What kind of switch do I need to buy to cut the bike's positive wire and send it to the horn and blinkers, as some sort of manual alarm?
I also want the horn to go through the blinkers relay, what else do I have to buy?
What kind of switch do I need to buy to cut the bike's positive wire and send it to the horn and blinkers, as some sort of manual alarm?
Pls
Everytime I pick up an old bike with absolutely fricked wiring I'm left to look at it and think, "what the frick were you even trying to do?" but I know the question will never find its intended target.
I think now, for the first time I have made contact with somebody with both the distinct interest and astounding lack of aptitude to frick things up in ways I would think impossible had I not seen them first hand. So now I ask you directly, what the frick are you even trying to do?
If you want the the horn to beep with the turn signal for some moronic reason you can literally run a single wire from the repeater to the horn, but your first request is incomprehensible.
You're probably familiar with secret killswitches on cars. A simple on off button would do that but I want it to also be like an alarm (horn and blinkers).
...so I need a switch that could simultaneously cut the general positive wire (so the engine doesn't run) and send it to the blinkers and horn. And also not keep the horn connected to the blinkers while I'm riding (kek)
...but why?
Shit won't work unless you're there to press the secret switch, and if you have to be there to trigger the alarm then what's the fricking point of even having an alarm in the first place?
Stop trying to frick with the wiring. If you're that scared of thieves, just buy a long thick chain, a big ass padlock, and tie both wheels to a light post or some shit.
I'll flick the switch when I leave it parked. Have you really never heard of this anti theft thing. Then if they manage to flick the ignition on, it won't start and it'll be making noise unless they know where that switch is but it's hidden
>Stop trying to frick with the wiring. If you're that scared of thieves, just buy a long thick chain, a big ass padlock, and tie both wheels to a light post or some shit.
Alright dude thanks for nothing. I'll frick off PrepHole and figure it out by myself which I should have done from the beginning. Shouldn't be that hard
Do bikes have fuel pumps? Carbies probably don't.
Anyhow, if you got it, I'd secret switch the fuel pump.
>everyone ignores honking
>thiefs know about kill switches
>if the bike starts honking they know what to look for
>if it wont start, they might think it's just a piece of shit and move on
Do you think it's better to not engage any horn and blinkers and just make it look like the bike is just shit and doesn't run?
Someone actually answered my question but I don't understand it
I tool, have stared into the spaghetti of fricked up wiring wondering "why the frick would someone do this" and now I know.
Op was there too.
My (op) bike's wiring is severely patched and messed with, but it works, so idk if I can call it fricked
if it started out with a nice harness and now its a rats nest, then its fricked
It's not fricked if it works
One day I want to redo it with nice wires and tubes and connectors
No I won't my bike has a main fuse
if you cannot figure out a simple alarm switch then you shouldnt frick with it. you will irreversibly damage your bike.
Who said I can't. I haven't tried yet
>Who said I can't. I haven't tried yet
If you do what OP wants to do, your horn will beep when you signal a lane change.
So tell me what I have to do in order for it to only beep when the button is activated. Will I have to use one separate button for each thing?
I have some diodes at home, I used them to wire the blinkers to the panel kek
Yeah it has crossed my mind about using relay and using a separate blinker but I'm not sure which one to use. I could only figure it out of I bought both and played with them to see what they do.
>something he thinks is cool.
It's a legit concern over keeping my property
>It's a legit concern over keeping my property
If you can stop someone with a couple horn honks, they weren't really stealing your bike.
If you can stop someone with a couple chains and padlocks, they weren't really stealing your bike.
>If you can stop someone with a couple chains and padlocks, they weren't really stealing your bike.
This. Bolt cutters aren't difficult to find. A hammer can knock off a padlock. These things only keep honest people honest.
And it isn't the honest people you need to worry about.
The opportunity makes the thief. They want easy targets.
If the engine doesn't run so they can't ride it away, what will they do, push it down the street with the alarm ringing? Ohhhh wait, they can just turn the ignition back off. Now I know I need something that will keep the alarm ringing even if they turn the ignition off.
>thieves can't stand minor inconveniences
If you just want to stop joyriders from taking off with your bike, bolt something uncomfortable over the seat. Making your bike do a little beep beep just gets your horn wires cut.
Sounds like the first world is worse than Brazil
>Sounds like the first world is worse than Brazil
Cool. Cancel your plans to live up here.
My plan is to make a secret killswitch with an alarm.
That's incredibly stupid thing to say. If I wanted to I could very easily steal your car, let alone a bike. And no, I don't even have to start it or anything like that. Get it on the trailer, I'll either figure the rest out later. Granted, most thieves aren't equipped or smart enough but that's ops point. He locking out a huge section of thieves. (btw, that manual car meme that it's a thief deterent is extremely relevant, as manual I can tell the Zoomer helper to just throw it in neutral and drag that b***h on the trailer, can't do that so simply with auto)
No, perfect security doesn't exist. Yes, I can even brute force my way into your home. I hope one day you realize you're not the smartest guy that knows everything. As for what op wants to do, I can say it's 100% possible but it'd take me thinking to figure out and I'm not gonna do that. good luck op
Thanks, do you only know what kind of thing can do this, like a relay or what?
>Be turned on by the ignition but remain on if the ignition is switched off, and only turn off if I press the secret button
>Basically it would be fed directly off the battery, and the post-ignition positive would just trigger it
Honestly no, I only fix systems like it as I'm a mechanic, I don't design them. I could figure it out but I'm not going to as I'm drinking, and basically frick you too, I'm busy enough with my own shit.
I already said in the post you linked that I wont
>if I wanted to
Way to prove how moronic you can be. Especially saying all these things with such conviction while maintaining your childlike naivety. Nothing you have is 100% secure, it only has systems in place that make criminals target someone else.
>Yes, it is not difficult to make the horn honk every time the turn signal is used
That isn't what op stated he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure op isn't a native speaker yet he seems better with the language than you. Practice more English before acting so moronic.
>Honestly no, I only fix systems like it as I'm a mechanic, I don't design them
This is why you don't understand the consequences of his proposed actions. You don't know what you are talking about. This is why it is flying way over your head. You don't realize that he is planning a circuit that will do what I describe. The amount of switches or relays needed to not do what I describe and still use the same blinker relay far exceed the complexity, size, and cost of simply using another blinker relay in a separate circuit. In other words (my words):
>Basically, easier and actually effective solutions exist. Use some thought.
This is DIY, no reason to expect everyone to pitch in while OP puts in zero effort.
>Alright honestly mods gotta step in at this point. Trolling is for b/, go back. There's no way you're actually this stupid
You going to help or are you offering less than me? I at least pointed out the easiest way to keep the alarm going:
>The alarm could be kept on by wiring a relay to work as a motor control holding contact. Add a momentary push button to turn it off. Easy and cheap. Can also be bypassed by removing the battery for a millisecond. Whoops.
What did you do? You complained about my help while offering nothing. Maybe you should help him. If I get banned, I won't be able to. And yes, telling him about the unintended consequences of his plan is actually helping him. Maybe you can do better? *crickets chirping*
You're so frickin moronic it hurts. I do understand how it works I read schematics all day you stupid mother fricker. What you're missing is that op didn't plan a circuit for one, and two it's nowhere near as hard to do as you make it seem. The fact he didn't plan a circuit is the reason I ain't gonna do it for him
>I want it to go through
Does not equal
>I'm going to run it through
Go learn English you window licking fricking moron, and go back to b/ where trolling is actually funny
>it's nowhere near as hard to do as you make it seem
I didn't realize it seemed difficult to anyone. It's a very simple DC circuit based on a very simple concept and will have the unintended results I described. Is basic electronics supposed to stop working because you're unhappy with my posts? Seriously. Using the existing blinker relay for something else will have specific consequences. Mitigating them will require an absurd amount of circuitry that can be avoided by leaving the blinker relay alone. I don't understand how you are too dense to get this. If you want to help, please do. But coming here to accuse me of trolling is... well... trolling. You aren't helping. You are being off topic.
>Using the existing blinker relay
Still too moronic or youre trolling. That's not what op said. Go back to b/ with the other tards
>That's not what op said.
Scroll up.
>I also want the horn to go through the blinkers relay,
Again
>I would like to
Isn't equal to
>it has to
Learn English. But even in your skizo ideal, it could still be easily done with 2 switches instead of 1. One switch cuts power from relay to the horn, other is his original intent. Back to b with you.
>One switch cuts power from relay to the horn, other is his original intent. Back to b with you.
Care to better explain this circuit? What do you mean original intent?
Not to a moronic troll no I do not care. You're genius enough figure it out
>You're genius enough figure it out
I'm also able to realize you are over your head. He mentioned the alarm being tripped by the state of the ignition. While the signal going through the ignition is the same voltage as the horn, it lacks the ability to deliver the amperage required. Just throwing in two switches will not work.
Oh frick I totally forgot there isn't any way to use a small amount of electricity to trigger a larger amount of electricity, totally impossible and not something mentioned in our conversation at all. That's totally impossible. What an idiot I am!
Go back to b/
>Oh frick I totally forgot there isn't any way to use a small amount of electricity to trigger a larger amount of electricity, totally impossible and not something mentioned in our conversation at all.
Yes. That would be the first of the many relays I mentioned being needed.
>More like a bank of relays to run the horn through the blinkers but only when a switch is thrown. Which likely defeats the purpose of using the blinkers as a free timing circuit because a bank of relays isn't cheaper than a spare relay flasher circuit..
>bank of relays
Are you op trying to get me pissed off enough to show you how easy it would be? I'm not frickin doing it.
>I'm not frickin doing it.
>You aren't helping. You are being off topic.
moron I am helping. You're telling op alarm systems and killswitches are impossible. I'm telling him you're completely wrong, it is possible, they're even regularly used. Just having the fuel pump on its own switch is enough but then of course you say if a couple horn honks whatever they weren't trying to steal it. Go frick yourself btard
In4b he tells me bikes are carberated
>You're telling op alarm systems and killswitches are impossible.
Not impossible, but when you run the horn through the existing relay flasher circuit, there will be consequences. It would be cheaper easier and cleaner to get a second blinker relay as a dedicated timing relay for the alarm rather than try to join and separate those two different functions with more relays. Maybe if you read instead of troll you'll understand.
Ah, to the point I made, you're actually saying words that will help op now instead of telling him it's impossible. Let's have more of that on diy please. Take that other shit to b/yeah?
>Take that other shit to b/yeah?
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Terrible at that too I see. Better is
>don't go away mad. Just go away
Thanks for finally contributing anyway window licking moron.
>Thanks for finally contributing anyway window licking moron.
I'm the only contributor in this thread. All you did was complain.
A separate flasher circuit would likely require additional loading to behave properly. Turn signal lamps dissipate some heat, which is a fundamental part of the flasher circuit's bimetal thermal relay. Think like retrofitting LED lamps on your turn signals.
Diode anon here, really all we can do here is give general advice, for as long as you do not provide a schematic of your bike's electricals, or a make and model, should a wandering anon happen to be familiar with it.
thyristor
I explained already how to do that with a 2-pole relay. Feed the coil from ignition, through a push button. Then have your alarm fed from a NC pole, and also feed the coil from a NO pole (also from the ignition). When you tap the button, the pole for the alarm disconnects, and the pole for the relay self-feed engages, allowing you to let go of the button. This way you only need to momentarily hold the button while turning the key to disengage the alarm.
Since your alarm is NC and your self-feed is NO, you could get away with just an SPDT relay. Make sure to put a feedback diode on the relay's coil.
>If I wanted to I could very easily steal your car
Neato. But you won't.
>Yes, I can even brute force my way into your home.
You could. But you won't. Take away your keyboard and you will instantly become someone who makes better choices than that. Simple as.
>As for what op wants to do, I can say it's 100% possible
Yes, it is not difficult to make the horn honk every time the turn signal is used. Nobody is claiming he is going to have a difficult time with what he originally posted.
Instead of trying to have a conversation with me, have you considered helping OP or are you too dumb to do that? I suspect too dumb. Maybe that's why you are chiming in, you can relate to him.
To address his most recent addition:
>Ohhhh wait, they can just turn the ignition back off. Now I know I need something that will keep the alarm ringing even if they turn the ignition off.
The alarm could be kept on by wiring a relay to work as a motor control holding contact. Add a momentary push button to turn it off. Easy and cheap. Can also be bypassed by removing the battery for a millisecond. Whoops.
I once had a vehicle that didn't have an immobilizer, I frequently removed the rotor from the distributor. I came back to a mangled ignition, but I replaced the rotor and bypassed the ignition switch and drove off. The horn would have done nothing.
A coworker had a Kia. I showed him where the fuel pump relay was so he could remove that if he wanted to park in a colorful and diverse neighborhood.
Basically, easier and actually effective solutions exist. Use some thought.
>make the horn honk every time the turn signal is used.
AAAAAAAAAA I've already said that's not the point, you're a complete idiot. It's not my fault that you got it wrong at the original post, doesn't mean that my idea changed. Why the frick would I want the horn to sound while I'm using the blinker.
>Basically, easier and actually effective solutions exist. Use some thought.
Yeah I can just put a hidden on/off switch like most people do. But I want the alarm as a plus.
>you're a complete idiot. It's not my fault that you got it wrong at the original post
>I also want the horn to go through the blinkers relay,
Clear as day.
>cut the bike's positive
>as some sort of manual alarm
Yeah I'd totally think anon wanted his bike to shut off and beep the horn when he signals a turn.
>Yeah I'd totally think anon wanted his bike to shut off and beep the horn when he signals a turn.
So he didn't want the blinkers or horn to work when the engine is on? That's even dumber.
Alright honestly mods gotta step in at this point. Trolling is for b/, go back. There's no way you're actually this stupid
>So tell me what I have to do
see:
poetry
>I also want the horn to go through the blinkers relay,
This would be funny. You would only be able to honk your horn when you signal a turn. No turn signal? No horn.
You don't understand
>You don't understand
>I also want the horn to go through the blinkers relay
Clear as day.
I
Want
To
Make
A
Secret
Killswitch
That
Instead
Of
Just
Cutting
Contact
It
Sends
It
To
The
Blinkers
And
Horn
Like
An
Alarm
And
So
I
Want
The
Horn
To
Be
Connected
To
The
Blinkers
Relay
So
It
Repeats
Instead
Of
Sounding
Continuously
While
The
Alarm
Killswitch
Is
On
Let
OP
ask
for
what
he
wants
as
you
clearly
want
something
different
than
what
OP
described
maybe
instead
of
threadjacking
you
can
start
your
own
thread
Based OP waiting only a dozen posts before explaining what you actually want
idk man you sound pretty brazilian for wanting a manual alarm switch
Bottom line you can do what you want with a DPDT switch, you figure out the rest
>DPDT switch
cba to draw and figure it out but i think some diodes are needed as well
>i think some diodes are needed as well
More like a bank of relays to run the horn through the blinkers but only when a switch is thrown. Which likely defeats the purpose of using the blinkers as a free timing circuit because a bank of relays isn't cheaper than a spare relay flasher circuit.. Nor would it be any easier to conceal.
OP wants us to "diy it yourself" for him and he doesn't even want to bother thinking through what he wants it to do. We just have to give him an idiot proof schematic to make his bike do something he thinks is cool. Apparently we owe him.
diodes? put the wire strippers down moron, you couldnt be arsed to pick up an electronics book.
if the "killswitch" is to be independent from the other existing switches yes.
>diodes?
Yes, diodes have an use. Here is a common example, in cars. You have switches on every door, to turn the dome lamp on, but you want the chime to sound only on the driver door. Even if you used a relay, you would have to tie the switches together at the dome light. Instead, you tie the three passenger door switches together but you put a diode on the driver's door before trying it to the dome light. This way, when the dome light comes on because of a passenger door, it does not energize the driver's door switch circuit.
>Yes, diodes have an use
No shit captain obvious. Light emitting diodes are frequently found on modern cars. It doesn't get anyone closer to anything relevant to this thread.
The poster is talking about diode-or circuits, not LEDs you stupid fricking nutsack.
>The poster is talking about diode-or circuits, not LEDs you stupid fricking nutsack.
So connect the dots for us. How does his information help in this thread?
Well for one, if OP is thinking of hooking up his alarm to the turn signals and the horn, diodes would easily prevent the horn from randomly sounding just because he's turning left or right.
>diodes would easily prevent the horn from randomly sounding just because he's turning left or right.
What would stop the turn signals from lighting when the horn is used? Stopping the connection in only one direction still leaves problems. Put another diode to block both ways and the alarm won't work. This is why diodes aren't the answer.
>What would stop the turn signals from lighting when the horn is used?
That's not a big problem. Not like people go around honking at people a whole bunch and the lights going on when honking adds more attention to getting the dum ass you need to honk at the pay attention
Use two. Do I also need to explain to you how to breathe?
That's the spirit.
>Use two. Do I also need to explain to you how to breathe?
So both horn and alarm go to both unlabeled yellow x-man logos and one x-man logo goes to the other but not in reverse. So is the horn also turning on the lights or are the lights also turning on the horn in your drawing? The marvel comic symbols are unlabeled.
I see you have never read a schematic. The red highlight shows that this connection bridges the two signals "Alarm" and "Horn". The diodes prevent the signals from being bridged together.
>unlabeled
Does not matter.
>I see you have never read a schematic.
I see you have never made a schematic. The extra wire and diode changes nothing electrically. A single diode in the red horizontal line will do the same as both diodes if you delete the horizontal wire that is not red.
>moron
Ah, so one light goes on or both lights go on but no horn. How is this even related to anything?
What the frick are you talking about?
>I see you have never made a schematic.
I obviously made at least one. ITT.
>Ah, so one light goes on or both lights go on but no horn. How is this even related to anything?
I'm sorry you were dropped on your head as a child. Once you remove the red wire, running the horn will NOT backfeed the alarm signal. Thanks to what? The TWO (not one) diodes.
>Once you remove the red wire, running the horn will NOT backfeed the alarm signal. Thanks to what? The TWO (not one) diodes
Retrace the current. Your description does not match your schematic.
It's an example. I could have written A and B instead of Horn and Alarm. I'm not doing your homework. OP's solution obviously requires running a new circuit from the fuse box, yet I left that out of the picture.
>yet I left that out of the picture.
Also left out the integration of usable turn signals. Assuming the unlabeled lights are intended to be turn signals.
Horn turns on both lights and backfeeds the alarm, alarm turns on both lights and backfeeds the horn, the left light if back fed turns on both lights, the right if back fed only turns on one light. No idea what the diodes are expected to accomplish but you probably had fun drawing that circuit and that's what is important.
>Assuming the unlabeled lights are intended to be turn signals.
You know what they say about assuming. They're just outputs.
>You know what they say about assuming. They're just outputs.
so you drew a pretty picture with diodes to prove a circuit can indeed have diodes. I'm glad you had fun. Maybe make a new thread for this crap?
Are you being facetious? You're the absolute nincompoop who mistook diodes for LEDs. Yet, when presented with an obvious example of what you can achieve with diodes, you keep running your mouth off, asserting how much of an imbecile you are.
>who mistook diodes for LEDs
LEDs are a type of diode. Since someone wanted to randomly throw diodes at the problem like it was a novel concept, I pointed out the lighting circuit might already have diodes. The light emitting type.
Trace your current flow. This is really basic electronics shit. It's nice that you are showing how complicated a circuit can get when applying an unworkable solution, but it probably isn't helping OP.
Diodes are absolutely necessary if you have to connect two signals to the same output, unless you physically disconnect the two signals through different means (relay, DPDTs...). Don't know about you, but I, for having jerry rigged a number of old cars and trucks and the occasional farm equipment, would much rather solder a diode in-line and wrap it in shrink tubing than integrate an additional relay into the system.
OP wants to add an "Alarm" signal to his system. Alarm will engage the turn signals and the horn, and possibly other things eventually. Tying the Alarm signal directly to the horn and the turn signals will tie all three together, resulting in the horn switch also running both turn lights, and either turn light sounding the horn. Instead of designing around a bunch of relays and switches, OP can merge signals to an output by protecting against backfeed with ________.
I'll let you fill in the blanks.
OP mentioned having a few diodes on hand, he is obviously at the very least acquainted with them.
moron
Do not reply to op. He is a mentally ill brazilian HIV positive catfricker and will shit up your board if you continue to do so
????? What the frick. Get a life asap
I am the OP, fool
Is that this guy? Yeah don't engage with this ugly thirdie. He's shat up the guitar and motorcycle generals for 2+ years.
Guitar and motorcycle general? What board is that?
Are you the PrepHole gn125 poster from the daily bike threads? This sounds like something he would do
this is actually some basic electronics shit, and if you cant figure it out im not telling you because youll cause a fire
Not a switch. You will need one or multiple relays if you want some things to disconnect and other things to connect in one action. Also, you can feed a relay from its own contacts, so you can have your system disengage itself by simply pressing a button instead of a switch.
Lot of shit flinging going on in here. But I just wanted to say whoever said this little alarm show and kill switch act isn't going to stop some one from loading into a pickup or trailer made the best point. Nothing can stop that if they want the bike bad enough. Neat project other wise.
Also why not just wire up independent alarm lights and an independent horn for your flashy honk show? You're on your own on wire that to the ignition kill switch, id probably go the route of killing the fuel pump
you need one of these for a bike
https://www.grainger.com/product/SIEMENS-Safety-Switch-Fusible-6GNC8
OP, how's your solution coming along? Can you provide make and model of your bike? Maybe find a wiring diagram for it?
just to add to the diode-tribe (haha get it) you want to use schottky diodes specifically since they drop less voltage
bump so the moron is reminded about how moronic he is
youre in over your head dude