(Ruthenia was the name the rest of ancient Europe gave to ancient Ukraine. Felt a lot less derogatory than "hohol" which reeks of Russian diseased tissue).
How have they evolved?
What is your analysis of the Ruthenian way of war?
(Ruthenia was the name the rest of ancient Europe gave to ancient Ukraine. Felt a lot less derogatory than "hohol" which reeks of Russian diseased tissue).
How have they evolved?
Rutheria refers to Belarus and North Western part of Ukraine
Why not just say Ukrainian?
Been trying to find a new slang term for them besides fricking "Hohol", which is enemy slang.
Uki
I like "Crests." It sounds great in English but only the enemy uses it.
"Uki" sounds dumb, like a bishi anime love interest, but the masses consent on it. So I grudgingly use it as well.
Uki DOES sound stupid. It's lazy as hell. It sounds like bad Japanese.
Cossack? The Ukrainians consider themselves tied to that people.
>Cossack? The Ukrainians consider themselves tied to that people.
Most cossacks are ukrainian, not all cossacks are ukrainian and Ukrainian cossacks ain't the majority.
Besides some cossacks would rather be under the vatniks than being independent (looking at you Don Cossacks).
Although, Cossack Hetmanate or Ukrainian Hetmanate would be very cool names, just throw Hetmanate somewhere in the name.
Don was more or less just free land when cossacks were sent/moved in there
>the people kind of got used to using "Ukraina" in these past 500 years.
Not exactly 500. Ruthenia/Ruthenians (Pycь/Pycини, note that "Pycь" = "Rus", the "Rus" /"Ruthenia" distincrion exists only in English) was widely used up until around 19th century in the meaning "Ukraine"/"Ukrainians", but even now there is a small subnation in Ukraine (idk how to correctly call it) that calls themselves Ruthenian. The common explanation that russification and russian genocides couldn't reach all distant villages, so a tiny bit of non-russified pre-genocide Ukrainian village culture managed to survive
Crests? The machine translation of a Russian slur? This is NAFO tier cringe.
>serbs
Nah. Your German autism did you in.
I'd also attribute this to the Entente blocking the unification referendum after WWI
Call the Rus, as they are the founders of Rus, a combination of Eastern Europeans and Nords who came and founded the first real civilization there.
>But Rus is the Russians.
No. Russians are the people conquered by Rus. They are a subservient people, reliant on others, first in that they served as thralls, and later, once they began to be able to win victories through sheer weight of numbers, they were subservient on others for their culture, technology, achievements, etc. By Russian's own admission the greatest person in their was a Georgian. Their greatest woman a German, whose German line rules Rus for its modern history. Their modernization movements, each moment of their relative strength, stems from aping the West, a flurry of activity to copy.
Their pre-history is mostly the story of thralldom to passing Nords. Then, as their history truly begins, they were the thralls of the true Rus, Kievan Rus. Then they were a footstool for the Mongols, a yolked people. Then the Poles held sway over them. The Germans intellectually dominated their development in turn and they turned to a German ideology to organize their thoughts.
But through all these changes they have remained the same, a people bred for Asiatic despotism.
Thus, I propose a new convention:
Russians = Western Mongolians
Ukrainians = Rus
Ukraine should also announce a name change to "Kievan Rus," just for the many Russian nationalist heads that will explode.
Good job confusing the guy.
Jesus Christ, everyone just go read the article on Ukrainian history on wikipedia, it's 20 minutes, you ADHD zoomers
Ukes. Ukies if you're interested in baby talk.
>trying to get a new meme started so you can smuggly say you invented it in a year from now when people start complaining its a reddit word
Yooks
/k/eddit moment
Why not just say Ukrainian?
Because it simply mean "borderland" and people are getting aware of the implications
Borderland has a very ominous ring to it now. The one caught between the West and Russia.
"Ruth" (an obsolete word) by itself means "Friend". So I guess it could be viewed as "realm of friends" or something.
I.e it fits. We're allied with Ukraine, Ukraine is friendly with us, it's a nation full of our friends hence Ruthenia.
Majority of former Ruthenia is in Ukrainian land now.
>Ruthenia[a] is an exonym, originally used in Medieval Latin as one of several terms for Kievan Rus', the Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia and, after their collapse, for East Slavic and Eastern Orthodox regions of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Kingdom of Poland, corresponding to what is now Ukraine and Belarus.[1][2]
>During the early modern period, the term Ruthenia started to be mostly associated with the Ruthenian lands of the Polish Crown and the Cossack Hetmanate. Bohdan Khmelnytsky declared himself the ruler of the Ruthenian state to the Polish representative Adam Kysil in February 1649.[3] Grand Principality of Ruthenia was the project name of the Cossack Hetmanate integrated into the Polish–Lithuanian–Ruthenian Commonwealth.
>Lands inhabited by Ukrainians (Ruthenians) of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria (1772–1918), corresponding to parts of Western Ukraine, were referred to as Ruthenia by the Austrian officials. As of now, with Ukrainian national identity dominating over most parts of the former Ruthenia, the Slavic term ("Rusyns") is mostly used among a minority of peoples on the territory Carpathian Mountains in parts of Ukraine, Poland, and Slovakia; and those of the Carpathian Basin in Serbia, and Croatia.
I mean yeah if you're just a homosexual that repeats things he hears from Russian shills without questioning and doesn't know shit about the Ukrainian language
Okrainia means land on the border
Ukrainia means land within the border
But the proper title is "The Ukraine", not "Ukraine" by itself.
Frick off.
>The Russia
>The Rusland
>The Swampland
It IS the "The Ukraine", one of the very few countries with a "the" in it.
>It IS the "The Ukraine", one of the very few countries with a "the" in it.
In English, we use "the" if a country has a political title in its name, or if it refers a group of islands. There are also countries, such as the Netherlands, which people commonly attach the definite article to even though it does not follow the two rules above.
But the Ukrainians are NOT English.
Yeah, and neither Ukrainian nor Russian languages have articles, so this discussion is pointless unless talking about languages that have them.
Okay then Mr. Expert, what's the difference between Ukrainian and Russian?
Several minor but concrete spelling differences, few differences in alphabet, phonetical consistency and about 1/3 of lexicon.
to go from Bakhmut in ua to Artemovsk in ru implies a pretty big difference to me
okay now we know he's just pretending to be moronic
no one reply to this guy
Nah. I'm just running a fever of 100.4. It's "fun".
"Ukraine" is neither is a political title, nor is it an archipelago.
I suspect "the" is an anachronism from the soviet occupation, when there existed "Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic"
should have just kept calling it Holland tbh, maybe it would have stopped the moronicness of renaming countries - Myanmar, Cabo Verde, Turkye etc
The frick do I care what Russia should be called? How about I call Russia "Planet HIV"?
Except actual Ukies omit the "the"
>How about I call Russia "Planet HIV"?
Please do.
HIYV
Isn't that the capital of the 'Kraine?
>But the proper title is "The Ukraine"
are you a moron? English people say the Ukraine because cause the word is weird to pronounce on its own, its why people say the UK or the US
>Weird to pronounce
That sounds like a euphemism for "laziness", lol.
>weird to pronounce
The US and UK say “the Ukraine” because it was part of the Soviet Union for a long time and got used to it.
>The US and UK say “the Ukraine” because it was part of the Soviet Union for a long time and got used to it
No they don't and no they didn't. They use it because the original meaning of the word required an article, just like "The Netherlands". The article was dropped, because Ukrainians decided the article made it sound like less of a proper name of a country and delegitimized its independence.
>meanwhile, french
i am here to call you a moron!
Not sure if intentional but this is the best post in da thread
Wrong.
A real country should get its name from the people who inhabited it and shaped its culture. Also, what's the difference between your land being "on" or "within" the border?
>A real country should get its name from the people who inhabited it and shaped its culture
I agree, mr. nationalist. Yet the idea of nationstates and nationalism as a leading ideology for statehood only emerged like two hundred years ago and "should" doesn't mean much. Before that most countries were formed on the basis of "I ammassed the biggest army and conquered these places".
It's semantics.
"Ukraina" was used for the sparsely inhabited territories East of Kiev/Kyiv. As modern Ukraine lost significance after Mongol invasions and became subsumed into the Polish and Lithuanian states, it took on this name for the whole of it.
While Ukraine does have every right to use "Rus" or any variation to call itself, the people kind of got used to using "Ukraina" in these past 500 years. You're coming from a good place, but they've kind of fought several wars and insurgencies for this place they call Ukraine.
Why would it matter? The name of Austria is derived from Latin Marchia austriaca, Eastern Borderland.
In fairness, Austria was almost annexed into Nazi Germany, lol. "Borderland" seems cursed.
The Austrians wanted that though. Austrians are Germans. The only Reason they are separate today goes back to Bismarck wanting Prussian/Hohenzollern dominance over all of the smaller German states rather than the Habsburg. The Austrians didn't like this but really couldn't do anything about it because they controlled so much non-German land that they didn't want to gove up and that the other German states didn't want in a unified Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_question
dang we lost so much because of fricking serbs..
and austria in german, swedish, norwegian and danish is called east realm. literally
EAST
REALM
did they have no creativity?
Ah yes. Everyone understands everything.
>Because it simply mean "borderland"
It doesn't mean "borderland", it's a modern russian language interpretation of millennia old ethnonym, schizophrenic interpretation at that.
In actuality it means just something like "in_land", similar to how china calls itself "middle kingdom".
You could just vall them Ukrainians. As Ruthenia/Rus encomoassed most of the Eastern Slavs that later developed into Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians.
Anon wanted to flex his newfound knowledge from his latest wikipedia plunge
Ukies.
As other anons pointed out, that's also a Russian talking point.
1. Kraina in most Slavic languages means both a land/country and a border (makes sense, as countries are defined by their borders)
2. Who cares? France is called after a German tribe that conquered them, America is named after a Portuguese guy and the same Rus is named after a Swedish tribe.
This is a moronic "gotcha" and should be ignored
Only moronic countries are merely defined by a border
It's a very basic logic definition of something, "something is something until it is something else".
A country/a land is in a strict sense. People in the beginning of the first millenium or earlier in Eastern Europe didn't exactly base their territorial administration on ideas of nation states or ideologies.
Do you not see the connection and why the word would develop in this way?
>Only moronic countries are merely defined by a border
Yea, unlike Russia which is smart for having no borders
>no borders
>everything is yours xaxaxXAXA*~~)
until
>no borders
>nothing is yours
>Belgorod was never in your borders
Literally expanding cancer that will get excised.
I don't get the filename. This picture was taken in the US.
>Yea, unlike Russia which is smart for having no borders
What has borders given us? Russia is going to start over from scratch, that's what HIV2 is for.
>Anon wanted to flex his newfound knowledge from his latest wikipedia plunge
We've all been there.
Ukraine means “borderland”
So what moron?
you're thinking of belarus
Ukraine. The majority of former ancient Ruthenia is in Ukraine.
They are in their 7th round of consciption (since mid-dec...which will be their last, more or less, and just carry on to the end). Which is officially males age 16-65 (going further to ''any living male who looks the part--in the case of the conscription thugs that wander the streets serving and abducting men on the spot).
Round 5 was women--whom were age 21-45, childless, and previously served (fairly large pool, all told). Only place further to go now is ALL the women. A number of the currently serving women have been made into sniper-pair teams, that are...ahem...no longer taken prisoner...because they seem to have all been taught by the same instructors to do something a little messed up...which aiming for Russian and/or wagner soldiers' crotches and then let them bleed out....so, now theyre no longer taken prisoner....Also of note, commander of the whole UA army [general Zaluzhny] has many little female soldier GF's spread among the ntl guard...One was very public about it on social media, and the Uzbek volunteer unit (of the UA ntl guard) crossed paths with her, and ''took her prisoner to death'', as a message to UA command about its flushing of their army down the toilet while they live like kings.
You are a worthless moron
Frick off with your typical vodkaBlack person rumors and lies, you dumpster abortion.
Ziggers projecting as usual, I see.
Just 2 more rounds of conscription until everyone died at the front.
tbh would be nice if Ukraine could call itself Rus again, but even Rusyns got astroturfed by H*ngary and R*ssia
>(Ruthenia was the name the rest of ancient Europe gave to ancient Ukraine.
Don't talk about shit you don't understand, Amerikaner. Are Belarusians suddenly not Ruthenian too?
Why not call Ukrainians Prussians? Prussia itself doesn't exist anymore. The term is open for claiming right?
Seems fitting for a country that punches way about its weight class.
The fact the Ukrainians held on and secured their independence just proves yet again ragheads like Afghans are fricking moronic
Pretty sure only part of modern western Ukraine was Ruthenia and Ruthenia also extended into modern day Poland. On a sidenote Andy Warhol (Warhola)'s family were Ruthenians.
>this photo
Sooooo cooooool :), you went from rusty AK74s with a mismatch of uniforms to rusty AK74s with railz but with multi-cam and Chinese safety glasses but:
>still no optics
>still no hearing protection
>plate carriers have nothing in them but at least they look cool 🙂
>still Russian-tier comms
Inventing new slang is moronic when everyone has already defaulted to using "ukies". It's not as much of a matter of preference, as it is about being understood. You might as well start redefining the whole english vocabulary, good luck being understood. I don't like "ukies" very much either, but "Ruthenians" just sound try hard.
The first time ive seen ukie, I though people were mentioning UKstanians.
Another dumb word is ork that came out of nowhere. I joined tg few months into war and every normie used ork, while oldgays always had svinosobaka or just pidorashka. Felt wierd.
t. rusian aka from rus, not from selfrenamed Muscovy that stole history
>ancient Ukraine
cope and seethe vatBlack person
Yeah, it should be called Russia. Muscovite subhumans shouldn't be allowed to invoke the Rus in their nation state as they only came to power after bending over for the hordes while the actual Rus burned. Absolute scum of the earth and Muscovy needs to be nuked.
Trying to impart your own slang term for a people is such a low-charisma move.
Screw you for trying to use Ruthenia to describe Ukraine, OP.
I really expected anons to have found out some weird idiosyncrasies about the belarussian army to discuss.