grizzly went extinct in the 1920s but as far as black bears go you're probably more likely to see one in Yosemite or Tahoe than you are to see one anywhere else in the United States, because the black bears there are basically just giant raccoons that go around being a nuisance.
>no bears in California
Fricking black bears everywhere, what are you on about? I work in SoCal and those c**ts are always going throught the trash. Dumb newbies don't know how to secure the dumpster at the end of the day.
Norcal has most of the bears, and most tahoe people own and carry guns, especially on the Nevada side.
bears are all over the north coast, i.e. lake, napa, sonoma, mendocino counties.
Thing looked skinny and starving, did they really shoot it? Of course it would smell the fish.
Also Alaska boomers are all 200k wealthy homosexuals
Yeah that's an adolescent. Shooting a 1/2 year bear is b***h tier.
Just a warning shot.
It looks like they did. That's a juvenile bear, so there's both more and less risk. More risk because juveniles are curious and known to explore and test their limits. Less because it's just a cub, so those limits are far lower than a 1,500lb male.
The fact it came back at least once shows the curious nature and limit pushing. For all we know, it could have tried pushing its luck more and more over the course of an hour. Sometimes you gotta tell it to frick off.
This is a sincerely good example of when bear spray is both appropriate and effective.
Disregard, they fired a warning shot which clearly impacts the water on the right side. Good time to do so, I'm sure the receiving end of a short barrels 44/454 will give that cub adequate tinnitus.
Ruger super redhawk Alaskan in .454 casull
>black bear
Even a 9mm is fine, really. And you probably won't need it. They're terrified of people. Just scream at it and it'll run away unless you are trying to attack a sow's cubs. The males just want an easy meal and they'll frick off when you challenge them.
>brown bear
I wouldn't want anything less than .357 magnum, and that's marginal. You can make up for it with good shot placement and quick follow ups. Brown bear have been killed with a .22 so it'll do the job. But you might only get one good hit so you want it to count. .44 magnum would be better, or something even bigger. I would probably just take my Ruger GP100 because I already have one.
J frame
.44 magnum with a 4-6" barrel and heavy for caliber, hardcast bullets with a flat nose profile.