What is Ukraine going to do about all the tungsten pellets left behind the by the himars?
Do they just leave them there til the end of time?
What is Ukraine going to do about all the tungsten pellets left behind the by the himars?
What is Ukraine going to do about all the tungsten pellets left behind the by the himars?
Do they just leave them there til the end of time?
yes tungsten is tasty
This could be a serious ecological disaster in waiting. Ukraine could have it's very own Chernobyl on their hands...
I don't think they're radioactive though
They are toxic tbf, about as bad as lead. But we don't see people crying about bullets in this war.
They really hurt, so those must be some real tough men to not cry about the biological hazards of bullets going through the human body at supersonic speeds
Id be more concerned by the biohazards spilled by the bullets going through russians at supersonic speeds.
>about as bad as lead.
Since when?
Since some redditor skimming a wikipedia article to justify his russia-simping confused heavy metal particulates' cancer effect in the body with macroscale environmental effects.
If you're not breathing tungsten powder or getting shredded by it the harm to you or the environment is nil. Tungsten is a green alternative to lead for bird hunters in the USA.
I don't care for Reddit or Russia anon. But that's a whole lot of words just to agree with me in the end.
He didn't agree with you though. A pile of lead bullets left in the ground will frick the groundwater, tungsten just sits there.
>They are toxic tbf, about as bad as lead.
Tungsten isn't toxic at all.
>Exposure to high levels of tungsten is unlikely.
Not on the Russian side of the front it isn't.
I don't think tungsten "pollution" is terribly bad ecologically but compared to everything else that's around a battlefield, it's positively benign. Explosives in general are pretty toxic and UXO leeching into the soil is far worse than a few pellets of tungsten lying around, not to mention all the discarded and/or burnt plastics and oil, fuel, lead and whatever else is strewn around modern battlefields from wrecked, burnt-out vehicles and tossed by soldiers who aren't exactly collecting the safety caps off RPGs for sorting into recycling.
Tungsten is right at the bottom of potential problems, come post-war clean up. Which will take generations to complete.
>it's real
bruh
Investigative journalism is dead.
Yeah, Putin doesn't like real journalists.
how do guys not know that headlines are not written by the guy who writes the article?
You don’t have to tell me. Got in a lot of fights about it back in the day. Once had an article edited without running it by me in such a way that it entirely changed the meaning of a whole passage. I didn’t take that one particularly well kek.
>The brutal attacks of 9/11 against the people of America could become this nations very own Pearl Habor
you have got to be shitting me
Nice
Tungsten shrapnel is truly the Chernobyl of Ukraine
(I know, people are thinking about DU not tungsten. Tungsten isn't radioactive, and isn't even particularly bad health wise as heavy metals go)
I dunno man. I just think Rolls-Royce is the Mercedes among the cars.
They're not wrong
>nuclear chernobyl
>water chernobyl
>ball bearing chernobyl
Ukrainians really can't catch a break
the zone is expanding
Maybe God is punishing them for a reason?
>Caused by Russians
>Caused by Russians
>Caused by presence of Russians
Christ, the Muscovites need to be removed pronto.
>capture chernobyl
>have a literal chernobyl on your hands
He's delusional, take him to the infirmary.
But tungsten is used instead of lead for sinkers and hunting ammo because it’s more environmentally friendly
It is but it isn't. Lead is almost immediately dangerous, Tungsten is once it starts having shards knocks off from things like water wear and abrasion
You've also just realised "eco" is mostly used as a buzzword to sell you shit, they never cared about the environment, they just wanted your money.
The fact that everything is still in plastic decades later even in first world nations is proof.
It's used in birdshot because it's ultra dense and doesn't deform, which massively increases penetration and range. Tungsten turkey loads are one of the best defensive shotgun loads because you still get a frickload of pellets but still have that 12ish inches of penetration within 10 yards.
good one lad
make the russhit slave race clean up
Non magnetic, so yeah pretty much.
No, scrappers will just collect as many as they can to sell. That's some pretty expensive metal.
They can 100% sell it to Kommandos. I'd pay decent money for genuine hinars tungsten shrapnel that'd been fired in anger.
>I'd pay decent money for genuine hinars tungsten shrapnel that'd been fired in anger
What would you pay if its collection was geopositioned to a known strike that killed a large number of mobiks?
Like someone went to a particular site and videod the clean-up, bagging individual pellets picked out of walls and vehicles, then bagging them with block-chain certified QR codes on tamper-proof seals so you could own a piece of that missile strike, complete with the drone video of it landing and news reports listing the casualty numbers.
Frick that'd be cool as shit. I have no idea what I'd pay. 500$ maybe? They'd be able to sell many bags per strike.
It's $1000 for a piece of a downed Russian Su-whatever
Then a small bag of geolocated tungsten balls would probably be a couple of hundred, depending on the amount, and probably on how good the drone video is
That recent one, where you see a Russian GRAD get smacked, followed by two rockets cooking off, would probably be worth more than some of the grainier, less documented himars usages.
The value increases the more credible additional context and images you include.
"Tungsten pellets from a HIMARS explosion near Kherson" has more value than "tungsten pellets".
"Tungsten Pellets from a HIMARS strike on the morning of 7 June 2023 recovered at GRID COORDINATE, target was mobliks in trench. Enclosed are stills and videos of the occupied trench and actual strike." I much more valuable.
And then enclose a Certificate of Authenticity, like those stupid pieces of the Berlin wall.
It's 2023, you can use a block chain to gaurantee authenticity, include a tamper-proof seal with a QR code for each item in the video of it being bagged on-site, that QR code goes to its first entry in the block-chain and then you can follow the transactions afterward.
You guys are thinking pretty small. I don't want a bag of scrap metal. I wanted a cleaned mobik skull. Something I can turn into a tasteful bowl and eat M&Ms out of while I rewatch war footage years down the road.
>*bing*bing* *bing*bing*bing*
> *winnerwinner* *chkndinner*
Tungsten is quite valuable. People will invent ways that we don't have yet to find and recover it. I imagine that metal detectors can be tuned in to find tungsten signals. Farmers and gypsies and entrepreneurs will harvest every scrap they can locate. It ain't quite gold, but .... it has serious value in many applications.
Ukraine should pass some legislation governing war-time salvage. If they don't tax or confiscate it as a natural resource for the benefit all of Ukraine, the very least they need to do is record all the statistics for volume and location and type (of everything) because that is all forensic evidence, regardless of market value.
The entire country is a crime scene.
Pro-Russian Indians and Westerners will be forcefully sent to Ukraine and tasked with removing them by hand. Biden and Zelensky agreed on this last week.
pick them up with a magnet obviously
Tungsten is only paramagnetic so picking them up with an electromagnet won’t work.
Anyone want to guess why tungsten is used? Come on class!
Its hard?
It's sponsored by this guy
Kek
It's dense and biologically nearly inert
I do not get it
It doesn't effect the environment
But its toxic to humans, what will it do in water supply?
Wtf no it's not I have a ring made of tungsten
Wiki says its toxic
Wiki at one point says I slept with Barack Obama and Hillary in a threesome. Do you see me bragging and citing wiki?
Wiki is normally good about having citations at the bottom of the article for every item of importance. It’s more reliable than almost anything else online.
A lot of times yes, but it's also worth checking out editor spergouts in the discussion section for some controversial topics.
thanks for reminding me of the M113 discussion on Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:M113_armored_personnel_carrier/Archive_1
>You are wrong. Anything that is tracked and armored is a tank. Wiki needs to be source for truth not further buzzword chaos directed by those who want the function of tanks to be reserved only for heavy behemoths that can only operate in firm, open terrain. There are light and medium tanks in addition to heavy tanks and they don't need a turret to qualify as a "tank". WW1 tanks did not have turrets. The Swedish "S" tank etc.
>24.214.146.99 20:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
>2007
oh my fricking god
This guy writes articles for Huffington Post about how male programmers make programming hard on purpose so women and minorities can't join the industry.
>I have accused Mr. Sparks of a number of things on my Anti-Gavin web page. Those accusations are all, to the best of my knowledge, 100% true and can be verified to anyone who wants additional details. My contact information is at the bottom of the page. Anyone who has ever dealt with Mr. Sparks, either through one of the many internet discussion boards he has been banned from or through personal communication needs no further proof.
what am i looking at?
One of the many reasons nobody takes Mike Sparks seriously
You can find more of this genius vehicles on combatreform.org. An absolute goldmine
Biden?
You probably have tungsten carbide ring, not tungsten metal.
Yeah it's toxic if you eat it. Do you usually eat chunks of metal?
It says its toxic on skin contact
Sure you're not looking at tungsten carbide?
Toxic if you're breathing flaming tungsten dust from a disintegrating long rod penetrator, slightly less dangerous than flaming depleted uranium dust. About the same danger as breathing flaming lead dust.
For centuries, Scandinavian and English people would uncover Stone Age projectile points and call them "elf-shot". Generations of Ukrainians will find these and whisper stories of Hymars the Vengeful, a mighty protector who sleeps in the Dnipro waiting for the chance to rise and spill more Russian blood, should they ever again dare invade.
This. We are living in an Age of Mythology that is yet to be told. The Tungsten God must be pleased.
>Generations of Ukrainians will find these and whisper stories of Hymars the Vengeful, a mighty protector who sleeps in the Dnipro waiting for the chance to rise
He sleeps in the Dnipro and strikes from the Earth but his eye is in the heavens and he sees all. It's tradition for Ukrainians in the wilderness to greet his eye as it passes overhead, they watch for it and say "Hi Mars".
noice
Even trash tungsten pellets are desirable to load into shotgun shells. Tungsten shells in .410 were hugely popular a few years ago. It is literally twice as good as lead.
There's a ball bearing shortage in Russia. The US is just delivering aid packages to them via Ukraine.
this but unironically. Laos is still trying to clean up unexploded munitions left behind by the US. And DC politicians with zero self awareness will sound the alarm about "chinese influence" in Laos when chinese companies are there cleaning up unexploded munitions left behind by the US.
>to your land
At least it gives a chance to take your land back.
Ukraine will need to scrub the first meter of soil at the minimum wherever there was fighting
In this thread we have so many caring Russians who can't keep worrying about Ukrainian people's health and are dying from overthinking the ways to prevent this ECOLOGICAL DISASTER.
Here is my two cents: how about you frick off back to your shithole?
I think you're on to something here, Anon. Based on the data, Russian presence in Ukraine does indeed seem to strongly correlate with major ecological disasters and other adverse events. Not a recent trend, either.
Tungsten pellet pie, obviously. You're supposed to eat it
No thanks. I'll stick to my tuna marinated in mercury.
Less of a concern then all the lead let alone UXO they're going to be dealing with for decades.
What if Russia collects these and uses them on Ukrainians?
It would be extremely painful
they're big guys
Same thing the US does with all the tungsten pellets left behind by waterfowl and turkey hunters.
would these loads work well on drones?
I was not aware that this existed.
Talk about environmental pollution.
>Depleted uranium buckshot
What the frick
>would these loads work well on drones?
I imagine they'd be pretty good, probably preferable to
Question would be what kind of choke to use on a drone at nade-drop altitude.
This is so fricking wasteful. By 2300 we're gonna run out of tungsten and hunters feel the need to have TSS ammo for their shotguns?!
Can't use lead shot for waterfowl because muh laws. Steel is okay but light and IIRC you usually go up to the next shot size to compensate. Bismuth is somewhat pricey. Tungsten is good but EIGHTY DOLLARS FOR FIVE ROUNDS. No, really.
https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/hevi-shot-hevi-18-tss-turkey-shotshells
Collecting tungsten balls will be a fun passtime for Ukie children for decades to come.
Seriously, though they are not really a concern, Tungsten isn't toxic.
Also poisoning your blood with democratic basketball Black person semen
It's Tungsten
heavy stone
Who gives a frick
Also kill all Russians
t. swede
russians will be forced to clean it up like germans with mines. Many russians will suffer, many will die. Nobody will care, not even them since all russians are worthless slaves.
When you till soil it falls to the bottom due to density and in a few years will be out of reach of most plants. Tungsten isn't very bio-available, a lot like lead, which just binds to soil and stays put. That's why drinking water wasn't utterly buttfricked by Tetraethyl lead, even though bazillions of tons of it was burned on US streets. It's all about 6 inches below the surface on the side of the road, most of which have been paved over in the last 50 years.
Grow tungsten trees.
Yes.
Metallic tungsten is basically inert in soil, so there's no serious reason to stage any effort to remove it.
yes they will do absolutely nothing - wolfram wires were used for hundred years in lightbulbs and nobody cared... its less radioactive than naturally occurring carbon(coal)...
Pick it up and sell it.
Nice recreational activity for kids.
Encouraging kids to scavenge battlefields full of UXO for cash tradable metals doesn't sound like the gold standard of parenting.
I could maybe see it happening in a dirt poor slavic country though.
they'll shit them out eventually.
If some ukie scrapper can reasonably collect them he could make bank. Also, the real environment problem are the mines. Not this shit
hah imagine getting a big rake and raking up all the tungsten pellets to melt down into homemade tungsten core penetrators hhaah
>Eastern Europe
>cleaning up ecological messes
That reminds me, does anyone remember that radiation spike in Saint Petersburg a few years back? I believe it was around 2019, there was a thread somewhere discussing it at the time. Don't think I heard anything more about it and nothing in the news, it seemed like it was worse than Chernobyl given the readings.
I will collect them all and sell them
lol, lmao, etc.
is this the real scene thats in COD?
I was getting wreaked in this part. layed the field in front with clays and fought many a machine gun battle in this bumper car area!
unleash teams of enthusiast collectors with metal detectors and they'll pick them all up within 2 weeks
>metal detectors
Anon...
What? Tungsten is a metal isn't it?
Are you trying to gaslight me?
TGungsten ois paramagnetic so it can be detected. But that anon might be hinting at the fact that for every pellet of tungsten, theres dozen of chunks of conventional sharpnel, shredded vehicle bits, random steel sheel casings and all other kinds of battlefield detritus
>Metal detectors can detect tungsten and tungsten carbide (a combination of tungsten and carbon). Despite being paramagnetic, tungsten has a high electrical conductivity. This property allows it to react to the electromagnetic field sent by a metal detector.
>But that anon might be hinting at the fact that for every pellet of tungsten, theres dozen of chunks of conventional sharpnel, shredded vehicle bits, random steel sheel casings and all other kinds of battlefield detritus
Pretty much, there's gonna be soooo much shit in the ground
Yeah but they're going to have to pick that up as well. No one's going to send a cleanup crew with specific instructions to leave everything except tungsten balls.
Gonna take longer than two weeks though
They can be recycled into more himars.
>Do they just leave them there til the end of time?
I'd have Ziggers collect them one by one with their mouths. Then again, I am but a centrist.