What is the strategical benefit of supplying ammo to your enemy?

What is the strategical benefit of supplying ammo to your enemy?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The faster you lose, the faster Kremlin will have to admit defeat.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    soviet ammo sucks, it may even malfunction and explode on location of launch

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the enemy use your ammo
    They look incompetent in the eyes of their allies

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They seriously want to use expired low quality shells that's likely gonna blow up in the barrel?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      if the shell works it blows up russian equipment
      if the shell fails it blows up a captured russian equipment

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What about the Ukrainian soldiers around it ?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          they use a very long rope

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Captured russian soldiers will fire the and load the shells.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Lcr3m3B.jpg

          They seriously want to use expired low quality shells that's likely gonna blow up in the barrel?

          what are you talking about

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      if the shell works it blows up russian equipment
      if the shell fails it blows up a captured russian equipment

      I'm a former artilleryman.
      I'd be surprised if it was so defective that it blew up in the barrel.
      U.S. fuzes don't activate until they've rotated a certain amount of times; my assumption is that the USSR did the same thing, since it's not exactly a complicated addition.
      Even our 40mm grenades have that feature.
      These rounds are usable for a VERY long time.
      I have used white bags of powder made for use in the Korean War to fire shells made for Vietnam.
      Both still worked just fine.
      If a round DID blow up in the barrel it would be catastrophic and would probably kill the entire crew.
      Tl;Dr: Ammo is fine.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If a round DID blow up in the barrel it would be catastrophic and would probably kill the entire crew.
        how would this actually happen?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I've only ever seen a round get stuck once and they caught it before they attempted to fire it.
          Basically, if the round gets stuck it's just like if a bullet were stuck in the barrel of a rifle.

          >If a round DID blow up in the barrel it would be catastrophic and would probably kill the entire crew.

          Fuck, so that pic of the Krab (or was Panzerhaubitze?) with the broken barrel - the crew most likely perished?

          There is a very good chance of that.
          With a mechanized vehicle, as long as they were buttoned up, they probably survived.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >With a mechanized vehicle, as long as they were buttoned up, they probably survived.
            Caveat to this: This assumes that the round DID not detonate.
            If the round detonated, it's ogre.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I've only ever seen a round get stuck once and they caught it before they attempted to fire it.
              Basically, if the round gets stuck it's just like if a bullet were stuck in the barrel of a rifle.
              [...]
              There is a very good chance of that.
              With a mechanized vehicle, as long as they were buttoned up, they probably survived.

              Crew is more likely to have survived than not, here is why.
              First of all two scenarios are possible: round exploded prematurely in barrel or barrel, as a result of wear and tear or bad production, broke in half.
              If round exploded in barrel crew would be FINE. remember of Abrams blowout panels. Energy of explosion ALWAYS goes to path of least resistance meaning there is breach block between crew and explosion. ALSO IF ROUND EXPLODED PREMATURELY IN BARREL, BARREL "PELLET" like in cartoons.
              Since there is piece of barrel and it looks like barrel was cut, it is more likely that pressure in barrel tore it apart and that craw is fine

              Also wouldn't fuse not have armed whilst round still in barrel?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I would hope not.
                Like I said, I've never actually seen it go all the way.
                The crew spotted it in time and after spending a good hour or so unloading it, we were all fine
                THEORETICALLY the fuze shouldn't be set because it hasn't rotated.
                This is also why the round is removed by pushing it back out the breech and not out the barrel.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >how would this actually happen?
          A couple of ways but it all circles around the crew or command fucking up.
          Debris in a barrel that causes a round to become stuck during a firing.
          This can be ice, mud, etc.
          The first round is going to go out anyway but now the barrel will have "ballooned out".
          The next round will "tumble" as it reaches the deformed part of the barrel.
          This will result in the barrel breaking off.
          If the barrel looks like a peeled banana then that means the round detonated.
          This is (marginally) less dangerous with mechanized vehicles, but something like a towed gun would probably see the crew killed.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've only ever seen a round get stuck once and they caught it before they attempted to fire it.
            Basically, if the round gets stuck it's just like if a bullet were stuck in the barrel of a rifle.
            [...]
            There is a very good chance of that.
            With a mechanized vehicle, as long as they were buttoned up, they probably survived.

            i suppose squibs are universal

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If a round DID blow up in the barrel it would be catastrophic and would probably kill the entire crew.

        Fuck, so that pic of the Krab (or was Panzerhaubitze?) with the broken barrel - the crew most likely perished?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Crew is more likely to have survived than not, here is why.
          First of all two scenarios are possible: round exploded prematurely in barrel or barrel, as a result of wear and tear or bad production, broke in half.
          If round exploded in barrel crew would be FINE. remember of Abrams blowout panels. Energy of explosion ALWAYS goes to path of least resistance meaning there is breach block between crew and explosion. ALSO IF ROUND EXPLODED PREMATURELY IN BARREL, BARREL "PELLET" like in cartoons.
          Since there is piece of barrel and it looks like barrel was cut, it is more likely that pressure in barrel tore it apart and that craw is fine

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The file size is too large but I did find a
            M109A6 "Paladin" self-propelled howitzer suffered a misfire near Najaf on March 27th 2003 and burns out of control until it was completely destroyed by ammunition cooking off.
            I was a gun bunny for 8 years and blowout panels were never once mentioned.
            I have no idea I'd the Paladin has those or if those are only on tanks.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I would hope not.
            Like I said, I've never actually seen it go all the way.
            The crew spotted it in time and after spending a good hour or so unloading it, we were all fine
            THEORETICALLY the fuze shouldn't be set because it hasn't rotated.
            This is also why the round is removed by pushing it back out the breech and not out the barrel.

            That looked like the barrel burst from wear rather than the round detonating. Crew survival would entirely depend on if the breech held and chances are it did.

            Good news then hopefully. Thanks muchly

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That looked like the barrel burst from wear rather than the round detonating. Crew survival would entirely depend on if the breech held and chances are it did.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mark my words, they somehow used these to blow up the bridge.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The faster you lose the war the faster you'll go back to grilling.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does someone have that retreeter meme?

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Should load it on to a truck and drive it ISIS style up to Russian checkpoints

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the strategical benefit of supplying ammo to your enemy?
    The benefits of this war are incredible. The stockpiles of munitions that Russia has lost can never be replaced by them. I'm not going to lie, its lovely seeing Russia cease to be a conventional military threat.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yup. All of the Soviet Unions free military legacy hardware willbe gone. Its beautiful.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Emperor Palpatine. Russia is using this war to justify a war time government and economy.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is sorta unrelated but the thread topic made me think.
    Would it be feasible and practical to intentionally leave behind sabotaged/very-low-quality ammunition during a retreat?
    Is it worth the effort and material?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hispanicy ammunition hiding amongst soviet ammunition has been done before

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        do you have some examples of when it's been done?
        The concept is stuck in my head now.

        • 2 months ago
          Yukari

          Project Eldest Son
          spiked ammunition, even just ammo that has used a maximum quantity of powder that is far too fast for the cartridge in use, is very dangerous
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            youre giving retreating russians too much credit. they cant even feed and clothe their soldiers

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >
          American forces did it in the Philippine Wars. Read "Jungle Patrol" by Vic Hurley, a great book. Perhaps the first book where COIN tactics were described. The book was out of print for decades and it sold for hundreds of bucks during that time because so many US officers in Vietnam and Iraq wanted to read it for helpful ideas.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The retard Putin is turning the AFU in the best supplied AF of all europe.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not the first time, sounds like the war with finland too.

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *